What Happened To Training?

TheSneakster

Well-known member
A couple of my past titles were SHSBC Course Administrator ASHO Foundation (ASHOF) and simultaneously, Tech Training Films I/C ASHOF, back in the first half of the 1990's. The SHSBC I/C was a Class VI C/S personally trained by Ron Hubbard (Chris Montgomery nee' Stevens).

I was there for the highly confidential GAoT I pilot which took place during the INT Command Team Ethics Mission debacle.

Chris Montgomery (as well as some other Hubbard Trained Sea Org Tech Division Course Supervisors at ASHO Day and Foundation and AOLA) strongly protested GAoT as out-Tech and squirrel in Orders Queries up to RTC (with full Hubbard reference citations). The response was to RPF her for allegedly false statistics. Mind you, we consistently had over 200 students on her SHSBC.

In my opinion, the SHSBC (Class VI) and Class VIII courses were torpedoed because they consistently produced auditors who knew GAoT was big-time squirreling and that DM was committing multiple High Crimes by promoting it.

The answer for DM was to RPF or SP Declare every single Permanent Certificate Class VI and Class VIII who were deceived into using the newly (1991) instituted RTC Report Line to report GAoT as squirrel and Out Tech. Since these courses produced auditors who knew DM was a squirrel, the answer was to cancel those courses covertly - by announcing the GAoT versions of them were not ready and claiming that the existing versions were squirrel.

So, within a couple of years after GAoT I was crammed down the throats of all the Orgs, starting with the Sea Org Tech Delivery units, well the Independent Field became the only Scientology activity with Ron Hubbard-certified (I mean literally, their certificates were issued by Hubbard himself at St. Hill or on the Apollo) Standard Tech auditors.

While very few Anti-Co$ critics put much stock in "Standard Tech", a large percentage of the Co$ membership did and eventually left Davie McSavage's Co$ because they were getting more and more abuse; and less and less standard training and auditing.
 
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Karakorum

I tried to be a good cop in the wrong police force
I knew people who got declared as Clear, then Un-Clear, four times, doing repeats
of their lower bridges each time to get to Clear again. Like three to four trips through
the lower bridge. A financial and mental calamity.
Ah yes, all thanks to the efforts of the commander invalidator-in-chief
 

Karakorum

I tried to be a good cop in the wrong police force
Once you get on Nots, you're gonna be bringing up content and theory
from that level during sessions and -- per LRH -- that would harm lower
level case auditors. Strictly forbidden.
When did the fact that something is strictly forbidden ever stop Dave from doing that?
Zounds of instances like that - WDC case in point.
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
The Scientology Cult had already changed the Course Materials ( Check Sheets) 3 TIMES while I was on the Course....and the new GAT 1 stuff would have been the 4th time. It was a crazy time
It was a gesture of contempt by DM. We already know how much he seems to enjoy exercising power to humiliate staff at Int. Why be surprised that he gets off on behaving contemptuously toward public?

David gets off on forcing people to humiliate themselves by going along with his obvious lies. It is a conditioning process, to make people obedient.

A quote comes to mind:

Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small. In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.

-- Theodore Dalrymple
 
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The Oracle

Not the same Oracle from a decade ago
What was "training" to you ?

To me, it was to learn how to manipulate people. To be used to lure people INTO Scientology, keep them trapped, take all of their money (if you are on staff), get them into deep debt, file bankruptcy, get divorced, be alone and broke, LIE, get others to sign legal dox without legal advice, never question anyone in Scientology, never crticize anyone in Scientology or the subject, founder and leader, trust Scientology and never trust your own instincts and to completely change your identity so you become a Scientologist who thinks in Scientologese so you become a dedicated cult member. One loses their ability to make decisions. They have to look it up in a Scientology book - What Would Ron Do?
It is a bridge to losing one's mind.

Auditing takes the pressure off of the emotions and the normal homo sap stuff.
It helps make a person feel a little better as they lose their identity and their minds.
It will eventually make one doubt one's own thinking because the C/S and the E-meter knows all - you don't.

Scientology Fucks You Up!
 

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
The atmosphere around orgs in the early 90's, at least at what I saw, was to get people training and get them classed as auditors. By the mid 90's, the student log book in course admin was full of people that had started to train and made it to CL 0, CL 1, etc. Very few had made it through to CL IV and even fewer had done the internship.

But all this notwithstanding, there was the datum that most people operated from, and that was it was better to have tech trained execs, etc. The regges pushed on training considerably, much more than when I was a reg recently.

The days of the auditor are gone.
 

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
What was "training" to you ?
That is a good question.

As I worked in an org trying to make it go SH size though training, I asked that question "what about auditor training makes a person better?" I had numerous instances of seeing trained auditors operate in life, and hadn't noticed a large difference in life skills. Listening to flubtard drone on in lectures wasn't doing it.

Historically, did trained auditors give more of themselves to the cult? Did they donate more? Were they more easily manipulated? Did they really disseminate when PC's didn't? What was it?

When the basics came out, I wondered internally if that was what was missing, but I didn't wonder too long.

And talk about the economics of delivering a set of courses that cost peanuts really, and have a person tied up in the curseroom for years reading and clay demoing.

I guess no one currently in notices this?
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
The atmosphere around orgs in the early 90's, at least at what I saw, was to get people training and get them classed as auditors. By the mid 90's, the student log book in course admin was full of people that had started to train and made it to CL 0, CL 1, etc. Very few had made it through to CL IV and even fewer had done the internship.

But all this notwithstanding, there was the datum that most people operated from, and that was it was better to have tech trained execs, etc. The regges pushed on training considerably, much more than when I was a reg recently.

The days of the auditor are gone.
In the early 80's, it was all about training. My org's Comm Course, HQS course, and Academy were all full, with about 2 or 3 dozen people in Academy.

But the real point of making auditors was the saying "auditors disseminate, PC's dont". Auditors would try to audit all their friends, family, and acquaintances. The "flow" was field auditor to mission to org.

It didn't matter if delivering training was costly, auditors were the org's disseminators.

Then LRH and DM killed the field auditor environment and the mission network, so that greatly reduced the point of having auditors.

In the 70's, field auditors would mostly C/S each others cases. By the 90's, they had to have the org C/S do it (for $$$), and if the org c/s decided that he'd flubbed, then it was off to the org to spend the day in Qual waiting for a cram. Or the auditor would be ordered to re-train.

By the 90's, field auditing became financially unviable, and auditors got regular jobs.
 

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
But the real point of making auditors was the saying "auditors disseminate, PC's don't". Auditors would try to audit all their friends, family, and acquaintances. The "flow" was field auditor to mission to org.
There is this tactic in some industries, "get your customers or others to get you new customers." It's like that for some parts of the insurance industry, where they get people that are looking for work to come and work for them. They try to sell insurance, so they pick on their friends and family. Soon, no one else wants to buy their insurance, and they can't afford to work for nothing so they quit. The insurance got some business, for the cost of commissions.

Scamatology gets people to pay for auditor training. The trained auditors feel like they could go to their friends and get an F/N, and bring the selectee into the org. The BC grad was supposed to go open her own field practice. Same thing.

But that whole line that was in existence for so long is now kaput.

Who is doing the disseminating then??

Was it just way too much work to fix that whole thing? I was in the middle of the GAT 1 thing, and even in my vicinity, there was much discussion about the training techniques and the out tech. From what's been written earlier here, this was seen in upper orgs, where people audited day in and day out, and could tell when out tech was present.

Now I have to crawl out of this trap, where you think that all of this is really real, but it isn't. It is about the money. Or something else.
 

Zertel

Well-known member
I can’t answer why and how training was dropped out, but I have some fair knowledge of why L Rob set it up that way in the first place.

L Ron’s original model was co-audits. DMSMH co-audits, the original ACC and even married people co-audited. According to stories I heard from old-timers, ol L Ron loved overseeing the co-audits and thought everyone should be both an auditor and pc for the best gains. This was back in the early days, when Hubbard might have actually believed he would one day make the miraculous discoveries he had already told the world he had made (but hadn’t, lol). :coolwink:

There are lots of policies and HCOBs, even tapes where Hubbard makes snarky comments about full time pc’s.

DM changed the business model.
In my 1975-1980 experience the the emphasis was on training as I recall. Not much emphasis was on theory but enough that I felt I was getting a grasp on what was behind the "processing"*. It was mostly learn the commands and procedures and go audit. In my experience the missions and orgs were "generous" in providing free or little charge for case supervision while co-auditing as long as you were on course. Until around 1980, a guess, dianetic auditing came before the grades on the grade chart so most auditors in training were on dianetics and the missions and orgs were busy and I didn't have a problem finding a co-auditor. Dianetic auditors, or at least interned dianetic auditors as I was, were also allowed to audit other low level auditing like Self Analysis in metered auditing sessions.

I never bought into clearing the planet but I thought having lots of auditors might help. :blink:

* "processing" as a description of scn auditing and "procedures" still makes me snicker. Processing occurs in sausage factories. The pork comes in at one end and goes out as sausage at the other.
 
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I think this thread may be based on a faulty premise. The SHSBC was dropped for the reasons explained above. That doesn't mean that training was dropped. It wasn't. People still train to Class 5 and do the specialist courses (e.g., Sec Checker, Marriage Auditing).

To bring everyone up to present time, the purpose of GAT 2 was largely to reverse many of the changes made by GAT 1. (At the GAT 2 event Miscavige made a vague but snarchy comment about the people who compiled GAT 1).

Unlike under GAT 1, under GAT 2 Pro TRs no longer requires an RTC video pass. The course is taking a much shorter time.

Under GAT 1, oeople were taking a year or more to pass Pro Metering. I knew someone who was on it for two years. Many simply gave up. That has been reversed under GAT 2. This course is also taking a much shorter time.

The focus of GAT 1 was perfection. The focus of GAT 2 is speed, getting people through, getting them trained.

Scientology has long gone through this cycle on the training side.

One phase is a war against "quickie" anything and an emphasis on technical perfection. This leads to people taking far too long to complete and dropping out.

The next phase is a war against "additives" and "too long of runway" with an emphasis on speed. This leads to the "no tesults" (there are always "no tesults") being blamed on things being omitted and quickied.

My impression is that a lot of people on this thread and on ESMBR got out around the time (and perhaps in part because) of GAT 1, and assume things are the same under GAT 2. They are not regarding training or auditing.

(On the processing side, GAT 2 got rid if the requirement to run every possible process on every flow to complete a Grade. This was done, you guessedcit, to speed things up.)
Thanks, that clarifies things a lot.

Still, the SHSBC was dropped, and what about Class VIII? Those trainee auditors audited free in the HGCs, so more than earned their way to stay on a course for two years or so. Using trainee auditors in the HGC and charging $5000-$6000 for 12-1/2 hours of auditing was extremely profitable for the HGCs, much less expensive than hiring auditors. After all, Sea Org members work cheap and students audited for free. All I can figure is there just aren't enough paying pc's in Scientology anymore.

As far as TRs, etc. taking too long and outer org trainees being held up for months or years, this sort of thing has happened so often in Scientology history that it's a running joke. "Ooops! We just discovered that keeping outer org trainees here for months or years on our (TRs Pilot/Survival RD Pilot/Gat I Pilot/HRD Pilot/fill in the blank) is out-tech and we just fixed that." Absolute bullshit. The outer orgs that sent trainees to Flag were billed huge amounts for that training and for their accommodations and keeping them there longer was one more way that Flag sucked money out of the lower orgs. Also, those outer org trainees were put to work for projects that needed extra personnel. This happened repeatedly over the years. They also used them as "guinea pigs" for whatever "new tech" was being tested out.
 

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
Hey @JustSheila, in the past ten years, LA org has had a frickin yuge Div 6 machine, composed of OOT's doing their training, internships etc. for their org by doing call-in and regging the nearly dead but huge LA CF. Similar to those OOT auditor trainees that were auditing paying PC's in the HGC, their orgs are paying for them to work for LA org. With the auditing, of course, any flubs were paid for by the PC!

Gotta love it when you can do that, what a racket!!
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
and outer org trainees being held up for months or years, this sort of thing has happened so often in Scientology history that it's a running joke. "Ooops! We just discovered that keeping outer org trainees here for months or years on our (TRs Pilot/Survival RD Pilot/Gat I Pilot/HRD Pilot/fill in the blank) is out-tech and we just fixed that." Absolute bullshit. The outer orgs that sent trainees to Flag were billed huge amounts for that training and for their accommodations and keeping them there longer was one more way that Flag sucked money out of the lower orgs. Also, those outer org trainees were put to work for projects that needed extra personnel. This happened repeatedly over the years. They also used them as "guinea pigs" for whatever "new tech" was being tested out.
They would send staff down to be trained, and the org was supposed to send down money for the trainees room and board. Well, more often than not the money wouldn't be sent, and the trainees would be put to work 8 hours a day doing whatever to earn their keep (which would slow down their training even more). The real reason for sending people to Flag for training appears to be so Flag could get free labor.
 

Zertel

Well-known member
Maybe miscavige read economics for Dummies.
So if you only have a small handful of auditors, you can charge 20 times as much for them.
And since the buying demand is at an all time low, adjustments must be made.


Finding Market Equilibrium Price and Quantity
Buyers and sellers interact in markets. Market equilibrium occurs when the desires of buyers and sellers align exactly so that neither group has reason to change its behavior. The market equilibrium price, p*, and equilibrium quantity, q*, are determined by where the demand curve of the buyers, D, crosses the supply curve of the sellers, S. At that price, the amount that the buyers demand equals the amount that the sellers offer.

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This is from memory of my scn experience from around 1975-1980 so my dates and figures are not exact. When I entered scn in 1975 auditing cost $25/hour and my first e-meter cost $150. Around 1977 or 1978 Hubbard announced a 5% per month price increase to keep up with inflation which was running at or near double digits. I guess most scientologists went along with it and the prices about doubled before the increases were suspended. People were draining their bank accounts to pay for services in advance and freeze the prices at the then current level when they paid and the worldwide gross income skyrocketed.

Hubbard resumed the price increases around 1980 which caused thousands of people myself included to walk away as not worth the money while the diehards did the same as before and again drained their bank accounts and savings and the gross income again skyrocketed. Someone on a blog or forum told a story of a high ranking scn executive going to Hubbard and attempting to plead her case that scientologists were blowing all over the place and try to get him to suspend the price increases. As the story goes, Hubbard pointed to a chart on the wall showing the rising gross income, essentially saying, "So what?"

General interest - U.S. inflation rate 1929-2022 (forecast)

 
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Dark

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This is from memory of my scn experience from around 1975-1980 so my dates and figures are not exact. When I entered scn in 1975 auditing cost $25/hour and my first e-meter cost $150. Around 1977 or 1978 Hubbard announced a 5% per month price increase to keep up with inflation which was running at or near double digits. I guess most scientologists went along with it and the prices about doubled before the increases were suspended. People were draining their bank accounts to pay for services in advance and freeze the prices at the then current level when they paid and the worldwide gross income skyrocketed.

Hubbard resumed the price increases around 1980 which caused thousands of people myself included to walk away as not worth the money while the diehards did the same as before and again drained their bank accounts and savings and the gross income again skyrocketed. Someone on a blog or forum told a story of a high ranking scn executive going to Hubbard and attempting to plead her case that scientologists were blowing all over the place and try to get him to suspend the price increases. As the story goes, Hubbard pointed to a chart on the wall showing the rising gross income, essentially saying, "So what?"

General interest - U.S. inflation rate 1929-2022 (forecast)

I seem to remember that one could buy their CL 0-IV training package for about $ 1300 when that solution to inflation program started, so many people were buying it at that price point in advance.

I was wondering yesterday if Hubbard was calling the shots when the mission holders were attacked. At that time an auditor could make a livable income working full time for a mission holder, and that the CL 0-IV basic "psychotherapy" processes were popular with common folk. Lots of new people signing up and lots of auditing going on.
 

ISNOINews

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Still, the SHSBC was dropped, and what about Class VIII?
The Class 8 Course was also dropped for the same reasons. There are no more Class 6 or Class 8 Auditors in Scientology. They were effectively stripped of such status. Unlike Class 5 Auditors, they cannot retrain to their old status.

I know two people who were former Class 6 Aiditors who are now Class 5. After being stripped of being Class 6 they retrained from the bottom (Student Hat, Pro-TRs, Upper Indoc TRs, Pro!Metering, Grades) to Class 5.

Mike Rinder used to chide the COS for misrepresentations in their promo regarding the Class of an Auditor doing a seminar. Even after GAT 2, the COS would put out promo advertising that a given seminar was being put on by a named Class 6 or Class 8 Auditor. Mike would point out that that person was no longer a Class 6 or Class 8 Auditor. I believe that the COS has stopped putting out such promo for that reason.

Also, unlike with GAT 1, no Certainty Courses were offered under GAT 2. If you were Class 5, you had to completely retrain from the bottom.
 
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The Oracle

Not the same Oracle from a decade ago
The atmosphere around orgs in the early 90's, at least at what I saw, was to get people training and get them classed as auditors. By the mid 90's, the student log book in course admin was full of people that had started to train and made it to CL 0, CL 1, etc. Very few had made it through to CL IV and even fewer had done the internship.

But all this notwithstanding, there was the datum that most people operated from, and that was it was better to have tech trained execs, etc. The regges pushed on training considerably, much more than when I was a reg recently.

The days of the auditor are gone.
I think behind the con LRH used to make people think getting trained as an auditor will help you become more able, it actually disables you. You eventually become a robot obeying the implanted commands. Auditor training is the bait and then it traps. The training is filled with loaded language that is implanted into your subconscious mind. It has command power. You will be under undue influence unknowingly. It takes a miracle to get you out and keep you out of that mind fuck called Scientology.
Don‘t believe what Scientology says it is. Believe the behavior you see.
Scientology’s behavior says it all.
 

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
I think behind the con LRH used to make people think getting trained as an auditor will help you become more able, it actually disables you. You eventually become a robot obeying the implanted commands. Auditor training is the bait and then it traps. The training is filled with loaded language that is implanted into your subconscious mind. It has command power. You will be under undue influence unknowingly. It takes a miracle to get you out and keep you out of that mind fuck called Scientology.
Don‘t believe what Scientology says it is. Believe the behavior you see.
Scientology’s behavior says it all.
Well then, here is what I have been wondering all along, and now you have just voiced what I believe might be the real "Why" behind getting trained.

Did training create a more controllable person?

But if that is true, why did Davey torpedo it?
 

He-man

Hero extraordinary
Well then, here is what I have been wondering all along, and now you have just voiced what I believe might be the real "Why" behind getting trained.

Did training create a more controllable person?

But if that is true, why did Davey torpedo it?
From my point of view - If someone is "trained" in Scientology, that normally comes with a mandate and some informal authority. Class VI's and VIII's were the ones that "knew the tech" is how I remember it.

Thus, they are a threat, always was I imagine, David was never a Div 4 or 5 person himself was he?
 
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