Revisiting OTVIII . . . what, again??!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Why did he and the other members of The Cabal sit on this information and not go public then? Seems like this was a pretty important revelation. Why kind of person knows the truth, yet reges for more money for "vapor-ware OT levels?" Should tell you all you need to know about the black hearts of Marty and some others.

I contend this pattern of deceit and fraud was a known thing among many on the "upper floors" for decades. Hence, The Cabal.

Just like the whole Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme and fraud was a known thing among many on his "upper floors" for decades.

I've written about this many times over the years. Why?

I will answer these questions
First and foremost the cult thinks in terms of MONEY. Hard cash. Sustainability means having new offerings because there is only a very limited flock of true believers to hit on for re-sign services.

In order to rope the true believers to give more and more money, there must be more OT levels to offer.
A decision was made at the highest echelon.
Make up *MANUFACTURE* new OT levels...but how ?

The study Hubbard's solo folders was combed and plucked and put together for a little trinket of this and that and market it as NEW OT level.
It is exactly what they did and I was briefed on some on this while I was still in from a tech insider.

OT 8 ~~ all versions there are 5 of them ~~were harvesting a question here and there that Hubbard had asked himself in solo auditing.

Because of the death rate, cancer rate, going Type 3 rate, after the cult's OT8, I think the cult has hit a pause button before more of this Hubbard solo folder titbits for OT 9 and OT 10.
 
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Perhaps my overly-nuanced point could be a bit too vague. I'll explain.

I contend that everyone on the "upper floors" -- the top SO management of Scientology -- saw a lot of stuff they weren't supposed
to see, read a lot of stuff they weren't supposed to read, and heard a hell of a lot during water cooler conversations over twenty years.

For example, Steve Hall wrote:

"One night, round about the year 2000 or so, we arrived in the CMO Int Conference room. COB came in followed by Marc Yager, CO CMO Int, and the other usual suspects like COB Secretary (Laurisse “Lou” Henley-Smith), ED Int (Guillaume Lesevre) etc."​

That night, Steve got to see the infamous "OT8 document" and discuss it in the open with the group.

"The Cabal" ran in a pack, lived together, and worked together for decades. Back in the early eighties, some of the top execs and members of The Cabal were: Marc Yager, Norman Starkey, Ray Mithoff, Mark Ingber, Greg Wilhere, Guillaume Lesevre, Marty Rathbun, among many others. You don't see or hear from them anymore.

Steve Hall, more of a worker-bee speech writer in marketing, got to read more revealing stuff, some of it by accident:
"Incidentally, I was also one of the lucky few who actually got to read Danny Sherman’s unpublished LRH biography which admitted that Hubbard had been married to two women at the same time and other such-like problematic issues, which poor Danny did his best to explain away."​
"For example, in the late 1990s I happened upon a paper copy of Hubbard’s damning “Affirmations” document of self-hypnosis from the late 1940s . . . ."​

That's what happens in a workplace. There are no secrets and rumors are unstoppable. You eventually hear about and learn about everything.

Now years ago, I listened to about twenty hours of Michael Flynn's (attorney in the Armstrong cases re: LRH's private papers) various talks from the early 80's about what he had read and uncovered regarding LRH. Flynn got to go over most all of LRH's personal papers with a fine-toothed comb and knew them cold. Many of the papers were in LRH's handwriting or signed by LRH.

I found some of the stuff Flynn talked about shocking to horrifying. I was still in a semi-believer state of mind. It's always a pretty bad day when you realize you've definitely wasted a large chunk of your youthful years following a fraud. A true dark night of the soul.

Well, many of LRH's secrets and crimes were out in the open and I've got to think most of The Cabal saw or heard about all those materials and knew much of the truth. But The Cabal soldiered on.

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The Cabal -- We had to cover up a hell of a lot over twenty
years to successfully amass $3 billion in our financial fraud.

Likewise, when LRH died from an assisted suicide -- don't say it wasn't -- there was a whole other layer of LRH reveals that surfaced and The Cabal learned about, discussed and had to cover up. This would include no OT8, which Mithoff had to invent, and no upper OT levels, which I wrote about in a post above. LRH's dementia and descent into madness. But The Cabal soldiered on.

I guess that's why I wrote my opening post. I thought Steve Hall provided a wonderful example of how the "word got around" and that the "upper floor" of Sea Org management all knew quite a lot and had to hide quite a lot.

Now here's just one example, a personal example, of what I mean.

In the early 90's, I got a letter on RTC letterhead (Marty Rathbun was head of RTC) asking me to prepay $32,000 [$65,000 in 2020 dollars] for a limitied-time-deal, discounted OT 9&10 package. However, Marty knew something I didn't.

By 1988, Marty along with Monique Yingling, Greg Whilhere, Miscavige, six armed PIs, and quite a few others had raided LRH’s former ranch at Newbury Springs -- their 3rd raid on Broeker haunts -- and absconded with a treasure trove of LRH’s auditing folders and research notes. Marty and the other senior execs would have, should have known by then (with total certainty I’m guessing) that OT 9 & 10 didn’t exist in any way, shape or form. Also, that the promises of the upper bridge were essentially unachieved, so essentially a fraud, and that LRH came to ignoble ending -- per anecdotes by witnesses and probably by folder inspection.

Who else was part of that raid and knew the “truth” at the time?

Why did he and the other members of The Cabal sit on this information and not go public then? Seems like this was a pretty important revelation. Why kind of person knows the truth, yet reges for more money for "vapor-ware OT levels?" Should tell you all you need to know about the black hearts of Marty and some others.

I contend this pattern of deceit and fraud was a known thing among many on the "upper floors" for decades. Hence, The Cabal.

Just like the whole Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme and fraud was a known thing among many on his "upper floors" for decades.

I've written about this many times over the years. Why?

One, I just can't imagine the mindset of someone who would learn the truth and not become a whistle-blower or at least not leave immediately.

I had two events come up in my scientology career that crossed the line for me. Both times, I stood firm, put a stake in the ground, and spoke truth to power. The second time is when I left for good. (Sorry, I can't say more without possibly identifying myself.)

Two, new people come by now and then and need to know about all this. Our passing parade of new folks checking in. Maybe they'll run across this thread. Maybe some will be saved from second-mortgaging their homes and having to pay it off for decades.

I'm OK. I got out early enough to rebuild a good life. I know others who haven't. It's a sad thing.
let's not forget about that Steve P guy, Hubbard's ranch hand who built the suicide e-meter. Steve finally comes out and says Hubbard told him he failed. No shit and WTF. Why didn't Hubbard say to Steve gather the folks, I want to tell them I failed, and they should move on.

Can you imagine what a shit storm that would be, everybody would want a refund.

Fuck you Hubbard, asshole. And that includes Int Management.
 
Perhaps my overly-nuanced point could be a bit too vague. I'll explain.

I contend that everyone on the "upper floors" -- the top SO management of Scientology -- saw a lot of stuff they weren't supposed
to see, read a lot of stuff they weren't supposed to read, and heard a hell of a lot during water cooler conversations over twenty years.

For example, Steve Hall wrote:

"One night, round about the year 2000 or so, we arrived in the CMO Int Conference room. COB came in followed by Marc Yager, CO CMO Int, and the other usual suspects like COB Secretary (Laurisse “Lou” Henley-Smith), ED Int (Guillaume Lesevre) etc."​

That night, Steve got to see the infamous "OT8 document" and discuss it in the open with the group.

"The Cabal" ran in a pack, lived together, and worked together for decades. Back in the early eighties, some of the top execs and members of The Cabal were: Marc Yager, Norman Starkey, Ray Mithoff, Mark Ingber, Greg Wilhere, Guillaume Lesevre, Marty Rathbun, among many others. You don't see or hear from them anymore.

Steve Hall, more of a worker-bee speech writer in marketing, got to read more revealing stuff, some of it by accident:
"Incidentally, I was also one of the lucky few who actually got to read Danny Sherman’s unpublished LRH biography which admitted that Hubbard had been married to two women at the same time and other such-like problematic issues, which poor Danny did his best to explain away."​
"For example, in the late 1990s I happened upon a paper copy of Hubbard’s damning “Affirmations” document of self-hypnosis from the late 1940s . . . ."​

That's what happens in a workplace. There are no secrets and rumors are unstoppable. You eventually hear about and learn about everything.

Now years ago, I listened to about twenty hours of Michael Flynn's (attorney in the Armstrong cases re: LRH's private papers) various talks from the early 80's about what he had read and uncovered regarding LRH. Flynn got to go over most all of LRH's personal papers with a fine-toothed comb and knew them cold. Many of the papers were in LRH's handwriting or signed by LRH.

I found some of the stuff Flynn talked about shocking to horrifying. I was still in a semi-believer state of mind. It's always a pretty bad day when you realize you've definitely wasted a large chunk of your youthful years following a fraud. A true dark night of the soul.

Well, many of LRH's secrets and crimes were out in the open and I've got to think most of The Cabal saw or heard about all those materials and knew much of the truth. But The Cabal soldiered on.

View attachment 7338
The Cabal -- We had to cover up a hell of a lot over twenty
years to successfully amass $3 billion in our financial fraud.

Likewise, when LRH died from an assisted suicide -- don't say it wasn't -- there was a whole other layer of LRH reveals that surfaced and The Cabal learned about, discussed and had to cover up. This would include no OT8, which Mithoff had to invent, and no upper OT levels, which I wrote about in a post above. LRH's dementia and descent into madness. But The Cabal soldiered on.

I guess that's why I wrote my opening post. I thought Steve Hall provided a wonderful example of how the "word got around" and that the "upper floor" of Sea Org management all knew quite a lot and had to hide quite a lot.

Now here's just one example, a personal example, of what I mean.

In the early 90's, I got a letter on RTC letterhead (Marty Rathbun was head of RTC) asking me to prepay $32,000 [$65,000 in 2020 dollars] for a limitied-time-deal, discounted OT 9&10 package. However, Marty knew something I didn't.

By 1988, Marty along with Monique Yingling, Greg Whilhere, Miscavige, six armed PIs, and quite a few others had raided LRH’s former ranch at Newbury Springs -- their 3rd raid on Broeker haunts -- and absconded with a treasure trove of LRH’s auditing folders and research notes. Marty and the other senior execs would have, should have known by then (with total certainty I’m guessing) that OT 9 & 10 didn’t exist in any way, shape or form. Also, that the promises of the upper bridge were essentially unachieved, so essentially a fraud, and that LRH came to ignoble ending -- per anecdotes by witnesses and probably by folder inspection.

Who else was part of that raid and knew the “truth” at the time?

Why did he and the other members of The Cabal sit on this information and not go public then? Seems like this was a pretty important revelation. Why kind of person knows the truth, yet reges for more money for "vapor-ware OT levels?" Should tell you all you need to know about the black hearts of Marty and some others.

I contend this pattern of deceit and fraud was a known thing among many on the "upper floors" for decades. Hence, The Cabal.

Just like the whole Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme and fraud was a known thing among many on his "upper floors" for decades.

I've written about this many times over the years. Why?

One, I just can't imagine the mindset of someone who would learn the truth and not become a whistle-blower or at least not leave immediately.

I had two events come up in my scientology career that crossed the line for me. Both times, I stood firm, put a stake in the ground, and spoke truth to power. The second time is when I left for good. (Sorry, I can't say more without possibly identifying myself.)

Two, new people come by now and then and need to know about all this. Our passing parade of new folks checking in. Maybe they'll run across this thread. Maybe some will be saved from second-mortgaging their homes and having to pay it off for decades.

I'm OK. I got out early enough to rebuild a good life. I know others who haven't. It's a sad thing.

Great post. Wish I had the answers.

I knew a few original (old version) OT8s in the SO. One used to chat with me.

She told me about the antiChrist thing, showed me a reference, but she saw it as Hubbard’s case at the time and didn’t take it seriously. She didn’t see Hubbard as a God or genius or anything like so many Scientologists see him now. She stuck with auditing because she was a great counselor and loved helping others and because she believed, despite Hubbard’s flaws, that her pc’s got gains.

It never occurred to her that the tech didn’t work but she navigated through the maze of crazy and contradictions of it anyway because she was an empathetic, caring person who was a natural counselor. It never occurred to her that she would do far more good as a professional counselor. She got in young and Scientology was her whole life. It was all she knew.

A lot of the original Class 8s and 12s stood up to management in the late 70s and early 80s. They did not believe the organization was above correction and the counseling is what mattered to them. They had some power for a while to help staff who were abused, but after DM, that stopped.

It was a Class 12 who interfered to help
get me off the RPF and let me leave when things were at their worst for me. I could have gone insane there - it was that bad.

The 8s and 12s were a different breed back then. Nearly all have since left.
 
I hope @Veda doesn't mind me reposting a comment he made on ESMB,
regarding his PMs with David Mayo. I thought it was one of the more hilarious.
things I'd ever read.
"According to Mayo, around 1980, when secretly meeting with Pat Broeker,​
Broeker excitedly handed him a copy of the "Jesus loved little boys" OT8.​
Mayo took it and later threw it in the trash."​
How insouciant! Lovely! :LOL:
 
I hope @Veda doesn't mind me reposting a comment he made on ESMB,
regarding his PMs with David Mayo. I thought it was one of the more hilarious.
things I'd ever read.
"According to Mayo, around 1980, when secretly meeting with Pat Broeker,​
Broeker excitedly handed him a copy of the "Jesus loved little boys" OT8.​
Mayo took it and later threw it in the trash."​
How insouciant! Lovely! :LOL:
Mayo also branched off and tried to start his own scientology group because DM had it all wrong. Mayo lacked funds and marketing power and lawyers. Mayo was a squirrel, LOL, according to Hubbard. LOL

Mayo eventually said more or less, he's done with the subject and pursued other interests.
 
Mayo also branched off and tried to start his own scientology group because DM had it all wrong. Mayo lacked funds and marketing power and lawyers. Mayo was a squirrel, LOL, according to Hubbard. LOL

Mayo eventually said more or less, he's done with the subject and pursued other interests.

This is a beautiful memorial page for David Mayo that Julie put together.
There is no mention whatsoever of Scientology.
 
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I will answer these questions
First and foremost the cult thinks in terms of MONEY. Hard cash. Sustainability means having new offerings because there is only a very limited flock of true believers to hit on for re-sign services.

In order to rope the true believers to give more and more money, there must be more OT levels to offer.
A decision was made at the highest echelon.
Make up *MANUFACTURE* new OT levels...but how ?

The study Hubbard's solo folders was combed and plucked and put together for a little trinket of this and that and market it as NEW OT level.
It is exactly what they did and I was briefed on some on this while I was still in from a tech insider.

OT 8 ~~ all versions there are 5 of them ~~were harvesting a question here and there that Hubbard had asked himself in solo auditing.

Because of the death rate, cancer rate, going Type 3 rate, after the cult's OT8, I think the cult has hit a pause button before more of this Hubbard solo folder titbits for OT 9 and OT 10.


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Never knew that the advanced-advanced OT level material was gleaned and "channeled" through necromancy via a random folder study and finding random questions Hubbard asked himself.

That is so weirdly stupid it's hard to believe. But on the other hand, I think that way of divining auditing questions for OT IX and OT X was quite perfect! Because, they focused directly in on Ron's most vital core audting question he repetitively ran on himself: "How can I make more money?"



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Likewise, when LRH died from an assisted suicide -- don't say it wasn't <snip>

I don't think it was.

1. First of all, he seems to have died because of his underlying medical conditions. Vistaril is a drug given to frantic, panicking, hysterical, confused and highly agitated people. Vistaril's job is to calm them down and reduce their anxiety basically. It is not an anesthetic or a suicide-drug.

2. Judging by the weird or obviously ghost-written documentation "coming from Hubbard" in the mid 80s, it strongly seems Hubbard was suffering from something like dementia or altzheimer disease. He probably was cognitively impaired to one degree or another and was not capable of making decisions for himself. So even if he was given some life-terminating drugs at the time, it would not be "assisted suicide" but rather "euthanasia of a demented old man".

Long story short: If Hubbard was in full command of his mental capacities and calmly decided to commit suicide.... then why the heck would he need to first sedate-himself with a mood altering drug used to treat psychotics and hysterical patients? And why would he have had the drug administered by an injection to the buttocks?
 
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By claiming that he was the Antichrist, Ron Hubbard identified himself as the central Biblical figure prophesied in the 2,000 year old book entitled The Revelation of St. John the Divine a/k/a The Book of Revelations.

In the book, the Antichrist declares himself to be God while seated in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. This act is called the the Abomination of Desecration and it culminates in the final Battle of Armageddon and the end of the world.

By claiming to be the prophesied Antichrist, Hubbard was attempting to do the same thing he had always done: Steal unearned laurels for himself. The fake war hero medals; fake Ph.D.; his fake claims to have been machine-gunned in Java by the Japanese while on a spy mission; his claim to have broken his back when he discovered the 75,000,000 year old trap and taped out the exact path, etc. The lies are too numerous to list here.

*****
Going earlier on the chain, Ron Hubbard claimed he was the prophesied Maitreya. He did this in The Hymn of Asia. Hubbard had some of his Sea Org people survey and test market the acceptance of Hubbard's claim that he was the end-of-days reincarnation of the Buddha, i.e. the Maitreya. This didn't quite work out. However, there developed a tacit understanding amongst Scientologists that Ron had been Buddha and had returned to perfect Buddhism in the form of Scientology.

In the 1950's Hubbard wrote that Scientology was the “watershed accomplishment of a 2,00-year-old goal.” In other words, L. Ron Hubbard succeeded in doing what Buddha could not do and that was to make a person a Clear. Hubbard’s absurd notion is that Scientology is not only the fulfillment of Buddhism but that it will take humanity far beyond Buddhism. Issue 81 of Ability Magazine made the following outrageous claims in 1958:

Just now it is enough to say that the State of Clear was envisioned 2,500 years ago by Gautama Sidhartha (sic) and was attained by a very few and then was seen no more. The state then was known as "Bhodi “since it was attained under a bhodi tree. Since then the tradition has grown dim. Man has sought to clear Man, first of demons, then of subconscious traumas.

Ron, with a whole new look at this, has brought about a state in Clear higher than that regarded by Gautama Sidhartha (sic) since it is achieved in not only one lifetime but in a few weeks and is available to all men, not just a few.

The implications are dizzying.

None have realised fully yet just what has happened - - the impact it can have on Earth is too great. 2, 500 years ago a handful of Clears civilised a half a billion people!

What if we were all CLEAR?

Operating Thetan has not before been known as a state of being on Earth. Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were O. T.'s according to the evidence. They were just a shade above Clear.

So be happy for a moment with Clear. After all, thousands of words of prediction in the 2,000-year-old Pali Canons of Buddhism tell how and where it would come to pass -- to wit -now, in the Western World -- by us, from Ron.

Look at the incredible narcissism of Hubbard: "Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were O. T.'s according to the evidence."

Hubbard’s towering egomaniacal pretensions to be the Savior the world required that he hijack Buddhism and make it nothing more than a failed subset of Scientology. When Hubbard wrote these pronouncements on Buddhism in 1958 – and he penned them as the anonymous “Editor” of the magazine in order to distance himself from his own egomania -- Buddhism was not well known in the West. Thus, Hubbard’s followers were as ignorant of what Buddhism taught as were the vast majority of Westerners.

*****
L. Ron Hubbard was big on Boy Scout merit badges, war medals, accolades, awards, etc. So in addition to being the Maitreya, why not claim to be the Antichrist on the way out of this life? This fit with his wish to dismiss Christianity as an R6 implant and replace it with Scientology.

Ron Hubbard overreached everywhere and on everything. Claiming to be the Western World's major prophesied Biblical figure was the matching bookend to his having claimed to be the Eastern World's prophesied Maitreya.
 
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I don't think it was.

1. First of all, he seems to have died because of his underlying medical conditions. Vistaril is a drug given to frantic, panicking, hysterical, confused and highly agitated people. Vistaril's job is to calm them down and reduce their anxiety basically. It is not an anesthetic or a suicide-drug.

2. Judging by the weird or obviously ghost-written documentation "coming from Hubbard" in the mid 80s, it strongly seems Hubbard was suffering from something like dementia or altzheimer disease. He probably was cognitively impaired to one degree or another and was not capable of making decisions for himself. So even if he was given some life-terminating drugs at the time, it would not be "assisted suicide" but rather "euthanasia of a demented old man".

Long story short: If Hubbard was in full command of his mental capacities and calmly decided to commit suicide.... then why the heck would he need to first sedate-himself with a mood altering drug used to treat psychotics and hysterical patients? And why would he have had the drug administered by an injection to the buttocks?

You haven't read enough of the firsthand accounts.

All the execs around him, including DM and Hubbard's doctor (Denk), took a vacation to Vegas on Hubbard's money and left Hubbard, who died. Denk was called back to help but alas, arrived too late to be effective. See report by Jesse Prince.

The only one left with him seemed to be his caregiver, Annie.

His will had been revised just shortly before he passed away.

The body was cremated so no second opinion could be offered. They sure took a LONG time to let members of COS know about it, too, and kept it out of the papers.

If it wasn't assisted suicide, there sure was a lot of highly questionable circumstantial evidence, but believe what you wish.
 
You haven't read enough of the firsthand accounts.

All the execs around him, including DM and Hubbard's doctor (Denk), took a vacation to Vegas on Hubbard's money and left Hubbard, who died. Denk was called back to help but alas, arrived too late to be effective. See report by Jesse Prince.

The only one left with him seemed to be his caregiver, Annie.

His will had been revised just shortly before he passed away.

The body was cremated so no second opinion could be offered. They sure took a LONG time to let members of COS know about it, too, and kept it out of the papers.

If it wasn't assisted suicide, there sure was a lot of highly questionable circumstantial evidence, but believe what you wish.
No, I see what you mean. But to me what you are suggesting still doesn't sound like "assisted suicide", because to me an "assisted suicide" is a situation where a person who has his/her mental capacities intact makes a decision to end his/her life.

What you seem to imply is either murder, or "euthanasia" of someone who had reduced mental capacities. Or maybe criminal neglect of a person with reduced mental capacities.


I dunno, maybe I simply didn't know Hubbard personally. But to me if someone wants to commit suicide, assisted or not, then you might want to ask for painkillers. Not for a mood-altering sedative drug administered by a shot to the buttocks.

To me that last part clearly looks like something out of a hospice care playbook where they deal with uncooperative or mentally incapacitated persons. To me the sedative buttocks shot implies that Hubbard didn't go along willingly with whatever was going on.
 
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This is a very comprehensive site with DOCS on Jeffrey's "Scientology Money Project"
The Church of Scientology’s Great Big Lie About the Death of Founder L. Ron Hubbard

 
By claiming that he was the Antichrist, Ron Hubbard identified himself as the central Biblical figure prophesied in the 2,000 year old book entitled The Revelation of St. John the Divine a/k/a The Book of Revelations.

In the book, the Antichrist declares himself to be God while seated in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. This act is called the the Abomination of Desecration and it culminates in the final Battle of Armageddon and the end of the world.

By claiming to be the prophesied Antichrist, Hubbard was attempting to do the same thing he had always done: Steal unearned laurels for himself. The fake war hero medals; fake Ph.D.; his fake claims to have been machine-gunned in Java by the Japanese while on a spy mission; his claim to have broken his back when he discovered the 75,000,000 year old trap and taped out the exact path, etc. The lies are too numerous to list here.

*****
Going earlier on the chain, Ron Hubbard claimed he was the prophesied Maitreya. He did this in The Hymn of Asia. Hubbard had some of his Sea Org people survey and test market the acceptance of Hubbard's claim that he was the end-of-days reincarnation of the Buddha, i.e. the Maitreya. This didn't quite work out. However, there developed a tacit understanding amongst Scientologists that Ron had been Buddha and had returned to perfect Buddhism in the form of Scientology.

In the 1950's Hubbard wrote that Scientology was the “watershed accomplishment of a 2,00-year-old goal.” In other words, L. Ron Hubbard succeeded in doing what Buddha could not do and that was to make a person a Clear. Hubbard’s absurd notion is that Scientology is not only the fulfillment of Buddhism but that it will take humanity far beyond Buddhism. Issue 81 of Ability Magazine made the following outrageous claims in 1958:



Look at the incredible narcissism of Hubbard: "Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were O. T.'s according to the evidence."

Hubbard’s towering egomaniacal pretensions to be the Savior the world required that he hijack Buddhism and make it nothing more than a failed subset of Scientology. When Hubbard wrote these pronouncements on Buddhism in 1958 – and he penned them as the anonymous “Editor” of the magazine in order to distance himself from his own egomania -- Buddhism was not well known in the West. Thus, Hubbard’s followers were as ignorant of what Buddhism taught as were the vast majority of Westerners.

*****
L. Ron Hubbard was big on Boy Scout merit badges, war medals, accolades, awards, etc. So in addition to being the Maitreya, why not claim to be the Antichrist on the way out of this life? This fit with his wish to dismiss Christianity as an R6 implant and replace it with Scientology.

Ron Hubbard overreached everywhere and on everything. Claiming to be the Western World's major prophesied Biblical figure was the matching bookend to his having claimed to be the Eastern World's prophesied Maitreya.
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Excellent!

From your post:


In the 1950's Hubbard wrote that Scientology was the “watershed accomplishment of a 2,00-year-old goal.” In other words, L. Ron Hubbard succeeded in doing what Buddha could not do and that was to make a person a Clear. Hubbard’s absurd notion is that Scientology is not only the fulfillment of Buddhism but that it will take humanity far beyond Buddhism. Issue 81 of Ability Magazine made the following outrageous claims in 1958:​
"Just now it is enough to say that the State of Clear was envisioned 2,500 years ago by Gautama Sidhartha (sic) and was attained by a very few and then was seen no more. The state then was known as "Bodhi “since it was attained under a bodhi tree. Since then the tradition has grown dim. Man has sought to clear Man, first of demons, then of subconscious traumas. Ron, with a whole new look at this, has brought about a state in Clear higher than that regarded by Gautama Sidhartha (sic) since it is achieved in not only one lifetime but in a few weeks and is available to all men, not just a few. The implications are dizzying. Operating Thetan has not before been known as a state of being on Earth. Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were O. T.'s according to the evidence. They were just a shade above Clear."

One can review the above facts and scientifically determine that Buddha only was able to create a half-assed Bridge that took him half-way up the Grade Chart to Clear--not Operating Thetan.

To wit, Buddha only made it to Bodhi but neglected to handle his BTs (Bodhi Thetans).

Dr. Hubbard, by contrast, rose to towering heights above Lord Buddha and Jesus Christ who "according to the evidence...were just a shade above Clear". Ron was so much more--not just a shade, but entirely shady! In fact Ron took total responsibility for all those blown Buddhists bogged on their Bridge by recovering them, with his newly discovered tech of Bodhi Routing!



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More than you need to know . . . :whistle:

Since it was brought up again . . . :coolwink:

Only for the hardcore . . . :LOL:

Mike Rinder says
February 3, 2017 at 12:29 pm

Oh, I believe him too. I knew Sarge and I spoke to him in person about this before it all became public knowledge. This devastated him. He was astonishingly loyal to Hubbard. And remained so even after all this. He felt bad about telling the truth as it made Hubbard into a mere mortal. I don’t doubt his words for a second. ANd they are NOT inconsistent with everything else that IS known.

nomnom says
February 3, 2017 at 12:48 pm

Mike, As an aside, Sarge said that Ray Mithoff gave LRH an end of life assist. Was Ray there when he died?

Mike Rinder says
February 3, 2017 at 12:52 pm

Yes

nomnom says
February 3, 2017 at 7:18 pm
Here are excerpts from an email exchange with Sarge and a friend (posted with permission):


Recollections from Steve ‘Sarge’ Pfauth who helped take care of and was present when LRH died.​
“I know that Gene Denk left during Xmas and New Years (Dec 1985-Jan 1986) to be with his wife in Lake Tahoe. He returned in early Jan.​
Ray Mithoff, who was Senior C/S Int, was brought in by Pat about a week before LRH’s passing to run a death assist process on LRH. LRH had had a stroke and wanted to die.​
Pat came back to the Creston ranch from Int a day before LRH left (died). Pat brought another last will for LRH to sign.​
I went in the Bluebird motorhome as a witness to the signing. LRH was in his nightgown and was pacing up and down complaining that his head hurt and to please get this over with. He sat down and signed the will and I witnessed it along with I think Annie.​
The next night Annie, Gene and I waited in the stables apartment drinking coffee and waiting to hear that he is gone. Pat and Ray were in the bluebird. About 3 or 4 am Pat came in and said ‘He is gone!’.I was stunned even though I knew it was going to happen. Annie looked stunned too. After a while we were both crying.​
Pat took off right away and met DM and others to show them how to get to the ranch. The coroner was called in when Pat returned. I was asked to witness the death cert and I saw LRH’s dead body in his bed. I had to get busy with feeding the animals and handling the contractors and got to the store and buy food etc.​
…​
LRH sent for Ray(Snr C/S) to run death assist processes which help to let go of the body. He had said that he wanted to leave and do rehab by circling a specific star. He was going to find another place to go to and not come back here (earth). He said he had failed with Scientology on this planet and he wanted to rehab and start over somewhere else.​
…​
I knew Vaughan Young. He was brought to the ranch by Pat Broeker to develope a shore story for newspapers and the Scn public. Much of what Vaughn wrote is fabrication and supposition. Please don’t take his rantings as fact. They are not.​
LRH was doing very well in 1983 and was very active and used to go for walks and drives around the property. In 1984 he had some physical problems and Gene Denk was brought to Creston as his doctor. He was still active much of the time in early 1984 but toward the end of 84 he was in bad health and didn’t leave the Bluebird often.​
Pat was gone from the ranch a lot starting in 84 and would only spend a few days a week then toward the end would be gone for weeks at a time. LRH was mad at him I know. I don’t know the specifics.​
In Jan of 1985 Annie came to me and said LRH was very sick. We tried to get hold of Pat but couldn’t. Gene insisted that LRH needed to go to the hospital. So Annie, Gene and myself loaded LRH into the back of our station wagon and Annie and Gene took LRH to the hospital in Santa Maria. Gene told me that LRH had pancreatitis and was very sick.​
Annie finally got hold of Pat. LRH spent about 5 days in the hospital and was released. Pat came to the ranch and we went to Santa Maria and picked LRH up and drove him home. During the time in the hospital LRH quit smoking. He came home but still wasn’t very active and stayed in the Bluebird motorhome a lot.​
LRH was in ill health most of 1985. Pat again was gone most of the time and would make an appearance in the middle of the night with some com or he would call and I would meet him to get the com. I don’t know and didn’t know at the time that he had had a stroke. I knew he was sick but I assumed it was the pancreatitis still bothering him.​
Again, LRH was in ill health and wanted to drop the body because it was a big problem for him. He wanted to move on. When he had Ray come to the ranch it was to help him drop the body via death assist processes. It worked and he died.​
LRH was bed ridden most of the last week or so. He could get up but was very shakey and his hands were shaking when he signed the will. LRH told me that there was a specific star that ‘they’ used to use for rehab. He would circle the star for a while and get better.”​


Footnote I . . .

20 January 1986 LRH Certificate of Religious Belief

Witnessed by Patrick D. Broeker, Anne M. Broeker, and Stephen J. Pfauth (signatures).

23 January 1986 LRH Will
The ninth article nominated and appointed Norman F. Starkey as the Executor of the will. Successor Executors were appointed in case of that this person would be unable or unwilling to perform this duty in the following order of priority: 1. Anne M. Broeker; 2. David Miscavige; and 3. Terri G. Gamboa.

This will is witnessed by Anne M. Broeker, Patrick D. Broeker, Stephen J. Pfauth, and Raymond Mithoff (signatures).

Footnote II . . .

The End of Life process is mentioned by Pat Broeker during the LRH Death Event on YouTube. Basically it's the circling a star bit, I believe, as mentioned above.

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I ran across this Underground Bunker article, while looking for something else.
It is just fascinating. Worth revisiting or worth a look if you haven't read it yet.

The writer, Steve Hall, is a very credible source. Made some intriguing reveals.
"Several years ago we came to the opposite conclusion, that the notorious document, which was used briefly by the Church of Scientology in 1988 before being abandoned, was actually intended by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard to be a shocking revelation to his followers that he considered himself the Antichrist. The church has called the document a hoax. But was it? Hall sent us this stunning account of how he ran into that document while he was working at Scientology’s secretive Int Base near Hemet, California — and that he also witnessed another contested work by Hubbard, the “Affirmations.” We knew you’d want to see his recollections!"​
Tony Ortega
More proof that L. Ron Hubbard really did want Scientologists to consider him the Antichrist

My takeaway, as always, was that everyone on the "upper floors" saw a lot of stuff they weren't supposed
to see and read a lot of stuff they weren't supposed to read. However, they toiled on despite knowing many
of the undeniable lies and ridiculous shore stories that got invented around the time of the early eighties
trials surrounding Hubbard's secret "personal papers" and then after his death.

How can one not see the lies when one is swimming in a river of lies? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

.

You are in really big trouble with INDIE SCIENTOLOGISTS! They are not going to like you saying those mean lies about the Commodore.

Look outside your window, I'd be surprised if a pack of protestors (raging Indies) isn't out there right now, screaming that Ron ain't done nuthin' wrong and it's all the fault of COB!!!

They actually paid me to come up with a chant and really loved this one:

WHAT DO WE WANT?

DEAD COBS!!!

WHEN DO WE WANT IT?

IN PRESENT TIME!

(I'm still working on that last line to get my rhyme-tech working)

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By claiming that he was the Antichrist, Ron Hubbard identified himself as the central Biblical figure prophesied in the 2,000 year old book entitled The Revelation of St. John the Divine a/k/a The Book of Revelations.

In the book, the Antichrist declares himself to be God while seated in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. This act is called the the Abomination of Desecration and it culminates in the final Battle of Armageddon and the end of the world.

By claiming to be the prophesied Antichrist, Hubbard was attempting to do the same thing he had always done: Steal unearned laurels for himself. The fake war hero medals; fake Ph.D.; his fake claims to have been machine-gunned in Java by the Japanese while on a spy mission; his claim to have broken his back when he discovered the 75,000,000 year old trap and taped out the exact path, etc. The lies are too numerous to list here.

*****
Going earlier on the chain, Ron Hubbard claimed he was the prophesied Maitreya. He did this in The Hymn of Asia. Hubbard had some of his Sea Org people survey and test market the acceptance of Hubbard's claim that he was the end-of-days reincarnation of the Buddha, i.e. the Maitreya. This didn't quite work out. However, there developed a tacit understanding amongst Scientologists that Ron had been Buddha and had returned to perfect Buddhism in the form of Scientology.

In the 1950's Hubbard wrote that Scientology was the “watershed accomplishment of a 2,00-year-old goal.” In other words, L. Ron Hubbard succeeded in doing what Buddha could not do and that was to make a person a Clear. Hubbard’s absurd notion is that Scientology is not only the fulfillment of Buddhism but that it will take humanity far beyond Buddhism. Issue 81 of Ability Magazine made the following outrageous claims in 1958:



Look at the incredible narcissism of Hubbard: "Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were O. T.'s according to the evidence."

Hubbard’s towering egomaniacal pretensions to be the Savior the world required that he hijack Buddhism and make it nothing more than a failed subset of Scientology. When Hubbard wrote these pronouncements on Buddhism in 1958 – and he penned them as the anonymous “Editor” of the magazine in order to distance himself from his own egomania -- Buddhism was not well known in the West. Thus, Hubbard’s followers were as ignorant of what Buddhism taught as were the vast majority of Westerners.

*****
L. Ron Hubbard was big on Boy Scout merit badges, war medals, accolades, awards, etc. So in addition to being the Maitreya, why not claim to be the Antichrist on the way out of this life? This fit with his wish to dismiss Christianity as an R6 implant and replace it with Scientology.

Ron Hubbard overreached everywhere and on everything. Claiming to be the Western World's major prophesied Biblical figure was the matching bookend to his having claimed to be the Eastern World's prophesied Maitreya.
I think what you wrote is way cool. But there is another piece to the puzzle. Hubbard learned to write rhetoric by his Dean Wilbur while in college at GWU, George Washington University. He took the course English Rhetoric.

Here is the book: English rhetoric : Wilbur, William Allen, 1864-1945 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

If you look at chapter 1, The Subject, 1. Definition, and 2. Personality, you'll see Wilbur mentions the Buddhist and the Christian. If you compare to hubbards words you can see were Hubbard got such ideas as you mention.

It's interesting to read the table of contents of the book and compare to scientology. I sort of can see how Dean Wilburs book can be a blueprint for hubbard's scientology among other things.

The reason why hubbard lied about his accomplishments was to create ethos pathos and logos, Ethos is about establishing your authority to speak on the subject, logos is your logical argument for your point and pathos is your attempt to sway an audience emotionally.

My tag line is more or less a logos appeal.
 
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By claiming that he was the Antichrist, Ron Hubbard identified himself as the central Biblical figure prophesied in the 2,000 year old book entitled The Revelation of St. John the Divine a/k/a The Book of Revelations.

In the book, the Antichrist declares himself to be God while seated in the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. This act is called the the Abomination of Desecration and it culminates in the final Battle of Armageddon and the end of the world.

By claiming to be the prophesied Antichrist, Hubbard was attempting to do the same thing he had always done: Steal unearned laurels for himself. The fake war hero medals; fake Ph.D.; his fake claims to have been machine-gunned in Java by the Japanese while on a spy mission; his claim to have broken his back when he discovered the 75,000,000 year old trap and taped out the exact path, etc. The lies are too numerous to list here.

*****
Going earlier on the chain, Ron Hubbard claimed he was the prophesied Maitreya. He did this in The Hymn of Asia. Hubbard had some of his Sea Org people survey and test market the acceptance of Hubbard's claim that he was the end-of-days reincarnation of the Buddha, i.e. the Maitreya. This didn't quite work out. However, there developed a tacit understanding amongst Scientologists that Ron had been Buddha and had returned to perfect Buddhism in the form of Scientology.

In the 1950's Hubbard wrote that Scientology was the “watershed accomplishment of a 2,00-year-old goal.” In other words, L. Ron Hubbard succeeded in doing what Buddha could not do and that was to make a person a Clear. Hubbard’s absurd notion is that Scientology is not only the fulfillment of Buddhism but that it will take humanity far beyond Buddhism. Issue 81 of Ability Magazine made the following outrageous claims in 1958:



Look at the incredible narcissism of Hubbard: "Neither Lord Buddha nor Jesus Christ were O. T.'s according to the evidence."

Hubbard’s towering egomaniacal pretensions to be the Savior the world required that he hijack Buddhism and make it nothing more than a failed subset of Scientology. When Hubbard wrote these pronouncements on Buddhism in 1958 – and he penned them as the anonymous “Editor” of the magazine in order to distance himself from his own egomania -- Buddhism was not well known in the West. Thus, Hubbard’s followers were as ignorant of what Buddhism taught as were the vast majority of Westerners.

*****
L. Ron Hubbard was big on Boy Scout merit badges, war medals, accolades, awards, etc. So in addition to being the Maitreya, why not claim to be the Antichrist on the way out of this life? This fit with his wish to dismiss Christianity as an R6 implant and replace it with Scientology.

Ron Hubbard overreached everywhere and on everything. Claiming to be the Western World's major prophesied Biblical figure was the matching bookend to his having claimed to be the Eastern World's prophesied Maitreya.

I wonder how much Hubbard was influenced (or copied) some of the famous guru's of the 1950's. Krishnamurti comes to mind.
 
More than you need to know . . . :whistle:

Since it was brought up again . . . :coolwink:

Only for the hardcore . . . :LOL:

Mike Rinder says
February 3, 2017 at 12:29 pm

Oh, I believe him too. I knew Sarge and I spoke to him in person about this before it all became public knowledge. This devastated him. He was astonishingly loyal to Hubbard. And remained so even after all this. He felt bad about telling the truth as it made Hubbard into a mere mortal. I don’t doubt his words for a second. ANd they are NOT inconsistent with everything else that IS known.

nomnom says
February 3, 2017 at 12:48 pm

Mike, As an aside, Sarge said that Ray Mithoff gave LRH an end of life assist. Was Ray there when he died?

Mike Rinder says
February 3, 2017 at 12:52 pm

Yes

nomnom says
February 3, 2017 at 7:18 pm
Here are excerpts from an email exchange with Sarge and a friend (posted with permission):


Recollections from Steve ‘Sarge’ Pfauth who helped take care of and was present when LRH died.​
“I know that Gene Denk left during Xmas and New Years (Dec 1985-Jan 1986) to be with his wife in Lake Tahoe. He returned in early Jan.​
Ray Mithoff, who was Senior C/S Int, was brought in by Pat about a week before LRH’s passing to run a death assist process on LRH. LRH had had a stroke and wanted to die.​
Pat came back to the Creston ranch from Int a day before LRH left (died). Pat brought another last will for LRH to sign.​
I went in the Bluebird motorhome as a witness to the signing. LRH was in his nightgown and was pacing up and down complaining that his head hurt and to please get this over with. He sat down and signed the will and I witnessed it along with I think Annie.​
The next night Annie, Gene and I waited in the stables apartment drinking coffee and waiting to hear that he is gone. Pat and Ray were in the bluebird. About 3 or 4 am Pat came in and said ‘He is gone!’.I was stunned even though I knew it was going to happen. Annie looked stunned too. After a while we were both crying.​
Pat took off right away and met DM and others to show them how to get to the ranch. The coroner was called in when Pat returned. I was asked to witness the death cert and I saw LRH’s dead body in his bed. I had to get busy with feeding the animals and handling the contractors and got to the store and buy food etc.​
…​
LRH sent for Ray(Snr C/S) to run death assist processes which help to let go of the body. He had said that he wanted to leave and do rehab by circling a specific star. He was going to find another place to go to and not come back here (earth). He said he had failed with Scientology on this planet and he wanted to rehab and start over somewhere else.​
…​
I knew Vaughan Young. He was brought to the ranch by Pat Broeker to develope a shore story for newspapers and the Scn public. Much of what Vaughn wrote is fabrication and supposition. Please don’t take his rantings as fact. They are not.​
LRH was doing very well in 1983 and was very active and used to go for walks and drives around the property. In 1984 he had some physical problems and Gene Denk was brought to Creston as his doctor. He was still active much of the time in early 1984 but toward the end of 84 he was in bad health and didn’t leave the Bluebird often.​
Pat was gone from the ranch a lot starting in 84 and would only spend a few days a week then toward the end would be gone for weeks at a time. LRH was mad at him I know. I don’t know the specifics.​
In Jan of 1985 Annie came to me and said LRH was very sick. We tried to get hold of Pat but couldn’t. Gene insisted that LRH needed to go to the hospital. So Annie, Gene and myself loaded LRH into the back of our station wagon and Annie and Gene took LRH to the hospital in Santa Maria. Gene told me that LRH had pancreatitis and was very sick.​
Annie finally got hold of Pat. LRH spent about 5 days in the hospital and was released. Pat came to the ranch and we went to Santa Maria and picked LRH up and drove him home. During the time in the hospital LRH quit smoking. He came home but still wasn’t very active and stayed in the Bluebird motorhome a lot.​
LRH was in ill health most of 1985. Pat again was gone most of the time and would make an appearance in the middle of the night with some com or he would call and I would meet him to get the com. I don’t know and didn’t know at the time that he had had a stroke. I knew he was sick but I assumed it was the pancreatitis still bothering him.​
Again, LRH was in ill health and wanted to drop the body because it was a big problem for him. He wanted to move on. When he had Ray come to the ranch it was to help him drop the body via death assist processes. It worked and he died.​
LRH was bed ridden most of the last week or so. He could get up but was very shakey and his hands were shaking when he signed the will. LRH told me that there was a specific star that ‘they’ used to use for rehab. He would circle the star for a while and get better.”​


Footnote I . . .

20 January 1986 LRH Certificate of Religious Belief

Witnessed by Patrick D. Broeker, Anne M. Broeker, and Stephen J. Pfauth (signatures).

23 January 1986 LRH Will
The ninth article nominated and appointed Norman F. Starkey as the Executor of the will. Successor Executors were appointed in case of that this person would be unable or unwilling to perform this duty in the following order of priority: 1. Anne M. Broeker; 2. David Miscavige; and 3. Terri G. Gamboa.

This will is witnessed by Anne M. Broeker, Patrick D. Broeker, Stephen J. Pfauth, and Raymond Mithoff (signatures).

Footnote II . . .

The End of Life process is mentioned by Pat Broeker during the LRH Death Event on YouTube. Basically it's the circling a star bit, I believe, as mentioned above.

:hattip:
1. The email attributed to Sarge suggests that 6 days after the stroke and just one day before he died Hubbard was in good enough shape to be " pacing up and down" and only "complaining that his head hurt" and that he apparently was of sound mind, enough to know that he's signing a will. Nothing about Denk or anyone else giving Hubbard mood stabilizing shots in the buttocks.

2. The coroner's report states that Hubbard's fingernails and toenails were "long and unkempt", and that there is "blue-red cyanosis present". Also "there is a bandaid affixed to the right gluteal area where 10 recent needle marks are recognized of 5-8 cm". The toxicology confirms that the drug was Vistaril.

Summary: To me these two documents present a very different picture. According to the coroner Hubbard's body is in a bad state, his nails are long, there's cyanosis and someone recently gave have him 10 injections in the right buttock. The substance injected was not a painkiller to help Hubbard because "his head hurt". Instead we know it was a mood stabilizer used to pacify frantic and hysterical patients.

The evidence in the coroner's report simply doesn't match with what is in the email attributed to Sarge. I'm going to go with the coroner's report and assume the Sarge email is either fake, or Sarge is lying.
 
No, I see what you mean. But to me what you are suggesting still doesn't sound like "assisted suicide", because to me an "assisted suicide" is a situation where a person who has his/her mental capacities intact makes a decision to end his/her life.

What you seem to imply is either murder, or "euthanasia" of someone who had reduced mental capacities. Or maybe criminal neglect of a person with reduced mental capacities.


I dunno, maybe I simply didn't know Hubbard personally. But to me if someone wants to commit suicide, assisted or not, then you might want to ask for painkillers. Not for a mood-altering sedative drug administered by a shot to the buttocks.

To me that last part clearly looks like something out of a hospice care playbook where they deal with uncooperative or mentally incapacitated persons. To me the sedative buttocks shot implies that Hubbard didn't go along willingly with whatever was going on.

I see what you mean. I think @ILove2Lurk used the term "assisted suicide" sort of tongue in cheek. From what I've heard, his death seemed planned by persons other than himself and he had little to nothing to do with Scientology administration for years.

At this point I can't really say what I've heard versus what was actually written by those who told the stories, but Hubbard was apparently extremely uncooperative in his final months - maybe final year or more - and Annie was the only one with the patience and tolerance to care for him. I heard nobody wanted to be near him because he was ranting and raging all the time. From what I know of Annie's character, she wouldn't have overdosed him, not even to calm him down.

I don't question Sarge's story, but since he wrote that decades later, he may have made some errors in the times different things occurred and there may have been a bit of unconsciously filling in missing details with things he was told by others. We ALL do that. It's how visual and other tricks work on us.

Sarge was TOLD Dr. Denk went to Lake Tahoe to be with his wife. Did they all go to Lake Tahoe gambling, or was it Vegas?

That final will makes me sick. The new DM and company Scn mgmt even organized to have him sign away his book commissions away from his family, wtf? After Hubbard stated repeatedly in SO many policies that the book commissions would belong to him personally. How greedy can you get?

The Hubbard kids as well as Mary Sue were screwed over. Not that they were the only ones, but I don't think a single one of them had it easy. Not even Diana, who was apparently Hubbard's favorite. Does she even play piano anymore? Does anyone even see her anymore, except once in a while, rarely at events to show she's still alive?

And where's Shelly?
 
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