TOP SUPER-STUPID MOMENTS IN SCIENTOLOGY (PART V)

[Karakorum]

Meant to write "dust" not "duct" in my previous post

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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[HelluvaHoax!]

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[HelluvaHoax!]

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HEY MR. CRUISE! WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE
DOES NOT WANT ANY HELP FROM SCIENTOLOGY?
WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE LOST A FORTUNE
AND/OR LOST THEIR FAMILY FROM SCIENTOLOGY
AND THEY DON'T LIKE HAVING THEIR LIFE RUINED?

THANKS MR. CRUISE. WE WERE POSTULATING THAT ONE DAY A
SCIENTOLOGIST WOULD FINALLY GET OFF THAT WITHHOLD!

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RECAP: Tom Cruise deeply cares about planetary Clearing and helping everyone on this planet to attain "TOTAL FREEDOM". Tom also deeply cares that you use your TOTAL FREEDOM ethically, and he will hate your guts and attack you if you use any of your newfound FREEDOM in the wrong way. Such as feeling FREE to have an opinion about Scientology that is not the opinion he ordered you to have. Tom reminds all beings on this planet that when you attain TOTAL FREEDOM you are actually and literally FREE to do, read, say or think anything you want--as long as you first asked permission and your CSW was approved in writing.

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[ILove2Lurk]

Anyways, the other subject you brought up (WHY? WHY? WHY? DID I GET SUCKED INTO A FREAKISHLY STUPID CULT?) is an endlessly fascinating one. I think there are many answers to it.

Being impatient, I didn't want to let many other canaries fly into the cave to see if they returned. Thus, I became a human canary, but still made it back out, as you and our friends here did.

I became a human canary, too.

I'll tell a bit of my story of how and why, if anyone is interested. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Prologue
Was raised in a family with not much love, if any. Parents' conversations were daily
bouts of horrendous arguing at 100 decibels from the time I was a toddler. Some
of the arguments I heard at the age of five were about the paternity of my siblings.
I guess something was going on. That imprints on small children. Well, eighteen
years of that without relent.

By the time I was in college, I suffered from a dark, dreary cloud over my head at all
times. I guess looking back I could describe it as college-aged, adolescent, mild depression.
Not uncommon at that age, but plenty dreary with no answers anywhere near and no
end in sight.

Sheer desperation could describe me. Not uncommon at that age and in those times. Just
compare to college kids today. They have a different set of problems just as severe in
their own ways. It's just a f*cked up transition age for many people for a few years.

The story I haven't told
I was at a friend's house and saw a Hubbard book on the coffee table. This person was
casually looking into the subject. I was immediately drawn in by the marketing copy on
the dust jacket. Just fascinating.

I was too cautious to go into the small-town mission nearby, thinking some of the fantastical
claims were too good to be true. So here's what I did. I somehow bought about five or six books
and read through them here and there, enough to try out auditing . . . but not on me! Not yet.

In one of the books, Hubbard said that any person of moderate to high intelligence could
run these processes out of the book as written and that there was very little risk of harm.
I talked three people I knew into being my experimental raw meat preclears and audited
them. One achieved and voiced what I thought were fantastic results. A second achieved
very good results. (She's an OT8, Class 6 today, AFAIK, and still in.) The third was just
OK, as I recall.

None of my preclears had read any of the books or were trained in any way. They
were simply doing what I was telling them. One of my preclears had voiced that he was
exterior from his body and could see things while outside. I knew I wanted to achieve
these fantastical results.

So I found a fourth raw guinea pig and arranged to do a co-audit, back and forth. Neither
of us had been inside a mission as yet. Just book auditors on the outside. Read it, do it.

Our results, just OK. But I was curious and had high hopes for the subject from the auditing
I'd done on others and what I'd gotten. Only after all that, I'd walked into the local mission
and began auditor courses. As you know, it's all a downhill toboggan slide once you do that.
And a guaranteed high-speed toboggan crash eventually, way down the line.

I did try to do a proper "due diligence" before getting involved, but finding out stuff pre-Internet
was pretty difficult where I lived. Obviously the results I saw in the people I was auditing in the
field over-road the skepticism and hesitations I had at the time. *

Should I, could I have done more due diligence?
I lived in a smaller town and couldn't find much if anything at all in my local libraries. Certainly
not issues of Life from 1968, critical books or even Hubbard's books. Believe me, I had looked.
None of this stuff was readily available then. Not in flyover country.

Wasn't it obvious it was a cult? Not necessarily so by going in a mission. They were a lot more
tame and friendly and could be more set up to appear simply like professional services offices
of a mental counselor/ practitioner. Once you got to an org, then especially to Flag, the cult
look and feel is overpowering. But by then it's usually too late. At least it was for me obviously.

How about after Hubbard's death?
I remember going to the library and searching out microfiche of newspapers from other cities
to find out what the heck was going on around the time of Hubbard's death and in the years
following. I lived far away from the nucleus of Scientology action and had almost no Sci friends
I could call. I was a practicing "fabian," one who avoids direct confrontations, LOL. Instead, I was
keeping my powder dry and seeing what would happen during those post-Hubbard years.

I wish we'd have had the Internet back then. I'd have saved myself a lot of money and grief.

How am I now?
Happy as a clam now and most of my life, LOL. Better and better as I've aged, if I'm candid.
Had a modicum of success and learned some small professional skills along the way. Escaped
"the cave" in one piece, I guess, around the time of GAT I. That was enough.

Summary
I was desperate, chronically down at the time and drifting aimlessly with no good path forward
for my life. (Not uncommon for the early 20's.) Hubbard provided hope and a form of magical thinking
and escape that was irresistible at the time, if it worked as advertised. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


*Disclaimer: Just to be clear for any newbies coming to the message board, I wouldn't recommend
getting involved nowadays.

It was definitely different "back in the day." And that chronic adolescent
"depression thing" went away pretty quickly for one reason or another, too.

 

[Riddick]

I became a human canary, too.

I'll tell a bit of my story of how and why, if anyone is interested. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Prologue
Was raised in a family with not much love, if any. Parents' conversations were daily
bouts of horrendous arguing at 100 decibels from the time I was a toddler. Some
of the arguments I heard at the age of five were about the paternity of my siblings.
I guess something was going on. That imprints on small children. Well, eighteen
years of that without relent.

By the time I was in college, I suffered from a dark, dreary cloud over my head at all
times. I guess looking back I could describe it as college-aged, adolescent, mild depression.
Not uncommon at that age, but plenty dreary with no answers anywhere near and no
end in sight.

Sheer desperation could describe me. Not uncommon at that age and in those times. Just
compare to college kids today. They have a different set of problems just as severe in
their own ways. It's just a f*cked up transition age for many people for a few years.

The story I haven't told
I was at a friend's house and saw a Hubbard book on the coffee table. This person was
casually looking into the subject. I was immediately drawn in by the marketing copy on
the dust jacket. Just fascinating.

I was too cautious to go into the small-town mission nearby, thinking some of the fantastical
claims were too good to be true. So here's what I did. I somehow bought about five or six books
and read through them here and there, enough to try out auditing . . . but not on me! Not yet.

In one of the books, Hubbard said that any person of moderate to high intelligence could
run these processes out of the book as written and that there was very little risk of harm.
I talked three people I knew into being my experimental raw meat preclears and audited
them. One achieved and voiced what I thought were fantastic results. A second achieved
very good results. (She's an OT8, Class 6 today, AFAIK, and still in.) The third was just
OK, as I recall.

None of my preclears had read any of the books or were trained in any way. They
were simply doing what I was telling them. One of my preclears had voiced that he was
exterior from his body and could see things while outside. I knew I wanted to achieve
these fantastical results.

So I found a fourth raw guinea pig and arranged to do a co-audit, back and forth. Neither
of us had been inside a mission as yet. Just book auditors on the outside. Read it, do it.

Our results, just OK. But I was curious and had high hopes for the subject from the auditing
I'd done on others and what I'd gotten. Only after all that, I'd walked into the local mission
and began auditor courses. As you know, it's all a downhill toboggan slide once you do that.
And a guaranteed high-speed toboggan crash eventually, way down the line.

I did try to do a proper "due diligence" before getting involved, but finding out stuff pre-Internet
was pretty difficult where I lived. Obviously the results I saw in the people I was auditing in the
field over-road the skepticism and hesitations I had at the time. *

Should I, could I have done more due diligence?
I lived in a smaller town and couldn't find much if anything at all in my local libraries. Certainly
not issues of Life from 1968, critical books or even Hubbard's books. Believe me, I had looked.
None of this stuff was readily available then. Not in flyover country.

Wasn't it obvious it was a cult? Not necessarily so by going in a mission. They were a lot more
tame and friendly and could be more set up to appear simply like professional services offices
of a mental counselor/ practitioner. Once you got to an org, then especially to Flag, the cult
look and feel is overpowering. But by then it's usually too late. At least it was for me obviously.

How about after Hubbard's death?
I remember going to the library and searching out microfiche of newspapers from other cities
to find out what the heck was going on around the time of Hubbard's death and in the years
following. I lived far away from the nucleus of Scientology action and had almost no Sci friends
I could call. I was a practicing "fabian," one who avoids direct confrontations, LOL. Instead, I was
keeping my powder dry and seeing what would happen during those post-Hubbard years.

I wish we'd have had the Internet back then. I'd have saved myself a lot of money and grief.

How am I now?
Happy as a clam now and most of my life, LOL. Better and better as I've aged, if I'm candid.
Had a modicum of success and learned some small professional skills along the way. Escaped
"the cave" in one piece, I guess, around the time of GAT I. That was enough.

Summary
I was desperate, chronically down at the time and drifting aimlessly with no good path forward
for my life. (Not uncommon for the early 20's.) Hubbard provided hope and a form of magical thinking
and escape that was irresistible at the time, if it worked as advertised. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


*Disclaimer: Just to be clear for any newbies coming to the message board, I wouldn't recommend
getting involved nowadays.

It was definitely different "back in the day." And that chronic adolescent
"depression thing" went away pretty quickly for one reason or another, too.

Like I have been trying to say as Gib, you fell for Hubbard's rhetoric, the art of persuasion, just like I did and everybody else.

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If one where to examine all of hubbard's books, pl's, hcob's, lectures, etc. You would find

they contain all elements of persuasion, of ethos, pathos and logos.

Ethos = Hubbard's Ethics system.

Pathos = Hubbard's emotional tone scale.

Logos = Hubbard's logic of how to clear and OT somebody.

Very persuasive thru his words, but not true, as we now know.

The whole scientology structure, the org boards, from mission's to org's to Sea Org are all based on the 3 means of persuasion.

 

[Riddick]

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yah, that was Hubbard's rhetoric, but underneath it all was his ethics system of ethos, namely are your stats up, if not, you are out ethics.

The motto being make money. LOL

 

[Riddick]

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the actual scale goes something like this.

First get a free personality test. opps, thats not possible nowadays, must be 6 feet apart, how's that gonna work?

But, anyways, back in the old days, it went, get a free something, and then it escalates to more bucks to learn the secret of clear, and then even more bucks to get the wall of fire secrets, and even more bucks to get the OT7 secrets, and even more bucks to get the OT8 secrets.

ROFLMAO

 

[NotsoNutsoNow]

I will tell you something that is more spooky than LRHs teeth.

Alanzos blog.

Whenever I see anything written by him I just keep going. Maybe those funny pranksters from the religion '$cientology Sucks' can create a sign that says 'Alanzo Sucks'. Can a person belong to two 'suck' religions? Hold on, maybe they can because El Con cultists freely state that a person can belong to more than one religion that suck, for example, $cientology and Islam. The world would be better off without both of them.

 

[PirateAndBum]

Like I have been trying to say as Gib, you fell for Hubbard's rhetoric, the art of persuasion, just like I did and everybody else.

You be Gib from ESMB?

 

[ILove2Lurk]

In one of the books, Hubbard said that any person of moderate to high intelligence could
run these processes out of the book as written and that there was very little risk of harm.
I talked three people I knew into being my experimental raw meat preclears and audited
them. One achieved and voiced what I thought were fantastic results. A second achieved
very good results. (She's an OT8, Class 6 today, AFAIK, and still in.) The third was just
OK, as I recall.

None of my preclears had read any of the books or were trained in any way. They
were simply doing what I was telling them. One of my preclears had voiced that he was
exterior from his body and could see things while outside. I knew I wanted to achieve
these fantastical results.

Since a new audience will probably come around and read these posts one day,
I'll include this footnote. Something I'd written about a few months ago.

Footnote: Did I or my auditing "raw meat" experimental subjects actually achieve
gains from the processes? I know they were all young college-age people like me
and open to looking for the answers to the mysteries of life and the mind. That
much I can tell you.

What I wrote before:

That said, I've always thought that a person's imagination is the most powerful and​

unlimited capability of the mind. Some having more imaginative skills than others​

obviously. One's imagination in nearly infinitely endless (until one gets writer's block​

again). Perhaps, the most wonderful near-magical capability a person has.​

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One could conclude that the whole subject of Scientology is one of drilling, improving​

and working with the imagination. In fact, Hubbard's creative processing might have an ​

earlier antecedent in the 1890's in a therapy called guided imagination.​

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I could easily conclude that any gains I got through auditing -- and I did get what seemed ​

at the time some dramatic benefits -- could be due to drilling my imagination and ​

creative visualization skills. This is just something I've speculated about in hindsight.​

Have to give some credit where credit is due. ​

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But all those outcomes should have only taken a few months or years, not decades.​

I think the followers and true believers of the "Tony Robbins System" get the gains they were
promised and looking for and think It's the ultimate answer for their personal situations.
Otherwise, they wouldn't spend the money to travel to his big conventions and scream so loud.

I think the followers and true believers of the "Grant Cardone 10X System" get the gains they
were promised and looking for and think It's the ultimate answer for their personal situations.
Otherwise, they wouldn't spend the money to travel to his big conventions and scream so loud.

I've concluded a lot of it boils down to loud screaming with a large group of like-minded souls.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Karakorum]

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I spent 7 years in the SO living by this maxim: "Trust, but verify". This was immediately followed by another great quote: "Speak softly, but carry a big stick."

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I spent 7 years in the SO living by this maxim: "Trust, but verify". This was immediately followed by another great quote: "Speak softly, but carry a big stick."
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Whilst I was a pre-clear, I often was given briefings and r-factors from very wise upper echelon staff members on how to best stay out of ethics trouble and achieve the state of Ideal OT Scientologist.

They advised a similar policy: "Speak softly but carry a big tech estimate."

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[PirateAndBum]

More like, "Don't speak at all and be able to write a big check."

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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[BTW]

ANY INFORMATION IS VALUABLE TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU CAN USE IT. - Whoever said it, is right.
And This datum stays true, most of the time.

 

[NotsoNutsoNow]

Just on the subject of imagination:

Imagine you have a daughter and she brought home El Con as a prospective son-in-law.

Or, should I have introduced the topic as 'Your worst f***ing nightmare'?

Perhaps the only thing worse would be if she brought home Slappy from Runtsville.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS BELIEVE: Scientology has the tech to handle everything!

Since the early 1950s with the release of Dianetics & Scientology, there have been countless critics, doubters and skeptics of the "modern science" that Hubbard discovered. I am curious how Dr. Hubbard handled those degraded infidels.

“The wise man tests before he talks.
The critic but follows the fad
of a cynical and apathetic age.”
― L. Ron Hubbard
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I hate to admit it, but actually that first line ("The wise man tests before he talks") makes tremendous sense!

The inference, naturally, being that all 7.4 billion people living on this slave planet should not just take the word of researchers, scientists, the courts and ex-Scientologists. They should fairly TRY Scientology for themselves, before deciding whether it is a hoax or a modern miracle.

Because, apparently, critics are just part of a fad. This would mean that the reason 99% of people who try Scientology "blow" (escape)---because they are just following the popular fad that 99% are blowing. It's a bit confusing, because he doesn't explain why the first 99% blew. Oh well, I'm sure the answer is somewhere in the books or Research & Discovery volumes.

But wait, if Hubbard really believes that a wise man should 'test before he talks" wouldn't that mean that someone considering Scientology should "test" the subject by researching it thoroughly and speaking to those who invested decades and over a half-million dollars in studying & applying the tech?

Contrary to his "wise man" advice, Hubbard created a "sacred scriptural policy" that no one is allowed to come into Scientology with an open mind or to find out if it works. At inception, before being allowed to enroll on the first course or auditing rundown, new Scientologists are first required to sign contracts that they are not there to find out if Scientology works. The agreement also states that they are a member of the Church of Scientology----before they have done any Scientology or have any idea if it works.

Thus, Hubbard would have everyone believe that you should always be wise enough to test Scientology by DOING Scientology---which means that you PAY LAVISH SUMS just to engage in due diligence. You have to spend $200K just to see how it feels to be Clear, for example. So you then are allowed to "talk" about it.

But if you spend the $200K (or $600K to go "OT") and it didn't work and you "talk" about it, you will be summarily attacked, declared and fair gamed (destroyed). Interesting how Hubbard's advice is that you are only "wise" if you PAY FOR SCIENTOLOGY IN ADVANCE, instead of being concerned that you might be blowing a half million dollars without any due diligence.

ONE MORE THING: If it is so "wise" to "test", why didn't Hubbard test Dianetics or Scientology before making all those outrageously fraudulent claims? It's been 70 years since Hubbard claimed to have made many Clears (before DMSHM) was published. He claimed to have done hundreds of thousands of hours of scientific testing. But, even after nearly three-quarters of a century not even one page of that "research" or "clinical trials" or "scientific testing" has ever been produced. Is anyone starting to get a vague notion that perhaps there was no research?

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[Riddick]

You be Gib from ESMB?

yep, the dean wilbur tread, and others.

 

[Riddick]

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Whilst I was a pre-clear, I often was given briefings and r-factors from very wise upper echelon staff members on how to best stay out of ethics trouble and achieve the state of Ideal OT Scientologist.

They advised a similar policy: "Speak softly but carry a big tech estimate."

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Here's what is amazing, back when I read DMSMH, in 1986, thanks to Jefferson Hawkins marketing campaign. When I went into the org for a free dianetics auditing session, I assumed all staff members were "clear" and or "OT".

Turns out only a small percentage were. LOL

Red Flag I should have seen or computed. LOL

You'd think all the staff of scientology orgs were at least clear, but that's not the case. I also assumed all sea org members were OT. LOL

You'd think if this is the greatest technology on earth to help mankind, better than the invention of fire, at least all the staff would be "clear" or "OT". LOL

Are you "clear"?

Are you "OT" ?

I am released from Hubbard's Soul trapping.