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In another stunning moment of buried memory recovery, I thought of a conversation with a Flag reg about Superpower. I recalled being told that there was some sort of magic that could occur on the planet should a certain number of people got through it. Again, another number bolstering changing the world if enough people got through it. I have searched this but can't seem to find it, and I don't feel like calling my Flag reg to ask, at least not today.

Is there anyone here recently out that had a reg tell them that? Was this in a publication anywhere?
yes, I was told all about that "theta to entheta" ratio when Registrars tried to sell me services and on some level, it made sense.

Then I discovered most of what Registrars say are to manipulate and decieve people into buying Scientology services. A little dab of truth mixed with a whole lot of poison to get your MONEY.

Now I know that Scientologists are dumbed down and manipulated to believe whatever they are told so even though they mean well, the damage this cult is doing to humanity far exceeds any good they do.

70 years of dead bodies, shattered families, thwarted goals, financial ruin, empty Orgs, carnage and fucked up people.

THAT is science.
 

Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
In another stunning moment of buried memory recovery, I thought of a conversation with a Flag reg about Superpower. I recalled being told that there was some sort of magic that could occur on the planet should a certain number of people got through it. Again, another number bolstering changing the world if enough people got through it. I have searched this but can't seem to find it, and I don't feel like calling my Flag reg to ask, at least not today.

Is there anyone here recently out that had a reg tell them that? Was this in a publication anywhere?
I vaguely remember some tech person telling me something along the lines of: "If X amount of people go clear the percentage of thetha on the planet will cause a shift causing some radical event..."

I don't remember what was the number and even back then I found that to be rather unconvincing.
 

Dotey OT

Re-Membered
I vaguely remember some tech person telling me something along the lines of: "If X amount of people go clear the percentage of thetha on the planet will cause a shift causing some radical event..."

I don't remember what was the number and even back then I found that to be rather unconvincing.
It seems to be a common occurrence.

There was the 10,000 on solo nots, this would tip the balance and make planetary clearing a reality.

There was xxx number through superpower, this would do something good.

There was xxx number achieving clear, again doing something good.

Having staff through superpower did something as well.

YOU getting yourself through OTVIII.

"________ (Fill in the blank) will get handled on YOUR NEXT LEVEL!"

The one commonality was doing the service.
 

Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
It seems to be a common occurrence.

There was the 10,000 on solo nots, this would tip the balance and make planetary clearing a reality.

There was xxx number through superpower, this would do something good.

There was xxx number achieving clear, again doing something good.

Having staff through superpower did something as well.

YOU getting yourself through OTVIII.

"________ (Fill in the blank) will get handled on YOUR NEXT LEVEL!"

The one commonality was doing the service.
I would even stress that the commonality was paying for the service, not doing the service. You know how much encouragement and/or pressure I received to go OT when I was in the SO? Zero.

I was inside all my life, made my way up to the continental level and I didn't even get to Xenu at OTIII. The implied culture was: "You are here to work and help others. That is your priority, not going up the bridge yourself. If you complain about that too hard that just means you have too much free time and not enough work on your hands".

To be clear: Its not that I myself really cared about the OT levels or feel bitter that I missed some 'great' thing. But I do want to stress the hypocrisy in play here: The CoS wants one thing for the paying public, another thing for the "free" SO.

Also, if putting 10,000 on solo nots would really make a big deal... shouldn't they just order all the SO members to get it done? That would be 20% target accomplished by SO alone.

Did they do that? Of course not. SO are supposed to work, not dilly dally on solo nos or shmots and other fiddly-diddly stuff.
 

TrevAnon

Big list researcher
Don't know if this was pointed out.

In 2013, journalist Tony Ortega (who reports al lot about Scientology) on his blog published a story about a man, Paul Burkhart, who had access to membership figures for the COS.

In that year, there were less than 20,000 worldwide.



You may have difficulty to believe the 20,000 number, as this flies in the face of the COS-propaganda which is all about growth, growth, growth.

But how come, that the COS in its PR doesn't give membership numbers anymore?

Yes, sure, they tell they are growing. In square meters. Buildings. How is that important?

LRH said:

"We own a tremendous amount of property. We own a tremendous amount of material and so forth, and it keeps growing. But that’s not important. When buildings get important to us, for God sakes, some of you born revolutionists will you please blow up central headquarters".

L Ron Hubbard Lecture 31 Dec 1960


(Please note, the 20,000 number was in 2013. Since then a lot of COS-members (and the rest of the world) have seen Alex Gibney's documentary Going Clear and Leah Remini's docuseries Scientology and the aftermath. Us critics and exes don't have a specific actual and current number. I, and I may also say we, have good reason to believe it's less these days.)
 

Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
Don't know if this was pointed out.

In 2013, journalist Tony Ortega (who reports al lot about Scientology) on his blog published a story about a man, Paul Burkhart, who had access to membership figures for the COS.

In that year, there were less than 20,000 worldwide.

Well if the 71,000 and 78,000 figures I vaguely recall from the Iraq war era were correct, that means that in the 10 years between 2003 and 2013 the cult lost over half of its membership.

Including the sorry sap that is writing this very post.
 

ILove2Lurk

AI Chatbot
(Please note, the 20,000 number was in 2013. Since then a lot of COS-members (and the rest of the world) have seen Alex Gibney's documentary Going Clear and Leah Remini's docuseries Scientology and the aftermath. Us critics and exes don't have a specific actual and current number. I, and I may also say we, have good reason to believe it's less these days.)
:thumbsup:
I've heard under 20,000 since the early 2000's from people who have fled the Sea
Org and had access to the actual figures. Multiple sources. This number would include
all worldwide staffs and SO.

As you all know, rich whales are keeping this fantasy world afloat for now. As long as
they're happy, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
:thumbsup:
I've heard under 20,000 since the early 2000's from people who have fled the Sea
Org and had access to the actual figures. Multiple sources. This number would include
all worldwide staffs and SO.

As you all know, rich whales are keeping this fantasy world afloat for now. As long as
they're happy, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm not gonna argue at all. The 71-78 k numbers were something I heard second hand. Its possible that these people were misinformed, or misinformed me.
 

marra

Well-known member
Some time in the late 1990s I was told "in confidence" by a high-ranking IAS person that the official worldwide membership figure was 68,000. I asked if that included staff, sea org, public and introductory memberships and I was told it did.
 

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
:thumbsup:
I've heard under 20,000 since the early 2000's from people who have fled the Sea
Org and had access to the actual figures. Multiple sources. This number would include
all worldwide staffs and SO.

As you all know, rich whales are keeping this fantasy world afloat for now. As long as
they're happy, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
.

I think all this awful Q&A about Scientology's actual membership can be mercifully ended if COB follows the successful actions of the Honorable Reverend Farrakhan (PCs be upon him) when he created the MILLION MAN MARCH in Washington DC.

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Two years later there was a followup "MILLION WOMEN MARCH" on DC. Both marches sued when the crowd counts were estimated at under 500,000---which obviously was clearly wrong---because the they legally could not have used the word "MILLION" in the march names if it wasn't true!

Well, Scientology can prove their planetary influence by graphically demonstrating the sheer and overwhelming numbers of COS members who agree that Scientology works! Agreement is reality and what better way to show the reality of Scientology's supernatural upstatness than by calling for their own march!

THE 20 MILLION THETAN MARCH
Obviously, these unprecedented numbers are too large to be accommodated in DC, and even if an appropriately huge venue was found, it would violate "social distancing" protocols. Therefore, Scientologists would stage mankind's very first "Planetary Cyber-March" with each marcher logging into a dedicated online website from home, where they would be assigned a number---thus proving there are in fact over 20 Million Scientologists on this planet.

Special precautions would be taken not to DOX anyone by revealing their identities, thus Scientologists logging in would not be required to disclose any personal data.

During the 20 Million Thetan March, the website would have guest speakers who would offer free technologically scientific miracles that people could test at home--and post real-time SUCCESS STORIES to further confirm Dr. Hubbard's super-spiritual discoveries.

The programming would be simul-cast on Scientology's cable channel so that families could gather around and enjoy the uptone flows and ideal theta!


Best of all, online viewers of the march would be treated to FREE GROUP AUDITING by Scientology's spiritual leader COB--where they would be able to experience for themselves a spiritually euphoric surge in havingness, when he runs the Havingness Process command:

"Look around your home or wallet and
find something that I could have".

.
 
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Xenu Xenu Xenu

Well-known member
It seems to be a common occurrence.

There was the 10,000 on solo nots, this would tip the balance and make planetary clearing a reality.

There was xxx number through superpower, this would do something good.

There was xxx number achieving clear, again doing something good.

Having staff through superpower did something as well.

YOU getting yourself through OTVIII.

"________ (Fill in the blank) will get handled on YOUR NEXT LEVEL!"

The one commonality was doing the service.

In the late 1960s the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi claimed that it would only take 100,000 people joining his Transcendental Meditation movement to bring about world peace. Incidentally, TM now has over 100,000 members or so they claim.

Seems to be a rather common ploy of cults. I wouldn't be surprised if all cults said the same thing.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
I learnt from the last conversation that there is no point in questioning him. He will say something like: "If you didn't understand what I said then is it possible you need to re-do Grade 0?". Or "I answer only to God not to any man". Or if I persist in asking questions he could say: "What is your purpose here? Have I missed a withhold?".

There is no logic involved. In fact when he is questioned he sometimes accuses me of using my head instead of my heart and therefore being "egocentric".
If nothing productive is going to come of the conversation, then there's no point in the conversation.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
I would even stress that the commonality was paying for the service, not doing the service. You know how much encouragement and/or pressure I received to go OT when I was in the SO? Zero.

I was inside all my life, made my way up to the continental level and I didn't even get to Xenu at OTIII. The implied culture was: "You are here to work and help others. That is your priority, not going up the bridge yourself. If you complain about that too hard that just means you have too much free time and not enough work on your hands".

To be clear: Its not that I myself really cared about the OT levels or feel bitter that I missed some 'great' thing. But I do want to stress the hypocrisy in play here: The CoS wants one thing for the paying public, another thing for the "free" SO.

Also, if putting 10,000 on solo nots would really make a big deal... shouldn't they just order all the SO members to get it done? That would be 20% target accomplished by SO alone.

Did they do that? Of course not. SO are supposed to work, not dilly dally on solo nos or shmots and other fiddly-diddly stuff.
If auditing really made people "more able", then there would have been a push to get staff up the bridge. But there wasn't.

This implies that senior execs either:
1) believe in the tech, but don't want it applied (They are SPs), or
2) Do not believe the tech works, but want to sell it to the gullible (They are SP con-men)

Either way, the ones at the top are suppressive.
 

Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
If auditing really made people "more able", then there would have been a push to get staff up the bridge. But there wasn't.

This implies that senior execs either:
1) believe in the tech, but don't want it applied (They are SPs), or
2) Do not believe the tech works, but want to sell it to the gullible (They are SP con-men)

Either way, the ones at the top are suppressive.
Listening to the interview Aaron made with Mike I got the impression Mike fell into the 2nd category.

Speaking about my own superior back in the day on the continental level, I don't think it was as simple as either 1 or 2. I honestly think his frame of mind was: "Our job is to complete the tasks we are assigned and have our stats go up. Other people have different jobs, everyone should do their assigned job, that's how this machine functions"

And I think deep down in his head he had a teeny-tiny belief that OT levels won't help us resolve cases any faster or make better investigations. He would never openly say that though. We were a "joker" platoon of sorts, but even we would never joke about the tech. Never ever ever. The very farthest we would go were very mild jokes about touch assists from an attractive spouse of one of our guys.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
Speaking about my own superior back in the day on the continental level, I don't think it was as simple as either 1 or 2. I honestly think his frame of mind was: "Our job is to complete the tasks we are assigned and have our stats go up. Other people have different jobs, everyone should do their assigned job, that's how this machine functions"

And I think deep down in his head he had a teeny-tiny belief that OT levels won't help us resolve cases any faster or make better investigations. He would never openly say that though. We were a "joker" platoon of sorts, but even we would never joke about the tech. Never ever ever. The very farthest we would go were very mild jokes about touch assists from an attractive spouse of one of our guys.
Actually, it does come down to (1) or (2).

Regarding your superior, what you seem to be saying is that he didn't believe the tech would increase your ability to get your job done, to a degree sufficient to justify even the minimal expense and effort of having a staff-staff auditor.

If he believed that, then on what basis would he agree with Scientology justifing getting people to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for it?
 
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stratty

Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
If auditing really made people "more able", then there would have been a push to get staff up the bridge. But there wasn't.

This implies that senior execs either:
1) believe in the tech, but don't want it applied (They are SPs), or
2) Do not believe the tech works, but want to sell it to the gullible (They are SP con-men)

Either way, the ones at the top are suppressive.
Hate to break this to you Enthetan but there is no such thing as an 'SP', or at least not in the context in which you are using it, i.e. a scientological context.

The term was invented by Hubbard in order to to isolate those who were antagonistic to scientology and prevent them from 'contaminating' others.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
Hate to break this to you Enthetan but there is no such thing as an 'SP', or at least not in the context in which you are using it, i.e. a scientological context.

The term was invented by Hubbard in order to to isolate those who were antagonistic to scientology and prevent them from 'contaminating' others.
I was using the term as originally presented by Hubbard, as an insane person bent on destroying others.

We can use "sociopath" instead. Or sadist, in the sense of someone who gets pleasure from creating suffering in others.
 

Karakorum

Ron is the source that will lead you to grief
Actually, it does come down to (1) or (2).

Regarding your superior, what you seem to be saying is that he didn't believe the tech would increase your ability to get your job done, to a degree sufficient to justify even the minimal expense and effort of having a staff-staff auditor.

If he believed that, then on what basis would he agree with Scientology justifying getting people to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for it?
The expense might seem minimal from the outside. From the inside, we were struggling and fighting each day to keep the amount of work from overflowing the banks and crushing us utterly. A single day with one of our people unavailable was a calamity. We were immensely overburdened and understaffed. We also had a real sense of "mission" and responsibility for our tasks.

Trust me: If you caught one real sex molester and saved one normal guy from fake accusations, then you would later take all the other cases very seriously. You would work at 110% of your capacity to get the crooks and prevent the innocent from having their names dragged through the mud. May sound hilarious now, but we really cared a lot. We were not deep kool-aid drinkers by WUS SO standards, but we all had a real drive to get the job done well, even if the stats would drop.
"Screw the CMO, screw the sleeping hours, screw the stats. We will get the job done RIGHT!"

So yes, we did not want to go and do something else, (including processing) because that would leave the rest of our team in a pinch.

When I was defecting I had no regrets about not saving the planet or leaving behind the tech. You know what was my only real regret when I was leaving? It was that with one man short, my team would be left in a very tough situation. That they would go through hell for the next 6 months or so before anyone else was trained to a level where he/she could take all my workload off the rest of the team.

"Screw the galaxy, screw my family, screw disconnection. I'm miserable that my guys are gonna take a hit because of me leaving."
 
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