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We talked to a person in the know here in ATL. A person that was on the roster in Atlanta org at the grand opening in April 2016 has now signed on to go to flag and train as a c/s for Chicago org. His five year contact for Atlanta may have run out, we are not sure.

The way that being recruited for a specific post works in the cult is they promise high, like "you are the c/s" before knowing that he would indeed make it through the training, or get ripped off onto another post. It is sort of bait and switch for those in the bubble and oblivious to this tactic. Actually, promising something like that and actually placing him on another post very easily qualifies that lie as "greatest good" and gets a free pass by all involved. Chances are he won't end up as c/s, but they will have him on contract.

I hope that person already has some tech training, nothing to C/S would be a jump. But 7 years sounds like ttc to me. Good luck to them in Chicago, if they even make it through the training.

One of the key components of going ideal, stealing staff from other orgs. It looks like expansion, until you realize all it's doing is shuffling numbers around.
 
From recent reports, TC signed up 70 people for staff. I heavily doubt that number. We have a recent news article saying the org is empty. Of course the Ideal org buildings are massive, I do think it's possible for them to have 50 staff and still have the building seem empty, especially if they have a chunk off at Flag training. Still, I really doubt TC has 70 staff, I would be surprised to hear they had 50. I also think there's a big difference between Scientology saying the org has x staff vs the org got x sign ups. I still haven't heard anything about how/why TC is doing all of this, winning the birthday game, etc. I would bet it's an SO command team (this seems to be more and more common, in years past it was rare) but I still haven't been able to confirm anything.

Budapest, 70 tech staff so at least double that total number of staff.

Milano, 238 staff.

There are still some big orgs out there, less and less in the US though. In the US everything still seems to be flowing towards CW, every week I hear about someone new moving into the area.

I think in some other countries the cost of living is so low that they have an easier time retaining staff. I think that's one of their biggest hurdles in the US, if you're only making $100 a week (and many make less than that) you might as well be making nothing, it doesn't come close to covering your FP.
 
as i posted over at The Bunker when i saw something in today's post about a report the Austin opening had been delayed, about 3 days ago i checked on their event permit again and saw that it was still for today, the 15th -- though i did notice that it still was coded as 'Pending' and not 'Final' or 'Approved' (like some of their earlier building-related permits were) which left its status unclear.

they've now switched from applying for a street closure on 4/15 to applying for parking spaces being blocked off on 5/23, so i wonder if they couldn't get approval for what they wanted and had planned for, and had to start over -- though i would bet it was more than just that.

it seems typical for $cn that they wait until the last minute and then try/hope to 'make it go right' -- in the Austin renovation process that has already cost them a year's worth of time, waiting to get contractors in a heated construction market after they'd already moved the org into temporary quarters. and in Orlando the opening was delayed for a couple of weeks at the last minute apparently because several things weren't ready, including the cult's sacred 'central files' so it's not without precedent -- we'll have to see if they're just screwing up typically and do pull off the May opening, or if their ability to get things done is experiencing unprecedented contraction.




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i finally found time to check, with the last scheduled date looming -- and it turns out Austin's 'opening' has been pushed out another week to 5/20 and is now marked 'tentative':


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Claire and Mark talk (at 1:19:05, queued up) about how at least with some of the early 'ideal' orgs like NY, when they had their 'openings' rooms and areas behind closed doors weren't finished, or the building didn't even have a certificate of occupancy. Mark had previously been talking about how in the case of NY, he'd been sent to do 4 months' of work installing AV systems, when there was only 1 month left before the 'opening' -- which he got a lot of done, but not all, in part because some of the rooms hadn't been constructed yet and so couldn't be wired.

due to strange twists of internal politics his involvement was kept hidden from DM and others ended up held to blame for 'not making it go right', but then Dear Leader promoted him to be in charge -- and set up to get blamed for -- of that part of future projects and it was a couple of months after that Mark blew. even as recently as the 'Chase wave' we have a report of that type of dictatorial problem, where the truth of what is going on is being hid from the authoritarian at the top.

 
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Still no announcements about Austin opening from inside. They're still recruiting for Austin but I don't know if that means anything, orgs are supposed to be recruiting all the time.

it seemed like time to check again and it turns out that Austin's planned 'opening' has been pushed out another 5 weeks now, to 6/24 -- though it doesn't say 'tentative' like it did last time.

i wonder if members question at all management's inability to even open buildings in any normal time frame? it's been done for 2 to 3 years, plus the org has been left struck renting an ugly little space in the meantime, and moved there a year earlier in necessary because it turned out they couldn't get contractors on short notice like management is apparently used to. plus now they can't even 'make it go right' and stick with planned/promised dates for the event.

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here's another of those cases that i keep running across, of orgs having to be bailed out by management and have their bills paid even in better times decades ago -- and in the case of one of the orgs that i thought was supposed to be among the best off in recent times. they're talking about several things that happened around 20 years ago, though the exact year of this isn't clear:

I was made to pay...when Tampa organization didn't make their rent, I was made to pay their rent from being an international management person

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That was weird. Immediately past the part you quoted, she says she didn't have the money and had to borrow it, which gives me the impression that she was ordered to pay the rent from her personal funds rather than from Int money.
 
That was weird. Immediately past the part you quoted, she says she didn't have the money and had to borrow it, which gives me the impression that she was ordered to pay the rent from her personal funds rather than from Int money.
Money always flows in one direction, up lines.
 
here's another of those cases that i keep running across, of orgs having to be bailed out by management and have their bills paid even in better times decades ago -- and in the case of one of the orgs that i thought was supposed to be among the best off in recent times. they're talking about several things that happened around 20 years ago, though the exact year of this isn't clear:



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Before the Ideal org program Tampa was a small failing org. The CW/Tampa area is also way different now compared to 20 years ago, way more Scientologists in the area.
 
Before the Ideal org program Tampa was a small failing org. The CW/Tampa area is also way different now compared to 20 years ago, way more Scientologists in the area.

i assume it has more to do with members moving to be near Flag than anything about the 'ideal' program? plus i understand Tampa has found ways to serve foreigners and their families when they come to Flag for some advanced services.

and still, it shows that bailouts of orgs, which at least a lot of critics seemed to assume were so against policy they could never happen, turn out to have been going on way back. i've run other cases where it was definitely management coffers providing the money to keep the lights on and the doors open when straits got too dire and orgs could find no other way to scrape up the money.
 
i assume it has more to do with members moving to be near Flag than anything about the 'ideal' program? plus i understand Tampa has found ways to serve foreigners and their families when they come to Flag for some advanced services.

and still, it shows that bailouts of orgs, which at least a lot of critics seemed to assume were so against policy they could never happen, turn out to have been going on way back. i've run other cases where it was definitely management coffers providing the money to keep the lights on and the doors open when straits got too dire and orgs could find no other way to scrape up the money.
I would imagine that any org bailed out would have penalties enforced.
 
Before the Ideal org program Tampa was a small failing org. The CW/Tampa area is also way different now compared to 20 years ago, way more Scientologists in the area.

There was a Dianetics / Scientology store front in St. Pete also.....but is closed down for Covid...?......and is still closed.
 
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i assume it has more to do with members moving to be near Flag than anything about the 'ideal' program? plus i understand Tampa has found ways to serve foreigners and their families when they come to Flag for some advanced services.

and still, it shows that bailouts of orgs, which at least a lot of critics seemed to assume were so against policy they could never happen, turn out to have been going on way back. i've run other cases where it was definitely management coffers providing the money to keep the lights on and the doors open when straits got too dire and orgs could find no other way to scrape up the money.
I would imagine that any org bailed out would have penalties enforced.
 
I was looking at the original post, specifically about the NY org, recalling my time there in the late 70's-mid-80's, when I was HGC lead auditor, NY foundation. What I always wonder about are the staff who are still there, remarkably, in the face of how the believed-in expansion never ever happened, 40 years later, still not generating enough income to receive a living wage, still unable to sustain keeping up with basic operating costs. The WDAH's are in the range of what I produced by myself, and even in my day, the bathrooms would frequently be without toilet paper. (I remember having a conversation with the estates manager about that, in which he explained to me that his concern was that if he spent the meager funds available to supply the stalls, people would use the toilet paper up drying their hands after washing, because there were no paper towels). The building is like a palace now, or an ornate museum, and not the no-frills barebones building it was in my day, and yet the staff can't afford food and/or rent on whatever staff pay they are given. Imagine all the reinforced self-delusion it must take to stay in that life situation. Ideas like they are being incredibly noble soldiers for the good of the world, that Scientology is "winning and expanding like never before, despite the SP's", etc. "Prison of Belief", indeed. I feel for my former friends and coworkers, no doubt suppressing deep internal suffering and cognitive dissonance, rather than leaving and liberating themselves to have a full life, as I and so many others have. I guess in their minds there is no acceptable or workable way out for them. What a contrast, between the luxurious trappings of the org, and their actual states of living and existence. They must all feel like phonies taking part in the outward presentation of success and wealth for all the better-off public, few as they are, passing through the hallways. Sad.
 
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I would imagine that any org bailed out would have penalties enforced.

there are reports that such bailouts have been set up as loans the orgs are supposed to repay someday. and i suspect debts that will never get repaid are being booked as assets, in order to keep 'stats' up.

what else is management going to do? and i wonder if in the last 3 years, reserves haven't been spent down for such things under the justification that there was just the sort of 'emergency' they are supposed to be for.
 
There was a Dianetics / Scientology store front in St. Pete also.....but is closed down for Covid...?......and is still closed.

it was a Life Improvement Center, a satellite of the org. and it closed before the pandemic...come to think of it, from what we know now around the time the 'Chase wave' went bust and staff no longer getting paid were blowing....
 
i assume it has more to do with members moving to be near Flag than anything about the 'ideal' program? plus i understand Tampa has found ways to serve foreigners and their families when they come to Flag for some advanced services.

and still, it shows that bailouts of orgs, which at least a lot of critics seemed to assume were so against policy they could never happen, turn out to have been going on way back. i've run other cases where it was definitely management coffers providing the money to keep the lights on and the doors open when straits got too dire and orgs could find no other way to scrape up the money.

Bailouts of orgs from the cont level wasn't an everyday thing, but it wasn't uncommon. The unusual thing about the chase wave was using int reserves, which isn't something I'd heard of happening. Int reserves is DMs stat so pulling from there makes his personal stat go down. That's what I recall/remember hearing anyways.

And yes, I'm sure they're structured as loans so it's still an asset on the books. And there probably was some effort to pay those loans back. I doubt they've made a significant dent in reserves. Scientology's costs are so low that they still have plenty of money in my opinion.

I was looking at the original post, specifically about the NY org, recalling my time there in the late 70's-mid-80's, when I was HGC lead auditor, NY foundation. What I always wonder about are the staff who are still there, remarkably, in the face of how the believed-in expansion never ever happened, 40 years later, still not generating enough income to receive a living wage, still unable to sustain keeping up with basic operating costs. The WDAH's are in the range of what I produced by myself, and even in my day, the bathrooms would frequently be without toilet paper. (I remember having a conversation with the estates manager about that, in which he explained to me that his concern was that if he spent the meager funds available to supply the stalls, people would use the toilet paper up drying their hands after washing, because there were no paper towels). The building is like a palace now, or an ornate museum, and not the no-frills barebones building it was in my day, and yet the staff can't afford food and/or rent on whatever staff pay they are given. Imagine all the reinforced self-delusion it must take to stay in that life situation. Ideas like they are being incredibly noble soldiers for the good of the world, that Scientology is "winning and expanding like never before, despite the SP's", etc. "Prison of Belief", indeed. I feel for my former friends and coworkers, no doubt suppressing deep internal suffering and cognitive dissonance, rather than leaving and liberating themselves to have a full like, as I and so many others have. I guess in their minds there is no acceptable or workable way out for them. What a contrast, between the luxurious trappings of the org, and their actual states of living and existence. They must all feel like phonies taking part in the outward presentation of success and wealth for all the better-off public, few as they are, passing through the hallways. Sad.

It really is sad. I'm sure many staff see themselves as martyrs fighting a holy battle against SPs. The reality that they've fallen for a scam is something they could never accept.
 
Int reserves is DMs stat so pulling from there makes his personal stat go down.

except if 'loans' to bail out insolvent orgs are put in there as assets -- with their value maybe increasing as they accrue interest....

i think there are already some signs of those sorts of shenanigans, and it's also the sort of accounting scheme not infrequently seen when failing businesses resort to fraud to try to keep things going in the belief that somehow prospects will pick up and it will all work out in the end....
 
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