Scientologirl
Ex independent Scientologist
I see...
New book by LJ Kemsley, Co-Exec. Dir. of the Independent Scientology Advanced Organization of the Great Plains -- Why You Keep Failing and How To Stop
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Veda
Well-known member
if you can provide policies to these I'd be more than happy to read it over, minus anything that may be confidential upper level materials.
Real (as In Real Life) Scientology operates on Policy, but also operates on Hubbard's other instructions, including his voluminous Advices.
There is a policy letter that will tell you about what Hubbard called the "tight conspiracy" model of Scientology, and the advantages of such. It's titled The Responsibility of Leaders.
Hubbard told rank-and-file Scientologists that there was "no hidden data line." That was false. There are Hubbard instructions that override Policy Letters, and Policy Letters that are confidential and not in the Green (OEC) Volumes. Yet Scientologist were told "It's all in the Green volumes."
Do you believe that Standing Order No. 1, that "All mail addressed to me shall be received by me," of 1964, was true? This Standing Order was displayed prominently, including in books. Scientologists were encouraged to write to Ron. Do you think he read and answered every letter?
Do you see the silliness in being naive about this subject?
It's not necessary to reject everything. This is about being realistic.
There will still be plenty of Scientology remaining once the child-like naivete disappears. There will even be some Scientology remaining after the mind-manipulation disappears.
That said, you're about to begin the confidential levels where you'll be running Hubbard's "case," not your own. You'll be expected to adopt Hubbard's "case," and to be the effect of the various head-games he plays (through the materials), probably starting with the Clearing Course booklet that you'll probably be reading in preparation for OT 2.
You've already done the best parts of Scientology.
The part you are about to begin, now, does not lead to actual OT. These days, pretty much everyone realizes that. After over a half a century, the cat's out of the bag.
At one time, Hubbard told people that the OT levels led to OT. He was stringing people along.
Now we know better.
There no reason to hand over your mind to Scientology or suspend your judgement. or intuition, if something doesn't seem right.
Here's Leonard Cohen in the Scientology Academy in the Martinique Hotel in mid town Manhattan, circa 1969. He did the best part of Scientology, then left, and went on to explore other subjects such as Zen Buddhism.
Harold#1
A VERY STABLE SUPER GENIUS!!
What is your opinion of LRH taking his third child, Alexis, with his second wife, Sara, from her, and then taking the child to Cuba, then calling Sara and telling her he cut their child into pieces and threw them in a river?
(LRH famously claimed he never had a second wife)
Scientologirl
Ex independent Scientologist
Look. I don't care for third party stuff. Give me policies he actually wrote and I'll read it.
HelluvaHoax!
Well-known member
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Look. If you are aspiring to be a self-help book writer, you had better care what the source of your technology did in real life.
By admitting you "don't care for third party stuff" you inadvertently revealed that you don't care for facts. And people who spend their hard earned money on self-help books care ONLY about facts!
By negating the importance of facts at this early stage in your hoped-for writing career, you are arrogantly alienating the very people you expect to look to you for truth. The very people you expect to give you money for your book. If you "don't care" for your prospective customers, I can assure you that they don't care about your book content & your book revenues either.
Honestly, about 50% of the time I wonder if you are just here to troll because half of your responses on this message board are quite nonsensical and at times (like this) quite idiotic if you are trying to cultivate support and customers for your book, your courses and your auditing.
How's the demand for your book? Flying off the shelves, are they?
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Look. If you are aspiring to be a self-help book writer, you had better care what the source of your technology did in real life.
By admitting you "don't care for third party stuff" you inadvertently revealed that you don't care for facts. And people who spend their hard earned money on self-help books care ONLY about facts!
SCIENTOLOGIST
Hey everyone! I have advanced technology to cure your mental illness,
cure your physical illness and cure any reason you failed to achieve your goals!
RANDOM PERSON
Didn't your technology come from someone named
L. Ron Hubbard, who was severely mentally ill and had
fatal physical illnesses that killed him and didn't he miserably
fail to achieve all of his Clear & OT goals? And didn't Hubbard
wage a documented 36 year crime wave of defrauding others and
running sociopathic terrorist black ops against
innocent men, women & children?
SCIENTOLOGIST
I don't care for third party stuff.
RANDOM PERSON
How in the world could facts be called "third party"?
SCIENTOLOGIST
Well, I have to admit, they shouldn't. But when people
confuse me with facts, I don't know what to say
so I just spew out some really wacky non-sequiturs
and hope people get weirded out and walk away--
so i can focus on selling my fact-free self help books!
Hey everyone! I have advanced technology to cure your mental illness,
cure your physical illness and cure any reason you failed to achieve your goals!
RANDOM PERSON
Didn't your technology come from someone named
L. Ron Hubbard, who was severely mentally ill and had
fatal physical illnesses that killed him and didn't he miserably
fail to achieve all of his Clear & OT goals? And didn't Hubbard
wage a documented 36 year crime wave of defrauding others and
running sociopathic terrorist black ops against
innocent men, women & children?
SCIENTOLOGIST
I don't care for third party stuff.
RANDOM PERSON
How in the world could facts be called "third party"?
SCIENTOLOGIST
Well, I have to admit, they shouldn't. But when people
confuse me with facts, I don't know what to say
so I just spew out some really wacky non-sequiturs
and hope people get weirded out and walk away--
so i can focus on selling my fact-free self help books!
By negating the importance of facts at this early stage in your hoped-for writing career, you are arrogantly alienating the very people you expect to look to you for truth. The very people you expect to give you money for your book. If you "don't care" for your prospective customers, I can assure you that they don't care about your book content & your book revenues either.
Honestly, about 50% of the time I wonder if you are just here to troll because half of your responses on this message board are quite nonsensical and at times (like this) quite idiotic if you are trying to cultivate support and customers for your book, your courses and your auditing.
How's the demand for your book? Flying off the shelves, are they?
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Scientologirl
Ex independent Scientologist
Firstly, I think you need to word clear "facts" - he said/she said stuff is not "facts." You find facts from the source, and through that which has statistics. You likely didn't do any data evaluation in Scientology, did you?
Secondly, tl;dr
Thirdly, you should go back and look at your communication vs mine. Who seems to be the aggressor here? Or is your reality THAT perverted from what is?
Lastly, boy you can make shit up. I wasn't the one who advertised my book on here, so "by negating the importance of facts at this early stage in your hoped-for writing career, you are arrogantly alienating the very people you expect to look to you for truth" is simply just something you've created in your imagination. I'm not trying to get any ex Scientologist or antagonistic-towards-Scientology person to buy my book because I know, right off the bat there would be 1. Hidden intentions. 2. Antagonism.
I'm still very curious on your history with Scientology and why you left (if you were a Scientologist at all) because at this stage, it really is looking like a withhold.
HelluvaHoax!
Well-known member
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
You finally convinced me that you are trolling. Nobody could possibly write the ridiculously cringey and creepy things you post otherwise.
This is the 3rd or 4th time you have been asking me for my "history". The last couple times you inquired, your knowingness made you doubt I was ever a Scientologist--and then you cognited that I have a big "withhold". Okay, I'll admit it now. Yes, you are right about all of that!
I actually didn't want to come here for the past 12 years and post on this website---but the psychs forced me to! And then OSA began working with the psychs and they both forced me to post here daily. I hated every moment of it. But, thankfully, you have busted up their black op and freed me. I know your mission is closed but I think you could get some VFP points on my mega win which might help you win the LRH Birthday Game. Thanks again, I have never felt so free and the wins keep coming and my space feels calm, on this planet.
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JeansAndRice
Active member
Stop. With. The. Loaded. Language.
Stop accusing withholds, hidden intentions, antagonism, or any other number of things you are saying to attempt to evaluate and rile up EVERYONE else here. That is not fun, that is manipulation.
I could make a pretty good case that you are the aggressor here.
JeansAndRice
Active member
looool
Scientologirl
Ex independent Scientologist
It's a funny situation this whole thing. I don't promote our org or my videos or my book and I get accused of doing so, but then when people come on the stuff about my vids or our org or my book and say shitty things, I'm supposed to be ok with it? And, to boot, I'm not allowed to use words I'm familiar with on posts about my vids, our org, and my book and I'm supposed to stop? But anyone can say I'm a liar, I'm manipulative, I have hidden intentions, I'm antagonistic, I'M riling "EVERYONE" up (generality), I'm writing cringey and creepy things... Yeah that's the thing about reactivity, it's illogical, it selects the wrong target, and it only sees as far as "what can I do to STOP and SQUASH."
I'll stop setting the record straight on posts about me and our org when ya'll stop saying bad things, how's that?
I'll stop setting the record straight on posts about me and our org when ya'll stop saying bad things, how's that?
Dotey OT
Re-Membered
Some scientologist.
Believes that there are such things as PTSs/SPs, actually believes that there are suppressive characteristics manifested here, and directed at her specifically, but she remains connected to it, and goads it on. Toss away half of the PTS/SP refs, use what you want to advertise on the dissem line. Here for the potential income.
Scientologirl
Ex independent Scientologist
There's also policies on dead agenting dear sir.
I told you I was trouble
Suspended animation.
I have a better idea ... float away from here now with hubbards tek, his theory's, his quotes and his policies and live your life free of the inconvenience of ever having to think for yourself again.
Don't try and run other peoples lives via hubbard's ramblings though because that will eventually bite you firmly on the arse and spoil the dream world that are apparently creating for yourself.
Bill
Well-known member
What Scientology/Hubbard is all about (in major part) is "Making others wrong and self (and Hubbard/Scientology) right". Scientology is supposed to "handle" that -- but all it does is enforce it.
It's great to have you here, doing your "thing", because it is a reminder of what is wrong about Hubbard and his "tech" and why, so often, it is impossible to reason, logically, with a True Believer. Thanks.
JeansAndRice
Active member
Can you set the record straight on why the use of a generality was noteworthy, if not to imply I am an SP? (don't worry, I definitely am by Scientology's definition) But you were directly addressing my post without quoting it or replying to it. I'm wondering because you also used a lot of generalities. I say this to illustrate that generalities are really easy to use, and don't always mean someone is an SP.
In my case I used "everyone" to exaggerate my point, and I made it all caps, to again, make a point. I certainly know that I don't speak for actually everyone on the forum..
In my case I used "everyone" to exaggerate my point, and I made it all caps, to again, make a point. I certainly know that I don't speak for actually everyone on the forum..
This is NOT OK !!!!
Well-known member
Hi Scieno Girl,
Tough crowd, eh? You seem tough though, I like that.
I don't know much about most things, but I'm wondering. You are the "Co-Exec. Dir. of the Independent Scientology Advanced Organization of the Great Plains", is that right?
Have you done a lot of LRH courses? Executive Director seems like a big position and a large responsibility!
I assume that's a full-time gig? Sounds like a lot of work!
What does a job like that consist of?
Regards,
TINOK
Tough crowd, eh? You seem tough though, I like that.
I don't know much about most things, but I'm wondering. You are the "Co-Exec. Dir. of the Independent Scientology Advanced Organization of the Great Plains", is that right?
Have you done a lot of LRH courses? Executive Director seems like a big position and a large responsibility!
I assume that's a full-time gig? Sounds like a lot of work!
What does a job like that consist of?
Regards,
TINOK
ILove2Lurk
. . Lisbeth Salander . . Back in Sweden
Let me butt in here . . .
I did the entire bridge to OT7 over a span of fifteen years and was a highly trained auditor.
I've read and listened to more books and tapes than anyone I've ever met, AFAIK.
I looked around at every OT and auditor/CS (up to Class8) I knew, or peripherally knew of,
and I concluded some things from brutal and honest observation.
There little or no difference between Clears/OTs and unprocessed wogs in many areas of life,
including, but not limited to:
- Cheating on spouses
- Divorces
- Financial crimes and dishonesty with money
- Not paying back money owed
- Sexual problems (even at the highest OT levels)
- Chronic depression (even at the highest OT levels)
- Early death from preventable diseases
- Bankruptcy
- Suicide rate
- Cancer rate
- Common illness rate
- General happiness in life
- Self worth and personal outlook on life
- And more . . .
I never met an OT with the OT abilities that were promised by Hubbard. And I've questioned quite a few.
I don't have them and I've done all the stuff.
I contacted over a half a dozen upper-level, ex-SO CSes and asked if they had ever created a real OT.
Their answers were all: NO! Seems like most people were struggling with lower level "wog" problems,
even at the highest levels, including stuff off the above list.
Though in my prime, I was one of the truest of true believers and very gullible, I guess, in the end I couldn't
ignore the reality staring at me every day. The pretending was all good while it lasted. I only wish I knew then,
what I know now.
I was young enough to leave early and create a "version 2.0" of my life and am doing OK as I'm aging.
I hope you're not as disappointed down the road someday as I was, if you end up spending decades of your
youth on this journey. It's a pretty rough moment to fully "grok" the truth of it all at the end. No one deserves
to suffer the "dark night of the soul" that's inevitable on this particular path, IMO.
I wish you the best.
HelluvaHoax!
Well-known member
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LOL!
With outstanding advice like that, I believe you could well author a best-selling self-help book and will quickly develop a huge international following!
Realistically, you could launch your own all-in-one Science, Philosophy & Religion! But first things first, your church will need to find a suitably high-toned, theta name--and also purchase a significant number of clipboards.
I have given some serious thought to your new religion's name and came up with this. . .
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LOL!
With outstanding advice like that, I believe you could well author a best-selling self-help book and will quickly develop a huge international following!
Realistically, you could launch your own all-in-one Science, Philosophy & Religion! But first things first, your church will need to find a suitably high-toned, theta name--and also purchase a significant number of clipboards.
I have given some serious thought to your new religion's name and came up with this. . .
THE CHURCH OF ARC*
*ARC: Arse Rehabilitation Cult
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I told you I was trouble
Suspended animation.
Yeah, well, you know me ... I like to go highbrow with my (unwanted!) advice every now and again to keep you all on your toes.
I'll try not to show off in future.
HelluvaHoax!
Well-known member
Excellent and gracious!
In my encounters with Scientologists, I sometimes wonder why they cannot test their most fundamental BELIEFS in the real world without realizing that Hubbard was a pathological liar. Well, that's all part of the fun of diving head-first into a cult and then much later trying to figure out why the hell one did that (and also how to best escape!).
example: Hubbard claims that "Scientology is the only game in the universe where everyone wins!"
First, it worth noting that it's an exponential generality, raised to the 3rd power! LOL. But let's move on. . .
Another problem. Hubbard did not travel throughout the entire universe, so right there "everyone" should have realized he is lying and thereupon instantly packed their hobo shoulder sack and hit the road*.
Next, Hubbard claims it's the "only" game of its kind. I don't know how fast Hubbard's Bluebird motorhome could go, but just the observable part of the physical universe is 46.5 billion light years across, so I am just guessing that during Ron's excellent road trip across the cosmos, he might have missed a couple towns.
Finally, the pièce de résistance! Everyone wins. Everyone. LOL. Scientologists are big on "stats", so let's take a peek at how the graph looks.
Of 100% of the Homo Sapiens that enter a Scientology
center and buy any course or auditing. . .
0% attain Homo Novis ("Clear").
0% attain Operating Thetan.
98% eventually blow.
98% lose their time and their money,
if not also their family, friends, job & mental health.
But there is Hubbard, claiming that 100% ("everyone") wins.
Who are you going to believe,
Ron or your lying reactive mind?
* Hobonetics practitioner running
(re)locational process on self.
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center and buy any course or auditing. . .
0% attain Homo Novis ("Clear").
0% attain Operating Thetan.
98% eventually blow.
98% lose their time and their money,
if not also their family, friends, job & mental health.
But there is Hubbard, claiming that 100% ("everyone") wins.
Who are you going to believe,
Ron or your lying reactive mind?
* Hobonetics practitioner running
(re)locational process on self.
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