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Scientologirl said:
ya know, ya'll keep going on about members being thrown overboard like it was the most brutal thing. I've seen pictures of it, many of them were laughing while it happened. Most of the people on fb that were in the Sea Org are pretty proud of it and high toned.
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Yeah, my friend was very proud when she got slung over the side for making a mistake on the class 8 course and broke her arm badly as she hit the water ... not.

Don't you understand yet that while still in the cult people perform for cameras, for each other and for anyone they come into contact with? Scientologists quickly become actors, even able to convince themselves that everything is OK when clearly it isn't ... they do it to protect themselves, and when they finally get out (as most do) and are able to think straight again they often tell the truth.

I have been there, you have not.
 
Scientologirl said:
ya know, ya'll keep going on about members being thrown overboard like it was the most brutal thing. I've seen pictures of it, many of them were laughing while it happened. Most of the people on fb that were in the Sea Org are pretty proud of it and high toned.
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High toned? Laughing while it happened?

You are either clownishly uninformed about what you are talking about or you are trolling for a reaction.

For someone who seems to have some marketing skills, you appear clueless about how to win hearts and minds. Your default when you are called for bullshit is to start quoting Hubbard or his magical tech cliches. Are you not aware that it's a business wrecker if you are trying to sell your book or auditing services when you repeatedly offend people's sensibilities by spewing already-debunked Hubbardisms at them. Maybe your marketing is not as hot as you think it is and there are some blind spots the size of Old St. Hill. If your tech was working, your Advanced Indie center would not have had to close its doors----and I think you are doing an encore performance on this website.

Are you not even aware that you can't sell whatever you are trying to sell by insulting people's intelligence?

If you want to learn a bit about over-boarding go research it. You'll enjoy reading about the "FUN" the older woman had who was terrorized (as Hubbard looked on) because she was pleading that she did not know how to swim. They brutally threw her off the ship anyways and she broke her arm and I believe some other injuries. And she would have drowned and died if someone didn't break the zombie cult spell that froze all the Scientology onlookers--and help her out of the water. How is that fun?

Your credibility is shit and getting worse by the moment. Talk to people who were there. You are clueless and your fancy stories about the imaginary Scientology are worthless.

Don Hubbard has a quote too. "If it's not fun, it's not Ex Scientology Message Board!" LOL. Are you having some fun now?

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I told you I was trouble said:
Yeah, my friend was very proud when she got slung over the side for making a mistake on the class 8 course and broke her arm badly as she hit the water ... not.

Don't you understand yet that while still in the cult people perform for cameras, for each other and for anyone they come into contact with? Scientologists quickly become actors, even able to convince themselves that everything is OK when clearly it isn't ... they do it to protect themselves, and when they finally get out (as most do) and are able to think straight again they often tell the truth.

I have been there, you have not.
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Oh damn, i was just writing about that story. I didn't know you were friends with her.

We are supposed to believe Scientologirl's gaslighting and write a success story how much fun it is to abuse and terrorize the elderly, infirm and children.

Listening to her wall-to-wall and shore-to-shore SHORE STORIES is a very unpleasant reminder of the cruelty and sadism of true believing Scientologists. It's that quality that eventually drives 98 percent of Scientologists to flee for their lives and sanity.

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I told you I was trouble said:
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I'd like to believe you, I really would.

But I feel I should go with what Scientologists tell me. Because they regularly do OCAs and exams on the e-meter---and if they were off on anything it would come up and get handled.

With you, God knows when the last time you were on the cans or did an updated OCA. For all we know, your TA might be out of range and your needle might be dirty or rock-slamming.

I advise everyone to go with the science and ignore what ITYIWT is nattering about.

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Scientologirl said:
From what I've seen so far, I haven't seen anything that needed altering.
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Informally, off the top of my head, chronologically:

Are you OK with...

(1951) the idea of disposing of quietly and without sorrow, or perhaps isolating from society in internment camps, those who are seen as being low on the Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation (Tone Scale), and refuse processing?

(1955) always attacking and if possible ruining utterly those who are seen as "squirreling" Scientology?

(1961) adult Security Checking.

(1961) children's Security Checking

(1965) SP Declares, Fair Game (faux "cancellation" for PR purposes), Disconnection (faux cancellation, etc.)

(1966) Practice of authoritatively telling people - who are "in session" - the contents of their minds and spaces, began with confidential (presented as being very dangerous, and vital to survival) upper levels. (Violates the spirit of the Auditor's Code.)

(1967) The Sea Org, the Bolivar PL and its "pink legs" philosophy.

From the Auditor newspaper of 1968
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(1968) Redefinition of "children" as someone who is not holding a post, thus allowing children to be treated as adults.

(1969 to 1973) Many confidential Scientology Intelligence tech (including "Support" or covert attack) issues written, and placed into application. (Ultimately resulted in Hubbard's wife taking the rap for him, being sent to prison, while he went into hiding.)

(1974) the RPF, and then the RPF's RPF.

(1976) The Children's RPF.

(1982) Pain and Sex HCOB.

And that's only a few that come to mind at this moment.
 
HelluvaHoax! said:
High toned? Laughing while it happened?

You are either clownishly uniformed about what you are talking about or you are trolling for a reaction.

For someone who seems to have some marketing skills, you appear clueless about how to win hearts and minds. Your default when you are called for bullshit is to start quoting Hubbard or his magical tech cliches. Are you not aware that it's a business wrecker if you are trying to sell your book or auditing services when you repeatedly offend people's sensibilities by spewing already-debunked Hubbardisms at them. Maybe your marketing is not as hot as you think it is and there are some blind spots the size of Old St. Hill. If your tech was working, your Advanced Indie center would not have had to close its doors----and I think you are doing an encore performance on this website.

Are you not even aware that you can't sell whatever you are trying to sell by insulting people's intelligence?

If you want to learn a bit about over-boarding go research it. You'll enjoy reading about the "FUN" the older woman had who was terrorized (as Hubbard looked on) because she was pleading that she did not know how to swim. They brutally threw her off the ship anyways and she broke her arm and I believe some other injuries. And she would have drowned and died if someone didn't break the zombie cult spell that froze all the Scientology onlookers--and help her out of the water. How is that fun?

Your credibility is shit and getting worse by the moment. Talk to people who were there. You are clueless and your fancy stories about the imaginary Scientology are worthless.

Don Hubbard has a quote too. "If it's not fun, it's not Ex Scientology Message Board!" LOL. Are you having some fun now?

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Well, there's intention behind everything. You've gone from 1.1 to 1.5 to 2.0, therefore, at least temporarily, I have succeeded. :)

You really do give me a big head in your other statement about gaslighting. We see in the world what we see in ourselves. You're angry, and that's ok. You think I'm the target because I represent the actual target. What are you doing with your pictures?
 
Veda said:
Informally, off the top of my head, chronologically:

Are you OK with...

(1951) the idea of disposing of quietly and without sorrow, or perhaps isolating from society in internment camps, those who are seen as being low on the Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation (Tone Scale), and refuse processing?

(1955) always attacking and if possible ruining utterly those who are seen as "squirreling" Scientology?

(1961) adult Security Checking.

(1961) children's Security Checking

(1965) SP Declares, Fair Game (faux "cancellation" for PR purposes), Disconnection (faux cancellation, etc.)

(1966) Practice of authoritatively telling people - who are "in session" - the contents of their minds and spaces, began with confidential (presented as being very dangerous, and vital to survival) upper levels. (Violates the spirit of the Auditor's Code.)

(1967) The Sea Org, the Bolivar PL and its "pink legs" philosophy.

From the Auditor newspaper of 1968
ethics-bait1.jpg

(1968) Redefinition of "children" as someone who is not holding a post, thus allowing children to be treated as adults.

(1969 to 1973) Many confidential Scientology Intelligence tech (including "Support" or covert attack) issues written, and placed into application. (Ultimately resulted in Hubbard's wife taking the rap for him, being sent to prison, while he went into hiding.)

(1974) the RPF, and then the RPF's RPF.

(1976) The Children's RPF.

(1982) Pain and Sex HCOB.

And that's only a few that come to mind at this moment.
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if you can provide policies to these I'd be more than happy to read it over, minus anything that may be confidential upper level materials. :)
 
HelluvaHoax! said:
High toned? Laughing while it happened?

You are either clownishly uniformed about what you are talking about or you are trolling for a reaction.

For someone who seems to have some marketing skills, you appear clueless about how to win hearts and minds. Your default when you are called for bullshit is to start quoting Hubbard or his magical tech cliches. Are you not aware that it's a business wrecker if you are trying to sell your book or auditing services when you repeatedly offend people's sensibilities by spewing already-debunked Hubbardisms at them. Maybe your marketing is not as hot as you think it is and there are some blind spots the size of Old St. Hill. If your tech was working, your Advanced Indie center would not have had to close its doors----and I think you are doing an encore performance on this website.

Are you not even aware that you can't sell whatever you are trying to sell by insulting people's intelligence?

If you want to learn a bit about over-boarding go research it. You'll enjoy reading about the "FUN" the older woman had who was terrorized (as Hubbard looked on) because she was pleading that she did not know how to swim. They brutally threw her off the ship anyways and she broke her arm and I believe some other injuries. And she would have drowned and died if someone didn't break the zombie cult spell that froze all the Scientology onlookers--and help her out of the water. How is that fun?

Your credibility is shit and getting worse by the moment. Talk to people who were there. You are clueless and your fancy stories about the imaginary Scientology are worthless.

Don Hubbard has a quote too. "If it's not fun, it's not Ex Scientology Message Board!" LOL. Are you having some fun now?

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It does seem apparent though, that you appear to want to STOP any reality that doesn't coincide with yours.
 
HelluvaHoax! said:
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Oh damn, i was just writing about that story. I didn't know you were friends with her.

We are supposed to believe Scientologirl's gaslighting and write a success story how much fun it is to abuse and terrorize the elderly, infirm and children.

Listening to her wall-to-wall and shore-to-shore SHORE STORIES is a very unpleasant reminder of the cruelty and sadism of true believing Scientologists. It's that quality that eventually drives 98 percent of Scientologists to flee for their lives and sanity.

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That must have been someone else HH because my friend would have been around 35 when it happened to her, she is very old now.

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I told you I was trouble said:
That must have been someone else HH because my friend would have been around 35 when it happened to her, she is very old now.

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Yeah, I have a lot of "abuse stories" rumbling around in my head that I haven't thought of in quite a while.

But never mind that, Scientology is always "fun".

Wait, I just thought of another one from a personal friend who was one of Hubbard's sexy personal stewards. When a white glove inspection of "the Commodore's" cabin revealed that there was a little dust on an upper door ledge, all hell broke loose.

She was condemned for "sabotaging" the planet or something and then thrown in the chain locker.

LESSON: Ron is not reasonable about people trying to destroy his Bridge to Total Freedom and only a psychotic SP would allow a piece of dust on an upper ledge to go undetected. But really it's all fun.

QUESTION: If Hubbard was on a ship at sea, wasn't there dust in the air everywhere and smoke from the ship and other fumes from the galley and such? If Ron was exposed to all that, how would a tiny piece of dust appearing on a white glove equate to brutally jailing a hard working slave in a chain locker--who puts in over 100 hours a week for under $10.00 pay and no time off? I am probably missing how this is fun due to my low tone level. LOL.

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Btw, the reason why I say most of this group is low toned is because it is apparent. I don't mean to trigger anyone (again) but consider the interactions of this group. It doesn't go much further than 2.5, despite possibly having good intentions. And no, I'm not just referring to flows to me. I can understand a support group, the intention is to help, but this space seems to keep people stuck, literally years, in anger, hostility, sympathy, grief.. Even support groups have steps (like the 12 steps in AA)- start, change, stop. I occasionally come on here to respond, but some of you do seem fixated on being here more often than not. I could never convince you guys and gals to practice Scientology again, but I'll always encourage you to be all you can be, to go out and live life. I have observed some really good people on here being wrapped up in the drama, and it is sad to me that they aren't living full lives. For example, my ex was super emotionally abusive and used dark dianetics on me before I even knew what Scientology was. I could have stayed in a support group and still have been in there, as one can get roped up in learning about narcissism, manipulators, control freaks etc. but all that toxicity daily was just restimulators and kept me stuck, kept me solid in a time when things were pretty bad. I don't want that for any of you, regardless if you think I'm insulting your intelligence, or I'm in a cult, or I'm gaslighting, or any of the various things I've been labeled and said to be doing.
 
Scientologirl said:
Well, there's intention behind everything. You've gone from 1.1 to 1.5 to 2.0, therefore, at least temporarily, I have succeeded. :)

You really do give me a big head in your other statement about gaslighting. We see in the world what we see in ourselves. You're angry, and that's ok. You think I'm the target because I represent the actual target. What are you doing with your pictures?
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LOL

The ratio of what you actually know about Scientology and the individuals on this message board, compared to what you think you know is an astonishingly and impressively inverted number. You may be entitled to some kind of Gold Medal in the Dunning-Kruger Olympics.

You shouldn't waste your valuable time trying to evaluate my tone level or OCA score. There are 7.4 Billion unaudited/untrained wogs out there (who are not Clear & fully trained and OT like me) who badly need your help (even though you have failed to become an OT or get training thus far). So, let's try to get your stats up! Grab your clip board now and get out there and get body-routing. Ron is counting on you to save mankind on this planet!

And when you have time, read your own book on how to make everything go right and let us know when you make things go right to salvage and re-open up your failed and closed mission. Just bring it up the tone scale again, that's my advice. We'd all love to hear such theta wins---or in the case that you are not able to save your own Scientology business, do share with us an exciting OT win of how you at least found a parking space in your shuttered up mission's empty parking lot.
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Scientologirl said:
Btw, the reason why I say most of this group is low toned is because it is apparent. I don't mean to trigger anyone (again) but consider the interactions of this group. It doesn't go much further than 2.5, despite possibly having good intentions. And no, I'm not just referring to flows to me. I can understand a support group, the intention is to help, but this space seems to keep people stuck, literally years, in anger, hostility, sympathy, grief.. Even support groups have steps (like the 12 steps in AA)- start, change, stop. I occasionally come on here to respond, but some of you do seem fixated on being here more often than not. I could never convince you guys and gals to practice Scientology again, but I'll always encourage you to be all you can be, to go out and live life. I have observed some really good people on here being wrapped up in the drama, and it is sad to me that they aren't living full lives. For example, my ex was super emotionally abusive and used dark dianetics on me before I even knew what Scientology was. I could have stayed in a support group and still have been in there, as one can get roped up in learning about narcissism, manipulators, control freaks etc. but all that toxicity daily was just restimulators and kept me stuck, kept me solid in a time when things were pretty bad. I don't want that for any of you, regardless if you think I'm insulting your intelligence, or I'm in a cult, or I'm gaslighting, or any of the various things I've been labeled and said to be doing.
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Priceless! LOL

- - - continuously goes on message board to lecture others that they should not go on the message board.​
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- - - continuously preaches to others on message board that they should apply Ron's tech. The punchline is that the people she harangues have already done the OT levels and already become highly trained---while she herself has completely failed to get trained or do the OT levels.​
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HelluvaHoax! said:
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Priceless! LOL

- - - continuously goes on message board to lecture others that they should not go on the message board.​
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- - - continuously preaches to others on message board that they should apply Ron's tech. The punchline is that the people she harangues have already done the OT levels and already become highly trained---while she herself has completely failed to get trained or do the OT levels.​
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squash squash squash squash squash. Lol
 
Scientologirl said:
Btw, the reason why I say most of this group is low toned is because it is apparent. I don't mean to trigger anyone (again) but consider the interactions of this group. It doesn't go much further than 2.5, despite possibly having good intentions. And no, I'm not just referring to flows to me. I can understand a support group, the intention is to help, but this space seems to keep people stuck, literally years, in anger, hostility, sympathy, grief.. Even support groups have steps (like the 12 steps in AA)- start, change, stop. I occasionally come on here to respond, but some of you do seem fixated on being here more often than not. I could never convince you guys and gals to practice Scientology again, but I'll always encourage you to be all you can be, to go out and live life. I have observed some really good people on here being wrapped up in the drama, and it is sad to me that they aren't living full lives. For example, my ex was super emotionally abusive and used dark dianetics on me before I even knew what Scientology was. I could have stayed in a support group and still have been in there, as one can get roped up in learning about narcissism, manipulators, control freaks etc. but all that toxicity daily was just restimulators and kept me stuck, kept me solid in a time when things were pretty bad. I don't want that for any of you, regardless if you think I'm insulting your intelligence, or I'm in a cult, or I'm gaslighting, or any of the various things I've been labeled and said to be doing.
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If you are ever curious why your mission went out of business, look no further than the very first sentence of your rant. Did you actually expect with that attitude people would be attracted to hanging out with you and paying you money?

Life, business and money don't work like that.

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HelluvaHoax! said:
If you are ever curious why your mission went out of business, look no further than the very first sentence of your rant. Did you actually expect with that attitude people would be attracted to hanging out with you and paying you money?

Life and business and money doesn't work that way.

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People select what they want to see. :)
 
Scientologirl said:
Btw, the reason why I say most of this group is low toned is because it is apparent. I don't mean to trigger anyone (again) but consider the interactions of this group. It doesn't go much further than 2.5, despite possibly having good intentions. And no, I'm not just referring to flows to me. I can understand a support group, the intention is to help, but this space seems to keep people stuck, literally years, in anger, hostility, sympathy, grief.. Even support groups have steps (like the 12 steps in AA)- start, change, stop. I occasionally come on here to respond, but some of you do seem fixated on being here more often than not. I could never convince you guys and gals to practice Scientology again, but I'll always encourage you to be all you can be, to go out and live life. I have observed some really good people on here being wrapped up in the drama, and it is sad to me that they aren't living full lives. For example, my ex was super emotionally abusive and used dark dianetics on me before I even knew what Scientology was. I could have stayed in a support group and still have been in there, as one can get roped up in learning about narcissism, manipulators, control freaks etc. but all that toxicity daily was just restimulators and kept me stuck, kept me solid in a time when things were pretty bad. I don't want that for any of you, regardless if you think I'm insulting your intelligence, or I'm in a cult, or I'm gaslighting, or any of the various things I've been labeled and said to be doing.
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Hi! I'm wondering if you are familiar with thought-terminating cliches, and loaded language?

The tone scale is a great example of both of these! Specifically in reference to your direct accusation (or at best, assumption) that the [very safe] space of this forum "seems to keep people stuck, literally years, in anger, hostility, sympathy, grief.." as you are insisting in this thread, and others, that you do not mean to trigger, but you continually use language meant to elicit a response (not OK), even if you are unaware of this (somewhat understandable). If you don't understand that you are using loaded language, like "hostility" and "sympathy" meant in the Scientology definitions, then you won't understand why you receive such passionate responses. This is a board full of individuals very well versed in Scientology language and concepts, and it does you no favors to evaluate the tone level of this message board outside of our scheduled group auditing session. I wonder why this evaluation, even?

The gaslighting happens when these passionate responses are called downtone. Also to assume that because someone is here "wrapped up in the drama" that they must not be living their life is.... a weird assumption. idk!!

Just, no need to check people here. Just check yourself. We're all doing okay (my own assumption!)
 
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Scientologirl said:
What happened to make you stop being a Scientologist?
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ANSWER: I developed a medical condition where when I was around really uptone people it drove me downtone. After several diagnostic batteries of tests, my doctor concluded that I was allergic to wins and he said for my health I needed to relocate.
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