Revisiting OTVIII . . . what, again??!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[HelluvaHoax!]

I had read or been told that the rationale was OT9&10 were so powerful and life-altering that OT9s
would usher in a stampede of new public to all the orgs. All the orgs had to be ideal and fully staffed up
to handle said stampede. Once OT9&10 were released and this stampede happened, the world would
be cleared in a matter of years. YMMV, LOL. Believe it or not. I heard this a long time ago.

I heard the same exact thing about OT 9 & 10.

I also heard the same thing about stampedes and other supernatural events that were guaranteed to happen--upon the release of other LRH newly discovered technologies. For example: "releasing so much theta by means of as-ising entheta that the theta:mest ratio will reach the golden number, whereupon all crimes and war will cease" (--cue celebratory music--"...this is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius...."). Wasn't NED FOR OTS supposed to do that? I am convinced the cult regularly released rumors of things that then were passed around the world in wildfire fashion, until everyone just "knew" some "datum" that was never written down. File all those under the category 'Hubbard Creating Mythology"--but never admitting he started the rumors.

Now, about that stampede of people showing up at the front doors of Scientology, forming blocks-long lines and begging to be allowed to pay for auditing. The only confirmed stampedes were:

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* Stampede of Scientologists blowing from Scientology (appx 98% sprinted to the exits)​

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* Stampede of ex-Scientologists galloping to the internet to find out WTF exactly happened to them.​

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* Stampede of whistleblowers flooding the internet with videos, podcasts and messages about Hubbard's hoax. ​

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* Stampede of critics flooding bookshelves with tell-all books. ​

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* Stampede of hard-hitting documentaries hitting the airwaves as well as massive numbers of viewers watching them. ​

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* Stampede of cult victims demanding refunds. ​

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* Stampede of aggrieved plaintiffs filing lawsuits. ​

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* Stampede of protesters showing up at orgs daily. ​

I feel good now that I have used the word "stampede" in enough sentences.

This is okay.


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[I M Dex]

I find the phrase "OT phenomena" somewhat repugnant, because it suggests that spiritual manifestations and abilities, which have been recorded for exactly as long as any form of recorded history exists, is the domain of Scientology, is accomplished through Scientology, or is properly defined by Scientology. It is an example of loaded language subsuming free thought. I've had my share of moments of extra sensory awareness, willing things into existence, physically inexplicable occurrences, etc, in my life, as I think most or many people have, prior to, during and after my Scientology experience. Replace "OT" with "spiritual" and to me, that adds credibility, rather than being a device to legitimize the claims of Scientology.

 

[Hatshepsut]

I heard the same exact thing about OT 9 & 10.

I also heard the same thing about stampedes and other supernatural events that were guaranteed to happen--upon the release of other LRH newly discovered technologies. For example: "releasing so much theta by means of as-ising entheta that the theta:mest ratio will reach the golden number, whereupon all crimes and war will cease" (--cue celebratory music--"...this is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius...."). Wasn't NED FOR OTS supposed to do that? I am convinced the cult regularly released rumors of things that then were passed around the world in wildfire fashion, until everyone just "knew" some "datum" that was never written down. File all those under the category 'Hubbard Creating Mythology"--but never admitting he started the rumors.

Now, about that stampede of people showing up at the front doors of Scientology, forming blocks-long lines and begging to be allowed to pay for auditing. The only confirmed stampedes were:

​

* Stampede of Scientologists blowing from Scientology (appx 98% sprinted to the exits)​

​

* Stampede of ex-Scientologists galloping to the internet to find out WTF exactly happened to them.​

​

* Stampede of whistleblowers flooding the internet with videos, podcasts and messages about Hubbard's hoax. ​

​

* Stampede of critics flooding bookshelves with tell-all books. ​

​

* Stampede of hard-hitting documentaries hitting the airwaves as well as massive numbers of viewers watching them. ​

​

* Stampede of cult victims demanding refunds. ​

​

* Stampede of aggrieved plaintiffs filing lawsuits. ​

​

* Stampede of protesters showing up at orgs daily. ​

I feel good now that I have used the word "stampede" in enough sentences.

This is okay.


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Nobody knows where to stampede TO…..or the product they’re supposedly stampeding to GET..

Its all too big of a secret. It’s like having Black Friday with no sales flyer and expecting people to line up at 4 a.m. to beat the doors down. Of course, this was the expected scene for OT VIII too. It would help if shoppers would show us what they got in their bags upon leaving the store.

 

[I M Dex]

Nobody knows where to stampede TO…..or the product they’re supposedly stampeding to GET..

Its all too big of a secret. It’s like having Black Friday with no sales flyer and expecting people to line up at 4 a.m. to beat the doors down. Of course, this was the expected scene for OT VIII too. It would help if shoppers would show us what the got in their bags upon leaving the store.

Then again, if they did, it might not necessarily boost sales.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

"Hubbard Creating Mythology"

How about some real facts from the inner inner circle.

Ken Urquhart, LRH's butler, confidant and Class 9, chatted informally during a 2009
speaking engagement in Moscow with the indie field. From an audio recording:

"I once asked LRH on the ship, how many OT levels he had researched.​

And he said, I think it was 86. That was in, ahhh, early seventies."​

Ken was field auditing in 2009 and promoting his services among the Russki indies.

 

[I M Dex]

Ken was living in Massachusetts in 2009, in fact I spent some time in his home with him, and he spent some time in our home in California the following year.
"Class 9" is a bit of a misleading designation numerically, in that it signifies being a trained "NED for OT's" (NOT's") auditor, the qualifications for which are training through class 4, not class 5, 6, 7 or 8.
Hubbard would have Ken at his side while C/Sing folders, and he'd explain to Ken what he was C/Sing each folder for and why, so he had some direct and personal training that way.
Ken did believe in Hubbard's Scientology, but bristled at some of the things Hubbard did, and how he did them. Hubbard offered Ken the original position of "ED Int", which was a figurehead position, and Ken declined. And so instead was sent to Flag to train to audit NOT's.

 

[Hatshepsut]

I read last month in a blog that Ken was delivering Ls on occasion? Before he left Massachusetts he sent me an info mail about his willingness to travel to audit. I guess this was similar to what Pierre Ethier was doing. I was not in a position to house guests then.

Ken was a very serious person when he audited at the AAC back in 83, He wasn't afraid to let you witness his feelings about tech irregularites. From viewing his intervews on, Our Scientology Stories youtube channel, he seems more atuned to the clients' present time needs. Back then, everything was grade chart, even as David became less rigid about it from his C/S office..

 

[Reyne Mayer]

Ken Urquhart, LRH's butler, confidant and Class 9

also the guy who takes credit for inventing the RPF, and who remains rather a nostalgic loyalist even though LRH ordered him to have his face spat upon and be drummed out of the SO, right?

i got curious and read some of his stuff at one point, and ran across him describing as a possible demonstration of OT powers, what i recognized right off from stage hypnosis shows at Renaissance Faires as the pinch trick:

he's not the only one who's made me wonder if maybe The Founder surrounded himself with people he'd screened as being particularly susceptible to hypnosis -- which i suspect he exploited in ways we don't understand, as those subject to it wouldn't necessarily even remember it -- and more gullible than normal.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Ken Urquhart, LRH's butler, confidant and Class 9, chatted informally during a 2009 speaking engagement in Moscow with the indie field. From an audio recording:

"I once asked LRH on the ship, how many OT levels he had researched.
And he said, I think it was 86. That was in, ahhh, early seventies."​

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I'll see your Ken Urquhart quote and I raise you by another
even more cringefully obsequious Ken Urquhart quote:

"There is no one of sufficient stature on this planet
to stand in judgement of L. Ron Hubbard"

(Scientologists' #1 Tell: When they get nervous, insecure and wracked with doubts,
they immediately insert the emphatically affirmative phrase "on this planet")

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[HelluvaHoax!]

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Ken Urquhart, LRH's butler, confidant and Class 9, chatted informally during a 2009
speaking engagement in Moscow with the indie field. From an audio recording:

"I once asked LRH on the ship, how many OT levels he had researched.​

And he said, I think it was 86. That was in, ahhh, early seventies."​

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Some may think that the following is some kind of spoofy word play.

However, I seriously think this is what is extremely likely to have happened during that conversation between L. Ron Hubbard and his loyal butler Ken Urquhart. That aside, I will faithfully try to portray the spirit of their two-way communication cycle:

KEN THE BUTLER
Sir, can I top off that rum and coke for you?

L. RON HUBBARD
Why yes, that would be lovely.

KEN THE BUTLER
Sir, although it's not covered in my full butler hat pack, I
am wondering if it would possibly be acceptable for a butler to dare
I say, submit to you a written question about the tech at some point in
in the future? I mean, I would certainly format it as a CSW so
that you could simply decline to answer and not be DevT'd sir.

L RON HUBBARD
Well, Ken, you've been a loyal butler for as long as I can remember
and you also signed a one-billion year contract, and considering the
fact that you work 150 hours a week for me and I only pay you 17 cents
an hour--well, I suppose while I am browsing over the dessert
menu at the moment you could be allowed one brief question.

KEN THE BUTLER
Sir, I am so greatly honored by your magnanimous response. I will
endeavor sir to keep my inquiry respectfully short sir. What I
passionately have dreamed for years of learning, sir,
is how many OT levels have you researched?

L. RON HUBBARD
(thinks several beats, then suddenly
is broadly amused by something)

Alright then, how many OT levels
have I researched? Now that's a fascinating
thing. Now when we are talking about all
those very advanced upper levels that nobody
besides me has ever even seen, the
number that comes to mind is 86.


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I bet the house that the military hero Hubbard was just having a little private laugh at the expense of one of his credulous culties--when describing the absent and not available secret upper levels.

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1. "The United States has a Uniform Code of Military Justice that has an Article 86: Absence Without Leave, a.k.a AWOL. The term was derived from military shorthand. Rotary phones had T on the 8 key and O on the 6 key, so to throw out (TO) something was to 86 it." ​

2. "Eighty-six or 86 is American English slang used to indicate that an item is no longer available."​

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[ILove2Lurk]

^^^^ Captured that moment perfectly.

 

[Lee #28]

"86" is a very common term in the restaurant business..... meaning no more....or out of it....or cancel it...or cancel them...

One story I heard about the origin.....was some American tourists asked a French Host for a table....and he told a waiter to take them to table 86.

But the restaurant only had 85 tables....

Its pretty funny that Hubbard would chose that number while talking with a butler...

 

[Hatshepsut]

Hubbard had a lot of help 'researching' and taking notes on the affects of various processes. Good and Bad. He accepted feedback in Washington and in Phoenix and Elizabeth. Then, he said he regretted it, and all of a sudden realized investigation of the mind was not a 'team' effort. All observations of the boling frong were suspect, except his own.

The list of acknowledged contributors was once long. In recent YT interviews, Ken, noticably waffles back and forth between loyalty and abject disdain for Hubbard. The brave were not obsequious, but continued with a true journal of events.

LRH never owned the rights to observe the laws of cause and effect. But, he had to be source.

 

[pineapple]

I bet the house that the military hero Hubbard was just having a little private laugh at the expense of one of his credulous culties--when describing the absent and not available secret upper levels.

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1. "The United States has a Uniform Code of Military Justice that has an Article 86: Absence Without Leave, a.k.a AWOL. The term was derived from military shorthand. Rotary phones had T on the 8 key and O on the 6 key, so to throw out (TO) something was to 86 it." 2. "Eighty-six or 86 is American English slang used to indicate that an item is no longer available."

"86" is a very common term in the restaurant business..... meaning no more....or out of it....or cancel it...or cancel them...

One story I heard about the origin.....was some American tourists asked a French Host for a table....and he told a waiter to take them to table 86.

But the restaurant only had 85 tables....

Its pretty funny that Hubbard would chose that number while talking with a butler...

My father worked as a waiter until interrupted by WW II. He used the expression "86" frequently. The meaning was obvious, but I never thought about the derivation.

Note that it inverts the letters "OT."

 

[Reyne Mayer]

Hubbard had a lot of help 'researching' and taking notes on the affects of various processes. Good and Bad. He accepted feedback in Washington and in Phoenix and Elizabeth. Then, he said he regretted it, and all of a sudden realized investigation of the mind was not a 'team' effort. All observations of the boling frong were suspect, except his own.

yeah -- except he'd relied on a lot of it and continued to use what others had contributed, didn't he?

Ava Berner, who contributed the 'clay demos' along with 'study tech' in conjunction with her husband Charles, said of at least their time at Saint Hill in the '60s, that pretty much everything came from others around LRH.

and didn't he continue to rely on 'team' efforts of a sort, such as with David Mayo?

i've always read KSW as LRH mostly wanting there to be no public discussion of scn -- no journals with articles on the 'subject' asking questions or proposing things -- or even any private discussion by staff and members. that was his way of handling the fundamental problem that it's not actually science, just his unprovable if not baseless (or even wrong) theories and opinions in an amorphous area where nothing can really be proved and there will never be consensus, and in fact it's the sort of subject that tends to produce dissent. but in typical do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do fashion, internally he resorted to working with and relying on others whenever it suited him -- and with no one the wiser, he could take credit for everything.

In recent YT interviews, Ken, noticably waffles back and forth between loyalty and abject disdain for Hubbard.

interesting -- i wonder if he's been reflecting further. i've always thought his expressing loyalty to Hubbard when he was treated so badly and things turned out so terribly -- he has to have known about things like children in chain lockers on the ship, and then how the RPF he designed was used under his idol's leadership -- had to involve a lot of cognitive dissonance and burying of obvious contradictions.

 

[Hatshepsut]

nteresting -- i wonder if he's been reflecting further. i've always thought his expressing loyalty to Hubbard when he was treated so badly and things turned out so terribly -- he has to have known about things like children in chain lockers on the ship, and then how the RPF he designed was used under his idol's leadership -- had to involve a lot of cognitive dissonance and burying of obvious contradictions.

He's still taking a lot of heat about it. He has gone into the story of how the RPF got started. Like Janis Gillham Grady describing how 'her' running program was assigned......and eventually became how to torture staff in Gilman Hot Springs.

 

[Hatshepsut]

i've always read KSW as LRH mostly wanting there to be no public discussion of scn -- no journals with articles on the 'subject' asking questions or proposing things -- or even any private discussion by staff and members. that was his way of handling the fundamental problem that it's not actually science, just his unprovable if not baseless (or even wrong) theories and opinions in an amorphous area where nothing can really be proved and there will never be consensus, and in fact it's the sort of subject that tends to produce dissent. but in typical do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do fashion, internally he resorted to working with and relying on others whenever it suited him -- and with no one the wiser, he could take credit for everything.

There actually at one time was Ability magazine and The Auditor. Both shared experiences back and forth in a humanitarians and scientific sense. Cheap paper productions which are still eniightening to read. Folks were excited back then and went out on a limb to start practice groups. I'm thinking like when John Campbell and other writers helped to investigate Dianetics in 1950 New Jersey.

It was a 'group' who took the initiative to write the Phoenix charter to incorporate an official Church of Scientology. There was not that much control by Ron in this as if he wanted to be inconspicuous. The executives involved were still using terms like The Golden Dawn. They were into magic and causing changes through the mind.


The man I lived with back in 75-76 had jointly written this first Church of Scientology charter in Phoenix. They'd followed Ron from D.C. My point is it was 'team' effort back then.

Miscavige produced a book with photos from the 50s showing Ron's homes etc with his startup organizations. The action was inside the home itself. The practicioners in them, just regular suburbans.

I think there was a big change in LRH at some time. When narcissism worsens it becomes a dramatization of thinking you created the world and everyone in it. Maybe the person lost his entire universe somewhere and is now pretending he owns and is creating this one.... a god once again! That's the winning valence. This solipsism can sink the battleship. There would have been a review of competence if other players were regarded as valid players also.

LRH was once heard to say this was his all time favorite book Twelve Against the Gods.

Twelve Against the Gods

This book is intended to elucidate history somewhat, mo…

www.goodreads.com

This was at a time when he could still admire the creations of others without compromising his own.

 

[Lee #28]

^^^^^^^^

On a BC tape.....Hubbard states he liked Ian Flemming.....and went into some detail about how he wrote the James Bond thrillers.....

Goes on to describe that Flemming went on "holiday" to Jamaica (?) for a month each year....and wrote one novel.

I kinda took the SHSBC as a "masters degree" sort of course. Hubbard references lots of other studies....from the Occult to the I-Ching. Discuses lots of spiritual history.....Augury....and Mary Baker Eddy....all kinds of other studies....

My understanding was that Hubbard wanted his students to have a grasp of the "Spiritual Field of Study" as a whole....

IMO....this is one of the reasons that Class 5 Auditor was invented by Miscavige....to bypass all that study....and just get an Auditor to the point of delivering NED and the Grades.....and that was all. Completely put blinders on the students to only allow Hubbard Tech....

 

[Karakorum]

i've always read KSW as LRH mostly wanting there to be no public discussion of scn -- no journals with articles on the 'subject' asking questions or proposing things -- or even any private discussion by staff and members. that was his way of handling the fundamental problem that it's not actually science, just his unprovable if not baseless (or even wrong) theories and opinions in an amorphous area where nothing can really be proved and there will never be consensus, and in fact it's the sort of subject that tends to produce dissent. but in typical do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do fashion, internally he resorted to working with and relying on others whenever it suited him -- and with no one the wiser, he could take credit for everything.

Yeah exactly. KSW is the ultimate ego-trip of an empowered narcissist. "Me, myself and I are the only ones that got everything right. Anyone thinking of changing even a tiny bit is gonna burn the house down if we allow them to."

 

[Hatshepsut]

^^^^^^^^

On a BC tape.....Hubbard states he liked Ian Flemming.....and went into some detail about how he wrote the James Bond thrillers.....

Goes on to describe that Flemming went on "holiday" to Jamaica (?) for a month each year....and wrote one novel.

I kinda took the SHSBC as a "masters degree" sort of course. Hubbard references lots of other studies....from the Occult to the I-Ching. Discuses lots of spiritual history.....Augury....and Mary Baker Eddy....all kinds of other studies....

My understanding was that Hubbard wanted his students to have a grasp of the "Spiritual Field of Study" as a whole....

IMO....this is one of the reasons that Class 5 Auditor was invented by Miscavige....to bypass all that study....and just get an Auditor to the point of delivering NED and the Grades.....and that was all. Completely put blinders on the students to only allow Hubbard Tech....

Good points, those. The early 50s were a time of much interest in those spiritual matters. This is usually the case after much death in a previous war. Spiritualism becomes hot. You may have lost the game of existing in a body, but you can still show you will go on as You.

I didn't know what a Class V auditor was. I thought it was someone delivering Power Processing. At least it was on the old grade chart.

I had an opportunity to listen to the goals problems tapes on the BC. Ron explaned his theories showing how the ARC X and the problem and the overt and the withhold conributed to the games terminals in a GPM.

I think it may be too complicated today, as we don't all take for granted those same concepts as in the 50s spiritualistic sense. You were always negotiating into past lives with 3GA and then Criss Cross. R-2-12 was a sojourn into past life identities as reliable items. The caveat was that collections of these got confused and balled up. A person couldn't tell absolutely, perfectly, which belonged to him and it could be deadly to get that wrong. Even an 'almost' right item could be formidable.

I have the tapes and find the SHSBC difficult to listen to. Ron, the raconteur was amusing, but he just liked to talk and tell stories. So many repair lists had to be developed, or bulletins revised over. Contradictions withing nomenclature was prevalent. Concepts were often interchangeable. This is still obvious in the Tech Dictionary.

In 1980, I ordered The Essentials of Auditing tapes. This was a compilation of about 7 cassettes which taught the same basics. That was easier to listen to.