Mike Rinder book ~~ less than a month away, it coming soon.

[Chuck Beatty x 75-02]

Don't know. Don't Care. And, if I did know, I would not be telling you other people's personal information without their permission, Chuck.

Fair enough.

Back when I was on the chat sites, constantly for years, in the 2004 onwards time period when I used to post voluminously, sharing how people's friends and family members were doing, which positions they were on, etc, is and was and likely always will be of interest.

People used to contact me in the post 2004 era constantly, asking about people they knew and how they were doing, etc, etc.

One thing long range, for researchers of Scientology, for "never ins" and family members who are ex's and "SP declared" there is interest in who is still there.

And it's like school, chat sites for old school chums, reminiscing about the good and the bad times, and just human interest in people one did enjoy working with when one was there.

Part of the territory of forums, honestly, in human history.

Shutting down communication, is less human history. Digging up history and memories, if appropriate, is fine.

Why do you say so stridently not without the person's permission. That's like saying if your friend, or someone you still respect, is still in Sea Org, that you cannot ask a recently departed Sea Org member if they have any info on such and such of a person?

If you audit today, do you pick up people who've quit recently, and if so, my impression was freezoners and indies generally are more lenient, don't act all KSW and nasty with each other, am I right?

Anyways, all I was asking is if you are on the forum here, regularly, are there any recent people posting here who have info on the Apollo vets still working in LA region, period.

I got into Sea Org, at Clearwater, in Dec 1975 and the whole crew were mainly Apollo vets, and they had the feel and vibe of just having been with LRH on the Apollo, etc, etc, is all, and I wondered if those persons, still in today, when they do finally exit, what their long long term hindsight views of everything are, as they slowly unwind from their current Sea Org careers, if they do quit, or if any have quit, in recent years.

That's human nature to hindsight reflect on one's life and career. And it's curious to me to hear of those longest time ex's, their views of it all, is all.

Chuck Beatty
ex Sea Org 75 to 03
[email protected]

 

[TheSneakster]

Why do you say so stridently not without the person's permission. That's like saying if your friend, or someone you still respect, is still in Sea Org, that you cannot ask a recently departed Sea Org member if they have any info on such and such of a person?

Anybody who left is an OSA target. You know that perfectly well. If I were asked for information about a specific person, I would inform them of the request and determine their wishes so as not to violate their right to privacy. Their right to privacy trumps someone's desire to mind other people's business.

 

[Chuck Beatty x 75-02]

Those 2 dear FBI agents were in text communication multiple times a day with Marty and Mike Rinder.
(Marty showed me his cell and some texts when I visited Ingleside-on-the-Bay.)
Then Larry Wright by accident voiced (on Twitter or somewhere) a forthcoming INT base raid
and all hell broke loose.
The 2 dear FBI agents were kicked out of mainstream FBI offices and bundled off to the outskirt Pine Barrens of North Dakota or some similar.
And that was the end of that.
Be lovely to hear the whole story.

Karen,
That story could be dug up more, those two FBI agents will retire someday, and loads of ex FBI write books, do podcasts, share their hindsights and reveal oddities and shortcomings of their agency.
I'm pro FBI, pro US Govt agencies, today, in my old age. I read loads of ex CIA career people's books, ex FBI people too, I like what I read there, gives a more realistic view to their jobs.
Then on podcasts, former FBI and CIA people say revealing candid things, and lower down the totem pole people in lower Govt agencies tell revealing stuff.
So there is hope, I think, always, that the details of what all else happened to pull the plug on the Scientology investigation, I think smart outsider journalists and writers, (Wright, his colleagues, and Tony Ortega) probably have the best grip of the FBI politics, and you have written a lot of good info over the years.
Thanks Karen.
Chuck Beatty
in beautiful Connillsville, PA

 

[Chuck Beatty x 75-02]

Anybody who left is an OSA target. You know that perfectly well. If I were asked for information about a specific person, I would inform them of the request and determine their wishes so as not to violate their right to privacy. Their right to privacy trumps someone's desire to mind other people's business.

The "OSA target" thing, LOL, thankfully I detailed what happened to me, as I left Sea Org, got on the chat sites in 2004 (I left in 2003) and just dealt with it. I went to work for a Newspaper knowing OSA would be hesitant to have PIs do anything drastic, since I'd just tell my Newspaper bosses of what was happening, instantly. And I was on the old ARS where old timer critics just gave instant feedback to everything I was "getting" and I got a phone call from the top Scn lawyer Elliot Abelson, which made me instantly get on the phone to Gerry Armstrong to ask his advice, LOL.
But point taken anyways, things are not like it was in the 2004 to 2008ish time slot on chat sites, where loads more info was shared, daily.
I'd get people tell me info, and of course they didn't wish to be public.
Some did, and I posted from them.
In fact, when Jenna Miscavige wrote her public letter, I posted it to ARS chat site for her.
Someone I supposed what doing that job today, being the sort of in the know person, of who's about to come out, and ushers that person along, and helps get their initial story out.

Chris Shelton and Aaron are more the ones doing that job these days, and Karen on Outer Banks.

I'll check there, Thanks.

 

[TheSneakster]

The "OSA target" thing, LOL, ( ... ).

I lost my two best friends and business partners of seven (7) years because of OSA Internet Investigations Unit meddling (in Mick Wenlock's *PRIVATE* Yahoo email list) so how dare you laugh at my concerns ?

 

[Veda]

I lost my two best friends and business partners of seven (7) years because of OSA Internet Investigations Unit meddling (in Mick Wenlock's *PRIVATE* Yahoo email list) so how dare you laugh at my concerns ?

Everyone has had misfortune. Most don't advertise it, seeking sympathy.

 

[Riddick]

Everyone has had misfortune. Most don't advertise it, seeking sympathy.

pathos appeal used by the Michael.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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pathos appeal used by the Michael.

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This is great news. Board members are now getting an outstanding 2-for-1 deal!

We not only get your endlessly repetitious trolling of every thread with virtually identical posts about "rhetoric"---we are also getting a new bonus! A free "GREEK CHORUS" that explains what another person just posted by identifying which of the 3 rhetoric words apply.

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[Riddick]

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This is great news. Board members are now getting an outstanding 2-for-1 deal!

We not only get your endlessly repetitious trolling of every thread with virtually identical posts about "rhetoric"---we are also getting a new bonus! A free "GREEK CHORUS" that explains what another person just posted by identifying which of the 3 rhetoric words apply.

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whether you like it or not, when people talk, they will use ethos, pathos or logos, or a combination of the 3. I'm just the messenger of rhetoric. Research for yourself and you will discover. Even you use rhetoric. The truth is out there.

By the way, you could have just left my comment as is, but you decided to comment or opinion, and now you are trolling me.

 

[TheSneakster]

Everyone has had misfortune. Most don't advertise it, seeking sympathy.

Not seeking sympathy, so your unqualified amateur psychological analysis is fail. I'm chastising Chuck for giving me a stack of shit because I protect other people's privacy.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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whether you like it or not, when people talk, they will use ethos, pathos and logos, or a combination of the 3. I'm just the messenger of rhetoric. Research for yourself and you will discover. Even you use rhetoric. The truth is out there. By the way, you could have just left my comment as is, but you decided to comment or opinion, and now you are trolling me.

This is no time for humility, Riddick. You are also the celebrated "messenger" of delusion & de-railing too! LOL

By the way, you are most certainly NOT the "messenger of rhetoric". You are, if anything, the ANTI-MESSENGER of rhetoric. Here's why:

1. You made the beautiful subject and useful tool of rhetoric repulsive. So much so that rather than people on this board liking it more, they have grown to revile it more due to your incessant beating and bullying others over the head with it.​

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2. You have steadfastly proven that you are entirely clueless about the purpose and mechanics of rhetoric. Rhetoric's purpose is to INFLUENCE & CONVINCE others. Your posts fail to convince or influence anyone to think/do anything other than leave and go to another thread. If you had the slightest understanding of how rhetoric works, you would be able to influence others to read your posts and enter a conversation. However, when everyone agreed to give you your own thread (dedicated to Rhetoric) that thread almost instantly became a ghost town. Why? Because you don't have the slightest clue how to use rhetoric to influence or convince people to converse with you after you have continuously assaulted them with condescension and insults.​

Despite all of the above, I still try to find the positive in all things. I think it's very commendable that you have attained a very distinctive status, just like Dr. Hubbard. He is the ANTI-Christ and you are the ANTI-Rhetoretician! Congratulations, your lapel pin is in the mail!


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[Riddick]

Not seeking sympathy, so your unqualified amateur psychological analysis is fail. I'm chastising Chuck for giving me a stack of shit because I protect other people's privacy.

so why did you post you lost your 2 best friends? That's a pathos appeal, but you didn't get the response you wanted, like maybe lots of "likes"

 

[TheSneakster]

so why did you post you lost your 2 best friends? That's a pathos appeal, but you didn't get the response you wanted, like maybe lots of "likes"

No, RealDick. It's first hand eyewitness report of the result of breaching the security of personal information of former C of S staff and ex-members on the Internet.

 

[Riddick]

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Okay Mr. de-rail, sure, I believe you.

By the way, you are most certainly NOT the "messenger of rhetoric". You are, if anything, the ANTI-MESSENGER of rhetoric. Here's why:

1. You made the beautiful subject and useful tool of rhetoric repulsive. So much so that rather than people on this board liking it more, they have grow to dislike it more due to your incessant beating and bullying others over the head with it.​

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2. You have steadfastly proven that you are entirely clueless about the purpose and mechanics of rhetoric. Rhetoric's purpose is to INFLUENCE & CONVINCE others. Your posts fail to convince or influence anyone to think/do anything other than leave and go to another thread. If you had the slightest understanding of how rhetoric works, you would be able to influence others to read your posts and enter a conversation. However, when everyone agreed to give you your own thread (dedicated to Rhetoric) that thread almost instantly became a ghost town. Why? Because you don't have the slightest clue how to use rhetoric to influence or convince people to talk to you after you have continuously assaulted them with condescension and insults.​

Despite all of the above, I still try to find the positive in all things. I think it's very commendable that you have attained a very distinctive status, just like Dr. Hubbard. He is the ANTI-Christ and you are the ANTI-Rhetoretician! Congratulations, your lapel pin is in the mail!


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actually, my threads about rhetoric have lots of views, much more than all the recent posts. If I restart them, they will grow.

 

[Riddick]

No, RealDick. It's first hand eyewitness report of the result of breaching the security of personal information of former C of S staff and ex-members on the Internet.

why call me realdick? That's not very civilized?

Speaking of civilized, that's all Hubbard wanted, was people to move on up the bridge to total freedom, which turns out to be false.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

@statpush, you've become a much more polished and effective writer since we had back and forth
conversations years ago. Almost like a different person. What's changed? Have you been taking
writing classes or what? The improvement is dramatic! Bravo!

I was just thinking that myself.

 

[Veda]

Not seeking sympathy, so your unqualified amateur psychological analysis is fail. I'm chastising Chuck for giving me a stack of shit because I protect other people's privacy.

It's a minor point but you do have a habit of seeking sympathy.

It's not a manly way to be.

Too much drama.

Changing the subject.

This is a quote from Jesse Prince from an affidavit:

"It is incumbent on this and every court to realize the amount of deception, chicanery, lying, manipulation and outright criminality that Scientology will employ to hide the truth about their criminal activities. They will spend any amount of money to do this. I know this because I was part of it for years. I received orders to break the law. I issued orders to break the law. I got orders to break the law, and then I helped to hide these criminal activities just as they are hiding them now. In fact, the tactic is one of the most coercive used by the Scientology hierarchy: to involve members in criminal acts for which they are then liable, which prevents the person from speaking out."

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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actually, my threads about rhetoric have lots of views, much more than all the recent posts. If I restart them, they will grow.

Kind of like the movie "FIELD OF DREAMS", right? ("If you build it they will come")

Perhaps members of this board (myself included) have engaged a wrong tactic regarding your many RHETORIC threads/posts. Maybe we should be validating you in some way, instead!

In that sense, perhaps we could start a GOFUNDME that would flow power to you. How much money do you feel we would have to raise in order to pay you enough to stop posting about rhetoric? LOL

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[TheSneakster]

It's a minor point but you do have a habit of seeking sympathy.

You're delusions of knowledge of my (or anyone else's) inner mental or spiritual state are just that - delusions.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

actually, my threads about rhetoric have lots of views, much more than all the recent posts. If I restart them, they will grow.

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All your rhetoric threads are dead. That's why you lied and broke your agreement to not troll and derail all of ESMB's other threads with "EVERYTHING IS RHETORIC" bombardments.

I wasn't talking about any other thread than your LAST rhetoric thread which everyone agreed was yours to post endlessly on. Everyone left that thread and you were answering yourself. Pathetic. When you realized that nobody was posting on your rhetoric thread you couldn't help yourself and started popping up on other threads with the same old crappy and repetitious derailings.

And your lame response when you were questioned why you broke your promise was "tough shit!" The only thing that is tough shit is ESMB members trying to have a conversation with each other---while you troll and derail their threads.

PRO TIP: Go and honestly learn what rhetoric is and how it works. Then you need to practice using words and rhetoric to influence people to willingly enter discussions with you. You are (instead) kind of like a rapist that can't get laid and thereafter bullies people to experience your "forced entry".


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