1977 scientologist, in the independent field since 2005.

[Cuitlahuac Rivas]

I am a scientologist since 1977.

In the year 2005 I came to the independent field. In the year 2014 I created several Free Scientology groups, including the one on Ethics.

 

[PirateAndBum]

Thanks for the info.

Are you the author of that ethics script you posted on Justin?

 

[Irayam]

I am a scientologist since 1977.

In the year 2005 I came to the independent field. In the year 2014 I created several Free Scientology groups, including the one on Ethics.

And are you an ex-scientologist now?

 

[Cuitlahuac Rivas]

Thanks for the info.

Are you the author of that ethics script you posted on Justin?

Yes. I am.

 

[Cuitlahuac Rivas]

And are you an ex-scientologist now?

No. I keep being a scientologist, but not a churchie.

 

[stratty]

No. I keep being a scientologist, but not a churchie.

How does it feel to be a follower of a mendacious and narcissistic con man who lied to his followers about his war-record, abused his wives, threatened to kill one of his own children, engaged in satanic rituals, constantly turned against anyone who threatened to steal his limelight, started a fake religion because that was where the money was to be made, invented a make-believe science fiction world complete with evil ruler and convinced people it was real and eventually died in hiding from the police in a Bluebird motorhome with his ass full of Vistaril. You must be so proud of him.

 

[Cuitlahuac Rivas]

How does it feel to be a follower of a mendacious and narcissistic con man who lied to his followers about his war-record, abused his wives, threatened to kill one of his own children, engaged in satanic rituals, constantly turned against anyone who threatened to steal his limelight, started a fake religion because that was where the money was to be made, invented a make-believe science fiction world complete with evil ruler and convinced people it was real and eventually died in hiding from the police in a Bluebird motorhome with his ass full of Vistaril. You must be so proud of him.

And what do you follow stratty?

You at least pay taxes and your taxes support agendas. Which are those?

Even if you don't pay taxes and you follow yourself, then are you a model of honesty and purity? Let us know please of your virtuous life.

 

[Lee #28]

I don't think members here want an Ethics Officer....or MAA...just now.

You should talk to freethinker, Maybe he can answer your questions....

 

[Cuitlahuac Rivas]

I don't think members here want an Ethics Officer....or MAA...just now.

You should talk to freethinker, Maybe he can answer your questions....

I'm sure many won't want the subject of Ethics here. Specially the intell plants. But even wog justice has jurisdiction over this forum.

I am sure the basic rules for discussion here are some form of moral code.

 

[Lee #28]

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( forgot to insert your quote from above here...)


We really don't discuss much of L. Ron's technology here at all....

I don't know what would happen if you started a Thread to discuss Scientology Ethics....

I guess some of us are trying to figure out why you wrote that Report....? Or if you are kidding.

And the "wog justice" statement.....I don't know what to think of that.

Moral Codes here....? I don't know about that either.

Indie Scientology is not much discussed here, if at all....

Some make posts about it once in a while....if something interesting happens.

 

[Veda]

I am a scientologist since 1977.

In the year 2005 I came to the independent field. In the year 2014 I created several Free Scientology groups, including the one on Ethics.

Link to 1977.

That was the year after prices started rising monthly, and the year of the HCOB LSD, Years after they have come off of, and the Sweat Program, and the HCOB Jokers and Degraders.

Then came the redefinition down of Clear, with "Dianetic Clear," Link to David Mayo's 1989 article on Clear, and the butchering of the middle Grade Chart, followed by the elimination of the recycled Rosicrucianism upper levels, and their replacement with yet more levels preoccupied with "fleas."

The year you got in is the year I got out, although I didn't formally resign my membership until 1983.

What did you think when Senior Case Supervisor, David Mayo, was declared an SP?

Soon after I first visited the New York Org in 1969, I learned that the world's first real Clear, John McMaster, had just been declared an SP.

I should have suspected something was wrong immediately, but I was impressed with Hubbard's books, and with the Incredible String Band being members, so I just slid over it.

Performed just before the ISB's Scientology involvement

Involvement with Scientology, at first, helped the Incredible String Band,
then began to harm them, as they started self-censoring ideas and lyrics, concerned that they might be "mixing practices" or "restimulating implants." They have since become ex Scientologists.








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[Cuitlahuac Rivas]

^^^^^

( forgot to insert your quote from above here...)


We really don't discuss much of L. Ron's technology here at all....

I don't know what would happen if you started a Thread to discuss Scientology Ethics....

I guess some of us are trying to figure out why you wrote that Report....? Or if you are kidding.

And the "wog justice" statement.....I don't know what to think of that.

Moral Codes here....? I don't know about that either.

Indie Scientology is not much discussed here, if at all....

Some make posts about it once in a while....if something interesting happens.

I am not discussing ethics here. It is you who brought the subject to the table.

The ethics report is in the Indie and freezone sub forum.

 

[Cuitlahuac Rivas]

Link to 1977.

That was the year after prices started rising monthly, and the year of the HCOB LSD, Years after they have come off of, and the Sweat Program, and the HCOB Jokers and Degraders.

Then came the redefinition down of Clear, with "Dianetic Clear," Link to David Mayo's 1989 article on Clear, and the butchering of the middle Grade Chart, followed by the elimination of the recycled Rosicrucianism upper levels, and their replacement with yet more levels preoccupied with "fleas."

The year you got in is the year I got out, although I didn't formally resign my membership until 1983.

What did you think when Senior Case Supervisor, David Mayo, was declared an SP?

Soon after I first visited the New York Org in 1969, I learned that the world's first real Clear, John McMaster, had just been declared an SP.

I should have suspected something was wrong immediately, but I was impressed with Hubbard's books, and with the Incredible String Band being members, so I just slid over it.

Performed just before the ISB's Scientology involvement

Involvement with Scientology, at first, helped the Incredible String Band,
then began to harm them, as they started self-censoring ideas and lyrics, concerned that they might be "mixing practices" or "restimulating implants." They have since become ex Scientologists.








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Yes. I remember the price race in 1982. The wogs did it first with inflation. I remember the replacement of the original OT levels with the new "get rid of the flees" ones. But it might be that the Rosicrucians didn't reach End Phenomena on their grades because they have not "deloused" first.

I was on staff when the David Mayo declare arrived. I and others wrote that the charges were fake. Then came down LRH's own declare on Mayo, but we still believed the charges were false.

I never knew Jonh McMaster. He never changed his mind and would have been the most powerfull enemy of Hubbard had he not declared him first. McMaster was able to split the scientology field even after his death.

 

[Veda]

Yes. I remember the price race in 1982. The wogs did it first with inflation.

You're the first person I've encountered in a long time who un-selfconsciously uses the term "wog."

I remember the replacement of the original OT levels with the new "get rid of the flees" ones. But it might be that the Rosicrucians didn't reach End Phenomena on their grades because they have not "deloused" first.

Link to the antecedent to Grand Tour from the early 1900s.

Yes, that was the explanation for NOTs. I can recall a tech person at AOLA telling me that the OT levels "didn't work, BUT now that we have NOTs tech..." Same thing was said about Hubbard Standard Dianetics. "It didn't really erase somatics, BUT now with New Era Dianetics...."

I was on staff when the David Mayo declare arrived. I and others wrote that the charges were fake. Then came down LRH's own declare on Mayo, but we still believed the charges were false.

Are you suggesting that Hubbard made false charges re. Mayo to prevent Scientology from being split?

I never knew Jonh McMaster. He never changed his mind and would have been the most powerfull enemy of Hubbard had he not declared him first. McMaster was able to split the scientology field even after his death.

Could you elaborate on that last paragraph?

 

[Bill]

I am a scientologist since 1977.

In the year 2005 I came to the independent field. In the year 2014 I created several Free Scientology groups, including the one on Ethics.

Welcome. I hope you enjoy your stay, but I don't think you will. Just about everyone here has been disabused of the fantasy that Hubbard was all-wise and all-knowing. We know that Hubbard's history was one of continual failure. Except, of course, making money. So you will find your pro-Scientology pronouncements met with amusement and derision.

However, I am sincere -- welcome. Please stay for as long as you can stand it.

 

[Bill]

I'm sure many won't want the subject of Ethics here. Specially the intell plants. But even wog justice has jurisdiction over this forum.

I am sure the basic rules for discussion here are some form of moral code.

Ah! Yes, I remember the Scientology paranoia. I don't miss it.

 

[Harold#1]

Welcome. I hope you enjoy your stay, but I don't think you will. Just about everyone here has been disabused of the fantasy that Hubbard was all-wise and all-knowing. We know that Hubbard's history was one of continual failure. Except, of course, making money. So you will find your pro-Scientology pronouncements met with amusement and derision.

However, I am sincere -- welcome. Please stay for as long as you can stand it.

But look at the authentic Native American scene he created and how he taught his minions to photograph it:


Note the snazzy Commodore's Messengers outfits for the girls and boy.

more photos from Janis Gillham Grady:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/commodoresmsngr/posts/

 

[ILove2Lurk]

And what do you follow stratty?

You at least pay taxes and your taxes support agendas. Which are those?

Even if you don't pay taxes and you follow yourself, then are you a model of honesty and purity? Let us know please of your virtuous life.

I'm sure many won't want the subject of Ethics here. Specially the intell plants. But even wog justice has jurisdiction over this forum.

I am sure the basic rules for discussion here are some form of moral code.

To original members around here:

Have you ever tuned into a movie on cable TV only the get the idea:
"I think I've seen this movie before. The plot seems familiar. I know
this script. I know the lines. I think I know this movie ends."

Sometimes the scripts are just too ham-handed. Writing seems familiar.

The plot has got to evolve gently. Don't give everything away at once.

I'm looking into this.

 

[Riddick]

And what do you follow stratty?

You at least pay taxes and your taxes support agendas. Which are those?

Even if you don't pay taxes and you follow yourself, then are you a model of honesty and purity? Let us know please of your virtuous life.

"And what do you follow stratty?"

Myself, I follow no man. Nor clap to one, or bow to one.

If you think Hubbard is not a man who has the seen the underverse,

LOL

 

[Riddick]

But look at the authentic Native American scene he created and how he taught his minions to photograph it:
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Note the snazzy Commodore's Messengers outfits for the girls and boy.

more photos from Janis Gillham Grady:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/commodoresmsngr/posts/

that second picture reminds me of Hubbard's face on the photo album of the apollo stars.