In my old org, we had a staff member rape the 9 year old daughter of another staff member, OSA got involved, he was quietly kicked out, no police involvement
Thanks. That perfectly confirms my suspicions where the line was drawn between regular out-2d cases and OSA turf.
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Also, sorry to hear that. That's beyond the level of madness I ever had to face inside.
The Line was very clear: if it's something that might generate interest from the police, or negative PR, then it's OSA.
The prime mission of GO/OSA was to ensure that the Org faces no legal risks, police investigations, or negative newspaper headlines, by whatever means necessary.
That often meant quietly telling criminals to go away and don't come back. It also meant convincing victims that "expulsion" was a worse punishment than a jail sentence, so they should be satisfied with that and not go to the police (which would get the complaining witness in trouble for drawing negative PR down on the org).
I'm reminded of another incident, the HCO Area Secretary of NY Fdn murdered his (public, celebrity) girlfriend, and OSA/CMO got heavily involved to ensure that Scientology stayed out of the stories. I mentioned this story last year:
This not even remotely the first rodeo for most of the members here. Tory "Magoo" Christman briefed the ex-Co$ community on the OSA INT Internet Investigations Unit two decades ago. Nothing in your post is new information. I'm a bit puzzled by the purpose of this statement... is that a...
IMO, KRs are not unique to the Church of Scientology.
You could be an employee at a company where the CEO has narcissistic personalty disorder.
At that company there will be frequent finger-pointing and blame-gaming amongst the employees.
IMO, KRs are not unique to the Church of Scientology.
You could be an employee at a company where the CEO has narcissistic personalty disorder.
At that company there will be frequent finger-pointing and blame-gaming amongst the employees.
In most companies the CEO will not go down to micro-manage the level of the individual employee of the company.
However, most big corporations have their own ethics department where employees can file reports of abuse and wrongdoing. Though the volume of these reports appears to be a tiny fraction of what you see in scientology.
OSA gets involved when it's a legal or PR threat. The priority is keeping bad PR away from the org/church/scientologists. So yeah, they are going to convince people to not report crimes to the police etc. because it could cause negative PR.
On the subject of KRs. You can have a bad boss/co-worker anywhere you work. In scientology it's built-in to how you're supposed to operate. While I'm sure most companies have some sort of internal report line I'm also sure it's rarely used (not going to get into if that's right or wrong). In scientology you are supposed to chit/KR anything you see. J&D comment? chit. Clothes dirty? chit. Have a question and don't know who to ask? Dev-t, chit. I don't know any other company that even comes close to this. This is because the whole scientology management system is nutty but I'm not going to go into all of that.
Some universities and school districts have their own police forces, which are supposed to be the ones called instead of the regular police in the event of crimes or other incidents. This allows the school/university administrators to suppress crime stats to some degree.
Some universities and school districts have their own police forces, which are supposed to be the ones called instead of the regular police in the event of crimes or other incidents. This allows the school/university administrators to suppress crime stats to some degree.
In Poland most older and traditional universities have a sort of "independent self-rule" privilege. In practice it means the usual Polish police cannot even enter campus ground unless the university authorities explicitly asks them to do so. In pretty much all cases the university's own campus police is enough to resolve any problems.
The only time I ever recall the "big city Police" being called on campus was for additional guard duty when there was a foreign head of state visiting the campus.
Some universities and school districts have their own police forces, which are supposed to be the ones called instead of the regular police in the event of crimes or other incidents. This allows the school/university administrators to suppress crime stats to some degree.
Yeah, that's probably the closest "real world" example of how things work in Scientology. Even then, I'm sure campus/university police have far more oversight than anything that goes on in Scientology.
Yeah, that's probably the closest "real world" example of how things work in Scientology. Even then, I'm sure campus/university police have far more oversight than anything that goes on in Scientology.
The university does not have to nor intends to police things like:
- How students spend their own money
- If the students study hard or not
- Who they have sex with
- Who they communicate with
- Do they attend official events
- Do they talk shit about the rector among themselves
Basically the university police has only 10% of the tasks that gators do. And they have more manpower-per-head than inv ever had.
Which is why they... you know, sleep 8 hours a night and have fancy things like sundays off and paid vacations.
When I was the Pur-chaser at INCOMM (emphasis on chase) I got a KR written on me for not buying the correct type of ink pens for Chuck Prenner. He really had a thing for a certain brand. I told my bozz-lady that the supplier was out, no estimate on when they'd have them again. I couldn't find any other supplier, so I bought the closest I could find. I was a bit shocked at the weird barely-contained rage he had over this.
Later on it became evident he had "anger management" issues, if you know his story.
Would we proactively expend our priceless work-hours hunting down event-dodgers? No.
Would we take up a case if someone would write a KR on you? Sure.
I mean it would be treated as a least priority case, but we very likely would one day get around to it.
Many times we' had some really petty, minor and idiotic KRs escalated to us for some absurd reason. Sometimes even the CMO would order us to reat some trifle as a priority out of the blue. That was the exception, not the norm... but it still happened.
Hard to say, it would probably be taken in context and looking at the big picture. Probably people would be more lenient if it was some 1st generation rich guy with a really busy job, then they would be if it is a 2nd gen kid whose parents and siblings showed up to the event but he did not.