What Happened To Training?

Dotey OT

Dis-Membered
(From another thread)

I know the BC went away, and where is the CL VIII course? All this on the tail end of GAOT 1996, where training seemed to be made into a big deal.

Where did the push on training originally come from, and why? All kinds of why's welcome, ostensibly and otherwise, including the real reason why. Let's hear it!!

And then, what happened to training, and why?
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
Each iteration of the Golden Age of Tech blew out more and more auditors.

Just not worth it anymore. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Retrain, $, retrain, $, retrain, $ . . . oh, well.

I knew people who got declared as Clear, then Un-Clear, four times, doing repeats
of their lower bridges each time to get to Clear again. Like three to four trips through
the lower bridge. A financial and mental calamity.

At one point, about 70% of people on Solo Nots were told they weren't Clear and
were forced to redo their bridges. Flag auditors -- which were mandatory at that point
-- turned out to be super expensive for a lower bridge run-through.

I know over 400 Solo Nots auditors turned in their materials and quit shortly after
GAT I was forced on everyone. Confirmed to me by a Flag mission trying to save me
after I had quit. I never looked back, having figured out it was all a financial fraud.

The whole activity devolved into a big mess.
 
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ISNOINews

Independent Scientology and Nation of Islam news
(From another thread)

I know the BC went away, and where is the CL VIII course? All this on the tail end of GAOT 1996, where training seemed to be made into a big deal.

Where did the push on training originally come from, and why? All kinds of why's welcome, ostensibly and otherwise, including the real reason why. Let's hear it!!

And then, what happened to training, and why?
The COS doesn't offer the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course and hasn't for years. The official explanation is that it has to be redone after the Golden Age of Tech found that many HCOBs, etc. had errors, the only person who can do it is David Miscavige, and he hasn't had time yet. The unofficial explanation I heard is that it is a huge time sink and they can't charge enough money to justify the Supervisor man hours required to deliver the course.
 

Dark

Well-known member
Each iteration of the Golden Age of Tech blew out more and more auditors.

Just not worth it anymore. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Retrain, $, retrain, $, retrain, $ . . . oh, well.

I knew people who got declared as Clear, then Un-Clear, four times, doing repeats
of their lower bridge each time to get to Clear again. Like three to four trips through
the lower bridge. A financial and mental calamity.

At one point, about 70% of people on Solo Nots were told they weren't Clear and
were forced to redo their bridges. Flag auditors -- which were mandatory at that point
-- turned out to be super expensive for a lower bridge run-through.

The whole activity devolved into a big mess.

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or maybe not :ohmy:
 

Dark

Well-known member
The COS doesn't offer the Saint Hill Special Briefing Course and hasn't for years. The official explanation is that it has to be redone after the Golden Age of Tech found that many HCOBs, etc. had errors, the only person who can do it is David Miscavige, and he hasn't had time yet. The unofficial explanation I heard is that it is a huge time sink and they can't charge enough money to justify the Supervisor man hours required to deliver the course.


Maybe miscavige read economics for Dummies.
So if you only have a small handful of auditors, you can charge 20 times as much for them.
And since the buying demand is at an all time low, adjustments must be made.


Finding Market Equilibrium Price and Quantity
Buyers and sellers interact in markets. Market equilibrium occurs when the desires of buyers and sellers align exactly so that neither group has reason to change its behavior. The market equilibrium price, p*, and equilibrium quantity, q*, are determined by where the demand curve of the buyers, D, crosses the supply curve of the sellers, S. At that price, the amount that the buyers demand equals the amount that the sellers offer.

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ISNOINews

Independent Scientology and Nation of Islam news
At one point, about 70% of people on Solo Nots were told they weren't Clear and
were forced to redo their bridges. Flag auditors -- which were mandatory at that point
-- turned out to be super expensive for a lower bridge run-through.
Let me see if I understand this correctly.

Someone is on Solo Nots.

They are told they aren't Clear and have to redo their lower Bridge.

And they have to use Flag Auditors at Flag rates to redo their lower Bridge?

Which also means that if their family and business are in Hawaii, they have have to stay in or fly back and forth to Flag in Clearwater, FL to redo their lower Bridge? They can't do it at the COS of Hawaii and then at AOLA?

Seriously?
 
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ISNOINews

Independent Scientology and Nation of Islam news
Yes, around 70-75 percent auditing on 7 were given the "not clear r-factor'
and forced to redo whatever necessary. I kid you not.
That is not what surprised me. While that is horrendously bad enough, what surprised me was having to redo the lower Bridge at Flag at Flag rates.

I get that if one is Clear and on the OT levels, one is supposed to have that Classed Auditor or above for any auditing action, including an Assist if I recall correctly. But it one is told that one is not Clear, what possible justification is there for not allowing them to use a Class 5 Auditor to redo their lower Bridge up to Clear?
 

Lee #28

Well-known member
Each iteration of the Golden Age of Tech blew out more and more auditors.

Just not worth it anymore. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Retrain, $, retrain, $, retrain, $ . . . oh, well.

I knew people who got declared as Clear, then Un-Clear, four times, doing repeats
of their lower bridges each time to get to Clear again. Like three to four trips through
the lower bridge. A financial and mental calamity.

At one point, about 70% of people on Solo Nots were told they weren't Clear and
were forced to redo their bridges. Flag auditors -- which were mandatory at that point
-- turned out to be super expensive for a lower bridge run-through.

I know over 400 Solo Nots auditors turned in their materials and quit shortly after
GAT I was forced on everyone. Confirmed to me by a Flag mission trying to save me
after I had quit. I never looked back, having figured out it was all a financial fraud.

The whole activity devolved into a big mess.

Yea.....GAT I was a major factor that blew me out of the water too.

I was on the SHSBC at AHSO.....on the next to the last level of the course. 2 1/2 years of my life invested into that course....

Then everyone on the Course was Routed over to CC.....to do the new GAT 1 style Upper Indoc Course....( some new name for it....I forget)

So I paid for that....and did it.

Then back to ASHO......then they required me to do the "new e-meter course" GAT 1 style. ( and I beieve all BC Students to do so...)

But that made a difference for me....I just couldn't afford it. But that really wasn't the reason.

All this....stuff ....OBVIOUSLY was already part of the SHSBC....and I had already done these materials....

I was on the Student Auditing portions of the Course....and had audited over 1000 hours already...

It really was a slap in the face!....

And as IL2L posted above.....same old same old Cult game of do and re-do and pay and pay ....for the same thing over and over again.

I left and didn't go back.

There's a lot more to the story.....but that is why I wasn't "allowed" to finish the BC.

The whole deal really stank of a money grab.....especially the part of sending all the SHSBC students to Celebrity Center to do a Course..... That was crazy stuff! That must have been some sort of Stat Push thing too...for the newly released course.

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The Scientology Cult had already changed the Course Materials ( Check Sheets) 3 TIMES while I was on the Course....and the new GAT 1 stuff would have been the 4th time. It was a crazy time.
 
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programmer_guy

True ex-Scientologist
(From another thread)

I know the BC went away, and where is the CL VIII course? All this on the tail end of GAOT 1996, where training seemed to be made into a big deal.

Where did the push on training originally come from, and why? All kinds of why's welcome, ostensibly and otherwise, including the real reason why. Let's hear it!!

And then, what happened to training, and why?
1. Ideally, the person was supposed to go up both sides of "The Bridge". (co-auditing was one way to do that.)

2. I am still wondering why the Briefing Course was eventually dropped.

(BTW, I am not defending Scientology.)
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
But it one is told that one is not Clear, what possible justification is there for not allowing them to use a Class 5 Auditor to redo their lower Bridge up to Clear?
Once you get on Nots, you're gonna be bringing up content and theory
from that level during sessions and -- per LRH -- that would harm lower
level case auditors. Strictly forbidden.

Must be a Class 9 ($$$) or above at that point.
 

ISNOINews

Independent Scientology and Nation of Islam news
2. I am still wondering why the Briefing Course was eventually dropped.
As I said above, the official reason why the Briefing Course was dropped is that it has to be redone after the Golden Age of Tech found that many HCOBs, etc. had errors, the only person who can do it is David Miscavige, and he hasn't had time yet.

The unofficial explanation I heard is that it is a huge time sink and they can't charge enough money to justify the Supervisor man hours required to deliver the course. People spent years on the course for a relatively small fee by Scientology standards.

As I recall, Mike Rinder has opined that the SHSBC is never coming back. I am not so sure. I think that they may release it again when they have to release *something* to keep the game going. I think we may see KTL and LOC again for the same reason.
 

ISNOINews

Independent Scientology and Nation of Islam news
Once you get on Nots, you're gonna be bringing up content and theory
from that level during sessions and -- per LRH -- that would harm lower
level case auditors. Strictly forbidden.

Must be a Class 9 ($$$) or above at that point.
That does make sense from the Scientology viewpoint. But, wow.
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
Saint Hill Special Briefing Course
Don't quote me, but I got the feeling that half the stuff one studies religiously on the SHSBC
was invalidated, changed or nullified at some point later in the course. Maybe a year later,
maybe even just a week later. The whole course seems like it is a series of flip-flops and/or
a meandering river. Much of it is historical background, dead ends, and un-resolved avenues
of inquiry. Many students complained about this later on.

I'm speaking as if any of it is valid. It is not. Just trying to explain it to you as a believer would.

I never did the course, but I've looked over much of it -- and the tapes -- and have spoken to
many people who did it.


Basically, it is a "research record" of what was in Ron's imagination day to day, week to week.
Or how he felt and what he made up during his self-examinations and flights of fancy, which
changed a helluva lot over the years. Constantly. Sometimes daily.
 
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Lee #28

Well-known member
Don't quote me, but I got the feeling that half the stuff one studies religiously on the SHSBC
was invalidated, changed or nullified at some point later in the course. Maybe a year later,
maybe even just a week later. The whole course seems like it is a series of flip-flops and/or
a meandering river. Much of it is historical background, dead ends, and un-resolved avenues
of inquiry. Many students complained about this later on.

I'm speaking as if any of it is valid. It is not. Just trying to explain it to you as a believer would.

I never did the course, but I've looked over much of it -- and the tapes -- and have spoken to
many people who did it.

Basically, it is a "research record" of what was in Ron's imagination day to day, week to week.
Or how he felt and what he made up during his self-examinations and flights of fancy, which
changed a helluva lot over the years. Constantly. Sometimes daily.
Perhaps.....

The "Wall of Tapes" was interesting.... I think there were 238 lectures....? most about 1.5 hour each

And of course....starting to Audit other people...

But be that as it may.......I was an Illegal PC and was fulfilling a Petition Requirement from C/S International to become an Auditor before I could go on to OT V.

I was classified as an Illegal PC due to what my Father did for a living.

So...there was really no choice for me. I could have done Class 4......but chose Class 6.

But that is now all water under the bridge....a long time ago. About 20 years ago.
 
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(From another thread)

I know the BC went away, and where is the CL VIII course? All this on the tail end of GAOT 1996, where training seemed to be made into a big deal.

Where did the push on training originally come from, and why? All kinds of why's welcome, ostensibly and otherwise, including the real reason why. Let's hear it!!

And then, what happened to training, and why?
I can’t answer why and how training was dropped out, but I have some fair knowledge of why L Rob set it up that way in the first place.

L Ron’s original model was co-audits. DMSMH co-audits, the original ACC and even married people co-audited. According to stories I heard from old-timers, ol L Ron loved overseeing the co-audits and thought everyone should be both an auditor and pc for the best gains. This was back in the early days, when Hubbard might have actually believed he would one day make the miraculous discoveries he had already told the world he had made (but hadn’t, lol). :coolwink:

There are lots of policies and HCOBs, even tapes where Hubbard makes snarky comments about full time pc’s.

DM changed the business model.
 

Riddick

I clap to no man
(From another thread)

I know the BC went away, and where is the CL VIII course? All this on the tail end of GAOT 1996, where training seemed to be made into a big deal.

Where did the push on training originally come from, and why? All kinds of why's welcome, ostensibly and otherwise, including the real reason why. Let's hear it!!

And then, what happened to training, and why?
The big push for training originally came from Hubbard and Campbell in the release of DMSH in the 1950's. That's when it all started. In DMSMH any two people could read the book and clear themselves. I guess you could it a co-audit. Hmmm.

What revived DMSMH was Jefferson Hawkins and Steve Hall commercials on TV. Once again co-audit.


But anyways, what about training, in training you needed a guinea pig to train on, co-audit sort of, LOL.
 

ISNOINews

Independent Scientology and Nation of Islam news
I can’t answer why and how training was dropped out, but I have some fair knowledge of why L Rob set it up that way in the first place.

L Ron’s original model was co-audits. DMSMH co-audits, the original ACC and even married people co-audited. According to stories I heard from old-timers, ol L Ron loved overseeing the co-audits and thought everyone should be both an auditor and pc for the best gains. This was back in the early days, when Hubbard might have actually believed he would one day make the miraculous discoveries he had already told the world he had made (but hadn’t, lol). :coolwink:

There are lots of policies and HCOBs, even tapes where Hubbard makes snarky comments about full time pc’s.

DM changed the business model.
I think this thread may be based on a faulty premise. The SHSBC was dropped for the reasons explained above. That doesn't mean that training was dropped. It wasn't. People still train to Class 5 and do the specialist courses (e.g., Sec Checker, Marriage Auditing).

To bring everyone up to present time, the purpose of GAT 2 was largely to reverse many of the changes made by GAT 1. (At the GAT 2 event Miscavige made a vague but snarchy comment about the people who compiled GAT 1).

Unlike under GAT 1, under GAT 2 Pro TRs no longer requires an RTC video pass. The course is taking a much shorter time.

Under GAT 1, oeople were taking a year or more to pass Pro Metering. I knew someone who was on it for two years. Many simply gave up. That has been reversed under GAT 2. This course is also taking a much shorter time.

The focus of GAT 1 was perfection. The focus of GAT 2 is speed, getting people through, getting them trained.

Scientology has long gone through this cycle on the training side.

One phase is a war against "quickie" anything and an emphasis on technical perfection. This leads to people taking far too long to complete and dropping out.

The next phase is a war against "additives" and "too long of runway" with an emphasis on speed. This leads to the "no tesults" (there are always "no tesults") being blamed on things being omitted and quickied.

My impression is that a lot of people on this thread and on ESMBR got out around the time (and perhaps in part because) of GAT 1, and assume things are the same under GAT 2. They are not regarding training or auditing.

(On the processing side, GAT 2 got rid if the requirement to run every possible process on every flow to complete a Grade. This was done, you guessedcit, to speed things up.)
 

Lee #28

Well-known member
^^^^^^

Well not entirely true.

Certainly back in the 70's Taking an Auditor Course was sold as the "cheap way up the bridge" due to Co-Auditing in the Course Room.

That did become a problem after many did OT3.....and higher trained Auditors were needed....

Any Co-Audit would require one to be a Class 8.....at that point....AND closely guarded at the AOs
 
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