Revisiting OTVIII . . . what, again??!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Riddick]

This thread is gold to those once entrapped.

There is no value to those that are still in and do not know this. In fact, this thread could changes lives.

L Ron Hubbard, lived March 13, 1911 – January 24, 1986.

Todays date is 12/25/2020.

I don't think LRH is coming back, sorry, we was duped.

Anybody and everybody reading Hubbard's so called technology on how to clear a person and then make the OT doesn't pan out.

Other religions say you have a afterlife, scientology says you can come back from death with full recall of death and coming back but it doesn't appear so.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I just read through this entire thread again from the beginning.

One of the most entertaining and interesting threads I've ever
read. Especially good for new "ex" people or curious visitors.

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Likewise, I just took a peek at the thread's first post and ended up hooked and re-read the entire thread again as well.

Epic revelations!

It summarizes (far better than Cliff's Notes ever could) 70 years of non-stop pathological cult lying by Hubbard, Miscavige and all the rest of the "elite senior management" shore story-tellers, proxies, heirs, assigns and co-conspirators. They all became, without exception, TR-L. Ron Hubbard.

As far as the "I am the Anti-Christ" claim, perhaps the most plausible explanation for what Hubbard intended by that deranged "revelation" is the one articulated on this thread by J. Swift. However, I'll mention in passing that the term "Anti-Christ" lacks one definitive definition and is the subject of considerable debate amongst scholars. By way of example here is a LINKED ARTICLE ("Who is the Anti-Christ?") that offers up quite a number of varied and contradictory meanings for that term.

I mention this for a particular reason, and it has nothing to do with trying to figure out what Hubbard meant. The sheer cryptic ambiguity of it is the actual point! To wit, imagine that we all now are able to TIME TRAVEL back to those Senior Int secret meetings where COB and his coterie of cult collaborators discussed this compelling subject:

HEY, THE OLD MAN DROPPED DEAD AFTER HE WROTE
THAT HE IS THE ANTI-CHRIST. DOES ANYONE HAVE
ANY IDEAS OF WTF WE SHOULD DO NOW?!
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Because we successfully time traveled back to that moment, imagine what would happen if we asked COB and every other one of the creepy conspirators for the precise definition of "Anti-Christ". And what do you think they would answer?

CONCLUSION: I maintain that none of them would have had the slightest clue what Hubbard meant, even if they offered up lamely uninformed guesses. Give that a moment of consideration. Get it? In Scientology the most vital tech you learn on your very first day is to "never ever go past a misunderstood word!". And in the OT VIII materials, Hubbard finally leaks his most vital personal revelation ever! All those years where Hubbard's "mystery sandwich" tech teased parishioners about who exactly he was and how he performed all these miracles. Remember this? "We shall not speculate on how I came to rise above the bank." However, when he finally revealed the secret of all secrets, "I am the Anti-Christ!" (goo-goo-ga-joo)---they all decided to happily publish the biggest discovery of the past 417 quadrillion years, even though they all had an epic MU on the term and no idea whatsoever what he was talking about.

FREE BONUS SECTION: The revelation about being the "Anti-Christ" is just like every other breathlessly delivered "cosmic breakthrough!" in Scientology. There are literally tens of thousands of such moments (e.g. engrams, Xenu, smoking more cigarettes cures lung cancer, gorilla goal implants, miraculous OT superpowers, et al) and they all have the identical origin, nature and tell---MIB*.



* MIB: A new phenomena discovered by Don Hubbard (see avatar) that refers to the cult of Scientology's Mad Improvisational Bullshit technology, which is used by the cult's founder, leaders and managers in extreme moments of stress--where parishioners' donations are downwardly spiraling and they begin asking entheta questions about why the tech didn't work--or just disinterestedly walking away. At that critical moment, even messiahs become discombobulated and begin sputtering hastily patched together gibberish. [example: When Hubbard held a massive public event in 1950 at the Shrine Auditorium to celebrate "The World's First Clear!", Sonya Bianca was miserably unable to demonstrate her "perfect memory". In fact she couldn't even remember the color of Hubbard's tie thought he was standing directly behind her. As the 6000 assembled Dianetic enthusiasts and believers began to loudly grumble and walk out, a shell-shocked Hubbard desperately searched for an explanation. When questioned by reporters about the epic fail, Hubbard madly improvised some remarkably inept bullshit, explaining that: "When I called the world's first Clear Sonya Bianca from the wings to take the stage, I gave her the command 'Will you come out here now, Sonya?' The word 'now' got her stuck in present time." This scientifically explains why Sonya was able to perfectly remember back to a pre-natal engram, yet was unable to remember 10 seconds earlier.]

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[ILove2Lurk]

Likewise, I just took a peek at the thread's first post and ended up
hooked and re-read the entire thread again as well. Epic revelations!

I couldn't agree more.

Since much of Hubbard's life and mind is based on hyperbole . . . well, here ya go.

I can only compare the rediscovery and revisiting of this thread to the unearthing
of a collection of 52 early Christian and Gnostic texts near the Upper Egyptian town
of Nag Hammadi in 1945.These ancient scrolls included The Gospel of Thomas,
which revealed Jesus' secret poems, sayings, and beliefs that are very different
from the New Testament. Revelations Jesus shared privately with his smaller circle
of confidants. These could be compared to the secret levels of scientology, which
are kept under lock and key until people were ready for them.

Likewise, this thread offers the collective knowledge of a bunch of ESMB members,
many who have spent the past 14 years on a quest to uncover the truth. I think we have.

I enjoyed the J. Swift remarks too. Just terrific.

Another favorite passage of mine was from Karen#1 about how the current OT8 was
created by Ray Mithoff and his collaborators.

Make up *MANUFACTURE* new OT levels...but how?​

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The study Hubbard's solo folders was combed and plucked and put together ​

for a little trinket of this and that and market it as NEW OT level.​

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It is exactly what they did and I was briefed on some on this while I was still in from a tech insider.​

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OT 8 ~~ all versions there are 5 of them ~~ were harvesting a question here and there that Hubbard ​

had asked himself in solo auditing.​

Oh, Just great!

Where has Ray Mithoff, the inventor of OT8, been hiding the past twenty years? Telling.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Where is Ron now?
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[HelluvaHoax!]

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Another favorite passage of mine was from Karen#1 about how the current OT8 was
created by Ray Mithoff and his collaborators.

Make up *MANUFACTURE* new OT levels...but how?​

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It's funny how one can gain expertise and mastery of anything, even a hoax like Scientology. I paused a nano-second when reading the above to consider how a "wog" would read Karen's bolding/capitalizing of the word "MANUFACTURE".

That one word---all Karen had to do was to put it in quotes and we all knew that that seemingly innocent and inert word was represented by an entire lifetime of tricks & treachery.

They would be clueless. LOL

Only a battle tested veteran of Scientology wars would have the slightest clue that "manufacturing" is the basic basic in all of Scientology's wickedness.

Fair Game mandates that one must "manufacture" crimes for innocent people, with which to frame, bankrupt, destroy and send them to prison.

The book Dianetics was what Hubbard "manufactured" to steal money from others who were defrauded sufficiently to pay money to erase "manufactured" ruins called "engrams.

Every level on the "manufactured" Grade Chart leads to the non-existent "manufactured" states of Clear and OT.

On the positive side of things, cults like Scientology are forced to "manufacture" crimes on others in order to create black-ops or hate websites on them. However, ex-Scientologists don't need to manufacture anything in order to find Scientology's crimes. I appreciate Scientology in that way, for not devT'ing everyone with having to imagine and manufacture their obvious crimes. Their crimewave is clearly "exchange in abundance", lol.

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[HelluvaHoax!]

Where is Ron now?

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Wait, did you "MANUFACTURE" those?! LOL

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[Dotey OT]

Concerning this thread : Number of times over the data = Certainty and Results. Hey OSA guys, have you had a chance to read this thread?

If I couldn't laugh at all this I don't know where I would be!!

 

[ILove2Lurk]

There are literally tens of thousands of such moments . . . and they all have the identical origin, nature and tell---MIB*.

My final take on Hubbard and scientology. (And I even have a song to explain it all.)

I think the whole subject boils down to the manipulation and drilling of the imagination. Those with
the best imaginations did the best and their imaginations actually improved as they went along
in many cases.

Goes like this:

• Can you imagine [ fill in the blank ] in your mind's eye?
• Can you mock that up more solidly, distinctly and believably for yourself?
• I'll give you something else to imagine in your mind's eye.
• Can you mock that up more solidly, distinctly and believably for yourself?
• Can you juggle and hold in place many imaginary ideas, images and things I give you?
  (would include Marcab, space station 33, Venus implant station, space opera, etc.)
• Can you maintain those imaginary ideas and images for a long time? Maybe decades?
• I'll give you something else to imagine in your mind's eye.
• Can you keep that mocked up in your mind's eye for a very long time?

Many of the things Hubbard put out as "truth" and actuality really didn't exist, except
for him. He did a good job having us "imagine" along with him for a long time.

I can give credit where credit is due: my imagination improved greatly from my years
in scientology.

I was reminded of this because I watched a family movie on Christmas day: Gene WIlder
in Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory (1971). I thought this song was fitting. I certainly
lived in an imaginary world for a couple decades.

Humor me and listen. Tell me what you think.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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My final take on Hubbard and scientology. (And I even have a song to explain it all.)

I think the whole subject boils down to the manipulation and drilling of the imagination. Those with
the best imaginations did the best and their imaginations actually improved as they went along
in many cases.

Goes like this:

• Can you imagine [ fill in the blank ] in your mind's eye?
• Can you mock that up more solidly, distinctly and believably for yourself?
• I'll give you something else to imagine in your mind's eye.
• Can you mock that up more solidly, distinctly and believably for yourself?
• Can you juggle and hold in place many imaginary ideas, images and things I give you?
• Can you maintain those imaginary ideas and images for a long time? Maybe decades?
• I'll give you something else to imagine in your mind's eye.
• Can you keep that mocked up in your mind's eye for a very long time?

Many of the things Hubbard put out as "truth" and actuality really didn't exist, except
for him. He did a good job having us "imagine" along with him for a long time.

I can give credit where credit is due: my imagination improved greatly from my years
in scientology.

I was reminded of this because I watched a family movie on Christmas day: Gene WIlder
in Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory (1971). I thought this song was fitting. I certainly
lived in an imaginary world for a couple decades.

Humor me and listen. Tell me what you think.

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Great song, I never really listened to the lyrics until now! Perfect description of Scientology, thx!

Yes, the states of Clear & OT and the "Bridge" are all fully dependent on the development of one's imagination!

To quote another song, "...it was just my imagination, running away with me." [ LINK ]

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[TheSneakster]

And when Hubbard threw that little 4 year old boy in a dark chain locker where he cried hysterically for days ...

At 60 years of age, Ron Hubbard threw exactly zero people - of whatever age - into the chain locker, into the mud boxes or overboard.

This particular deed was unquestionable vile, but how is it that whenever a so-called critic relates this tale Hana Eltringham (Whitfield), then Apollo Master At Arms, and her two thug deputies names are left out of the story ? These are the people who actually committed these atrocities and you, Hoaxer, have given them a free pass and then on top of it, you (and certain other critics) lie every time you mention this as you just did above.

At Nuremberg, not one single Nazi got a free pass because "Hitler made me do it!". Every single member of the Apollo crew who knew about it, yet did nothing, is culpable. Some of them are highly respected anti-Scio critics now so I guess that absolves them of their part in the evils which took place under Ron Hubbard -- or under David "Darth Midget" Miscavige, when they served him. Isn't that how it really is around here ?

 

[Riddick]

My final take on Hubbard and scientology. (And I even have a song to explain it all.)

I think the whole subject boils down to the manipulation and drilling of the imagination. Those with
the best imaginations did the best and their imaginations actually improved as they went along
in many cases.

Goes like this:

• Can you imagine [ fill in the blank ] in your mind's eye?
• Can you mock that up more solidly, distinctly and believably for yourself?
• I'll give you something else to imagine in your mind's eye.
• Can you mock that up more solidly, distinctly and believably for yourself?
• Can you juggle and hold in place many imaginary ideas, images and things I give you?
• Can you maintain those imaginary ideas and images for a long time? Maybe decades?
• I'll give you something else to imagine in your mind's eye.
• Can you keep that mocked up in your mind's eye for a very long time?

Many of the things Hubbard put out as "truth" and actuality really didn't exist, except
for him. He did a good job having us "imagine" along with him for a long time.

I can give credit where credit is due: my imagination improved greatly from my years
in scientology.

I was reminded of this because I watched a family movie on Christmas day: Gene WIlder
in Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory (1971). I thought this song was fitting. I certainly
lived in an imaginary world for a couple decades.

Humor me and listen. Tell me what you think.

It's also called the sublime in philosophy:

Sublime (philosophy) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Hubbard tapped into the sublime by thinking we could go clear with perfect memory and then OT having cause over matter, energy, space and time, or MEST. Imagination.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Come with me and you'll be
In a world of pure imagination
Take a look and you'll see
Into your imagination
We'll begin with a spin
Traveling in the world of my creation
What we'll see will defy explanation​

Lyrics: Pure Imagination
from Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory

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[HelluvaHoax!]

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At 60 years of age, Ron Hubbard threw exactly zero people - of whatever age - into the chain locker, into the mud boxes or overboard.
This particular deed was unquestionable vile, but how is it that whenever a so-called critic relates this tale Hana Eltringham (Whitfield), then Apollo Master At Arms, and her two thug deputies names are left out of the story ? These are the people who actually committed these atrocities and you, Hoaxer, have given them a free pass and then on top of it, you (and certain other critics) lie ever time you mention this as you just did above. At Nuremberg, not one single Nazi got a free pass because "Hitler made me do it!".

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HELPFUL CLUE: Hubbard was the sociopath and pathological liar who invented the billion-year "galactic" sector-salvaging organization known as the Sea Org. Hubbard is the psychopath who invented the chain locker. Hubbard is the child abuser who ordered the small boy to be thrown into a dark cold terrorizing nightmarish chain locker, where he hysterically cried for extended periods.

Now you are worried about me lying? LOL. I had nothing to do with Hubbard's deviant degeneracy. I wasn't there. Now you are worried about Nuremberg and Nazis. I wasn't there either.

Get your shit together dude and stop trying to lamely protect the corrupt criminal and con man Hubbard that was running everything. If you are looking for liars, L. Ron Hubbard is your man!

Now you are absurdly upset with me for posting about Hubbard's child abuse? That is not only a joke, it's eerily reminiscent of Hubbard's scripture---where he talks about "anti-social" beings "attacking the wrong target". Something goes wrong in their life and then "they kick the cat".

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[HelluvaHoax!]

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posted by ILove2Lurk:
Lyrics: Pure Imagination - from Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory

Come with me and you'll be
In a world of pure imagination
Take a look and you'll see
Into your imagination
We'll begin with a spin
Traveling in the world of my creation
What we'll see will defy explanation

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lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

Whoa! An instant classic!

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[Karen#1]

I had posted this on the Stupid thread but it does deserve a repeat here>>>>

Here is some back story.
Putting it all on this thread for posterity.
I used to meet with Marty Rathbun secretly in 2010/2011 at the Hacienda Hotel at LAX. (Los Angeles Airport)
I chose this because the hotel takes up 2 full city blocks and has 25 different exits and entrances.

One one of these encounters Marty briefed me on the whole electric shock Emeter story.
It was an earthquake in my head for reasons listed above by HH.

~~~It was an earthquake in my head because for 35 years I had been taught that electric shock was the most EVIL o EVILS.
It scrambled the CASE. It scrambled the brain. It fused entities together forming vengeful clusters. In fact the whole of psychiatry was labelled wicked and immoral was mostly electric shocking clients as therapy. So to hear Hubbard wanted to use it to get rid of a virulent BT was an explosion then an implosion or every belief I had held.

A few weeks later after one of these Hacienda Hotel get-togethers, Marty called me to say he needed to visit Sarge in the mid west.
It was vital because Sarge was ill and his story needed to be taped and on record.
Marty wanted it for his book.
Marty asked would I pay for his air fare, his week's stay and give $1000 for Sarge ?
(Sarge was limping along financially. Remember, no matter how many years of service in the Sea Org, there is no pension, no 501K, no medical or health insurance, absolutely nothing.)
I agreed and paid.
So I am embroiled in this piece of history having funded it.
Time has since marched on... oh well

TOP SUPER-STUPID MOMENTS IN SCIENTOLOGY (PART V)

One hesitates to beat a dead horse. However-- can anyone answer this question? Why is a Sea Org naval uniformed officer riding a horse? LOL. In the military, horses are only used by the army. And the the last cavalry charge made on horseback was in 1942. (Sea Org on horses---Sea Horses?)...

exscn2.net

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I had posted this on the Stupid thread but it does deserve a repeat here>>>>

Here is some back story.
Putting it all on this thread for posterity.
I used to meet with Marty Rathbun secretly in 2010/2011 at the Hacienda Hotel at LAX.
I chose this because the hotel takes up 2 full city blocks and has 25 different exits and entrances.

One one of these encounters Marty briefed me on the whole electric shock Emeter story.
It was an earthquake in my head for reasons listed above by HH.

A few weeks later Marty called me to say he needed to visit Sarge in the mid west.
It was vital because Sarge was ill and his story needed to be taped and on record.
Marty wanted it for his book.
Marty asked would I pay for his air fare, his week's stay and give $1000 for Sarge ?
(Sarge was limping along financially. Remember, no matter how many years of service in the Sea Org, there is no pension, no 501K, no medical or health insurance, absolutely nothing.)
I agreed and paid.
So I am embroiled in this piece of history having funded it.
Time has since marched on... oh well

TOP SUPER-STUPID MOMENTS IN SCIENTOLOGY (PART V)

One hesitates to beat a dead horse. However-- can anyone answer this question? Why is a Sea Org naval uniformed officer riding a horse? LOL. In the military, horses are only used by the army. And the the last cavalry charge made on horseback was in 1942. (Sea Org on horses---Sea Horses?)...

exscn2.net

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Thanks for re-posting that critically poignant part of Scientology's history.

And thanks for funding it so that it was memorialized and captured for all to learn about!

If this was a game show and you had just spun the wheel for the final tie-breaking question, what would you answer?

HOW MUCH WOULD YOU ESTIMATE THAT MARK "MARTY" RATHBUN WAS PAID
FOR A HUSH MONEY SETTLEMENT TO CONVERT HIS SCIENTOLOGY WHISTLEBLOWING
BLOG INTO A FAIR GAME ATTACK OP THAT ATTACKED SCIENTOLOGY WHISTLEBLOWERS?​

If you feel less than "total certainty" you can "call a lifeline" to help you with the answer. I only charge a 10% fee (of your game show winnings) to provide the direct mobile phone numbers of persons who are knowledgeable (e.g. Miscavige, Monique Yingling, Rathbun's tax preparer, et al)

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[HelluvaHoax!]

TheSneakster said:
At 60 years of age, Ron Hubbard threw exactly zero people - of whatever age - into the chain locker, into the mud boxes or overboard.
This particular deed was unquestionable vile, but how is it that whenever a so-called critic relates this tale Hana Eltringham (Whitfield), then Apollo Master At Arms, and her two thug deputies names are left out of the story ? These are the people who actually committed these atrocities and you, Hoaxer, have given them a free pass. . .

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Thanks, great example of a LOGICAL FALLACY!

By your perverse logic, someone writing a book about Hitler's atrocities against children is "giving a free pass" to the millions of other Nazis by not writing books about each of them as well.

Sneakster, if you want to do some whistleblowing, go ahead. It's beyond bizarre that you BLAME OTHER POSTERS for not obeying your "command intention" of who they should write about and what they should write.

PRO TIP: You have reminded everyone countless times that you are an "Indie Scientologist". Try to remember that nobody else on this website is downlines on your command channel. Perhaps if you would wear a naval costume with heroic medals on it you would get more compliance. LOL

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[programmer_guy]

No, AFAIK, Hubbard did not himself throw anyone overboard when the Sea Org was in the Mediterranean Sea.
He just got other staffers to do his dirty work for him then he could deny it later.
That is my opinion on this item.

I don't know why this such a difficult thing for some to understand.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

No, AFAIK, Hubbard did not himself throw anyone overboard when the Sea Org was in the Mediterranean Sea.
He just got other staffers to do his dirty work for him then he could deny it later. That is my opinion on this item.

I don't know why this such a difficult thing for some to understand.

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REASON IT'S DIFFICULT FOR SOME TO UNDERSTAND: Because, it's manifestly unfair to criticize Ron just because others obeyed his orders. Per policy, they should have politely refused (while keeping in their Flag Order 38 manners tech in) and written an "ORDERS QUERY" and sent it uplines to, um-----uhhhh---to Ron, I guess. LOL.

I'll give another example of how to apply this datum. When I received an order from Osama Bin Laden to take flying lessons and later crash my plane into a New York skyscraper, I simply told him: "Hey fuck off, I'm already in another cult with Buddha!"

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[Karen#1]

L Ron Hubbard absolutely ORDERED the CLASS VIII overboards.

Class VIIIs that made even a minor auditing error were subject to this.
I will repeat Julia Salmen's story now (told previously on ESMB)

Julia Salmen, a dedicated Scientologist who was personal staff of Hubbard throughout the 1950s and much of the 1960s.
In the earlier *Red Volume* some technical bulletins were signed Julia Salmen. Her name was eliminated in later versions. Julia worked 60 hour weeks shadowing Hubbard to care for his needs.
There are briefing course tapes where Hubbard refers to her as Julia.
By the time the Class VIII Course was being given in 1968, Julia was on this new VIII course known as "the first Class VIII course which consisted in the main of daily 2 hour lectures. This is when an auditor error was punished by being thrown overboard.
The designated person had to jump or was hurled two and a half stories down, 30' or 9.2 meters into filthy harbor water sometimes with discharge of ship toilets.
When Hubbard saw the jumpers were not getting jolted enough he ordered their hands and feet tied before the jump and a week after that ordered blindfolds as well.
Each morning, the whole crew was required to be there, standing to attention, while the punishments were carried out.
Julia was in her 60s when it was her turn. Notwithstanding that she had been a senior Scientology Executive for decades, she was blindfolded, her hands and feet tied.
“She screamed all the way down.
“And when the sound stopped Hubbard looked interested for the first time and rushed two deck hands overboard to make sure she was ok and help her back on board.
“Had he not, I think Julia may have drowned.
She could not swim.
Julia Salmen departed the Apollo the very next day. She was done with all of Scientology. (Some of this story I got from Anne Greig, LRH Personal Librarian at St. Hill whom I lived with for 2 years RIP) It was corroborated by 2 other Class VIIIs who eye witnessed this.
It as error and misconception to believe that Miscavige implemented and was the original *CREATOR* of draconian punishments.