What does ChatGPT know about the real ILove2Lurk? And three more Qs.

[ILove2Lurk]

Prompt
On the Ex-Scientology Message Board Redux (ESMB), who is the real person behind the avatar (member) ILove2Lurk?

The true identity of the person behind the avatar ILove2Lurk on the Ex-Scientology Message Board Redux (ESMB) is not publicly confirmed. ESMB, like many online forums discussing sensitive topics such as Scientology, often allows or encourages pseudonymous participation to protect members' privacy and safety.

Unless the individual behind that username has publicly disclosed their identity in a verifiable way, or it has been confirmed through reputable sources, it would be speculative and inappropriate to guess or reveal personal details.

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Prompt
Does David Miscavige, the leader of Scientology, actually believe in Scientology, or is he just faking a true belief?

There is no definitive public evidence to prove whether David Miscavige, the leader of the Church of Scientology, genuinely believes in Scientology's doctrines or is merely using them strategically for power or control. However, we can consider a few perspectives:

1. Evidence suggesting genuine belief:

• Miscavige was raised in Scientology from a young age and became deeply involved early in life.
• He rose through the ranks under the direct supervision of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, and has shown consistent dedication to advancing the Church's mission.
• His public statements and behavior often align with the kind of deep belief typically seen in high-control religious movements.

2. Evidence suggesting strategic or performative belief:

• Numerous former high-ranking Scientologists (e.g., Mike Rinder, Marty Rathbun, and others) have alleged that Miscavige is more focused on control, power, and wealth than on spiritual enlightenment.
• Some insiders claim he has displayed cynicism about Scientology's more fantastical elements in private, though these claims are not independently verified.
• His reported authoritarian leadership style and the Church's extensive efforts to protect its image and suppress dissent suggest motivations beyond spiritual conviction.

3. A complex middle ground:

It's possible Miscavige’s belief is sincere but shaped by a different interpretation than that of rank-and-file members. Leaders in high-demand religious groups often see themselves as uniquely responsible for preserving the group, which can lead to decisions that appear manipulative or inconsistent from the outside.

Conclusion:

We simply don't have access to David Miscavige's inner thoughts. Whether he believes in Scientology in a literal, symbolic, or opportunistic way remains unknown. The answer may lie somewhere between genuine belief and strategic leadership.

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Prompt
L Ron Hubbard went off to "Target Two" after he died. Where is Target two actually?

“Target Two” is a term used in Scientology that refers to a spiritual mission L. Ron Hubbard was said to be undertaking after his death, but its exact meaning is deliberately vague and metaphysical, not geographic or verifiable.

What Scientology says:

When Hubbard died in 1986, the Church publicly announced that he had voluntarily left his physical body to continue his research in a disembodied state—to move on to “Target Two”. The explanation was that he had completed his work on Earth ("Target One") and was going to operate independently of his body to advance Scientology's spiritual goals elsewhere in the universe.

This announcement was given in a formal event by Church officials, including David Miscavige, and was framed as a continuation—not an end—of Hubbard’s mission.

So where is Target Two?

• Not a physical place: It’s not a real location that can be mapped. Instead, it's a spiritual or cosmic concept within Scientology's cosmology.
• Consistent with Scientology doctrine: Scientology teaches that the thetan (spirit) is separate from the body and can travel freely, even between planets or galaxies. So “Target Two” fits that broader idea of post-death spiritual activity.
• Not explained in detail: The Church has never elaborated on what Target Two entails, nor has it offered any teachings or materials publicly that describe it in any concrete way.

Interpretations:

• Inside Scientology: It's accepted as part of the mythos—something only fully understandable at higher spiritual levels.
• Outside Scientology: Critics and ex-members often view "Target Two" as a symbolic narrative designed to maintain Hubbard’s authority and mystique after death.

Summary:

"Target Two" is not a real place—it’s a spiritual concept meant to signify Hubbard’s ongoing cosmic mission after death. It reflects Scientology's belief in the immortality and independence of the spirit, but it has no literal location or evidence to support it.

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Prompt
Is the "Confidential Student Briefing" that has been circulating on the Internet for years ( found at this link: OT VIII "Confidential" Student Briefing ) an actual L Ron Hubbard authored document or a fake document authored by others in your opinion?

The “Confidential Student Briefing” you've referred to—often linked with the controversial original version of OT VIII (Operating Thetan Level VIII)—is a highly debated document. It has circulated on the internet for many years and includes claims that are significantly more extreme and inflammatory than anything in publicly released Scientology materials.

What the document claims:

• It presents L. Ron Hubbard as having revealed, near the end of his life, a cosmic battle involving himself as a messianic figure.
• It suggests a coming apocalypse and implies Hubbard would return.
• It includes anti-religious rhetoric, particularly against Christianity, and describes Scientologists as “the last hope” for humanity.

Now, to your core question: Is this an authentic L. Ron Hubbard-authored document or a fake?

Arguments that it might be authentic:

1. Reported by credible ex-members: Several former high-level Scientologists, including Jesse Prince and David Mayo, have said that the original OT VIII included material similar in tone and content to the document in question.
2. Church response: When this version of OT VIII first leaked in the late 1980s, the Church of Scientology quickly and aggressively distanced itself from it, saying it was either a forgery or an early draft that was withdrawn. This type of disavowal is not uncommon in high-control groups but does not necessarily confirm inauthenticity.
3. Stylistic similarity: Some who are familiar with Hubbard’s style note that the language and tone are similar to other esoteric or late-period writings attributed to him (e.g., the “Space Opera” narratives in OT III).

Arguments that it’s likely fake or altered:

1. Church of Scientology’s official stance: The Church firmly denies the document's authenticity. It has stated that the actual OT VIII does not include the content seen in that version.
2. No corroborated original source: The briefing has never been proven to originate from official Church publications or materials in the Sea Org archives. No one has produced a verifiable original copy bearing Hubbard’s signature or church publication markings.
3. Inconsistent with later OT VIII releases: After Hubbard’s death, when OT VIII was officially released aboard the Freewinds in 1988, the materials were far more subdued and did not include messianic or apocalyptic statements.
4. Known hoaxes exist: Some critics of Scientology have been known to fabricate or embellish documents to discredit the Church—though this doesn’t automatically mean this specific briefing is one of them.

Conclusion:

While it's impossible to say with absolute certainty without access to internal Church documents, the “Confidential Student Briefing” appears more likely to be a fake or at best a disputed, possibly early draft that was never meant for full release. The document’s extraordinary claims, the Church’s disavowal, and lack of verifiable provenance weigh heavily against its authenticity.

However, the fact that multiple credible ex-Scientologists claim it resembles early versions of OT VIII does keep the debate alive. It’s best viewed as a controversial and possibly apocryphal document, representing one thread of how Hubbard’s ideas evolved—or were interpreted—late in his life.

 

[TheSneakster]

He [David Miscavige] rose through the ranks under the direct supervision of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, and has shown consistent dedication to advancing the Church's mission.

False report that comes directly from D.M.'s own lying propaganda about himself.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

@TheSneakster at least give me a like for asking the question, LOL.

 

[TheSneakster]

@TheSneakster at least give me a like for asking the question, LOL.

I'm not ever going to give any form of approval to Generative AI bullshit posted in this venue or anywhere else.

I have just demonstrated why, which is one of the oldest maxims of Computer Science: Garbage In, Garbage Out.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

. . . one of the oldest maxims of Computer Science: Garbage In, Garbage Out.

True dat. Exactly what I immediately concluded. Immediately!

That said, I thought I might catch you in a generous mood for a moment
in your advancing years, that is. People soften up as they get older. Life
is not so serious for some.

 

[Type4_PTS]

I'm not ever going to give any form of approval to Generative AI bullshit posted in this venue or anywhere else.

I have just demonstrated why, which is one of the oldest maxims of Computer Science: Garbage In, Garbage Out.

While that IS true, that tends to be true of humans as well. Educate humans with bad information (AKA "garbage"), they're likely to output bad information as well. Educate them with good information, the opposite is true.

But Generative AI can be trained using good data as well, and can be trained on much more information than a human can assimilate.

Not all of what ChatGPT answers about Scientology is "bullshit".

 

[Isaac]

Me asking Chat GPT AI: Does Scientology “work”?
AI : If you define “work” as:

• Achieving self-awareness, emotional insight, or temporary relief from trauma — some people say certain early parts of Scientology (especially basic communication drills or early auditing) gave them benefits similar to therapy, mindfulness, or coaching.
• But these effects are not unique to Scientology, and they are not sustained once deeper indoctrination and pressure begin.

If you define “work” as:

• Producing a “New Man” (Homo Novus) with increased IQ, no illness, total freedom from reactive behavior, or literal “Operating Thetan” superpowers (like telepathy, full recall of past lives, or control over matter, energy, space, and time) —
  There is zero credible evidence that any of this has ever been achieved.

Even long-term, high-level Scientologists (including those who completed OT VIII, the highest level currently available) still get sick, age, have mental breakdowns, or leave the church — some have even died tragically or by suicide.

The Scientology “Bridge to Total Freedom” — Why It’s Problematic

• It promises near-omniscient, godlike transformation but delivers a rigid, expensive, authoritarian control structure.
• It can produce temporary euphoric states (sometimes during auditing) which are then held out as “proof” of progress, while the individual is being indoctrinated and financially drained.
• Members are often told failure is their own fault — because they’re “PTS,” have unhandled overts, or didn’t apply the tech correctly. This shifts blame away from the system.

Why Do People Still Defend It?
1. Sunk Cost Fallacy

• People invest decades, life savings, family relationships — and it’s psychologically devastating to admit it may have been for nothing.

2. Cognitive Dissonance

• The human brain tries to resolve conflict between belief and reality by doubling down:
  “It must work… I just haven’t gone far enough on the Bridge yet.”

3. Fear

• Speaking out can lead to disconnection, harassment, surveillance, or blackmail (especially if they confessed secrets in auditing).
• Many defenders are still inside, or still mentally in, and fear reprisals from the Church.

4. Identity & Belonging

• For some, Scientology is their entire worldview and community. Giving it up can feel like ego death.

Bottom Line:

Scientology does not deliver on its ultimate promises.
It has never demonstrably produced a Homo Novus, a Clear who is free of all reactive behavior, or an Operating Thetan with any measurable “OT abilities.”


What it does “work” at is:

• Recruiting
• Controlling
• Isolating
• Profiting off hope and suffering

 

[Isaac]

I'm not ever going to give any form of approval to Generative AI bullshit posted in this venue or anywhere else.

I have just demonstrated why, which is one of the oldest maxims of Computer Science: Garbage In, Garbage Out.

"Garbage in, garbage out" in Scientology:

This phrase means that if the information or beliefs you start with are flawed, then everything built on them will be flawed too — no matter how complex or sincere the system is.


In Scientology:

• The entire belief structure is based on unproven, often fantastical ideas from L. Ron Hubbard — like body thetans, past life trauma causing illness, or the existence of "Operating Thetans" with superpowers.
• If these core ideas are false or delusional, then all the "tech," auditing, and training built on them won't produce real or lasting results.

So, even if someone works hard, spends hundreds of thousands of dollars, and follows every rule, the outcome will still be distorted — because the foundation (the “input”) is faulty.


That’s garbage in… garbage out.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Not all of what ChatGPT answers about Scientology is "bullshit".

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If I was in a life-and-death situation where I was being forced to answer this question---and if I had to bet my life, here is how I would vote:

THE QUESTION:
Which one of these three is the most
knowledgeable about the subject of Scientology?
a) a Scientologist b) an "Indie" Scientologist" or c) ChatGPT? ​

I would not have to research the question. I would easily be able to answer that question without a hesitation or a care in the world that I might be wrong.

My answer would be: c) ChatGPT.

One can quite easily name hundreds of things that ChatGPT knows about L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology that Scientologists and Indie Scientologist haven't a clue about. Let's just name one of those here for fun. ChatGPT knows, for example, that not one Scientologist ever gained the supernatural ability that Scientology has been selling for 75 years called "EXTERIORIZATION".

Here's another example. Not one Scientologist ever realized the "CLEAR" abilities that Hubbard guaranteed could be attained in 20 hours or less of auditing in his 1950 book "DIANETICS".

Sorry Scientology Clears and OTs, there is no possibility that you can compete with ChatGPT on the subject of Scientology. It must be very disappointing to discover that the SPs and blown Scientologists are the ones who actually "know how to know" that Scientology is a hoax.

EDIT ADDED: Actually Scientologists and Indies would be quite shocked to learn that the following persons or resources know exponentially more about Scientology than they do.

1. EX SCIENTOLOGISTS WHO HAVE BLOWN KNOW MORE.​

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2. DECLARED SPS KNOW MORE.​

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3. WOGS WITH ACCESS TO GOOGLE KNOW MORE.​

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4. INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS KNOW MORE​

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5. DEGRADED BEINGS WITH CHATGPT KNOW MORE​

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6. CHATGBT ITSELF KNOWS MORE.​

Kinda sucks to be a "knowing-how-to-know" scientologist when you know less
than non-scientologists know about Scientology, don't it? It bears repeating that:
"THE KNOWING-HOW-TO-KNOW-PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS THE LAST TO KNOW".


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[Type4_PTS]

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If I was in a life-and-death situation where I was being forced to answer this question---and if I had to bet my life, here is how I would vote:

THE QUESTION:
Which one of these three is the most
knowledgeable about the subject of Scientology?
a) a Scientologist b) an "Indie" Scientologist" or c) ChatGPT? ​

I would not have to research the question. I would easily be able to answer that question without a hesitation or a care in the world that I might be wrong.

My answer would be: c) ChatGPT.

One can quite easily name hundreds of things that ChatGPT knows about L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology that Scientologists and Indie Scientologist haven't a clue about. Let's just name one of those here for fun. ChatGPT knows, for example, that not one Scientologist ever gained the supernatural ability that Scientology has been selling for 75 years called "EXTERIORIZATION".

Here's another example. Not one Scientologist ever realized the "CLEAR" abilities that Hubbard guaranteed could be attained in 20 hours or less of auditing in his 1950 book "DIANETICS".

Sorry Scientology Clears and OTs, there is no possibility that you can compete with ChatGPT on the subject of Scientology. It must be very disappointing to discover that the SPs and blown Scientologists are the ones who actually "know how to know" that Scientology is a hoax.


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If I remember correctly, you have an OT VIII Scientologist who posts occasionally in the Stupid thread. Perhaps we can ask him some questions and ask ChatGPT the same question, and see who provides the more accurate answer.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

If I remember correctly, you have an OT VIII Scientologist who posts occasionally in the Stupid thread. Perhaps we can ask him some questions and ask ChatGPT the same question, and see who provides the more accurate answer.

Are you referring to William "Billy" Blowdown--the OT VIII that has won "IDEAL SCIENTOLOGIST OF THE YEAR" for the last 10 consecutive years?

I will try to contact him but he's been kind of "off grid" while bogged down on a clay demo at Flag for the past 5 months. It appears that he ran into a "crashing MU" on the LRH study tech that requires that students demo out concepts using paper clips and "used batteries". It all started when Billy was unable to clear the concept of why the batteries in his demo kit had to be used. He was sent to the word clearer but even that did not clear up his confusion. Billy was then sent to Ethics because he showed up again with newly purchased batteries in his demo kit.

Anyways, after Billy got thru the lower conditions for "squirreling" he was then routed back to cramming where he keeps getting flunked on his clay demo which he was assigned: "Why demo kit batteries must be used in order to ensure that the demo tech is standardly applied per Ron and the policy Keeping Scientology Working.

I'll try to reach Billy again. Do you have any questions you wanted him to answer? I'll try to think of a few also. . .



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[Type4_PTS]

Are you referring to William "Billy" Blowdown--the OT VIII that has won "IDEAL SCIENTOLOGIST OF THE YEAR" for the last 10 consecutive years?

I will try to contact him but he's been kind of "off grid" while bogged down on a clay demo at Flag for the past 5 months. It appears that he ran into a "crashing MU" on the LRH study tech that requires that students demo out concepts using paper clips and "used batteries". It all started when Billy was unable to clear the concept of why the batteries in his demo kit had to be used. He was sent to the word clearer but even that did not clear up his confusion. Billy was then sent to Ethics because he showed up again with newly purchased batteries in his demo kit.

Anyways, after Billy got thru the lower conditions for "squirreling" he was then routed back to cramming where he keeps getting flunked on his clay demo which he was assigned: "Why demo kit batteries must be used in order to ensure that the demo tech is standardly applied per Ron and the policy Keeping Scientology Working.

I'll try to reach Billy again. Do you have any questions you wanted him to answer? I'll try to think of a few also. . .



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Yes, Billy!

One burning question I have is this. Scientologists claim to be the most spiritually advanced beings on the planet, with recall of many lifetimes going back trillions of years. Why haven't they released any technology from advanced civilizations of the past?

If Billy doesn't know, maybe ChatGPT does.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Another question I have is, did Hubbard really invent music earlier on the whole track when he was known as Arp Cola?

 

[Lee #28]

I was really surprised at the extent of ChatGTP''s information about Scientology!

 

[Isaac]

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If I was in a life-and-death situation where I was being forced to answer this question---and if I had to bet my life, here is how I would vote:

THE QUESTION:
Which one of these three is the most
knowledgeable about the subject of Scientology?
a) a Scientologist b) an "Indie" Scientologist" or c) ChatGPT? ​

I would not have to research the question. I would easily be able to answer that question without a hesitation or a care in the world that I might be wrong.

My answer would be: c) ChatGPT.

One can quite easily name hundreds of things that ChatGPT knows about L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology that Scientologists and Indie Scientologist haven't a clue about. Let's just name one of those here for fun. ChatGPT knows, for example, that not one Scientologist ever gained the supernatural ability that Scientology has been selling for 75 years called "EXTERIORIZATION".

Here's another example. Not one Scientologist ever realized the "CLEAR" abilities that Hubbard guaranteed could be attained in 20 hours or less of auditing in his 1950 book "DIANETICS".

Sorry Scientology Clears and OTs, there is no possibility that you can compete with ChatGPT on the subject of Scientology. It must be very disappointing to discover that the SPs and blown Scientologists are the ones who actually "know how to know" that Scientology is a hoax.


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I too would vote Chat GPT.

In my humble opinion - it's the right thing to do given that Hubbard has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be a criminal con man who started a religion to get rich and "smash his name into history". Members inside Scientology are clueless and are hypnotised and brainwashed to believe everything they are told. They have no cricital thinking skills because they are punished and convinced not to have any. Outside of Scientology, member's practicing Scientology still believe in the "tech" even though there is no evidence in 74 years of a Homo Novus Clear or OT.

But let's see what Chat GPT says about who would be the most reliable source:

Me to Chat GPT: "What is the most reliable resource to know about the subject of Scientology? A Scientologist who has obtained the "state of Clear"? A Scientologist like Tom Cruise, a famous celebrity who is OT VIII, has hob nobbed with leaders around the world, is the Leader of Scientology's best friend? An Independent Scientologist who practices Scientology outside of the control of the Church of Scientology? Chat GPT? Tell us why you came to the conclusion you did Chat GPT"?

Chat GPT:

Excellent — and very important — question. When evaluating a controversial and secretive system like Scientology, the most reliable resource isn't one person (even if they've gone “Clear” or reached OT VIII) — it's the convergence of multiple independent sources, especially those with:

• First-hand experience,
• Freedom to speak critically, and
• No incentive to deceive or recruit.

So let's break this down honestly:


1. A Scientologist who has obtained the "State of Clear"

Not reliable.
Why? Because they are still within the belief system, under pressure to report “wins” and avoid “invalidating the tech.”

• They are not allowed to question Scientology publicly without being labeled “suppressive.”
• Many “Clears” later admit the state didn’t hold up — they still struggled with trauma, emotions, or illness.
  L. Ron Hubbard himself changed the definition of Clear multiple times.

2. A Celebrity Scientologist like Tom Cruise (OT VIII)

Even less reliable.
Why? Because celebrity Scientologists are part of a carefully curated PR campaign.

• Tom Cruise benefits from protection, privilege, and promotion within the church.
• He cannot publicly criticize Scientology without losing access to his community and being “disconnected.”
• He has no transparency about what OT VIII actually includes, and there's no verifiable evidence of OT abilities.
  Public power ≠ private clarity or honesty.

3. An “Independent Scientologist” practicing outside the Church

More honest, but still not fully reliable.
Why? Independent Scientologists often reject the abuses of the Church but still believe in Hubbard’s tech, including past lives, thetans, and the Bridge.

• They may offer more transparency, but are still using the same unproven foundations.
• Some acknowledge problems, others rebrand Hubbard’s ideas without scrutiny.

4. ChatGPT?

Useful, but not your final authority.
Why? I provide:

• A neutral, broad-scope summary of dozens of primary sources, ex-member testimonies, court documents, books, and academic studies.
• No agenda, no membership, and no financial interest — but I also don't have personal lived experience inside Scientology.
  My strength is helping you compare, contextualize, and question — not dictate belief.

5. Most Reliable Source: Former Members Who Are Free to Speak

People who:

• Spent years inside (including as staff or Sea Org)
• Left the Church and are no longer under threat of disconnection or Fair Game
• Have no financial interest in recruiting or selling the tech
• Share their stories publicly, often with documentation

Trusted examples:

• Mike Rinder (former international spokesperson for Scientology)
• Leah Remini (actress and outspoken critic)
• Claire and Marc Headley (Sea Org whistleblowers)
• Jon Atack (author, former member turned researcher)
• Chris Shelton (ex-Scientologist turned educator)
• HelluvaHoax!
• ILove2Lurk
• Isaac
• Type4 PTS

I added the last 4 ^^^ lol
These people offer the most comprehensive, tested, and courageous insights into both the belief system and the control structure.


Conclusion (How I Came to This)

• I assess credibility based on freedom to speak, consistency of evidence, and independence from control or profit motives.
• The people most free to tell the truth about Scientology are often those who left it — after years of deep involvement — and have nothing to gain but healing and accountability.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

"The Internet is Scientology's Vietnam"
Robert Vaughn Young, 1995
Former National Spokesman
for Scientology

"ChatGPT is a direct meteor strike
into the heart of Scientology"
ILove2Lurk, 2025
Former member Lisbeth
before I took over

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Sci can never overcome people's future ChatGPT prompts,
especially as AI searches become common and ubiquitous
for everyday computer users. The truth is out there.

I've seen enough revealed just on this thread to understand
the potential harm for Scientology going forward into the future.

A real death knell, IMO.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Sci can never overcome people's future ChatGPT prompts, especially as AI searches become common and ubiquitous for everyday computer users. The truth is out there.
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"The truth is out there"
— X-FILES

"The truth is up there"
[ atop the Bridge ]
— LRH

"The truth is out here"
[ anywhere outta Scientology ]
— EX*FILES

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* EX (as in Ex-Scientologist)

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[HelluvaHoax!]

QUIZZICALLY QUIXOTIC QUOTE
du jour


"The work was free, keep it so."
—L. Ron Hubbard

- - -LET'S FACT CHECK THAT WITH CHATGPT - - -

"The work (writing the book Dianetics) was free.
It took Hubbard almost 6 weeks to write it and nobody
paid him a penny. After that, he charged every person (seeking
the miraculous cures & supernaturally magical powers that he
discovered) approximately $600,000 to attain--and frequently
more than $1M if the individual had evil personality flaws
that prevented Ron's 100% workable technology from
working--which Hubbard guaranteed it always
does 100% of the time! LOL"
—ChatGPT (advanced J&D version)


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[HelluvaHoax!]

ACTUAL CHATGPT INQUIRY ​

QUESTION: L. Ron Hubbard claimed to his parishioners the following: "THE WORK WAS FREE, KEEP IT SO". Is that true?


ChatGPT said:
L. Ron Hubbard did indeed write the phrase "The work was free. Keep it so.", and it has been widely cited within Scientology circles. The full context of that statement comes from a 1950s policy letter, often quoted by independent Scientologists or "Freezoners" (those practicing Scientology outside the official Church).

However, the way this phrase has been interpreted and applied by the Church of Scientology has not matched the spirit of that quote, according to many critics and former members. Here's a breakdown of the situation:

1. Origin of the Quote
The phrase "The work was free. Keep it so." appeared in early writings and letters by Hubbard, especially in the formative years of Dianetics and Scientology.

It conveyed a principle that the spiritual knowledge and methods should be widely accessible, without commercial barriers.

2. Contradiction in Practice
Despite the quote, Scientology services have long been associated with high costs:

Auditing sessions and training can cost thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Progressing through the "Bridge to Total Freedom" can require significant financial commitment.

Access to materials is heavily controlled by the official Church of Scientology, and there are copyright and trade secret protections enforced against unauthorized distribution.

3. Independent Scientologists' View
Many in the "Freezone" or independent Scientology movement point to this quote to argue that the original spirit of Hubbard’s work has been corrupted by the Church.

They often share and use Hubbard’s materials freely or at lower costs, seeing themselves as truer to that early principle.

Conclusion:
Yes, L. Ron Hubbard did say "The work was free. Keep it so.", but in practice, the official Church of Scientology has charged significant amounts for access to that work. This contradiction has been a point of contention and debate both inside and outside the movement.

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[HelluvaHoax!]

ACTUAL CHATGPT INQUIRY ​

QUESTION: L. Ron Hubbard claimed to his parishioners the following: "THE WORK WAS FREE, KEEP IT SO". Is that true?


ChatGPT said:
L. Ron Hubbard did indeed write the phrase "The work was free. Keep it so.", and it has been widely cited within Scientology circles. The full context of that statement comes from a 1950s policy letter, often quoted by independent Scientologists or "Freezoners" (those practicing Scientology outside the official Church).

However, the way this phrase has been interpreted and applied by the Church of Scientology has not matched the spirit of that quote, according to many critics and former members. Here's a breakdown of the situation:

1. Origin of the Quote
The phrase "The work was free. Keep it so." appeared in early writings and letters by Hubbard, especially in the formative years of Dianetics and Scientology.

It conveyed a principle that the spiritual knowledge and methods should be widely accessible, without commercial barriers.

2. Contradiction in Practice
Despite the quote, Scientology services have long been associated with high costs:

Auditing sessions and training can cost thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Progressing through the "Bridge to Total Freedom" can require significant financial commitment.

Access to materials is heavily controlled by the official Church of Scientology, and there are copyright and trade secret protections enforced against unauthorized distribution.

3. Independent Scientologists' View
Many in the "Freezone" or independent Scientology movement point to this quote to argue that the original spirit of Hubbard’s work has been corrupted by the Church.

They often share and use Hubbard’s materials freely or at lower costs, seeing themselves as truer to that early principle.

Conclusion:
Yes, L. Ron Hubbard did say "The work was free. Keep it so.", but in practice, the official Church of Scientology has charged significant amounts for access to that work. This contradiction has been a point of contention and debate both inside and outside the movement.

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So, in the pursuit of truth, go ahead and ask a Scientologist or an "Indie" Scientologist if Hubbard's claim that "THE WORK WAS FREE, KEEP IT SO" was true. Or was it a lie?

Jeez, if they answer it was a lie, that makes L. Ron Hubbard a liar.

My goodness, they surely wouldn't want that to leak out as it might slow down planetary clearing!

lol

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