The Scientologirl Independent Scientology YouTube channel associated with the Advanced Organization of the Great Plains

[Scientologirl]

I’ve just scanned through some of your comments (everyone) and I gotta say, there are some really toxic individuals here. I can see why SOME of you aren’t in Scientology (independent or not) anymore.

I told you I was trouble: Yes, LRH actually DID cancel fair game and DC, DM brought it back.

Veda, you’re just about the only person who I’d have a conversation with because you’re not hateful, disrespectful, antagonistic or prejudice. You seem to come with some facts, I can respect that. However, nothing I have seen yet from Scientology indicates bad things aside from group ethics which I already addressed.

Honestly, do none of you find that the conditions work in your life? Is SP tech just a myth? That would be funny considering when I personally chose to DC from two very toxic people, my life transformed, and they had those SP traits. I have done almost 60 OCAs for people and they have been highly accurate, is that BS too? What about the dynamics, does categorising parts of life not simplify life for you all? What about auditing, you don’t think those cognitions you had which cleared up past incidents were real to you? Or something as simple as how a balance of mass and significance helps us in learning? I can mention hundreds more examples of the tech that I found incredible value in and yes, even going clear has stabilised me where I was once pretty reactive.

I enjoy doing my channel because there’s no better way to learn than by teaching, once I’m there at the OT levels, without digging into the confidential stuff, I hope to be able to explain these too. If I can’t, perhaps it will be BS, but so far I’ve had people say “the state of clear is unobtainable” and yet, if you knew who I was back then, compared to who I am now, you’d know that it IS possible.

As I said, I’m a skeptic first. Having tried buddhism, psychiatry, prayer, and other things first to achieve what my intentions were towards myself and life, Scientology has been the closest I’ve come. That’s my reality, and it may have been yours for a long time too.

By the way, my postulates video is not mixing practices. Firstly, if you watched the video and understood the message, you’d know that: 1. The law of attraction is an idea, a concept that needs you to “just believe,” - that’s like saying I can’t cross my fingers and hope the lottery goes in my favour, or that I am not allowed to go to the doctor. If you see what other practices he was talking about, it all had to do with the mind: yoga, meditation etc, are all for the mind. If we were talking about acquiring things, prayer would be “other practices” but it’s in fact, not.

Anyway, I’m amazed and saddened that many of you spend so much time on here. It’s clearly not just about maintaining friendships as I see many of you arguing with each other as well.

To those who do have some theta left here: Have you asked yourself truly what you’re doing on a toxic place like this all the time? If you don’t consider this place is toxic with people saying some really terrible things, almost ALWAYS negative, then perhaps you belong. But sincerely, do you consider all that you are is an ex-Scientologist? Go out there and live your life. Peace

 

[ISNOINews]

II told you I was trouble: Yes, LRH actually DID cancel fair game and DC, DM brought it back.

I normally cross-post yor videos and AOGP posts without comment. However, I cannot allow your falsehood to remain unrefuted, despite the fact that I believe it was innocent on your part, and not intentional.

Hubbard did not cancel Fair Game. A screenshot of the policy letter that purportedly cancelled Fair Game, "Cancellation of Fair Game," HCOPL of 21 October 1968, is set forth below. It did not cancel Fair Game. It says: "The policy of declaring people fair game will cease." It did so only because: "It causes bad public relations" -- not because the practice was, and is, morally reprehensible.

Most importantly, the Policy Letter goes on to state: "This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP."




You know per KSW No. 1 that if it isn't written it isn't true. You know Word Clearing. Please apply them. The HCOPL cancelled only "the policy of declaring people fair game." The HCOPL specifically states that it "does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP." SPs were to be treated precisely the same way after the HCOPL as before the HCOPL. The HCOPL is not reasonably susceptible to any other interpretation.

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[I told you I was trouble]

I’ve just scanned through some of your comments (everyone) and I gotta say, there are some really toxic individuals here. I can see why SOME of you aren’t in Scientology (independent or not) anymore.

I told you I was trouble: Yes, LRH actually DID cancel fair game and DC, DM brought it back.

Veda, you’re just about the only person who I’d have a conversation with because you’re not hateful, disrespectful, antagonistic or prejudice. You seem to come with some facts, I can respect that. However, nothing I have seen yet from Scientology indicates bad things aside from group ethics which I already addressed.

Honestly, do none of you find that the conditions work in your life? Is SP tech just a myth? That would be funny considering when I personally chose to DC from two very toxic people, my life transformed, and they had those SP traits. I have done almost 60 OCAs for people and they have been highly accurate, is that BS too? What about the dynamics, does categorising parts of life not simplify life for you all? What about auditing, you don’t think those cognitions you had which cleared up past incidents were real to you? Or something as simple as how a balance of mass and significance helps us in learning? I can mention hundreds more examples of the tech that I found incredible value in and yes, even going clear has stabilised me where I was once pretty reactive.

I enjoy doing my channel because there’s no better way to learn than by teaching, once I’m there at the OT levels, without digging into the confidential stuff, I hope to be able to explain these too. If I can’t, perhaps it will be BS, but so far I’ve had people say “the state of clear is unobtainable” and yet, if you knew who I was back then, compared to who I am now, you’d know that it IS possible.

As I said, I’m a skeptic first. Having tried buddhism, psychiatry, prayer, and other things first to achieve what my intentions were towards myself and life, Scientology has been the closest I’ve come. That’s my reality, and it may have been yours for a long time too.

By the way, my postulates video is not mixing practices. Firstly, if you watched the video and understood the message, you’d know that: 1. The law of attraction is an idea, a concept that needs you to “just believe,” - that’s like saying I can’t cross my fingers and hope the lottery goes in my favour, or that I am not allowed to go to the doctor. If you see what other practices he was talking about, it all had to do with the mind: yoga, meditation etc, are all for the mind. If we were talking about acquiring things, prayer would be “other practices” but it’s in fact, not.

Anyway, I’m amazed and saddened that many of you spend so much time on here. It’s clearly not just about maintaining friendships as I see many of you arguing with each other as well.

To those who do have some theta left here: Have you asked yourself truly what you’re doing on a toxic place like this all the time? If you don’t consider this place is toxic with people saying some really terrible things, almost ALWAYS negative, then perhaps you belong. But sincerely, do you consider all that you are is an ex-Scientologist? Go out there and live your life. Peace

Lol! Keep your attempts at lecturing and your spite to yourself ... it didn't take much at all for you to reveal it, I thought you may have had a thicker skin.

PS: You are NOT the messiah.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Lol! Keep your attempts at lecturing and your spite to yourself ... it didn't take much at all for you to reveal it. . .

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And, yup, that's the right word--spite.

After warming up a bit with "feeler" posts, she finally got down to business. Thus, her spite is erupting and spewing out now like BTs exploding out of a volcano.

Like all Scientologists and Indie Scientologists, they're not here to talk to you, they are here to handle you. LOL.

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[HelluvaHoax!]

PS: You are NOT the messiah.
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LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

I nominate that as the:

SINGLE GREATEST & MOST HILARIOUS 6 WORDS OR LESS R-FACTOR
GIVEN TO A SCIENTOLOGIST OR INDIE SCIENTOLOGIST
ON THE INTERNET IN ALL OF RECORDED HISTORY

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[I told you I was trouble]

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LOL!

And, yup, that's the right word--spite.

After warming up a bit with "feeler" posts, she finally got down to business. Thus, her spite is erupting and spewing out now like BTs exploding out of a volcano.

Like all Scientologists and Indie Scientologists, they're not here to talk to you, they are here to handle you. LOL.

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True and I suspect many people around the world are sick to the back teeth of being lectured, 'encouraged' to think a certain way and generally having to tolerate wannabes explaining life and how we should all think ... 'for our own good and out of the kindness of their hearts'.

If people want to improve themselves ... great, that's what all decent people tend to try and do and I'm all for it and if using a long dead guru who's true claim to fame was that he was a clever con artist with rotten teeth and a psychiatric history is the way they want to do it ... fantastic, I have no issues at all with any of that because it's none of my business ... right up until they start with the lecturing, demands for attention and barely disguised contempt near me or my friends ... then they can fuck off.

The recent far left idiocy and BLM events have possibly used up the last bit of my ever decreasing patience with people who's egos should have their own postcode and I think I'll celebrate that because saying what I really mean in response to them is a very positive experience ... perhaps I should do a youtube video about it or write a book.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I normally cross-post yor videos and AOGP posts without comment. However, I cannot allow your falsehood to remain unrefuted, despite the fact that I believe it was innocent on your part, and not intentional.

Hubbard did not cancel Fair Game. A screenshot of policy letter that purportedly cancelled Fair Game, "Cancellation of Fair Game," HCOPL of 21 October 1968, is set forth below. It did not cancel Fair Game. It says: "The policy of declaring people fair game will cease." It did so only because: "It causes bad public relations" -- not because the practice was, and is, morally reprehensible.

Most importantly, the Policy Letter goes on to state: "This P/L does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP."

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You know per KSW No. 1 that if it isn't written it isn't true. You know Word Clearing. Please apply them. The HCOPL cancelled only "the policy of declaring people fair game." The HCOPL specifically states that it "does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP." SPs were to be treated precisely the same way after the HCOPL as before the HCOPL. The HCOPL is not reasonably susceptible to any other interpretation.

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You have brilliantly and succinctly made the point that Hubbard never lost a single beat in applying FAIR GAME to all of his voluminous "enemies", before and after* writing that faux "cancellation" policy. You achieved all that using IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

The problem with your post is that the irrefutable facts you used are also ENTHETA FACTS.

Dr. Hubbard gave very specific instructions to Scientologists and Indie Scientologists to "cut any entheta line". Scientologists are just 'not into' low toned facts, they much prefer theta feelings---which accounts for why they typically remain self-quarantined in the theta universe.


* example: Hubbard fanatically and viciously waged a "Fair Game" destruction crusade against Paulette Cooper that originated long after Hubbard claimed to have canceled that sociopathic Fair Game policy. Note well that the cancellation policy was 1968---a full 8 years before Hubbard tried to kill, destroy, bankrupt and/or falsely frame/imprison Paulette Cooper beginning in 1976.

wiki excerpt:​

"Operation Freakout, also known as Operation PC Freakout, was a Church of Scientology covert plan intended to have the U.S. author and journalist Paulette Cooper imprisoned or committed to a psychiatric hospital. The plan, undertaken in 1976 following years of church-initiated lawsuits and covert harassment, was meant to eliminate the perceived threat that Cooper posed to the church and obtain revenge for her publication in 1971 of a highly critical book, 'The Scandal of Scientology'." (full article link)​

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[ISNOINews]

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You have brilliantly and succinctly made the point that Hubbard never lost a single beat in applying FAIR GAME to all of his voluminous "enemies", before and after* writing that faux "cancellation" policy. You achieved all that using IRREFUTABLE FACTS.

The problem with your post is that the irrefutable facts you used are also ENTHETA FACTS.

Dr. Hubbard gave very specific instructions to Scientologists and Indie Scientologists to "cut any entheta line". Scientologists are just 'not into' low toned facts, they much prefer theta feelings---which accounts for why they typically remain self-quarantined in the theta universe.


* example: Hubbard fanatically and viciously waged a "Fair Game" destruction crusade against Paulette Cooper that originated long after Hubbard claimed to have canceled that sociopathic Fair Game policy. Note well that the cancellation policy was 1968---a full 8 years before Hubbard tried to kill, destroy, bankrupt and/or falsely frame/imprison Paulette Cooper beginning in 1976.

wiki excerpt:​

"Operation Freakout, also known as Operation PC Freakout, was a Church of Scientology covert plan intended to have the U.S. author and journalist Paulette Cooper imprisoned or committed to a psychiatric hospital. The plan, undertaken in 1976 following years of church-initiated lawsuits and covert harassment, was meant to eliminate the perceived threat that Cooper posed to the church and obtain revenge for her publication in 1971 of a highly critical book, 'The Scandal of Scientology'." (full article link)​

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Great point. Regarding Scientologirl's contention that David Miscavige "brought back" Fair Game, allow me to add the obvious.

Operation Freak Out began in 1976, ten years before Hubbard's death and while Hubbard was still fully in control of Scientology.

The Wikipedia page on David Miscavige notes:


David Miscavige - Wikipedia


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In 1976, on his sixteenth birthday, Miscavige left high school with his father's permission to move to Clearwater, Florida and joined the Sea Org, a Scientologist religious order established in 1968 by Church founder L. Ron Hubbard.[13][17] Some of his earliest jobs in the Sea Org included delivering telexes, groundskeeping, food service and taking photographs for Scientology brochures.[13]

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I somehow doubt that Miscavige was responsible for Operation Freak Out when he was 16 years old delivering telexes, doing groundskeeping, doing food service, or taking photographs for Scientology brochures -- assuming he had completed the EPF.

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[Veda]

Great point. Regarding Scientologirl's contention that David Miscavige "brought back" Fair Game, allow me to add the obvious.

Operation Freak Out began in 1976, ten years before Hubbard's death and while Hubbard was still fully in control of Scientology.

The Wikipedia page on David Miscavige notes:


David Miscavige - Wikipedia


* * * * * BEGIN EXCERPT * * * * *

In 1976, on his sixteenth birthday, Miscavige left high school with his father's permission to move to Clearwater, Florida and joined the Sea Org, a Scientologist religious order established in 1968 by Church founder L. Ron Hubbard.[13][17] Some of his earliest jobs in the Sea Org included delivering telexes, groundskeeping, food service and taking photographs for Scientology brochures.[13]

* * * * * END EXCERPT * * * * *

I somehow doubt that Miscavige was responsible for Operation Freak Out when he was 16 years old delivering telexes, doing groundskeeping, doing food service, or taking photographs for Scientology brochures -- assuming he had completed the EPF.

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Paulette Cooper became a target of Scientology after she had written, and had published, a magazine article in 1969. Operation Dynamite preceded Operation Freakout by four years, and was almost successful. Operation Freakout was, essentially, a planned re-do of the almost successful operation Dynamite.

Following are page one, two, and five of a confidential issue from L. Ron Hubbard - CS-G means Commodore's Staff Guardian. The entire document can be found on the Internet and was first revealed to the public, with numerous other documents, as the result of a court order in late 1979.

In it, Hubbard cites his second wife, Sara, and also Don Purcell.

Atop page 2, it states: "Essentially a covert operation is intended to embarrass, discredit or overthrow or remove an actual or possible opponent."

There is an entire tech, developed by L. Ron Hubbard, to do this to those regarded as his and Scientology's opponents. This tech was called Scientology Intelligence tech and consisted of Data Collection, Covert Data Collection including eaves dropping and spying, Evaluation, and also Support or attack Intelligence.

Hubbard continued to develop these, including Support or attack Intelligence tech, through 1969, and into the 1970s.

 

[Veda]

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Veda, you’re just about the only person who I’d have a conversation with because you’re not hateful, disrespectful, antagonistic or prejudice. You seem to come with some facts, I can respect that.

You practice Reformed Scientology, which means you wisely pick and choose those parts of Scientology you wish to use.

However, nothing I have seen yet from Scientology indicates bad things aside from group ethics which I already addressed.

Good.

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I can mention hundreds more examples of the tech that I found incredible value in and yes, even going clear has stabilized me where I was once pretty reactive.

(See the Those Who Quit Fast thread for many accounts of those who had similar experiences and then left Scientology, realizing that this was as good as it was likely going to get.)

I enjoy doing my channel because there’s no better way to learn than by teaching, once I’m there at the OT levels, without digging into the confidential stuff, I hope to be able to explain these too. If I can’t, perhaps it will be BS...

I don't know the upper Grade Chart steps you'll be doing. Old OT 1 is walking around and noticing people.

The heavy evaluation begins with the Clearing Course booklet which is also used on OT2.

Evaluation, of course, violates the spirit of the Auditors Code.

At OT 2 and OT 3 you will be told you have problems - "case" - that in not necessarily your "case,"

Never be afraid to say, "I don't have that problem." "It's not my case."

Those who did Route 1 (from COHA), from 1954, were as successful with it as those who did OT 2 and OT 3, and NOTs, years later. So why do OT2, OT 3 and NOTs.

There is no reason to audit Ron's "case" and head games.

Whatever happens, best wishes.

Vidio added

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

True and I suspect many people around the world are sick to the back teeth of being lectured, 'encouraged' to think a certain way and generally having to tolerate wannabes explaining life and how we should all think ... 'for our own good and out of the kindness of their hearts'.

If people want to improve themselves ... great, that's what all decent people tend to try and do and I'm all for it and if using a long dead guru who's true claim to fame was that he was a clever con artist with rotten teeth and a psychiatric history is the way they want to do it ... fantastic, I have no issues at all with any of that because it's none of my business ... right up until they start with the lecturing, demands for attention and barely disguised contempt near me or my friends ... then they can fuck off.

The recent far left idiocy and BLM events have possibly used up the last bit of my ever decreasing patience with people who's egos should have their own postcode and I think I'll celebrate that because saying what I really mean in response to them is a very positive experience ... perhaps I should do a youtube video about it or write a book.

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Very entertaining to read your righteous rant! Yeah, do a video or write a book---that would be fun for all of us here! LOL.

There may be other outlets as well. Perhaps consider wearing bell bottoms, walking barefoot, letting your hair get super long and frizzy and writing a folk song.

Seriously, i greatly enjoy when someone gets a rise out of you and you unleash the darts on those rhetorical stun guns.
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[HelluvaHoax!]

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I don't know the upper Grade Chart steps you'll be doing. Old OT 1 is walking around and noticing people.

I think you are guilty of what Ron calls a "Technical Degrade" there. Old OT 1 is so much more than what you describe!

When I did OT 1, my confidential materials instructed me to go to a bus station and notice people. Naturally I noticed the busses as well. So, from my perspective I achieved 2X the case gains that I paid for.

I don't know if anyone on this board has achieved Clear, but you should all drop what you are doing and rush to the nearest AO and do it!! It's far beyond your wildest dreams. Most of what I experienced at the bus station is very confidential, but I can share one of the lower level OT wins that I had. When you attain Clear you look at things from an entirely different perspective. When I saw the bus, it wasn't just a bus. Because I was looking at the bus from a Clear's perspective. It's unbelievable, you'll see when you get on the level!


sorry, but i had to really laugh just now---remembering the 75 million times I heard a Scientologist's SUCCESS STORY where they spun the obligatory & miraculously magical mystery marketing sandwich. Those flashing OT I eyes knew the secret. That knowing OT I grin! Those rhetorically tantalizing OT teases! My god, I just HAVE to find out what they know! I cannot wait another moment to do my OT I, where is my charge card?! LOL!




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[I told you I was trouble]

I must have momentarily forgotten that a normal sense of humour was banned in scientology because when I was handed the OT1 checksheet I honestly thought it was all a big joke and someone was going to laugh and hand me the real 'materials' at any moment ... but they didn't.



When I finally read the OT3 checksheet and met good old Uncle Xenu and the BT's (under the beady eye of the nasty supervisor) it completely confirmed that I was in an insane cult and would have to be very careful if I wanted to get out with my money and remaining marbles ... I don't recall what OT2 was about at all, so I suspect it was as boring and embarrassing as 1 and 3.

Message to any thin skinned scientologists: If hubbard is the answer it's probably time to stop asking the question.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I must have momentarily forgotten that a normal sense of humour was banned in scientology because when I was handed the OT1 checksheet I honestly thought it was all a big joke and someone was going to laugh and hand me the real 'materials' at any moment ... but they didn't.



When I finally read the OT3 checksheet and met good old Uncle Xenu and the BT's (under the beady eye of the nasty supervisor) it completely confirmed that I was in an insane cult and would have to be very careful if I wanted to get out with my money and remaining marbles ... I don't recall what OT2 was about at all, so I suspect it was as boring and embarrassing as 1 and 3. Message to any thin skinned scientologists: If hubbard is the answer it's probably time to stop asking the question.

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I see.

Sad.

Well, I don't want to evaluate for you, but it seems you missed the miraculous gains and OT wins from Section III O.T. We call it "The Wall of Fire". Based on your other posts over the years, I have concluded that you did OT III before Ron's wholetrack research discovered the demo kit technology--so it makes sense to me that you didn't get the mass and blew.

Personally when I did OT III, my demo kit had a very robust supply of batteries and paperclips and a Bic lighter. It's very likely the one thing that saved my eternity because when I got to the part about the volcanoes and hydrogen bombs exploding and the "wall of fire" I used the Bic lighter and it all came together. Full conceptual understanding!

To be honest, I feel very sorry for people like you who "don't get it". It's amazing up here at my level. Keep plugging away down there and one day you might successfully come up the line and then you can play big games with big beings.

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[I told you I was trouble]

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I see.

Sad.

Well, I don't want to evaluate for you, but it seems you missed the miraculous gains and OT wins from Section III O.T. We call it "The Wall of Fire". Based on your other posts over the years, I have concluded that you did OT III before Ron's wholetrack research discovered the demo kit technology--so it makes sense to me that you didn't get the mass and blew.

Personally when I did OT III, my demo kit had a very robust supply of batteries and paperclips and a Bic lighter. It's very likely the one thing that saved my eternity because when I got to the part about the volcanoes and hydrogen bombs exploding and the "wall of fire" I used the Bic lighter and it all came together. Full conceptual understanding!

To be honest, I feel very sorry for people like you who "don't get it". It's amazing up here at my level. Keep plugging away down there and one day you might successfully come up the line and then you can play big games with big beings.

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I can hardly wait.

 

[Irayam]

Above link says error 404 not found.

It works for me.

 

[Irayam]

• 1963-5 Report Of The Board Of Enquiry Into Scientology State Of Victoria Australia By Justice Kevin Victor Anderson Queen’s Counsel (Report Of The Board Of Enquiry Into Scientology) (https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/papers/gov

pub/VPARL1965-66No9.pdf)

And this one doesn’t work for me!
Strange and funny!

 

[Irayam]

Anyway, I’m amazed and saddened that many of you spend so much time on here. It’s clearly not just about maintaining friendships as I see many of you arguing with each other as well.

I come to this site every day. The time spent on this site says a lot about the trauma caused by $cientology. It has been almost 31 years since I managed to free myself from the grip of the cult and I am still fascinated by the evil that $cientology can do.

About this site, it is not really meant to maintain a friendship but, as far as I am concerned, to learn how the $cientology cult is doing. I come here every day hoping to read that, at last, justice has banned $cientology. Including its slightly less toxic by-products, the various squirrel groups.

All former $cientologists have had the same hopes as you, Scientologirl. All were disappointed or died before they were disappointed. All of them.

I'm a little sad that you, too, are caught up in this. But one day, for sure, you will say to yourself, "They were right in the end ». Or you will die before then.

I wish you all the best for your future, courage!

 

[Dotey OT]

I come to this site every day. The time spent on this site says a lot about the trauma caused by $cientology. It has been almost 31 years since I managed to free myself from the grip of the cult and I am still fascinated by the evil that $cientology can do.

About this site, it is not really meant to maintain a friendship but, as far as I am concerned, to learn how the $cientology cult is doing. I come here every day hoping to read that, at last, justice has banned $cientology. Including its slightly less toxic by-products, the various squirrel groups.

All former $cientologists have had the same hopes as you, Scientologirl. All were disappointed or died before they were disappointed. All of them.

I'm a little sad that you, too, are caught up in this. But one day, for sure, you will say to yourself, "They were right in the end ». Or you will die before then.

I wish you all the best for your future, courage!

I was in almost thirty years, and have been free for about the last four.

In my almost four years on this and the earlier ESMB, I have read stories that are as varied as there are people. There are many horrible stories. The times the stories penetrated the deepest was when someone passed away while still being a scientologist. I read a few posts on the RIP thread, and it was very stunning for me to think that a person would die not knowing the truth about the entirety that is/was dianetics and scientology. That is just an unpleasant thought for me, but in fact I have very dear friends that will do just that, and there isn't anyone trying to get them to see the light directly.

It's all just hope that something someone is doing somewhere will cause a stir, a chain reaction, something that gets more people out. These are intelligent people. Some are doctors, dentists, IT professionals, some very bright and successful people. How they are being trapped is a by a web of rules, policies, bulletins, the very things that you read every day while on course. You can count on that. It doesn't matter that someone that you trust and admire has introduced you to this. One of the smartest people that I know is the FSM that got me in to begin with. He still hasn't figured it out. I have several great friends that are in. The aren't figuring this out on their own.

It took many, many, many things to happen to me to shake me out of my hypnotic stupor. So many things that are in scientology are only there to keep people in. Those things are not really intended to benefit the individual's life that applies them, but only to place them deeper into a cocoon that pulls the wool over their eyes, so to speak. Many of the things that are being claimed here such as SP tek, appear to me for that purpose. If you have someone in your vicinity that is evil, yes, by all means, do not continue to be attached to that person. That isn't a new idea. But because someone isn't into mental or spiritual treatment such as scamatology, they may not be wrong to object.

I am glad that you spoke out, whether I agree or not, I like it that you came back with your opinion. None us here have the answers, really. We are just like the rest of the species on this planet. But some of us might know more than you on this subject, and that isn't always easy to hear.

 

[Bill]

I’ve just scanned through some of your comments (everyone) and I gotta say, there are some really toxic individuals here. I can see why SOME of you aren’t in Scientology (independent or not) anymore.

I told you I was trouble: Yes, LRH actually DID cancel fair game and DC, DM brought it back.

Veda, you’re just about the only person who I’d have a conversation with because you’re not hateful, disrespectful, antagonistic or prejudice. You seem to come with some facts, I can respect that. However, nothing I have seen yet from Scientology indicates bad things aside from group ethics which I already addressed.

Honestly, do none of you find that the conditions work in your life? Is SP tech just a myth? That would be funny considering when I personally chose to DC from two very toxic people, my life transformed, and they had those SP traits. I have done almost 60 OCAs for people and they have been highly accurate, is that BS too? What about the dynamics, does categorising parts of life not simplify life for you all? What about auditing, you don’t think those cognitions you had which cleared up past incidents were real to you? Or something as simple as how a balance of mass and significance helps us in learning? I can mention hundreds more examples of the tech that I found incredible value in and yes, even going clear has stabilised me where I was once pretty reactive.

I enjoy doing my channel because there’s no better way to learn than by teaching, once I’m there at the OT levels, without digging into the confidential stuff, I hope to be able to explain these too. If I can’t, perhaps it will be BS, but so far I’ve had people say “the state of clear is unobtainable” and yet, if you knew who I was back then, compared to who I am now, you’d know that it IS possible.

As I said, I’m a skeptic first. Having tried buddhism, psychiatry, prayer, and other things first to achieve what my intentions were towards myself and life, Scientology has been the closest I’ve come. That’s my reality, and it may have been yours for a long time too.

By the way, my postulates video is not mixing practices. Firstly, if you watched the video and understood the message, you’d know that: 1. The law of attraction is an idea, a concept that needs you to “just believe,” - that’s like saying I can’t cross my fingers and hope the lottery goes in my favour, or that I am not allowed to go to the doctor. If you see what other practices he was talking about, it all had to do with the mind: yoga, meditation etc, are all for the mind. If we were talking about acquiring things, prayer would be “other practices” but it’s in fact, not.

Anyway, I’m amazed and saddened that many of you spend so much time on here. It’s clearly not just about maintaining friendships as I see many of you arguing with each other as well.

To those who do have some theta left here: Have you asked yourself truly what you’re doing on a toxic place like this all the time? If you don’t consider this place is toxic with people saying some really terrible things, almost ALWAYS negative, then perhaps you belong. But sincerely, do you consider all that you are is an ex-Scientologist? Go out there and live your life. Peace

As you go forward from here, remember this:

Virtually all of us ex-Scientologists here were exactly like you at one time. We believed in the promises of Scientology: Release, Clear and the incredible OT levels. We were exactly like you. We believed in the promises of Hubbard. We knew this was the most incredible technology, ever. Every single bit of it worked!

Anyone who disputed this was evil. Everyone who claimed unworkability was evil. We defended the tech against all challenges!

Just like you.

Time passed and while sessions ended with an "F/N" and we temporarily felt great... we never made it to the promised gains: Release, Clear and OT. Many of us made it to the OT levels. Still no promised miracles.

Remember this. We were exactly like you are now. We supported and defended Hubbard and the tech. For years.

Remember this in a few months or years when you get a bit more experience. You will understand, I promise.