The Danny Masterson Trial thread

[Type4_PTS]

I tend to think, when he settled for the $400k, he had been read the riot act by the MAA and told to make amends. Everybody thought the flap was handled. It was, for all practical purposes, until the Jane Does found out they weren't the only ones. When they found out he wasn't getting ethics handling - it all came apart at the seams.

It begs the question, why didn't he pay each of them off? Nip it in the bud?

I don't know that Masterson was read the riot act. From all I've heard he was handled per the Scientology "scriptures" on Ethics, specifically on Ethics Protection.

Celebrities who are a source of positive PR for Scientology aren't treated the same as the rest of the members. Reading between the lines of what Masterson's stepfather said in recent interviews, those types of policies contributed to getting Masterson in the situation he's in because the celebrity center enabled him to keep doing what he was doing as a serial rapist. He kept up doing what he was doing without facing any real justice actions from law enforcement or within the CoS.

If a non-celebrity who wasn't donating very large sums to the CoS or performing 100 hours/week of slave labor for them had raped an aspiring actress the "church" cared about they might have been arrested so fast their head would spin. As a Scientologist, it's important to only commit violent crimes only against other members who possess much lower status than yourself.

 

[mimsey borogrove]

I don't know that Masterson was read the riot act. From all I've heard he was handled per the Scientology "scriptures" on Ethics, specifically on Ethics Protection.

Celebrities who are a source of positive PR for Scientology aren't treated the same as the rest of the members. Reading between the lines of what Masterson's stepfather said in recent interviews, those types of policies contributed to getting Masterson in the situation he's in because the celebrity center enabled him to keep doing what he was doing as a serial rapist. He kept up doing what he was doing without facing any real justice actions from law enforcement or within the CoS.

If a non-celebrity who wasn't donating very large sums to the CoS or performing 100 hours/week of slave labor for them had raped an aspiring actress the "church" cared about they might have been arrested so fast their head would spin. As a Scientologist, it's important to only commit violent crimes only against other members who possess much lower status than yourself.

The payout was arranged at CC in coordination with the chaplin, whose 2d is the MAA. It stands to reason he was told to pay her and make the problem go away. Where they screwed up, was not reaching out to the others and paying them off as well. I guess their Super Power Consequences Rundown was unflat to not see that coming. It's the same thing - him not opting for a plea bargain. Admit guilt to a lesser offence and go for a few years, with possible time off for good behavior, or risk life in the slammer? Where was his head at? That's a no brainer.

Mimsey

 

[Type4_PTS]

The payout was arranged at CC in coordination with the chaplin, whose 2d is the MAA. It stands to reason he was told to pay her and make the problem go away. Where they screwed up, was not reaching out to the others and paying them off as well. I guess their Super Power Consequences Rundown was unflat to not see that coming. It's the same thing - him not opting for a plea bargain. Admit guilt to a lesser offence and go for a few years, with possible time off for good behavior, or risk life in the slammer? Where was his head at? That's a no brainer.

He may have been told to pay her but it benefited him as well as the CoS. The alternative would have been to deal with the consequences of the rape victim going to the police and making a report. So he would have had to pay an attorney instead of paying her. Maybe not as much, but he risked getting convicted back then and going to prison and having his career destroyed. I imagine it would have been an easy choice.

 

[Lee #28]

My understanding....arrived at from one of Aaron's recent videos....is that the COS and D. Miscavige and (others?) are going to be Criminally charged with Obstruction of Justice....and other charges.

So, that means to me that Danny Masterson is VERY much needed by the COS to keep his mouth shut about everything....

Weather SO or not....Staff or not.....Danny is some what central to knowledge about this possible Charge and Trial.....

That means to me that Danny Masterson does have enormous leverage over the COS....and could throw them under the bus.....

Either way....Danny's current Conviction is not a part of the above.....and weather he helps the police or not in this situation will have no bearing of his current conviction or time served in Prison.... The two are not related that way...

 

[TheSneakster]

My understanding....arrived at from one of Aaron's recent videos....is that the COS and D. Miscavige and (others?) are going to be Criminally charged with Obstruction of Justice....and other charges.

You are simply parroting Aaron Smith-Levin's speculations that Masterson might "throw Scientology under the bus" on a mere whim.

There is, in fact, a Grand Jury investigating C of $ (and David Miscavige) Obstruction of Justice charges related to the Danny Masterson rape trial. Also, there is the civil case against C of $ over alleged extra-legal retaliation against the rape case victims.

Aaron offers no substantive evidence that criminal charges are imminent from the Grand Jury. He can have no such knowledge because the proceedings are conducted in secret. Disclosing the proceedings of a Grand Jury while it is convened is a criminal misdemeanor in California.

Also, having zero involvement with Masterson and this case, Aaron has zero knowledge of any facts that weren't already revealed at trial which Masterson could possibly use to accomplish throwing C of $ "under the bus". If Aaron actually had such factual knowledge, he should have made the prosecution aware of it and been called to testify.

 

[mimsey borogrove]

You are simply parroting Aaron Smith-Levin's speculations that Masterson might "throw Scientology under the bus" on a mere whim.

There is, in fact, a Grand Jury investigating C of $ (and David Miscavige) Obstruction of Justice charges related to the Danny Masterson rape trial. Also, there is the civil case against C of $ over alleged extra-legal retaliation against the rape case victims.

Aaron offers no substantive evidence that criminal charges are imminent from the Grand Jury. He can have no such knowledge because the proceedings are conducted in secret. Disclosing the proceedings of a Grand Jury while it is convened is a criminal misdemeanor in California.

Also, having zero involvement with Masterson and this case, Aaron has zero knowledge of any facts that weren't already revealed at trial which Masterson could possibly use to accomplish throwing C of $ "under the bus". If Aaron actually had such factual knowledge, he should have made the prosecution aware of it and been called to testify.

Maybe. I doubt there's much Danny can do to lessen his vaca in the slammer, unless he has some serious chips to cash in with the DA. I guess we'll know Aug 4 if he has cut a deal, and the DA recommends reduced sentencing. The civil suit has no pull with the DA, but the grand jury?
Hummm.

On second thought -if he's really concerned about sitting in stirr for many moons, I think he'd rat the church out in a hot NY minute. Fuck them - they threw him under the bus. He'd see it as their fault.

Mimsey

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I would be good money that Masterson does have the capability to throw Scientology under the bus. If Scientology obstructed justice in any of the cases involving Masterson or engaged in criminal activity when following its Fair Game scriptures, and Masterson is aware of any of this, that could be very bad for Scientology if CoS did anything to piss Masterson off. There is a grand jury proceeding that I believe would be very interested in what Masterson has witnessed along these lines.

I'm sure that Miscavige is doing all he can though to ensure Masterson lacks the motivation to throw Scientology under the bus. Miscavige will spend tens of millions of dollars or whatever it takes to ensure Masterson doesn't turn against the CoS.

The timing is very sensitive for Masterson to leverage any opportunity that "throwing Scn. under the bus" may afford him. Because he has a rather formidable question to answer:

DO I GO ALL IN ON THE UNCONFRONTABLY HIGH STAKES
BET THAT MY APPEAL WILL BE SUCCESSFUL AND OVERTURN
THE GUILTY VERDICT AND PERHAPS RESULT IN ANOTHER TRIAL?

OR....

DO I TAKE A SAFER BET THAT HAS JUST A FRACTIONAL
VALUE TO ME, SUCH AS MAYBE GETTING MY 30-LIFE SENTENCE
IF THE DA BELIEVES THAT MY TESTIMONY VS THE CULT IS EXTREMELY
VALUABLE TO THEM AND THEY ARE WILLING TO BARGAIN.​

The hour glass is running out of sand if Masterson wants to try to play the "fuck scientology" card.

If Masterson bets the house on his appeal, it would be incredibly unlikely that later (after the civil trial) his testimony vs. Scientology would be of any value or even relevant. The DA doesn't need him after that.

There is a perfectly parallel case if anyone likes such true-life crime stories. I won't detail it here but if you start watching the videos and documentaries you may get hooked very badly because this epic tragedy has EVERYTHING you can possibly imagine from hit men to evil rich people escaping justice and story twists and turns that are better than a great suspense movie. HERE IS A LINK TO GOOGLE SEARCH--JUMP IN ANYWHERE.

The reason i alluded to that story is because there is one pivotal character that is now in prison for life because she bet everything that she would win her trial--and lost. And she could have made a deal with the DA (before that) and turned witness against the murderous sociopathic family that hired her to recruit the murderers (gang members). But once she
ruined her credibility by pleading innocent...it wrecked her value later on to testify against the people were really guilty.

Sorry it sounds so complicated. The point is that Masterson has to use his short window of time if he wants to try to make a deal for possible sentence reduction. Once that window is gone, why would the DA make a deal with him, they don't need him any more and he's already in prison.

Whoa, this post is one of the worst explanations I have ever written. LOL LOL LOL

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[Lee #28]

The timing is very sensitive for Masterson to leverage any opportunity that "throwing Scn. under the bus" may afford him. Because he has a rather formidable question to answer:

DO I GO ALL IN ON THE UNCONFRONTABLY HIGH STAKES
BET THAT MY APPEAL WILL BE SUCCESSFUL AND OVERTURN
THE GUILTY VERDICT AND PERHAPS RESULT IN ANOTHER TRIAL?

OR....

DO I TAKE A SAFER BET THAT HAS JUST A FRACTIONAL
VALUE TO ME, SUCH AS MAYBE GETTING MY 30-LIFE SENTENCE
IF THE DA BELIEVES THAT MY TESTIMONY VS THE CULT IS EXTREMELY
VALUABLE TO THEM AND THEY ARE WILLING TO BARGAIN.​

The hour glass is running out of sand if Masterson wants to try to play the "fuck scientology" card.

If Masterson bets the house on his appeal, it would be incredibly unlikely that later (after the civil trial) his testimony vs. Scientology would be of any value or even relevant. The DA doesn't need him after that.

There is a perfectly parallel case if anyone likes such true-life crime stories. I won't detail it here but if you start watching the videos and documentaries you may get hooked very badly because this epic tragedy has EVERYTHING you can possibly imagine from hit men to evil rich people escaping justice and story twists and turns that are better than a great suspense movie. HERE IS A LINK TO GOOGLE SEARCH--JUMP IN ANYWHERE.

The reason i alluded to that story is because there is one pivotal character that is now in prison for life because she bet everything that she would win her trial--and lost. And she could have made a deal with the DA (before that) and turned witness against the murderous sociopathic family that hired her to recruit the murderers (gang members). But once she
ruined her credibility by pleading innocent...it wrecked her value later on to testify against the people were really guilty.

Sorry it sounds so complicated. The point is that Masterson has to use his short window of time if he wants to try to make a deal for possible sentence reduction. Once that window is gone, why would the DA make a deal with him, they don't need him any more and he's already in prison.

Whoa, this post is one of the worst explanations I have ever written. LOL LOL LOL

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HH, don't start coping my disjointed style..... I'd miss your professional style...

Well......I think the time for DAnny Masterson to "deal" or plea bargain has passed.

He has been convicted.....and there are State Guidelines to his Sentence length....which is 30 to Life?

His Appeal.....I don't know.

 

[Lee #28]

Will NOI take Danny Masterson into their group...providing protection from prison population?

 

[Reyne Mayer]

Maybe. I doubt there's much Danny can do to lessen his vaca in the slammer, unless he has some serious chips to cash in with the DA.

If Masterson bets the house on his appeal, it would be incredibly unlikely that later (after the civil trial) his testimony vs. Scientology would be of any value or even relevant. The DA doesn't need him after that.

His Appeal.....I don't know.

i am expecting he will be having his attorneys make quite the case about why he should be let out while his appeal proceeds. i would assume that's not very likely given that the judge already decided he should go straight to jail, though maybe an appeals court itself might reverse that and order him released while things ran their course -- but i don't know how likely that is, either.

it will also be interesting to see if he can put on another big money litigate-everything appeal, or if his resources and those footing the bill are not up for another 7-figure round. thinking about it, it seems to me like it would be a win for DM to fund a successful appeal, that could then be used to claim that productive high status members are being persecuted wrongfully in the low level wog justice system -- further justification even, for the CC's having protected people and continuing to do so.

 

[Type4_PTS]

The timing is very sensitive for Masterson to leverage any opportunity that "throwing Scn. under the bus" may afford him. Because he has a rather formidable question to answer:

DO I GO ALL IN ON THE UNCONFRONTABLY HIGH STAKES
BET THAT MY APPEAL WILL BE SUCCESSFUL AND OVERTURN
THE GUILTY VERDICT AND PERHAPS RESULT IN ANOTHER TRIAL?

OR....

DO I TAKE A SAFER BET THAT HAS JUST A FRACTIONAL
VALUE TO ME, SUCH AS MAYBE GETTING MY 30-LIFE SENTENCE
IF THE DA BELIEVES THAT MY TESTIMONY VS THE CULT IS EXTREMELY
VALUABLE TO THEM AND THEY ARE WILLING TO BARGAIN.​

The hour glass is running out of sand if Masterson wants to try to play the "fuck scientology" card.

If Masterson bets the house on his appeal, it would be incredibly unlikely that later (after the civil trial) his testimony vs. Scientology would be of any value or even relevant. The DA doesn't need him after that.

There is a perfectly parallel case if anyone likes such true-life crime stories. I won't detail it here but if you start watching the videos and documentaries you may get hooked very badly because this epic tragedy has EVERYTHING you can possibly imagine from hit men to evil rich people escaping justice and story twists and turns that are better than a great suspense movie. HERE IS A LINK TO GOOGLE SEARCH--JUMP IN ANYWHERE.

The reason i alluded to that story is because there is one pivotal character that is now in prison for life because she bet everything that she would win her trial--and lost. And she could have made a deal with the DA (before that) and turned witness against the murderous sociopathic family that hired her to recruit the murderers (gang members). But once she
ruined her credibility by pleading innocent...it wrecked her value later on to testify against the people were really guilty.

Sorry it sounds so complicated. The point is that Masterson has to use his short window of time if he wants to try to make a deal for possible sentence reduction. Once that window is gone, why would the DA make a deal with him, they don't need him any more and he's already in prison.

Whoa, this post is one of the worst explanations I have ever written. LOL LOL LOL

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If Masterson has any valuable information to the grand jury proceeding it is possible that Miscavige would provide financial help to him and his family if Masterson agreed to STFU. Miscavige could pay attorney fees for any appeal of the criminal conviction and for anything else as needed.

If Masterson needs money but Miscavige is unwilling to deal then he is limited in what he could do to make money while sitting in prison.
But he could always write a book and will have lots of time to do so. A possible title: "IF I Did it"

 

[Type4_PTS]

If Masterson has any valuable information to the grand jury proceeding it is possible that Miscavige would provide financial help to him and his family if Masterson agreed to STFU. Miscavige could pay attorney fees for any appeal of the criminal conviction and for anything else as needed.

If Masterson needs money but Miscavige is unwilling to deal then he is limited in what he could do to make money while sitting in prison.
But he could always write a book and will have lots of time to do so. A possible title: "IF I Did it"

There are probably other books he could write that Miscavige would pay good money to buy the rights of. Miscavige would probably pay for Masterson's book on how Scientology protected him from law enforcement during the time he was a serial rapist.

 

[Lee #28]

^^^^^

I don't think one is allowed to profit from a crime. .... ( as far as writing a book about his crimes...and getting paid for that.)

Convicted May 31.......today is Danny's 11th night in jail.

I really can't imagine how he must feel..... Totally going out of his mind?

Contemplating 30 years in Prison.... Rage? IF he was told it will all turn out OK....then betrayal....?

I think he would do anything to alter that future. ( as far as turning on Scientology if that would help him in anyway....)

He will be in jail until Aug 4th for Sentencing.....then directly to prison.

 

[Type4_PTS]

I really can't imagine how he must fee..... Totally going out of his mind?

Contemplating 30 years in Prison....

I think he would do anything to alter that future. ( as far as turning on Scientology if that would help him in anyway....)

If he were to turn on Scientology, either in the civil case or by testifying in the grand jury proceeding, I wonder if the judge is allowed to take that into consideration during sentencing.

Each of his charges call for 15 years to life if I recall correctly. Maybe she can make those run concurrently?

 

[Lee #28]

Who could they call?
A) they cross examined each to the witnesses to try and poke holes in their testimony.
B) let's say they called Claire's father in law to portray her as an apostate. What testimony could he bring forth that wouldn't highlight the Scientology problem, which Cohen was trying to play down?
C) what could Danny say on his behalf - they consented? For example, the Jane Doe he drugged and raped in Canada. She was married, was there with her daughter and husband. At what point could he feasibly say he had her permission? She had no idea who he was until seeing him in the movie - it wasn't as if she fell for his star power and boinked him.

Lee, let's assume you were the lead council in Danny's defence - who would you call? The CC President's son? Would he lie for Danny and say Yep, he asked her, I heard her say Hey Danny, let's knock it out? Would he come across as believable? Who else could you call? Jason Schwartz? IJC? Would they stand up under cross examination?

Cohen had an unenviable task - to fight over table scraps, when the main meal was cooked and ready. He and Holly did the best they could. They didn't have a ringer in the jury as in the first trial. The judge made sure of that.

The next big question - will they retry the hung decision on the remaining Jane Doe?

If I were her and I had any say in the matter, since he's slammer bound, I'd pass. I'd want to move on with my life.

I'd like to know who you'd call if you were calling the shots.

Mimsey

I know several of you guys have made posts about my post....regarding not putting up any defense....

Here is my reply.... But no need to get into a discussion about it....

IF Danny knew that he had zero witnesses that he could put on the Stand to refute the rape charges....then why did he and his wife....and friends ....and COS expect him to win the Case....? Why was it a shock...?

And if he knew that he wasn't going to win the Case.....then why didn't he flee the Country?

How could he think he would win?

Once the Drugging information was allowed into testimony in the second Trial.....he should have been on a plane.

He must have been overly duped by his Lawyers....and COS.......?

Or just egotistical......in his rightness?

 

[Lee #28]

Took my post down.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I know several of you guys have made posts about my post....regarding not putting up any defense....

Here is my reply.... But no need to get into a discussion about it....

IF Danny knew that he had zero witnesses that he could put on the Stand to refute the rape charges....then why did he and his wife....and friends ....and COS expect him to win the Case....? Why was it a shock...?

And if he knew that he wasn't going to win the Case.....then why didn't he flee the Country?

How could he think he would win?

Once the Drugging information was allowed into testimony in the second Trial.....he should have been on a plane.

He must have been overly duped by his Lawyers....and COS.......?

Or just egotistical......in his rightness?

The key factor in a criminal case is that the defendant doesn't have to prove anything. They enter the case and the courtroom "with the presumption of innocence". The "burden" is on the prosecution to PROVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that he committed the crimes.

You saw in the first trial that the jury hung. That demonstrates that he doesn't have to testify or call witnesses in order to prevail. If the jury gets hung enough times the prosecution can decide the case is unwinnable and not try him again.

Calling witnesses to testify that they DID NOT see him rape anyone is of no value to the defense, unless the eyewitnesses were literally in the room with Masterson at all times that they were with the rape victim. That is an impossibility.

All the defense has to do is stir up enough DOUBT to avoid a guilty verdict. They don't have to show evidence of his innocence---but only to make jurors start to have any reasonable doubt about the prosecution's case.

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[I M Dex]

I know several of you guys have made posts about my post....regarding not putting up any defense....

Here is my reply.... But no need to get into a discussion about it....

IF Danny knew that he had zero witnesses that he could put on the Stand to refute the rape charges....then why did he and his wife....and friends ....and COS expect him to win the Case....? Why was it a shock...?

And if he knew that he wasn't going to win the Case.....then why didn't he flee the Country?

How could he think he would win?

Once the Drugging information was allowed into testimony in the second Trial.....he should have been on a plane.

He must have been overly duped by his Lawyers....and COS.......?

Or just egotistical......in his rightness?

Maybe his expectations, if you buy that he wasn't shaking like a leaf on the inside, were based on Miscavige's assurances, along with his massive arrogance, the fact of managing to have a hung jury first time around and having gotten away with so much within the domain of Scientology, and having never been convicted of a serious crime and imprisoned before, total unreality about the possibility. But don't be so sure that he wasn't shaking like a leaf on the inside. He was. His sense of being within a protective cocoon was increasingly feeling the cracks in that comfort zone.

 

[Reyne Mayer]

IF Danny knew that he had zero witnesses that he could put on the Stand to refute the rape charges....then why did he and his wife....and friends ....and COS expect him to win the Case....? Why was it a shock...?

my guess for Danny, as is typical of rapists, is that he didn't think he really did anything wrong -- nothing that other men don't do, or wish they were 'strong island types' who could -- and that the jury would agree, and even high five him on the way out afterwards for having been a real man and gotten his, just like some of those he hung around with at the time must have.

there's reason to believe that others in his family may be twisted enough to have that sort of viewpoint -- or if not, to at least think that he had little chance of being convicted for a crime that most perpetrators get away with and is hard to prosecute, particularly after the first hung jury with more than one dissenter.

 

[Lee #28]

Just for FYI