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[Type4_PTS]

well, Hubbard did admit he failed, as he told Steve Paugh or however you spell his last name. Tony O made a post on the interview. Hubbard should have told Steve to tell scientologists to go home and stop being involved with scientology for I, Hubbard, have failed. But chicken shit Steve didn't have the balls to tell what Hubbard told him in private for fear of his life. And asshole Hubbard should have wrote one of his rhetoric speeches saying that he failed. Unbelievable this crock of shit called dianetics and scientology.

He didn't specify about what he failed at though, did he?

Maybe he believed he failed to do enough to 'smash his name into history'.

 

[Riddick]

He didn't specify about what he failed at though, did he?

Maybe he believed he failed to do enough to 'smash his name into history'.

he did smash his name into history to a small group of people compared to the popluation of earth. Most people around the world never heard of Hubbard, dianetics, or scientology. Don't let Hubbard's rhetoric or present time rhetoric by DM or the COS think he did.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

He didn't specify about what he failed at though, did he?

Maybe he believed he failed to do enough to 'smash his name into history'.

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But....Hubbard did successfully smash his name into history. Maybe just not the way he had hoped for.

Hubbard's extraordinary accomplishments earned him a legendary position in the annals of history, alongside of Bernie Madoff, Charles Ponzi and other like entrepreneurs who were willing to do whatever it takes to flourish and prosper!

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[Chuck J.]

OK, I hate to point this out but..... Hubbard wanted Steve P. to make him a meter that would electrocute him or some such? Isn't that being sort of irresponsible? He couldn't just do it himself without involving other people?

Steve P. apparently declined or whatever - and Hubbard did shuffle of this mortal coil more or less naturally.

 

[Veda]

To curious Scientologists, there is some good in Scientology.

 

[Riddick]

To curious Scientologists, there is some good in Scientology.

the only good in scientology is a trap to get one involved in scientology, therefore it is not good for nobody went clear, ot or returned from past life using scientology = false, or no good.

 

[marra]

If there is any good in scientology then I would suggest it can only be found in the Independent field because the official Church of Scientology is a trap that is difficult to get free from once you are entangled.

 

[Type4_PTS]

To curious Scientologists, there is some good in Scientology.

I am a curious ex-Scientologist and am wondering, is there anything beneficial in Scientology that is unobtainable by other means?

It's a question I asked multiple times of Scientologists and all I heard was: <crickets>

 

[Reyne Mayer]

I am a curious ex-Scientologist and am wondering, is there anything beneficial in Scientology that is unobtainable by other means?

It's a question I asked multiple times of Scientologists and all I heard was: <crickets>

i think that's part of why LRH prohibited 'other practices', so that people wouldn't find out 'for themselves'....

and also why they can't recruit anymore when Yoga and meditation are widely available, and psychology and especially medications have advanced significantly. (not a big fan of meds here, but they have their place and can now provide the sort of temporary relief for the afflicted -- think, if you want to be really clinical about it, postpartum depression, which is a distinct short term imbalance -- and treatment for the seriously suffering, that dianetics and scientology never could).

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

i think that's part of why LRH prohibited 'other practices', so that people wouldn't find out 'for themselves'....

and also why they can't recruit anymore when Yoga and meditation are widely available, and psychology and especially medications have advanced significantly. (not a big fan of meds here, but they have their place and can now provide the sort of temporary relief for the afflicted -- think, if you want to be really clinical about it, postpartum depression, which is a distinct short term imbalance -- and treatment for the seriously suffering, that dianetics and scientology never could).

Probably true, but a C/S has a legitimate concern if he or she is running an auditing cycle on a client, because he or she needs to know whether any changes in the person's condition are due to the case actions that are taken rather than, say, a meditation weekend the person went on during the same time frame. So even in the FZ we would be told not to do any meditation etc. whilst we were still receiving auditing (they called it something else towards the end).

 

[Type4_PTS]

Probably true, but a C/S has a legitimate concern if he or she is running an auditing cycle on a client, because he or she needs to know whether any changes in the person's condition are due to the case actions that are taken rather than, say, a meditation weekend the person went on during the same time frame. So even in the FZ we would be told not to do any meditation etc. whilst we were still receiving auditing (they called it something else towards the end).

Within the CoS was one allowed to engage in 'other practices' when not actively receiving any auditing?

 

[Reyne Mayer]

Probably true, but a C/S has a legitimate concern if he or she is running an auditing cycle on a client, because he or she needs to know whether any changes in the person's condition are due to the case actions that are taken rather than, say, a meditation weekend the person went on during the same time frame. So even in the FZ we would be told not to do any meditation etc. whilst we were still receiving auditing (they called it something else towards the end).

that's valid, if limited in scope, and is in fact used in various legitimate settings. but a professional, honest practitioner or teacher will be open to, or even encourage, someone trying out something else they're interested in, to see how it works for them -- so long as it's legitimate and not potentially harmful.

in Hubbard's CoS it's used as a complete ban on every trying anything else, and i'm pretty sure it was intended in part to fend off competition and out of fear of losing people to things that were more effective and/or less costly (in money and other terms). except of course for celebrities and other Kha Khans....

 

[Type4_PTS]

that's valid, if limited in scope, and is in fact used in various legitimate settings. but a professional, honest practitioner or teacher will be open to, or even encourage, someone trying out something else they're interested in, to see how it works for them -- so long as it's legitimate and not potentially harmful.

in Hubbard's CoS it's used as a complete ban on every trying anything else, and i'm pretty sure it was intended in part to fend off competition and out of fear of losing people to things that were more effective and/or less costly (in money and other terms). except of course for celebrities and other Kha Khans....

According to Hubbard, one shouldn't engage in any activities other than Scientology. If you go bowling a couple of nights a week rather than be at the Scientology org you might be dragged into Ethics to be "handled".

From HCO PL 16 May 1965 Issue II INDICATORS OF ORGS

"Dilettante = One who interests himself in an art or science merely as a pastime and without serious study.

In an org, this manifests itself with 'people should live a little.' 'One needs a rest from Scientology.' 'One should do something else, too'. All that kind of jazz.

Ask what they do the other nights. Bowling. Horse racing.

Boy, you better maul the case folders of staff. You have a suppressive aboard. Maybe six.

Scientology, that saves lives, is a modern miracle, is being compared to bowling. Get it?

That org or portion just isn't serious. Scientology is an idle club to it, an old lady's sewing circle.”

 

[guanoloco]

Within the CoS was one allowed to engage in 'other practices' when not actively receiving any auditing?

Hubbard Law of Commotion...

There's policy that recommends no Yoga and other things while doing a major action. This leaves the impression that between major actions this activity is OK.

However, "other fish to fry"...

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Within the CoS was one allowed to engage in 'other practices' when not actively receiving any auditing?

I never had auditing in the CofS apart from at the end of my "Ups and Downs" course, so I wouldn't know. I read Stephen Levine's "A Gradual Awakening" when I was on my comm course though, which I found helpful (my dad was terminally ill at the time and the book deals with severe illness and death amongst other things).