Irayam
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Sorry girl, but there is only one reality...
What’s working in Scientology was stolen by LRH, it’s coming from other sources.
Scientologirl - New Independent Scientologist
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What’s working in Scientology was stolen by LRH, it’s coming from other sources.
stratty
Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Many here would agree that they did get some positive results from their early experiences with scientology auditing, but talking to a good friend about your troubles and problems is always a good thing and works just as well. The problems begin when you wonder why, having gone a considerable distance across 'the bridge', the much-vaunted gains like enhanced awareness and having powerful postulates that stick don't seem to have happened for you personally although you read about others who claim to have gotten wonderful results. The problem always lies with you, your auditor, or the way the tech was applied, it's never the 'tech' itself, that is faultless and 100% effective.Thanks for having me and for the introduction.
You're doing a good job going up against those that harm others - I support that entirely.
As for body thetans, I'm not quite there yet on the Bridge, but from what I understand through some things on the net (the joys of being independent), it's not that much crazy than believing in demons as a Christian or Catholic, and there are other religions where similar experiences have been demonstrated to exist. Though, I'd be lying if I said I could really have a debate on this subject - I'll know when I get there.
I believe many of us here wish that were true, but, once out of scientology and free to discuss our individual cases and circumstances, it turns out that most of what Hubbard promised us was pie in the sky, and that body thetans, Xenu, Marcab, implants, engrams and all the rest of it are, unfortunately, figments of his imagination
Of course, we are all evil SP's who wish to destroy scientology, and along with it, you and your hopes and dreams for a better, more peaceful world, and if you believe that, you'll believe anything.
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Dotey OT
Re-Membered
I think that there is one thing that cannot be denied. Woven throughout the works of scientology is the demand that you only believe what l ron hubbard says, and that only he knows what is good. Dare not look outside to people that have been involved for many more moons than you have.
I have done thousands of hours of TR's, thousands of hours of auditing, I've audited others, trained others to audit others. Spent more money than most here would believe. But what do I know. Most people here are cool. Some more than others. I am not trying to be cool. I only have my story. I had wins and gains, but I believe somewhere along the way it is possible to lose yourself.
I have done thousands of hours of TR's, thousands of hours of auditing, I've audited others, trained others to audit others. Spent more money than most here would believe. But what do I know. Most people here are cool. Some more than others. I am not trying to be cool. I only have my story. I had wins and gains, but I believe somewhere along the way it is possible to lose yourself.
Dark
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stratty
Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Listen mate, nowhere did I say she shouldn't comment or post here, I said she would have a hard time trying to sell scientology here. Big difference!
He-man
Hero extraordinary
Not for a scientologist...
HelluvaHoax!
Well-known member
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LOL!
It's not only cool but refreshing to see that big win you posted above. Too many people on this thread invalidated Ron's 100% workable tech, completely ignoring the huge OT miracles that people routinely get.
For those never in Scientology, the uptone couple in the photo above is taken from the Indie Scientology monthly publication called MEDICAL MIRACLES! magazine. That month's issue presented "Ron's Guide To Curing Cancer" and the people in the promo are twinning on the Smoking Rundown (and winning big!) because of Dr. Hubbard's discovery that people only get lung cancer because they did not smoke enough cigarettes.
Ron applied the cigarette tech himself, smoking 4-5 packs of KOOLs (non-filter) daily and he remains cancer free to this very day!
For trolls and down-tone people who try to find fault with real technology that really works, I can only hope that you will come to your senses and respect the fact that Ron's tech works for Scientologists! However, like an indie scientologist has stated on this thread, the tech only works if you take responsibility for your doubts that it doesn't work.
Like Ron said: "What's real for you is what is real"---therefore if it's real to you that smoking cigarettes will cure your cancer, don't listen to the critics. Just realize that they have MUs and downtone ideas and start smoking in abundance the LRH way. When your intake is up to 5 packs a day and your cancer is gone, your'll thank Ron and thank your lucky stars that you ignored all that stupid advice from blown Scientologists who could not make it go right to apply the miraculous tech!
PRO TIP: If you find yourself in a hospital cancer ward where they suppressively prevent you from smoking cigarettes, you can still quite easily cure your cancer. Ron states that just a few short touch assists will cure anyone's cancer. I can post the link if anyone needs to know more about it. And it doesn't require studying in wog universities for 10 years to get your medical and oncology degrees---you can just go into the local org or mission or Indie church and learn the touch assist tech in one hour and you can find a twin and POOF!!!---you'll be cancer free in no time! Whatever you do, do not listen to the trolls and SPs because they want to prevent you from learning and using Ron's amazing scientific breakthroughs and being perfectly healthy like him!
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For the record, most of you are pretty cool here.
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Refreshingly so.
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Refreshingly so.
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LOL!
It's not only cool but refreshing to see that big win you posted above. Too many people on this thread invalidated Ron's 100% workable tech, completely ignoring the huge OT miracles that people routinely get.
For those never in Scientology, the uptone couple in the photo above is taken from the Indie Scientology monthly publication called MEDICAL MIRACLES! magazine. That month's issue presented "Ron's Guide To Curing Cancer" and the people in the promo are twinning on the Smoking Rundown (and winning big!) because of Dr. Hubbard's discovery that people only get lung cancer because they did not smoke enough cigarettes.
Ron applied the cigarette tech himself, smoking 4-5 packs of KOOLs (non-filter) daily and he remains cancer free to this very day!
For trolls and down-tone people who try to find fault with real technology that really works, I can only hope that you will come to your senses and respect the fact that Ron's tech works for Scientologists! However, like an indie scientologist has stated on this thread, the tech only works if you take responsibility for your doubts that it doesn't work.
Like Ron said: "What's real for you is what is real"---therefore if it's real to you that smoking cigarettes will cure your cancer, don't listen to the critics. Just realize that they have MUs and downtone ideas and start smoking in abundance the LRH way. When your intake is up to 5 packs a day and your cancer is gone, your'll thank Ron and thank your lucky stars that you ignored all that stupid advice from blown Scientologists who could not make it go right to apply the miraculous tech!
PRO TIP: If you find yourself in a hospital cancer ward where they suppressively prevent you from smoking cigarettes, you can still quite easily cure your cancer. Ron states that just a few short touch assists will cure anyone's cancer. I can post the link if anyone needs to know more about it. And it doesn't require studying in wog universities for 10 years to get your medical and oncology degrees---you can just go into the local org or mission or Indie church and learn the touch assist tech in one hour and you can find a twin and POOF!!!---you'll be cancer free in no time! Whatever you do, do not listen to the trolls and SPs because they want to prevent you from learning and using Ron's amazing scientific breakthroughs and being perfectly healthy like him!
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TheSneakster
Well-known member
Except she hadn't engaged in any selling of Scientology. So pretty damned disrespectful in my book.
Dotey OT
Re-Membered
@Scientologirl just keep going.Thank you for asking.
It will transform you in many more ways that you will be unable to identify, just as you have stated about your interaction with it thus far.
Continue going forward with doing something that has results which are unexplainable.
You seem to be one of the only people that I have read about running INTO the burning building, rather than away from it.
But I guess I am just a troll, with not much to say, really. Other than I hope that your comments don't foolishly influence anyone into going into an org somewhere.
My two cents worth, and I am done here. You won't have Nixon to kick around anymore.
Karakorum
千差万別
OSA, I'm 100% certain here, is reading these boards. Now I'm not saying you are OSA, but don't be surprised to see people hold their guard up.
OSA is real, which makes people here somewhat paranoid. Then on top of that, quite a lot of ex-scn members went through some really bad stuff and have PTSD, which makes them even more paranoid.
On top of it all, some of us try hard to keep their identities hidden, which further triggers other people's paranoia.
So yeah... welcome to the boards!
Please do hang around and don't let the OSA accusations get to you, if you spend enough time here and continue to post new stuff that the "Church" does not want all of us discussing, then people will connect the dots and decide you are not OSA.
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stratty
Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Look pal, in her first post she gave a link to her YT channel where she promotes scientology. And I haven't read your fucking book and I don't intend to. Now kindly get off my case.
TheSneakster
Well-known member
That's a lie. Her YouTube channel was crossposted here by "ISNOINews" when she wasn't even a member of ESMBR. Veda suggested that she be notified and it was TrevAnon who contacted her to come here.
HelluvaHoax!
Well-known member
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Here's an ethical curiosity having to do with Scientologists/Indies vs unethical beings (on this planet). . .
To Scientologists and Indie Scientologists, there is total certainty that I am an "SP" with "unhandled Evil Purposes". At very minimum, I am a "DB" and it can be scientifically proven that I am a "Troll". I was declared a Troll on this thread, but that is normal, I don't mind it at all.
Let's get to the fun part of this game show where contestants can win valuable prizes! LOL.
But first this:
- - - Approximately 97.5% of all Scientologists (COS, Indie, Ron's Org, et al) blow, because the tech doesn't work.
- - - Hubbard stated this himself in KSW, where the only thing you can be "upbraided" for is "no results".
- - - Scientology never explains to the remaining faithful why all the others suddenly vanished. There are vague innuendoes and occasionally the "Big Lie" propaganda character assassinations (e.g. "Tale of a Squirrel" to dead-agent Ron's hand-picked successor and senior tech terminal, David Mayo, who case supervised and audited Hubbard personally when he was deathly ill).
- - - When Scientology does try to explain why a senior management exec or top OT or Operating Celebrity blew the Church, usually they are accused of a bad word, which is sufficient to get loyal churchologists to silently nod their heads in lock-mind unison. Typically one sentence does the trick, such as: "Oh that guy?! It turns out that he was a: (squirrel, SP, by-passed case who false attested, psychotic, plant run in by psychs, implanted DB, overts case, criminal, PTS Type III, psychotic, loaded with evil purposes, a No Case Gain, had unhandled drugs, was 1.1, had psychs on his lines, had unhandled PTS conditions like being connected to the middle class or MEST beings who didn't 100% agree with Hubbard's 100% infallibility, et al).
Happiness is bliss? Leave them alone?
Or, get it over with and just tell them what happens in the last scene in this thrillingly suspenseful action movie?
Admittedly, there are a small percentage of people who remain in Scientology because it's a social and/or business network with lots of relationships and financial benefits. But for the most part, the people who don't eventually BLOW are simply stragglers who are having a hard time coming to grips with the fact that "THE WAR IS OVER!" No, not the grandiose announcement repetitively shouted by Scientology's sociopathic leader, COB. The other meaning; the one where a handful of Japanese soldiers hid out in the Philippine jungles for 30-40 years and kept on fighting, never accepting the fact that World War II was over and Japan badly lost.
And yes, it does take some time for newer Scientologists to get past the sexy dating stage where all those glorious promises lie ahead, and "what's not to love?!" Who doesn't like infinite riches, magical powers and immortality?
So, is it helpful, fair or even advisable to break the rapturous bubble of glee that early-stage Scientologists feel about their mind-blowing luck to have found the only road out of the MEST trap.
MY PERSONAL OPINON: I favor what I call "the professional route", which is that followed by professionals in all fields, from car repair to plumbing to brain surgeon. They INFORM the customer/patient what the diagnosis is and what their best advice is to try to resolve or mitigate devastation. Or to simply tell them there is no hope for restoration/rehabilitation. That's why I flip to the last chapter in the "Book Of Scientology" and just read aloud what happens at the end of the "miraculous journey" that has no miracles.
I know this is very upsetting to some who think it is "mean" and "cruel"!
I say, "let's cut to the chase and get this whole mess over with". That happens to be a particularly accurate expression ("cut to the chase") for former staff members who blew and were incessantly chased and stalked across the country until they surrendered and came back to:
PRO TIP: "c" is identical to "a" and "b".
CONCLUSION: Scientology is a cruel hoax. The "wins" are the heroin-highs that come before the OD.
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Here's an ethical curiosity having to do with Scientologists/Indies vs unethical beings (on this planet). . .
To Scientologists and Indie Scientologists, there is total certainty that I am an "SP" with "unhandled Evil Purposes". At very minimum, I am a "DB" and it can be scientifically proven that I am a "Troll". I was declared a Troll on this thread, but that is normal, I don't mind it at all.
Let's get to the fun part of this game show where contestants can win valuable prizes! LOL.
But first this:
- - - Approximately 97.5% of all Scientologists (COS, Indie, Ron's Org, et al) blow, because the tech doesn't work.
- - - Hubbard stated this himself in KSW, where the only thing you can be "upbraided" for is "no results".
- - - Scientology never explains to the remaining faithful why all the others suddenly vanished. There are vague innuendoes and occasionally the "Big Lie" propaganda character assassinations (e.g. "Tale of a Squirrel" to dead-agent Ron's hand-picked successor and senior tech terminal, David Mayo, who case supervised and audited Hubbard personally when he was deathly ill).
- - - When Scientology does try to explain why a senior management exec or top OT or Operating Celebrity blew the Church, usually they are accused of a bad word, which is sufficient to get loyal churchologists to silently nod their heads in lock-mind unison. Typically one sentence does the trick, such as: "Oh that guy?! It turns out that he was a: (squirrel, SP, by-passed case who false attested, psychotic, plant run in by psychs, implanted DB, overts case, criminal, PTS Type III, psychotic, loaded with evil purposes, a No Case Gain, had unhandled drugs, was 1.1, had psychs on his lines, had unhandled PTS conditions like being connected to the middle class or MEST beings who didn't 100% agree with Hubbard's 100% infallibility, et al).
NOW COMES THE FINAL QUESTION FOR THE GRAND PRIZE!
If someone is IN Scientology or Indie Scientology and truly believes in it, which is better?
I. Let them exalt in an endlessly winning theta bubble and ride the wins to total freedom?
II. Give them an r-factor spoiler-alert of what the final chapter in the book of Scientology reveals?
Happiness is bliss? Leave them alone?
Or, get it over with and just tell them what happens in the last scene in this thrillingly suspenseful action movie?
Admittedly, there are a small percentage of people who remain in Scientology because it's a social and/or business network with lots of relationships and financial benefits. But for the most part, the people who don't eventually BLOW are simply stragglers who are having a hard time coming to grips with the fact that "THE WAR IS OVER!" No, not the grandiose announcement repetitively shouted by Scientology's sociopathic leader, COB. The other meaning; the one where a handful of Japanese soldiers hid out in the Philippine jungles for 30-40 years and kept on fighting, never accepting the fact that World War II was over and Japan badly lost.
And yes, it does take some time for newer Scientologists to get past the sexy dating stage where all those glorious promises lie ahead, and "what's not to love?!" Who doesn't like infinite riches, magical powers and immortality?
So, is it helpful, fair or even advisable to break the rapturous bubble of glee that early-stage Scientologists feel about their mind-blowing luck to have found the only road out of the MEST trap.
MY PERSONAL OPINON: I favor what I call "the professional route", which is that followed by professionals in all fields, from car repair to plumbing to brain surgeon. They INFORM the customer/patient what the diagnosis is and what their best advice is to try to resolve or mitigate devastation. Or to simply tell them there is no hope for restoration/rehabilitation. That's why I flip to the last chapter in the "Book Of Scientology" and just read aloud what happens at the end of the "miraculous journey" that has no miracles.
I know this is very upsetting to some who think it is "mean" and "cruel"!
I say, "let's cut to the chase and get this whole mess over with". That happens to be a particularly accurate expression ("cut to the chase") for former staff members who blew and were incessantly chased and stalked across the country until they surrendered and came back to:
a). get handled with the tech until they are rehabilitated
b). do lower conditions and amends.
c). standardly route out
PRO TIP: "c" is identical to "a" and "b".
CONCLUSION: Scientology is a cruel hoax. The "wins" are the heroin-highs that come before the OD.
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stratty
Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband
Jesus! What part of 'kindly get off my case' do you not understand?
Her first post in this thread has a link to her YT channel. That's the link to her YT channel I'm talking about.
That's all I've got to say to you matey. Goodbye and have a good life.
HelluvaHoax!
Well-known member
R-FACTOR: Sharing "wins" is a form of selling. They want "others to have similar gains to their own", so the purpose is not evil, but it's not helpful either when they are unknowingly promoting a complete hoax.
REMINDER: The entire subject of Scientology is mapped on the GRADE CHART which defines the exact purpose and steps to achieve the states of Clear and Operating Thetan. Since Scientology has never produced either, it is impossible to be "disrespectful" about the subject. In fact it is Scientology that is "disrespectful" to all of its countless victims over the past 70 years. Calling critics "disrespectful" is par for the course within the cult. They label all the most ethical people (i.e. the whistleblowers) as "SPs"----and they label the actual SPs (Hubbard/Miscavige) as "OTs". The entire hoax of Scientology from top to bottom is nothing more than a lavishly expensive lesson in gaslighting.
I will leave some empty space below in case I am being unfair and some of you wish to share your wins and miracles from applying Dr. Hubbard's advanced technology:
MY MIRACULOUSLY HUGE OT WIN!!!
(be sure to acknowledge LRH for the priceless gift of
Total Freedom For Eternity and submit a photo of
yourself giving a standing ovation to
an LRH wall photo)
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(be sure to acknowledge LRH for the priceless gift of
Total Freedom For Eternity and submit a photo of
yourself giving a standing ovation to
an LRH wall photo)
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TheSneakster
Well-known member
So you were perfectly fine with it when a "critic" posted a video from her YouTube channel August 14, but when she shows up as an invited guest yesterday and links to her YT channel - without even posting a video - for her backstory, first thing out of your virtual mouth is a lie about her (that she is selling Scientology here).
He-man
Hero extraordinary
Maybe Stratty is having an allergic reaction due to others who've been stalking the boards in a predatory fashion trying to hook anyone that is blowing Scientology with their own version of the snake oil?
TheSneakster
Well-known member
And maybe you are supporting someone who is unfairly bullying a lady who hasn't even broken any rules here.
He-man
Hero extraordinary
And maybe you are supporting someone who is unfairly bullying a lady who hasn't even broken any rules here.
Speaking ones honest opinion is not bullying. Belittling someone is. I cannot see Stratty belittling this person, so the old me is thinking you must either be PTS, have an MU or an O/W. The new, fashionabl,e me thinks you're just being overtly dramatic with a flair of opinionated flatulence.
Bill
Well-known member
I definitely do not want to make you feel attacked, at least by me, but I do want to comment on this paragraph. It is a Scientology viewpoint and, as with all of Hubbard's methods, explains everything -- no further thought required. It is too simple without helping a Scientologist actually understand what might be other reasons.
The fundamental error in Scientology thinking is that there are two unproven assumptions that are believed to be rock-solid truth by Scientologists:
- Everything Hubbard said is absolutely, unquestionably true, and
- Every bit of Hubbard's tech is only and always good.
Here it is: Nothing in Scientology is scientifically proven. Nothing has been independently tested and verified. You have not experienced ALL of Scientology (and few ever do) yet you believe it is all good. Could someone have experienced "evil Scientology"? Doesn't enter your mind.
The reason I go to all this trouble is to point out that this blindness, this belief, is part of the Scientology indoctrination that makes fully evaluating and understanding Scientology impossible.
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