LIVE: Joy Villa answers questions about her Scientology defection Tony Ortega May 28, 2025

[The_Fixer]

Her husband had the money.

I wonder if he has any left after all that?

 

[Type4_PTS]

I wonder if he has any left after all that?

From what she said in one of her videos, I got the impression that he paid a lot of money to the Co$ for both of them, including to the IAS. But he gave very little money directly to her.

 

[Hatshepsut]

From what she said in one of her videos, I got the impression that he paid a lot of money to the Co$ for both of them, including to the IAS. But he gave very little money directly to her.

I got that impression also. Maybe he made some huge donation during prosperous years and then was pressed to get those services delivered. When Joy was told to go eat something, it's probably his dig on models starving before a fashion show, and being moody. I don't envy her position.

 

[Lee #28]

Well, I guess that is one more marriage / family down the tubes, unless the husband left also.

 

[Karakorum]

From what she said in one of her videos, I got the impression that he paid a lot of money to the Co$ for both of them, including to the IAS. But he gave very little money directly to her.

Wouldn't surprise me at all. I've seen waelthy scientologists of both sexes do exactly that to their spouses, children and other 'loved' ones.

 

[Karakorum]

Well, I guess that is one more marriage / family down the tubes, unless the husband left also.

I was under impression that they were separated for quite some time now.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Well, I guess that is one more marriage / family down the tubes, unless the husband left also.

She divorced him years ago and is remarried.

I believe she said her ex is still in.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Wouldn't surprise me at all. I've seen waelthy scientologists of both sexes do exactly that to their spouses, children and other 'loved' ones.

Back when they were married, she did some work for one of his companies. He didn't pay her for the work.

 

[Type4_PTS]

I've not watched any of this, but here's another video from Joy Villa:

You’re Not Crazy—Encouragement for Scientology/Cult Survivors

 

[Karakorum]

She divorced him years ago and is remarried.

I believe she said her ex is still in.

Thanks for confirming that my often faulty memory was right on this one!

 

[Type4_PTS]

Aaron interviewed Joy Villa earlier today.

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[Type4_PTS]

Aaron interviewed Joy Villa earlier today.

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OK, I watched this video, and here are some of the subjects covered:

The beginning was somewhat humorous because Aaron was the one who trolled the shit out of Joy when she was in. She tried blocking him on X, but it kept coming up for her because others were reposting it.

Joy mentioned how Scientologists are going to the ship, doing their preps for OT 9 and 10. Aaron said he had friends doing preps for those levels 15 years ago! Sea Org members believe that Miscavige is already OT 10.

Grant Cardone intends to run for political office (Governor of California) and would like to eventually become the first Scientologist President.

Joy did 12-13 intensives of FPRD!

An old lady at the AO who was sec-checking her was asking very detailed questions about masturbation. ("Did you come?")

Joy was word-cleared on the Pain & Sex HCOB about 25 times.

Something that wasn't discussed, but just mentioned in passing, her Class 9 auditor at CC INT wore glasses.

Joy lived at CC with her ex-husband for about 6 years (at the rate of $7000/month). She lived in the room that Kirstie Alley designed back in the 1990s.

Joy described in great detail the incident where she got smacked on the butt at a political event and the aftermath where she was kicked out of Flag when the story went viral. I posted below a news story about the incident (from Inside Edition), but she goes into much more detail in the interview with Aaron. Corey Lewandowski, the man who smacked her (twice) was drunk at the time and was married with six kids. He was a former campaign manager for Trump (who was also at the event with Melania).

Joy spent time in South Africa and said Scientology is doing great there. South Africans are much more receptive to it, and the government has given the OK for it to be used in schools.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

Joy spent time in South Africa and said Scientology is doing great there. South Africans are much more receptive to it, and the government has given the OK for it to be used in schools.

i don't get the impression the CoS itself is recruiting or expanding. they have just had success with 'safepointing' type operations among the Black population, i think because they are offering free stuff from VM jackets to educational materials to a population that is receptive to the novelty of getting anything at all from white people.

i believe this was at the end of a weekend VM training, something they offer to all comers in an approach very different from what we're used to in other countries:

it was a different and in some ways less impressive crowd at the recent opening of an 'ideal' org there:

 

[I M Dex]

Something that wasn't discussed, but just mentioned in passing, her Class 9 auditor at CC INT wore glasses.

Just to clarify, in the Scientology training hierarchy, "class VIIII auditor" is a numerical misnomer, as it describes a class IV auditor who is then trained to deliver "NOT'S" auditing. It doesn't require training in the class V, VI, VII or VIII levels. It was created to provide available auditors to accommodate customers for "NED for OT's" ("NOTS"), the newest and highly promoted cash cow service, back around 1978. I'm pretty sure the "class VIIII" designation was assigned for marketing purposes, making under-informed Scientologists think they were getting super-highly trained auditors for their money.
(Edit) To say that I have copyrighted and thus retain all rights to the phrase "numerical misnomer", which I'd like to suggest would be a good name for a band.

 

[Type4_PTS]

i don't get the impression the CoS itself is recruiting or expanding. they have just had success with 'safepointing' type operations among the Black population, i think because they are offering free stuff from VM jackets to educational materials to a population that is receptive to the novelty of getting anything at all from white people.

i believe this was at the end of a weekend VM training, something they offer to all comers in an approach very different from what we're used to in other countries:

it was a different and in some ways less impressive crowd at the recent opening of an 'ideal' org there:

If you start at around the 1 hour and 28 hour mark of the video that's where she's talking about how Scientology is doing well in S. Africa.

She was there for about a year and worked as the PES (head of the public divisions) in one of the orgs there. She said they do things in S. Africa they don't do anywhere else, bribing the people with food and bus tokens.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

If you start at around the 1 hour and 28 hour mark of the video that's where she's talking about how Scientology is doing well in S. Africa.

She was there for about a year and worked as the PES (head of the public divisions) in one of the orgs there. She said they do things in S. Africa they don't do anywhere else, bribing the people with food and bus tokens.

thanks - i'd forgotten that i hadn't finished watching the video with Tony until the end -- but i'm still not finding that there, or in the video with Natalie either.

that still seems to me like finding ways to 'safepoint' the poor 'wogs' in SA --maybe involving more of them but similar to say what they do with the cops in LA and slush funds -- but not meaningful 'expansion' of scn itself, which like here may well actually be dying at out as the long-term core membership reaches the end of their lives.

and the use in schools, if they're not overblowing it like they typically do, is the sort of thing effort that could collapse almost instantaneously if their real nature and intent is exposed. wasn't there Columbia, where at one point they'd made some headway with that sort of stuff, that experienced a typical boom and bust cycle?

 

[Type4_PTS]

thanks - i'd forgotten that i hadn't finished watching the video with Tony until the end -- but i'm still not finding that there, or in the video with Natalie either.

OK, sorry! This was the video I was referring to in which she talks about S Africa. It's an interview she did with Aaron.

Start at around the 1 hour and 28 minutes mark for how the orgs are doing there.

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[Type4_PTS]

that still seems to me like finding ways to 'safepoint' the poor 'wogs' in SA --maybe involving more of them but similar to say what they do with the cops in LA and slush funds -- but not meaningful 'expansion' of scn itself, which like here may well actually be dying at out as the long-term core membership reaches the end of their lives.

and the use in schools, if they're not overblowing it like they typically do, is the sort of thing effort that could collapse almost instantaneously if their real nature and intent is exposed. wasn't there Columbia, where at one point they'd made some headway with that sort of stuff, that experienced a typical boom and bust cycle?

I get the impression that she meant meaningful expansion of scn and not just safe pointing. But if you contact her, maybe she can give more specific data about the stats in the orgs. She gave her email address out as [email protected] (alternatively, if you catch her live when Aaron does part 2 of interviewing her, you can ask her a question, as she'll be answering some. They'll give priority to the questions asked via superchat, where you pay to have your comment highlighted during the live video)

I don't recall what year she was in South Africa, so I don't know how old her observations are. She probably has Scientologists there; she can contact them now, even though she publicly left. She said her inbox is blowing up from Scientologists contacting her, some of whom are UTR and needing help to get out.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

I don't recall what year she was in South Africa, so I don't know how old her observations are.

i remember her being there 2-3 years ago -- after her divorce. i figured at the time that she'd been lured into spending her divorce settlement on 'advanced' training at Kalami Castle -- which has appeared to be getting a lot of business due to somehow being able to offer low prices, maybe due to exchange rates and/or long-term accomodations being cheaper than at Flag or other AOs. everything i've ever seen about the local orgs in SA is that they're not doing well in terms of actual IAS members taking 'services', especially after some sort of schism in the wake of the Debbie Cook letter that cost them quite a few long-term members.

 

[The_Fixer]

Scientology doing well in South Africa? Not too surprising, since it is the land of crime and corruption these days. Seems like it was designed to slot right into those kind of places.