The Scientologirl Independent Scientology YouTube channel associated with the Advanced Organization of the Great Plains

[HelluvaHoax!]

I remember this one time someone said that, well, what I was being assured about was not true. Oh, I can remember other times as well. Oh, wait a minute, it's actually not a good thing here. I don't know if anyone else's experience has been with someone that's assuring you. It is a crapshoot at best. Factually, I dive more deeply when I am being assured. Just me. Maybe you too.

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There may be several other little possible "tells" in the same category as "I can assure you":

"I wouldn't lie to you because I wrote the Way To Happiness which says to not lie."​

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"You can believe me, because I am mankind's greatest friend!"​

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"Relax, it's totally safe to trust a war hero, doctor & nuclear scientist!"​

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[HelluvaHoax!]

Uh, what about criminals?

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"I can assure you" that the criminals are the blown Scientologists who are critical of Ron's tech.

It's those damn NCG Apostates! I can assure you that they need to handle their overts! LOL

Well now that you are assured, can I interest you in a special we are running today to buy
100% Total Freedom at at 50% Total Discount?!

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[Veda]

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Uh, what about criminals?

Is there is a procedure used to determine if someone is a criminal? Does it include interrogation, and final adjudication?

That's not the purpose of ESMBR, as far as I know.

I would simply like to have a place where people, who still like parts of Scientology, can come and communicate, and (sometimes reluctantly) learn some things.

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An old poem:

Grow

RAISE the hopeless man
that he may beg

RAISE the beggar
that he may steal

RAISE the thief
that he may fight in daylight

RAISE the rowdy
that he may share

RAISE the worker
that he may create

RAISE the artist
that he may free

RAISE the master
by ourselves being masters​

And here's what your guru, for decades, had to say about criminals:

 

[Scientologirl]

Actually it was no secret about the 40k, I assumed everyone knew. I had my opinion on Ortega long before this story. He didn't actually do anything particularly offensive in this story. When he talks about cancer patients and suicides, that's what I have issues with. That defines who he is to me.

 

[ISNOINews]

Scientologirl at the Independent Scientology Advanced Organization of the Great Plains (AOGP) has a new video.

SCIENTOLOGY DISCONNECTION AND SUPPRESSION EXPLANATION BY INDEPENDENT SCIENTOLOGIST GIRL!

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[HelluvaHoax!]

Scientologirl at the Independent Scientology Advanced Organization of the Great Plains (AOGP) has a new video. SCIENTOLOGY DISCONNECTION AND SUPPRESSION EXPLANATION BY INDEPENDENT SCIENTOLOGIST GIRL!

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Here's a "REPORT CARD" on the new video celebrating & promoting disconnection.

SPEAKER'S TOTAL CERTAINTY: A-minus (Bronze medal winner, with the silver and gold going to Minister Miscavige and Dr. Hubbard) ​

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SPEAKER'S KNOWLEDGE ABOUT MENTAL ILLNESS: F-minus (speaker learned all these therapeutic psychological methodologies from a severely mentally ill con man who became stark raving mad and committed suicide). ​

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ARTICULATION OF IDEAS: D (motormouth delivery of words was like trying to catch a taxi, when all the cabs are whizzing by at 176 miles per hour)​

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PRODUCTION & GRAPHIC VALUES: B-minus (would have been higher, but hard to enjoy the "serene" graphics while the narrator is frantically trying to set a GUINNESS WORLD RECORD in speed talking)​

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MESSAGE VALUE: D-minus (narrowly missed getting an "F" because it mentioned a useful concept of "toxic" people. But then quickly wrecked that by noting that the reason she is promoting "Indie Scientology" is because there are so many toxic people called "SPs" in the Church of Scientology. Inspiring to learn that the people who are the experts on Scientology mental health tech cannot control their own mental illness and evil, LOL!)​

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[Veda]

Scientologirl at the Independent Scientology Advanced Organization of the Great Plains (AOGP) has a new video.

SCIENTOLOGY DISCONNECTION AND SUPPRESSION EXPLANATION BY INDEPENDENT SCIENTOLOGIST GIRL!

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Is anyone saying that that someone should not separate from a bad person or a bad environment? I don't think so. However, Scientology's "Disconnection" is tainted. And that taint begins with its origins.

The seeds of Disconnection can be found in the book, Science of Survival, from 1951.

Link to the Origins of Scientology Disconnection. Scroll down to second post which features an excerpt from Science of Survival, and its correspondences with Aleister Crowley's Book of the Law, and also Crowley's Commentary on The Book of The Law. (Note: Hubbard made numerous references to Crowley throughout the Philadelphia Doctorate Course lectures of 1952, and also cited The Book of the Law.)

Proceeding chronologically, to further appreciate the tainted nature of Scientology's labeling of another as an "SP," and its practice of Disconnection from an "SP," it's useful to examine what has been called the "blueprint" for the the Scientology movement.

Link to the the "blueprint." Scroll down past unsolicited advice section.

This is one of many applicable, and disturbing, excerpts from that "blueprint," with word substitutions to show correspondences:

"Entirely by bringing about a public conviction that the sanity of a person is in question, it is possible to discount and eradicate all the goals and activities of that person. It is important to know that the entire subject of loyalty is thus as easily handled as it is. One of the foremost missions of the psychopolitician ['Ethics' Officer/Scientology] is to make an attack upon communism [Scientology] and insanity synonymous."

Scientologirl says, "It's not the tech that's evil but the people whose hands it's in."

This tells me that Scientologirl's study of "the tech" is incomplete.

To clarify, Hubbard's instructions on what to do, and how to do it, comprise the "tech" of Scientology.

One problem can be found in the definition of a Suppressive Person that is presented: "A Suppressive Person is one who suppresses, has 12 specific traits and/or is antagonistic to Scientology and Scientologists."

Scientology is more complicated - and devious - than Scientologirl realizes.

This is of some concern as Scientologirl is about to commence her processing on the confidential parts of the Grade Chart, where the contents of her mind and space will, authoritatively, be told to her from the materials; plus the materials, if they are complete, will assure her that, if she watches her e-meter, the movement of the needle across the dial, will remove all doubt.

People can argue about whether or not this qualifies as being classified with the (slang) term "brainwashing," but it most certainly is a violation of the spirit of the Auditors Code, and it does resemble what is called "implanting."

It does not lead to the state of "Operating Thetan," or anything close to it, so any justification for subjecting oneself to the Hubbard fun-house mirror maze is gone.

Hopefully, Scientologirl will realize that she's already experienced the best parts of Scientology, and "just say no thanks" to taking up residence inside L. Ron Hubbard head.

"OK, so I thought I was the reincarnation of Cecil Rhodes and went to Rhodesia to retrieve my buried loot,
but they kicked me out, and I went nuts, and became the Commodore,
discovered a super engram that explained why I failed,
and started the Sea Org,
but that's no reason why you shouldn't live under my hat."

Hubbard when he thought he was Cecil Rhodes.​

 

[freethinker]

Uh... This is, after all, the Freezone, Indy, and other flavors of Scientology section of the Message Board.

So, while spirited debate is good, and challenges are good, there is also a certain tolerance implied.

It's a balance.

I, for one, am not trying to drive "Indy" people away.

After all, many of us were once them.

It's still advertising something that no one has ever proven has worked. Indy is supposed to be the big correction program that fixes abominations of Hubbards work and strives to further it, fix the alteratrions and claims it can get results because of this.

The truth is you are a bunch of broke bastards who were trained in Scientology and really have no other skills so you sell the idea that Hubbrd's tech was perverted and that you can get results because you left the bullshit and gathered the truth.

There comes a time where you have to put up or shut up. Where are you at? can you get the results that the origianl grade chart says can be achieved or are you just trying to make a living at something you truly know is a hoax?

 

[Bill]

Scientologirl at the Independent Scientology Advanced Organization of the Great Plains (AOGP) has a new video.

SCIENTOLOGY DISCONNECTION AND SUPPRESSION EXPLANATION BY INDEPENDENT SCIENTOLOGIST GIRL!

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Who says "Wow I really like that 'shunning' thing and that 'excommunication' thing! We should do that! Only harder! Such a great idea!"

 

[freethinker]

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"I can assure you" that the criminals are the blown Scientologists who are critical of Ron's tech.

It's those damn NCG Apostates! I can assure you that they need to handle their overts! LOL

Well now that you are assured, can I interest you in a special we are running today to buy
100% Total Freedom at at 50% Total Discount?!

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You're such a whore.

 

[freethinker]

Is there is a procedure used to determine if someone is a criminal? Does it include interrogation, and final adjudication?

That's not the purpose of ESMBR, as far as I know.

I would simply like to have a place where people, who still like parts of Scientology, can come and communicate, and (sometimes reluctantly) learn some things.

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An old poem:

Grow

RAISE the hopeless man
that he may beg

RAISE the beggar
that he may steal

RAISE the thief
that he may fight in daylight

RAISE the rowdy
that he may share

RAISE the worker
that he may create

RAISE the artist
that he may free

RAISE the master
by ourselves being masters​

And here's what your guru, for decades, had to say about criminals:

No one here really has a problem with you promoting Scienetolgy refilted and aged, but you really need to lighten up if you want a captive audience.

If you are fighting against peoiple violating the sanctitiy of Scientology technology then you don't believe it yourself. You don't have to defrend truth, but you may have to take down lies that oppose it. What truths have been opposed as regards Scientology?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Who says "Wow I really like that 'shunning' thing and that 'excommunication' thing! We should do that! Only harder! Such a great idea!"

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LOL!

Well, if you can mock up really high-toned sounding sentences, while you are promoting craven sociopathic behavior, everybody wins!

Hi grandma! My mom just did an ethics cycle on me and guess
what?! You turned out to be my SP. So my mom said I should
call and disconnect from you because by nattering about Ron's
standard tech you are trying to sabotage my eternity and all
mankind on this planet. So anyways, I'm already feeling super
uptone now that I don't have to ever see you or talk to you
again. And if you try to come visit us, we are going to call the
cops and get a restraining order on your DB ass. Bye Grandma!

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[Veda]

Freethinker,

You are misunderstanding what I've been doing, and what I've been saying.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Freethinker,

You are misunderstanding what I've been doing, and what I've been saying.

I think it's very clear what you are doing. You are trying to monitor and censor people expressing their disagreements with Scientology. You have a different opinion how they should speak to indies. And you have valiantly been trying for years to convince ex-Scn debunkers and cynics to spin their opinions with more innocuous-sounding rhetoric--so that the Indies don't key in, get triggered or feel "enturbulated".

I don't know your motivations but you seem very concerned that the adult Indies cannot have adult conversations with non-believers without harming them somehow.

Is that about right?

You have often been quite concerned, for example, about me posting things that too "harshly" disagreed with Indie Scientologists.

For my money, not expressing strong disagreement is how I (and everyone else) got trapped inside the cult.

Nobody is stopping you from expressing your opinions, I really have no idea why you feel you have to monitor and control other adults who are perfectly able to speak for themselves.



ps: I don't really mind you expressing your opinions but when you get onto a crusade to censor how others express their opinions, it can get pretty annoying. LOL. But, no big deal, I never once ever considered putting you on ignore, because 98% of what you post is terrific.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I am not at all sure why you posted that video.

But I think it was Pavarotti's final moments of the aria "Nessun Dorma" from a famous Puccini opera. It translates roughly to "nobody shall sleep". It's a story where everyone in a village is required to stay away all night in order to prevent a certain event from happening.

Perhaps that theme (forcing people to stay awake) is a very well fitted allegory for what happens when an INDIE scientologist starts selling Dr. Ron's snake oil. The "bitter defrocked apostates", whistleblowers and cynics sound the alarms--keeping everyone awake. It can be a messy affair to call out Hubbard's lies, especially when they are delivered in a sparkly, sugar-coated outer layer.

But that was the core mistake that all Scientologists made. Not unceremoniously calling bullshit and demanding proof for all those countless magical beliefs. Sure it might seem "harsh" (the word you often cite) but it is not even close to being as harsh as reality--when a person following Hubbard's ludicrously failed technology later has the walls of their life cave in on them.

 

[Zertel]

The Indies groups claim they don't practice the harsher parts of scn and are easy going, come and go as you wish. To what extent they push that you have a "case" you need to handle to gain super powerz who knows. Probably a lot but participants have the internet to investigate what they're getting into like everybody else.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

The Indies groups claim they don't practice the harsher parts of scn and are easy going, come and go as you wish. To what extent they push that you have a "case" you need to handle to gain super powerz who knows. Probably a lot but participants have the internet to investigate what they're getting into like everybody else.

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Can anyone imagine having a business where the entire world of prospective customers are only ONE CLICK AWAY from Googling "SCIENTOLOLGY" or "L. RON HUBBARD" on the internet---and discovering in a few seconds that it is an avariciously cruel hoax with victims and whistleblowers strewn all over "this planet"?

With another CLICK, would-be marks find out that Hubbard's victims were indoctrinated with ludicrously cringey sci-fi ghost stories about "a fellah named XENU".

WIth yet another CLICK any interested client would find out that not only do 98% of Scientologists end up blowing because the tech didn't work, but that the ones who were slow to figure the con game out ended up losing upwards of $600,000 and decades in chasing ridiculous magical powers, Clear and OT---all of which there is zero evidence of over the past 71 years.

Imagine that! Your scam is fully debunked, yet you have the Sisyphean task of trying to promote it on the internet as if everything is really just fine.

And imagine that you have to go on the internet and bravely attempt to create an illusion that Scientology is really an awesome thing where everyone wins and everyone loves---and do all that without laughing.

The life of a Scientologist and an Indie Scientologist is quite mad and impossible. This could account for why they try to solve it by continuously lying and grinning and ignoring the thing that "wogs" call facts.


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[Veda]

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Can anyone imagine having a business where the entire world of prospective customers are only ONE CLICK AWAY from Googling "SCIENT OLOLGY" or "L. RON HUBBARD" on the internet---and discovering in a few seconds that it is an avariciously cruel hoax with victims and whistleblowers strewn all over "this planet"?

With another CLICK, would be marks find out that Hubbard's victims were indoctrinated with ludicrously cringey sci-fi ghost stories about "a fellah named XENU".

WIth yet another CLICK any interested client would find out that not only do 98% of Scientologists end up blowing because the tech didn't work, but that the ones who were slow to figure the con game out ended up losing upwards of $600,000 and decades in chasing ridiculous magical powers, Clear and OT---all of which there is zero evidence over the past 71 years.

Imagine that! Your scam is fully debunked, yet you have the Sisyphean task of trying to promote it on the internet as if everything is really just fine.

And imagine that you have get on the internet and create an illusion that Scientology is really an awesome thing that everyone wins at and everyone loves---and do all that without laughing.

The life of a Scientologist and an Indie Scientologist is quite mad and impossible. This could account for why they try to solve it by continuously lying and grinning.


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During what years were you a member of Scientology inc.? If you don't mind be asking.

Were you a member in the 1960s when there were numerous magazine articles exposing Scientology. All but a small number of vulnerable people recognized Scientology as a manipulative cult.

In the early 1970s numerous books appeared, exposing it further.

I quietly began backing away after Hubbard's May 1977 LSD Zombie Bulletin, and then the 1978 Dianetic Clear frenzy when I could no longer deny to myself that most Scientologists were under Hubbard's hypnotic influence.

In 1978 I started reading the works of Alesiter Crowley, and there was no turning back. I knew too much.

Were you still a Scientology member then?

During the late 1970s the Scientology's spying and dirty tricks activities were exposed, by court order, and there were many newspaper articles. Mary Sue took the rap for her husband was sent to federal prison.

Were you still a member then?

You don't have to answer, but you might ponder it.

These days are not so different. A person meets a Scientologist who he likes and the Scientologist creates a positive impression.

News stories, including - these days -on the Internet, are discounted as unreliable.

If you were a Scientologist, and ignored the archives available in libraries, and the magazines, and books, then you did the same thing.

Be as tolerant with others as you have been with yourself.

 

[Riddick]

look guys, scientologygirl has made a few vids on her you tube channel. She's a COS staff member or maybe a indie, or make believe, if you look at the latest you tube, only a few hundred views, LOL.

But if you view this you tube, it's done by the COS, or maybe a indie group, to persuade (rhetoric), LOL, to anybody that happens to chance land on it while researching. You can nowadays view things like this as letters out, since the internet is free, just send millions of letters out and maybe some will stick. LOL

 

[I told you I was trouble]

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Be as tolerant with others as you have been with yourself.

@Veda ... I would never have used the word 'tolerant' because it drips with condescension ... but in general people here are very caring and understanding of and towards run of the mill scientologists.

Guru wannabes and stat crazed cult peddlers are in a totally different category and the leaflet writer is one of those.

So, you can stop trying to repair a situation that we all know has never existed.

Was that clear enough for you???