Auditing effectiveness...Does it really work?

I have already tried CBT but it didnt help much. That's why i am looking into alternative therapies now. I am interested in EMDR but haven't been able to find a therapist who practices that. The kind of information i got on the internet about scientology was scary to say the least but the person who told me about dianetics is someone i trust with my heart and the auditor he referred me to, left scientology years ago. He told me that he has seen some people who went through a mental breakdown & could't even talk or walk properly and after a few months of auditing sessions they went back running and laughing. The thing is that, i have already tried conventional therapy where they made me go through the traumatic experiences over and over again and it didnt even help a bit. I told him about my experience too but he said if i did this with a professional auditor following the actual auditing procedure, the results would be different. I am not sure how and i dont just wanna waste more money only to find out later that its the exact same technique that psychotherapists use and that i've already tried out. So, I am a bit confused right now.
There is nothing magical about dianetic auditing. The auditor gets you to find an incident in your past then prompts you to go through it describing what happened. You will be asked to go over it numerous times and at some point you may be asked "Is there an earlier similar incident?". If so, then you start going over that incident numerous times. The auditor is hoping that at some point you have a realization about the incident and then the session will end. So if you've already gone over these experiences in conventional therapy it is unlikely you would benefit from dianetics, in my opinion. Unless of course the other therapies didn't address the earlier similar aspect.

Most of us who were in scientology go through several phases after leaving. The first phase is to still believe Hubbard was a genius and the tech works perfectly but the organization has gone bad. The second phase is to find out Hubbard was a liar and the tech may or may not work but it is certainly not what Hubbard claimed it to be. It sounds like your friend still believes in Hubbard and the tech therefore he/she should not be considered a reliable person to offer advice on the subject. Scientology is a cult and anyone who was involved in it has been subjected to a form of mind control. Some of us get out of it totally but some only get out partially. Please bear this in mind when talking to your friend and/or the auditor being recommended.
 
Thanks a lot everyone :) I couldn't reply earlier coz i got a little busy with work and honestly i wasn't expecting so many people to respond. I thought i would probably get a few responses in a few weeks time; kind of a typical response from a chronic negative thinker, i guess. Anyhow, I've read all of your comments and found them quite informative. Some of the comments posted by @Glenda ,@Type4_PTS & @Helena Handbasket were profoundly detailed and helpful. Those are some really good suggestions and guiding principles you guys mentioned there (y)

Just to give you guys a clear picture of where i am coming from, I have already gone down the conventional medicine route and I feel the same about psychiatry as you guys do about scientology. The big fancy degrees and the coveted rigorous training that doctors boast about dont usually do much good when they dont have a damn clue as to how do the drugs work inside the body. All the so-called studies are funded by the pharmaceutical companies themselves and none of those studeis actually consider the long term effects of these drugs. And the thing i dislike the most is the lack of transparency. Most of the doctors wont share with you even the well-established documented side effects of these drugs, neither do they talk about their addictive nature and the horrible withdrawal effects you experience when you finally decide to quit taking the drugs. And their diagostic manual (dsm-5) seems like a total scam coz they dont really have any tests whatsoever to diagnose a person of a particular mental condition. Its quite probable that the side effects you get from a psych drug will give you new symptoms which will later be diagnosed by the exact same doctor as a new mental illness. So, one ought to be prepared to have their diagnosis changed multiple times through their treatment. Its a pretty shady practice if you ask me.

I have also attended conventional therapy sessions for a considerable amount of time. There were parts of CBT that i found helpful but it wasn't really a solution to my problems rather a managing tool and it wasn't helpful in dealing with my childhood traumas. It did help with OCD and general anxiety to some extent though. I also got to learn about some useful relaxation techniques like body scan, visual imagery, progressive muscle relaxation, breathing exercises etc.

Having said that, i kinda have been practicing some of the CBT techniques since i was a kid to survive the abuse. To me they have merely been common sense approaches to dealing with pain & suffering. I would often close my eyes and go to my happy place just to run away from the reality and i would feel ecstatic and calm. I would also go on walks and look at flowers, trees and everything around with focused attention. It would often stop the negative rut in my head and calm me down but it has a downside to it as well. I now suffer from something commonly referred to as depersonalization. I dont feel grounded in my body rather i feel like i am someone else watching me from behind or above, if it makes any sense. Also, i seem to have lost control over my thoughys. I find myself inadvertently drifting to what i would call vivid daydreams. Its quite annoying to say the least.

A few guys here mentioned exercise and diet. They are indubitably helpful in alleviating stress and improving mental health and i had been using exercise as a coping mechanism my entire life, to the point of addiction i must add but unfortunately i cant anymore coz of fibromyalgia (a pain disorder). I have been trying to ignore my emotional problems since forever and have been living as a goal-driven perfectionist junkie just to find a way to mask my feelings and look for the next dopamine hit which i would get by exercising or completing projects or solving puzzles etc. etc. and there comes a point in your life when your body says 'NO' for you. One thing that i've learned in my life is that if you aren't at peace with yourself, even seemingly safe and healthy activities could become addictive. Or may be its the OCD, i am not sure. My OCD is quite different from the typical 'washing your hands' or 'checking the doors' over and over again kind of behavioral patterns. When i am working on a project, for example, i get obsessed with completing it and cant stop thinking about it even when i am not working on it. When i go to bed, i keep thinking about what i am gonna do tomorrow and the day after tomorrow and so on even though i make a list of planned activities beforehand.

I think i am gonna use multiple therapies to address different issues as suggested by @Type4_PTS . And i am probably gonna start with an EFT based therapy. Have found someone who is a Master EFT & NLP practitioner. She specializes in trauma. So, looks like a good fit. Also thinking about visiting a neurofeedback therapist to deal with my drug withdrawals. Will combine the CBT techniques that i found helpful as well. Let's see how it goes!
 
There is nothing magical about dianetic auditing. The auditor gets you to find an incident in your past then prompts you to go through it describing what happened. You will be asked to go over it numerous times and at some point you may be asked "Is there an earlier similar incident?". If so, then you start going over that incident numerous times. The auditor is hoping that at some point you have a realization about the incident and then the session will end. So if you've already gone over these experiences in conventional therapy it is unlikely you would benefit from dianetics, in my opinion. Unless of course the other therapies didn't address the earlier similar aspect.

Most of us who were in scientology go through several phases after leaving. The first phase is to still believe Hubbard was a genius and the tech works perfectly but the organization has gone bad. The second phase is to find out Hubbard was a liar and the tech may or may not work but it is certainly not what Hubbard claimed it to be. It sounds like your friend still believes in Hubbard and the tech therefore he/she should not be considered a reliable person to offer advice on the subject. Scientology is a cult and anyone who was involved in it has been subjected to a form of mind control. Some of us get out of it totally but some only get out partially. Please bear this in mind when talking to your friend and/or the auditor being recommended.


Yeah i was thinking along the same lines. The only point of concern for me was that there might be something unique in the dianetics 'Tech', for instance the exact procedure they follow or the commands/suggestions they make during the session that might have some 'magical healing powers'. But thanks to everyone here who made it blatantly clear that i should stay away from dianetics and anything related to scientology. Thanks again guys (y)

Why do u guys still use the word 'tech' to refer to dianetics? It doesn't seem like an auditing session entail anything super-scientific. Its just talking about the same thing over and over again. What exactly was it that you guys found so fascinating about it that pulled you in? Just curious!
 
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Just to give you guys a clear picture of where i am coming from, I have already gone down the conventional medicine route and I feel the same about psychiatry as you guys do about scientology. The big fancy degrees and the coveted rigorous training that doctors boast about dont usually do much good when they dont have a damn clue as to how do the drugs work inside the body. All the so-called studies are funded by the pharmaceutical companies themselves and none of those studeis actually consider the long term effects of these drugs. And the thing i dislike the most is the lack of transparency. Most of the doctors wont share with you even the well-established documented side effects of these drugs, neither do they talk about their addictive nature and the horrible withdrawal effects you experience when you finally decide to quit taking the drugs. And their diagostic manual (dsm-5) seems like a total scam coz they dont really have any tests whatsoever to diagnose a person of a particular mental condition. Its quite probable that the side effects you get from a psych drug will give you new symptoms which will later be diagnosed by the exact same doctor as a new mental illness. So, one ought to be prepared to have their diagnosis changed multiple times through their treatment. Its a pretty shady practice if you ask me.

I totally agree with this. I rarely take any medication, but my husband does. He has been prescribed things that the doctor was not only oblivious to the side effects of, there was no consideration for how they would interact with other medications he was prescribed.

Fortunately he does his own research when he gets a prescription and isn't afraid to challenge the doctor.

I really think that doctors believe that knowledge about medications, side effects and interactions are the job of the pharmacist and not their problem.
 
I totally agree with this. I rarely take any medication, but my husband does. He has been prescribed things that the doctor was not only oblivious to the side effects of, there was no consideration for how they would interact with other medications he was prescribed.

Fortunately he does his own research when he gets a prescription and isn't afraid to challenge the doctor.

I really think that doctors believe that knowledge about medications, side effects and interactions are the job of the pharmacist and not their problem.
Remember that pill you take may kill you. In medicine it is always benefit vs risk. I tend to agree with Lulu Belle in that I try not to take a lot of medicines but if I think the risk acceptable for the benefit I will and I am in the medical field.

I really dont think you get out of auditing that you could get out of sitting down with a friend and having a heart to heart discussion. You want to talk about risks, auditing and /or psychoanalysis has many potential side affect also. Many of them unintended consequences. At least with medicines the Dr usually knows how to deal with the side affects if they do come up but not so in auditing. I think the stories you hear about in Scn, like Lisa Mcpherson are the result of these unintended consequences and their lack of ability to handle them. i feel I would have been driven totally insane if I had kept doing what Scn wanted me to do.

MAQ you just need to learn how to let go and have fun. I know easier said than done. I will say I think the auditing did help me some on this. I shouldn't really say the auditing did I guess, it was the self reflection afterwards trying to repair the damage done by it that helped. It would be so much better to skip the auditing step in this.
 
I have already tried CBT but it didnt help much. That's why i am looking into alternative therapies now. I am interested in EMDR but haven't been able to find a therapist who practices that. The kind of information i got on the internet about scientology was scary to say the least but the person who told me about dianetics is someone i trust with my heart and the auditor he referred me to, left scientology years ago. He told me that he has seen some people who went through a mental breakdown & could't even talk or walk properly and after a few months of auditing sessions they went back running and laughing. The thing is that, i have already tried conventional therapy where they made me go through the traumatic experiences over and over again and it didnt even help a bit. I told him about my experience too but he said if i did this with a professional auditor following the actual auditing procedure, the results would be different. I am not sure how and i dont just wanna waste more money only to find out later that its the exact same technique that psychotherapists use and that i've already tried out. So, I am a bit confused right now.

Yeh, most of us were unfortunately recruited by those we trusted. They didn't mean to harm us, but they heard tall tales and spread those tall tales and didn't know any better. I worked full time at the Advanced Organization of Scientology for years and saw thousands of Scientologists doing services and never saw any miracles like that, but people tell stories. Some just chronically fib or exaggerate for effect. Why don't you ask for the person's name and any documentation of these miracles?

Scientology is expensive in terms of time, money and giving up your personal life and goals to dedicate yourself to it. If you are willing to commit the next 8-15 years of your life and $300,000 - $500,000 into Scientology to find out if it will work (when you are finally done with all its levels, because you will always be told that what is wrong with you will be handled "on the next level") because you trust your friend, would you be equally as willing to commit that much time, dedication and energy to improving with other methods? You wouldn't have to do so with CBT or EMDR; they only cost a fraction of that and if you have an actual mental illness, most governments will cover the counseling for those who cannot afford it.
 
Yeah i was thinking along the same lines. The only point of concern for me was that there might be something unique in the dianetics 'Tech', for instance the exact procedure they follow or the commands/suggestions they make during the session that might have some 'magical healing powers'. But thanks to everyone here who made it blatantly clear that i should stay away from dianetics and anything related to scientology. Thanks again guys (y)

Why do u guys still use the word 'tech' to refer to dianetics? It doesn't seem like an auditing session entail anything super-scientific. Its just talking about the same thing over and over again. What exactly was it that you guys found so fascinating about it that pulled you in? Just curious!
We call it the tech because it isn't just sitting down with a person and talking about their past. There is much more to it that an auditor has to learn. The auditing room has to be set up in a certain way, the session is started and ended with specific patter and you are trained to be able to deal with anything that may happen in the session. This is all known as "the tech".

As to what pulled us in - well it's probably different for everyone but one common theme is that Hubbard lied about what dianetics and scientology can achieve and we believed him.
 
We call it the tech because it isn't just sitting down with a person and talking about their past. There is much more to it that an auditor has to learn. The auditing room has to be set up in a certain way, the session is started and ended with specific patter and you are trained to be able to deal with anything that may happen in the session. This is all known as "the tech".

As to what pulled us in - well it's probably different for everyone but one common theme is that Hubbard lied about what dianetics and scientology can achieve and we believed him.
In my scientology experience which ended in 1982 there was a demand for excellence across the organization. As an auditor I was dealing with a person's mind and innermost thoughts and feelings and I took my job seriously. Others in different times and places experienced the crazy which I didn't.
 
Same here, I had personal encounters with psychs and knew about lots of abused cases first hand. Thank you for sharing your experience and I am glad to see that a number of people here did go see someone and found it beneficial. ;)
My therapist was really cool. I made her laugh and laugh and laugh to the point she had to stop me and apologize for laughing. the 'hour' would go by so fast. I didn't mind. It makes me happy to make people laugh.
 
My therapist was really cool. I made her laugh and laugh and laugh to the point she had to stop me and apologize for laughing. the 'hour' would go by so fast. I didn't mind. It makes me happy to make people laugh.
The only time I've ever met any kind of counsellor/psychologist was after the shooting I mentioned in another post yesterday. The company I worked for told me to take as much time off work as I needed until I'd got my head back together after the incident (which for a huge multinational company was quite extraordinary I thought) and they also paid for said counsellor. She was South African and had to stop me every five minutes because I'd say something like 'Well, Cynthia started shooting and everybody hit the deck' and she'd say 'What does that mean 'hit the deck'' and I'd say ' Lay on the floor' and so it went on. I took a couple of weeks off and spent the entire time in my flat listening to 'Amused To Death' which had just come out. The South Africans (who are quite a religious lot really) were all convinced it was the will of god that I'd survived the way I did but I was having none of it. No karma involved, it was just a roll of the dice.
 
The only time I've ever met any kind of counsellor/psychologist was after the shooting I mentioned in another post yesterday. The company I worked for told me to take as much time off work as I needed until I'd got my head back together after the incident (which for a huge multinational company was quite extraordinary I thought) and they also paid for said counsellor. She was South African and had to stop me every five minutes because I'd say something like 'Well, Cynthia started shooting and everybody hit the deck' and she'd say 'What does that mean 'hit the deck'' and I'd say ' Lay on the floor' and so it went on. I took a couple of weeks off and spent the entire time in my flat listening to 'Amused To Death' which had just come out. The South Africans (who are quite a religious lot really) were all convinced it was the will of god that I'd survived the way I did but I was having none of it. No karma involved, it was just a roll of the dice.

Well I'm glad the dice rolled in your favor. ;)
 
Well I'm glad the dice rolled in your favor. ;)
Nice of you to say so. As a matter of fact the sequence of events that led up to my escaping being shot in the stomach at point blank range that night is quite mindblowing from my point of view . She pointed the gun at my midriff and pulled the trigger but had forgotten to cock the gun so there was no bullet in the chamber. I simply walked past her after telling her I wasn't amused that she was messing around with what I thought was an empty gun. The next thing that happened is that she shot the guy behind me (we were going up a flight of stairs and she was coming down). That's how close I came to not being here writing this post today.
 
The Independents are such a minute, TINY, infinitesimal, incalculably small part of Scientology and Scientologists that I feel it is discussed way out of proportion to the who, what, when, where, how and what CRIMES are being committed here and now.

I stay focused on the cult. Diverting off the cult into some nondescript, non effective label does nothing to expose the rogue cult and is simply off track and a diversion of where I want to put my attention.

Independents come and go. It is a soft landing and many wake up after learning more, reading more, experiencing Fair Game and watching Leah Remini and the Aftermath !
I disagree. I've watched scientologists use message boards (ESMB, OCMB, Scientology Kids, WWP) for years now ksw promoting scientology trying to suck people into their cult. Their predatory behavior is imo worthy of concern.
 
I disagree. I've watched scientologists use message boards (ESMB, OCMB, Scientology Kids, WWP) for years now ksw promoting scientology trying to suck people into their cult. Their predatory behavior is imo worthy of concern.
Any True Believers who post on ESMB and now ESMBR with claims about Scientology get jumped on pretty thoroughly here. Everything they say gets challenged and debunked -- so, I don't think there is reason for concern.
 
I disagree. I've watched scientologists use message boards (ESMB, OCMB, Scientology Kids, WWP) for years now ksw promoting scientology trying to suck people into their cult. Their predatory behavior is imo worthy of concern.
For the most part it seems to me that the indys here do what religions are supposed to. That is they spread their "word" and say it is the way to "salvation" but are not hard sell. I really have no quarrel with them. I practice a live and let live philosophy . Really I put the official COS right in there with the likes of fundamental Islam. It forces you into it's beliefs by force with the alternative physical death. Scn manipulates you mentally and some what physically with the result often a spiritual death. One could argue Scn is worse.

Remember there is more than one road to heaven.
 
For the most part it seems to me that the indys here do what religions are supposed to. That is they spread their "word" and say it is the way to "salvation" but are not hard sell. I really have no quarrel with them. I practice a live and let live philosophy . Really I put the official COS right in there with the likes of fundamental Islam. It forces you into it's beliefs by force with the alternative physical death. Scn manipulates you mentally and some what physically with the result often a spiritual death. One could argue Scn is worse.

Remember there is more than one road to heaven.
We've had fifty years or so to come to the conclusion that dianetics and scientology are bogus 'sciences' or 'religions' and that their practises are of little or no benefit to anyone, and furthermore, that the vast sums of money followers are asked to pay amounts to little more than fraud. So whether you're a member of the CofS or the Freakzone, you are pushing to the same worthless 'technology'. Why should I allow this to happen here or 'live and let live' as you put it?

By the way, I don't believe in 'Heaven', either Hubbard's version or any other.
 
We've had fifty years or so to come to the conclusion that dianetics and scientology are bogus 'sciences' or 'religions' and that their practises are of little or no benefit to anyone, and furthermore, that the vast sums of money followers are asked to pay amounts to little more than fraud. So whether you're a member of the CofS or the Freakzone, you are pushing to the same worthless 'technology'. Why should I allow this to happen here or 'live and let live' as you put it?

By the way, I don't believe in 'Heaven', either Hubbard's version or any other.
So I assume you put all religions in the Scn category?

You will totally condemn someones beliefs if they don't align with your own?
 
So I assume you put all religions in the Scn category?

You will totally condemn someones beliefs if they don't align with your own?
I can't see where in my post I'm inferring that I put all religions in the Scn category. I don't subscribe to any organised religion in any shape or form.

If someone is promoting scientology or any of its variants I don't condemn them but I will do my best to deter them from pushing their beliefs here. There's a difference between discussion and proselytising.
 
I can't see where in my post I'm inferring that I put all religions in the Scn category. I don't subscribe to any organised religion in any shape or form.

If someone is promoting scientology or any of its variants I don't condemn them but I will do my best to deter them from pushing their beliefs here. There's a difference between discussion and proselytising.
I am a cynic of organized religion too, thanks to Scn. I may not being fair on this.

There is a fine line which is hard to define in what you say about expression of beliefs.

I even have some mixed emotions about the loss of tax exemption to Scn. My worry is that it sets a bad precedent about what is tolerated or what beliefs are tolerated and those that are not. I am not saying they deserve it now! The first amendment was not to protect popular speech and ideas

I am not so sure . I am not for doing away with all tax exempt charitable donations and reducing the tax rate at the same time.
 
It wasn't scientology that turned me against organised religion, I'm not a very 'spiritual' person and I don't subscribe to any of the creation myths or the existence of 'Gods' found in 'mainstream' religions.

If people want to discuss scientology 'tek' that's up to them, and if they've derived some benefit from it that's all well and good, but my personal opinion is that it's a crock and discussing the pros and cons of it all is a waste of time, since very little of it is of any real value IMO.

I'm sure that some members of some churches do good in the community and deserve some financial benefits, but as far as the CofS is concerned they are obtaining their tax exemption by deception, and the sooner it's reversed the better.
 
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