TWO IDEAL ROUTES TO CLEAR (1967)
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Revisiting OTVIII . . . what, again??!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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HelluvaHoax!
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Well, the "not needing glasses" failure of Dianetics I can fully understand, appreciate and forgive.
Because Dr. Hubbard discovered decades later that bad eyesight was caused by the accumulation of OVERTS.
All comments referencing the word "disguise" are closed for this photo--unless
accompanied by a CSW attaching a certified optometrist's affidavit that
L. Ron Hubbard's vision was tested and produced 20:20 results.
LOL
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HelluvaHoax!
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Every time i see that photo (had I not recognized him as L. Ron Hubbard, savior of
the universe)--my first impression of who and what he is would be:
NAME
"Dumpy Dodger" with dozens of aliases
(real identity and name unknown)
LOCATION
Normally hangs around the outside of race tracks
HISTORY
Well known to bunco squad since 1947, with 38 page rap sheet detailing over 379
arrests and convictions for fraud, shoplifting, pickpocketing and a known "master"
of petty quick-kill con games. His specialty is to loiter outside of race tracks
and tout tourists and other credulous dolts by selling them "hot tips" and
"sure thing" horses to bet on. He then takes their cash and promises to come
right back with their ticket, so he can go place the bet with his "inside guy".
Once he has a huge stash of cash, he places all those bets as well as buying
himself "luxury seating" to watch and enjoy the races. Naturally, if he
has booked any winners, he changes into a new disguise (e.g. Naval Admiral's
uniform) and sneaks out after cashing in the winning tickets for himself.
1st known photo of Dumpy Dodger (then under the
alias "Barney Bunco" ) at racetrack, circa 1949
Introducing himself as Dr. Bunco, he impressed many at the
race track by claiming that he was a research scientist on the
verge of one of the greatest scientific breakthroughs in human
history that he planned to publish in a book the following year.
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Hatshepsut
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This has several pages where Captain Bill Robertson, in 1985, gives his opinion on the biggest being situated in the case.
All about how this person could be 'missed' or be clear or be an invalidated or bypassed. Really Bill, is looking at a cluster sort-out. That's his deal here. NO man is an island among his own case fragments.
Excerpt from TECH BRIEFING Number 4
"EXCALIBUR"
CONFIDENTIAL - SUPER NOTS AND OT C/SING
CAPTAIN BILL ROBERTSON
22 August 1985
Hello everybody! This is the 22nd of August 1985. And this is Captain Bill Robertson, Frankfurt,
RON'S ORG.
[Bravo!]
Bravo. Ah so! And we'll give this R-factor: This will be Tech Briefing # 4 - but it's a
CONFIDENTIAL BRIEFING. And is just for people who are starting NOTs, or on Solo-NOTs.
And just to bring you up to date since the last Tech Briefing a little bit: In the last year we have
done the things which for instance RTC or the Implanters would call "Our usual suppressive and
squirrellish acts". Like bringing people to the State of Clear and straightening out their messed
up DCSIs. Getting them programmed to go up the Bridge and getting them onto the Bridge, and
making real OTs, where they are Cause over the data and CAN apply it.
So, we say to the other side: "Those are Suppressive Acts and we are very proud to be able to
say that we have accomplished quite a few of those and have many people on the OT-levels, at
least 12-15 and have produced in between 20 and 30 - maybe a couple more - Clears. Or
straightened them out from their misdeclares or their invalidations, plus a lot of other grades, and
so on."
Now, what the purpose of this particular meeting is - from the C/S viewpoint - to show some of
the traps and tricks and problems that cases get into and that cases do not know about. Even
people who are - ah - went up the Bridge in other areas, because they didn't have the benefit of
Flag C/Sing, and the benefit of reading the LRH C/Ses on Advanced Levels.
And to handle some of the possible misunderstoods, possible confusions, possible things that
would affect their ability to audit NOTs successfully - that is the purpose of this particular
briefing.
To start off - let us assume, as we are all here OT III or above - I will talk from the OT III - NOTs-
viewpoint. So, we don't have to go back and look at very simple things, but I will assume that
you understand, that first of all we are dealing in the beginning with the composite case. All right.
That means it's a complete mass of BTs and clusters. The guy's stuck in there somewhere and
he is dramatizing whatever occurred - maybe on his OWN track - maybe on somebody ELSE's
track. And he is totally the effect of all these charges, BPCs, wrong items, things, events,
engrams, secondaries, locks. Everything that you can imagine in Dianetics or in regular grade
charge or anything you can find on a list can be wrong with a guy. All right?
So, it is very difficult to get a guy from a "no auditing" up to the State of Clear. But basically we
know that is what's done on the lower levels. All right, now we DO that. You have got a Clear.
Now, this is where the confusion starts with the most people, that I have talked to, because of
the security, that was put around this area. And even in the beginning, after the people are on it,
they are treated like they shouldn't know anything about it. They were just given, totally
robotically, to "Run this". And, "That will be your next level".
So, first I want to straighten out the confusion of - from the OT III and above viewpoint - like
"What is a Clear?". And, "Why do we therefore define this guy as a Clear and how come there
are four different ways of Clear - the ways that they could BE Clear - but there is really only
ONE STATE OF CLEAR?"
Well, this is interesting, because if you look back the time track, you will find that ... I'll just make
a diagram here, but it can be given out with copies and so on ..., if we look at - from the OT III
data we have, what LRH calls - Incident I. It occurs at start of track, right?
So, just let us take a single being now and we have start of track here as a line, and we have
here Incident I. Now exactly why is that the start of the track? Because that is the first point, that
he started COMPULSIVELY to make pictures. You may say: "Well, yeah. But why?", and so on.
"But that implant, that's weird!". Well, this comes up again and again, but the point is that he is
COMPULSIVELY making pictures FROM HIS OWN VALENCE from that point.
In other words: He, having gotten his Incident I, is now somehow making pictures. And we've
run guys out from Incident I, that have discovered the reason WHY they make pictures like that
- and it's because they had BTs stuck to them from EARLIER INCIDENT Is, who went into
THEIR VALENCE - all right? Therefore they don't see them. Some of them do sort of feel it as a
little something, they can't get a hold of around the back here. But some BTs, that were so much
- shall we say - at effect, or just totally ready to be robotically inclined, that this BT you are
handling started making pictures, or at LEAST he saw things and then he found out, he had
MEMORIES of these. He could have RECALL after Incident I. And no matter if he looked at it,
and he COULDN't as-is it. Why? Because of ownership. It's actually THESE guys, that are
holding the picture, you see?
So, he looks at the picture - HIS picture would as-is of it - but then, there is still the other guy's
picture, that he would have left. And since they are all SHARING THE SAME VIEWPOINT
coming up the track, you don't get a blow on this guy, you don't get an as-isness.
So, however, he CAN DECIDE for himself and FOR HIS VALENCES - you see? Because he IS
in CONTROL of them - that they DON'T NEED THESE PICTURES ANYMORE - all right? So
this is not the only point where Clear can come. It can come there, but it doesn't have to.
Because he CAN decide for himself and get the agreement of these guys NOT to make
pictures. It doesn't make a STABLE Clear - but it makes a Clear, all right? Because they are not
having to have pictures and they can create them and unmock them all as a team. "We all do it -
because the boss says we do it - right?"
Anyway, the difference here being that this guy is NOT "out of valence" - OTHER PEOPLE ARE
IN HIS VALENCE, see? And he is the boss. He says "OK, you guys, now ..." Or whatever he
thinks it is. After Incident I there is a confusion. He never knows exactly, what happened in the
"snaps" of Incident I, etc. WE know, that there were OTHER BEINGS PUT WITH HIM, ok?
So, if he can therefore handle these guys and control them easily enough by his more ability, he
can get them to agree NOT TO MAKE PICTURES. So, we have what we call "a Clear". It would
be a guy who doesn't NECESSARILY have to have run out his OWN Incident I, but somewhere
up the track, right? he may have gotten (graph) - you see? - into Incident II here and let's put
back here (graph) I think it's dating 1 Quadrillion - 1 and 1/2 Quadrillion was the CC Implant,
(graph) Incident II is 75 Million with the 36 days and the OT II stuff, ok?
Now, so there is THAT on his track and then here we go, he is up into PT (graph). Single being,
except with these guys IN HIS VALENCE. So, any point along here ... . Now we are in PT
AUDITING this guy, right? Now we KNOW, that essentially he is NOT just this - he IS A
COMPOSITE. He has other beings, who have done the SAME STUFF in various cause-effect
points and they have all come conglomerated around him - all right? And that guy, we are
auditing, is the most strongest or the leader you might say or the boss or whatever.
So, in essence, since Incident I he may have had (graph) more additions to his composite case
at any point along the line because of mutual incidents or because of implants or because of
whatever. But these guys have their OWN tracks down the line, all right? Have their OWN
tracks, no matter HOW they come into HIM. So, when you get into this PT auditing, you have
the guy somewhere in here, as a thetan, with all these other thetans around him, shaped up into
his body form and everything else. Well, it's what we know as the NOTs and OT III Case, right?
So, this is what we get.
Now, how does a guy go Clear? OK, he can do it in several ways: One is, he can run Dianetics.
And he gets in back of an engram, which has got THAT POSTULATE in it that HE (needed
pictures) - or he UNMADE the postulate, so that now "he didn't need pictures". Your see?
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pineapple
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Yeah, it's obvious now, but back then we were in the scio mindset where things are endlessly spotted, indicated, rehabbed, D/L'ed, etc. in order to get them to take effect. If it wasn't acknowledged, it didn't happen. So we thought.Hindsight being 20-20, in retrospect, how funny is it that back then, nobody openly questioned, with all these "Dianetic Clear Special Intensives", "Clear Certainty Rundowns" and definitions and re-definitions of the "state", how real and evident could it even be when it took all this work, time and money just to try to figure out whether or not you've got it?
Hatshepsut
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I'm not sure I agree with all of Capt Bill. But I do know some of those Clear checks were life changing with their floating TA's. I don't know why the rehab was so phenomenal. There maybe IS a specific point where an individual had located himself in this universe and starts recording, via a 'mind'. He's not omnipotent. Certain of a person's valences are clearer than others, or maybe never meant to be earth-bound? I don't know. I ran charge on spirits caught in the frontiers of deeper space, and forced in here or hybridized. These were Int charges. Spiritual experiments on untamed beings, like wild animals, enclosed and trapped for gladiatorial arenas.
There were some strange charges on my Clear check, where spiritual beings didn't belong here, or got trapped and added to non-self.. I found these on the dating and locating, but any indications at all, can be disorienting and a cause a sudden shift of attention. You just don't feel 'focused' after it happens. You're sort of located nowhere.
In 1980-81, with everyone doing the clear rehabs, it was a delicate topic, with easily invalidated people and high weirdness. I felt disocciated when locating times I came here as a spiritual being in an era before human communities existed.
This seems a repeating scenario for some, for whom the mythical Incident One or start of track, just isn't a heavy thing. Maybe every being with a recorded time track is supposed to have the mechanism but some of your identities don't employ it.
My life had changed in a DSCI session with a long term, floating tone arm. I had a complete change of viewpoint. The floors and walls kept going transparent on me. The increase of ARC was phenomenal and I was expansive. Then, came the knock, knocking on the perimeters of my space, as if no one is allowed to just 'BE'....and must exist as some thing-ness......as a this or a that. Wierd that.
Completing grades and blowin out big, I'f an origination which was ignored. I'd all ths quanta of free 'soft' theta capable of being imprinted with anything. I was covered in blank theta bits which craved any hat. Everythng was starved for beingness. I enjoyed the feeling of not being confined by set scripts at all. Soon, I experienced others' efforts to use this unemployed theta for projecting pieces of games they wished to finish. Why choose me? I began protesting these invites into games I did not wish to play. Maybe, if you don't have clear purposes of your own.....you eventually beocme somebody else's?
I saw this happening to folks completing their Ls at the Land Base. Some O/W game would emerge out of left field making them them wrong. Somebody would elect to 'hat' the others' un-assigned theta by placing their own incomplete game items. But, where would fairness be in this, and where does actual karma fit. Could be a case of more deep pocket beings attracting the most attention to eat their life force.
There were some strange charges on my Clear check, where spiritual beings didn't belong here, or got trapped and added to non-self.. I found these on the dating and locating, but any indications at all, can be disorienting and a cause a sudden shift of attention. You just don't feel 'focused' after it happens. You're sort of located nowhere.
In 1980-81, with everyone doing the clear rehabs, it was a delicate topic, with easily invalidated people and high weirdness. I felt disocciated when locating times I came here as a spiritual being in an era before human communities existed.
This seems a repeating scenario for some, for whom the mythical Incident One or start of track, just isn't a heavy thing. Maybe every being with a recorded time track is supposed to have the mechanism but some of your identities don't employ it.
My life had changed in a DSCI session with a long term, floating tone arm. I had a complete change of viewpoint. The floors and walls kept going transparent on me. The increase of ARC was phenomenal and I was expansive. Then, came the knock, knocking on the perimeters of my space, as if no one is allowed to just 'BE'....and must exist as some thing-ness......as a this or a that. Wierd that.
Completing grades and blowin out big, I'f an origination which was ignored. I'd all ths quanta of free 'soft' theta capable of being imprinted with anything. I was covered in blank theta bits which craved any hat. Everythng was starved for beingness. I enjoyed the feeling of not being confined by set scripts at all. Soon, I experienced others' efforts to use this unemployed theta for projecting pieces of games they wished to finish. Why choose me? I began protesting these invites into games I did not wish to play. Maybe, if you don't have clear purposes of your own.....you eventually beocme somebody else's?
I saw this happening to folks completing their Ls at the Land Base. Some O/W game would emerge out of left field making them them wrong. Somebody would elect to 'hat' the others' un-assigned theta by placing their own incomplete game items. But, where would fairness be in this, and where does actual karma fit. Could be a case of more deep pocket beings attracting the most attention to eat their life force.
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Lee #28
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Yeah, it's obvious now, but back then we were in the scio mindset where things are endlessly spotted, indicated, rehabbed, D/L'ed, etc. in order to get them to take effect. If it wasn't acknowledged, it didn't happen. So we thought.
I guess I looked at that time period....back when I was in it.....as thinking, well Hubbard is obviously working on all this..
The Bridge actions were being researched.....work was in progress.....
Also the possibility that Hubbard at that point didn't really have the time to look at the "Lower Bridge" as he was doing OT research....
For me....I would come and go.....as I made money. I would move here and there.....looking for greener pastures.... DC, San Fran, Miami, Trenton....and all over prior to landing in LA....
There was no way to stay informed.....other than being attached to an org....
That period of the 70's to 80's was rough for me...
Edited: I guess the changes didn't really stop.....even with Hubbard off the lines..
LOC and that other sister course that I can't remember the name of.....
GAT 1 and then GAT 2..... none are from "Source...."
OSA.....was probably not Hubbard....
ProTRS with Clay TAble Auditing.....was probably not Hubbard....
Super Power?
anyway....thats enough for now.
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Hatshepsut
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Mark Fisher just posted this about DM's order to relocate the filing cabinets full of Ron's upper level research....
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La La Lou Lou
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No one questioned it because every good clear had doubts about actually achieving the state as they knew they still had symptoms of being a human being., Symptoms they were holding secret because they felt guilty about not being perfect. Just the same way as many of us harboured doubts about the workability of the tech and the state of the flounder, Wrong Cupboard. So many little doubts held quietly in, I think we all had them.Hindsight being 20-20, in retrospect, how funny is it that back then, nobody openly questioned, with all these "Dianetic Clear Special Intensives", "Clear Certainty Rundowns" and definitions and re-definitions of the "state", how real and evident could it even be when it took all this work, time and money just to try to figure out whether or not you've got it?
Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
it's a common phenomenon in cults, and most find ways to exploit it -- it's for example why groups that proselytize send people out in pairs or even larger numbers, because each will put on a good show even if they have doubts, reinforcing in the others that only they must have doubts....
i think one of LRH's genuinely devious inventions was to come up with explicitly prohibiting discussion of 'case' with others.
Hatshepsut
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Thought, Emotion and Effort have their heirarchies. Folks usually sense who's running the show. They've a caution about being punished for thinking differently, especially when presiding bullies can be malicious.
XenuHimself
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So OTIX and OTX don’t exist, but do we know where Broeker got the names ‘Orders of Magnitude’ and ‘Character’?
Did he simply make them up, or did Hubbard have some early ideas for possible ‘brand names’ for these levels?
Did he simply make them up, or did Hubbard have some early ideas for possible ‘brand names’ for these levels?
ILove2Lurk
. . Lisbeth Salander . . Back in Sweden
The current grade chart that's a download at today's public portal: "What is Scientology dot org."
I just grabbed this screenshot there.
So, leads me to believe they're still "selling it," pushing it, taking pre-payments.
That's probably not answering your question, but one could assume they took
it from some LRH notes or scribbles in the margins somewhere.
HelluvaHoax!
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That's a shocker!
All these years since I left the cult and the incriminating evidence came out that THERE ARE NO UPPER LEVELS beyont OT VIII that Hubbard left behind. I never even thought about the obvious fact that they are STILL PROMOTING those OT levels on their printed/issued Grade Charts.
Well, I have a half-way decent excuse for that. I haven't seen a real Grade Chart in person for decades. So I never even paid any attention or wondered what's on their current Grade Chart. Didn't even think about it. Pink elephant in the room kinda paradox.
What I did think was astonishing, however, about OT IX and OT X is something I've written about often. That the COS won't release those OT levels until the Scientologists who aren't full OT yet demonstrate their OT powers by somehow miraculously pushing the money stats up at all the orgs on the planet until they are (the size of Old St. Hill .... or ....all orgs on the planet have become Ideal Orgs).
Gotta be one of the top 3 insanities of Scientology.
74 YEARS AND SCIENTOLOGY STILL CAN'T CLEAR THE PLANET
THE REASON IS THAT IT WOULD TAKE A MIRACLE
YOU CAN'T PRODUCE A MIRACLE BECAUSE NOBODY IS FULL OT YET
THEREFORE, YOU OUTLAW ANYONE DOING THE UPPER OT LEVELS
AND BECOMING FULL OT UNTIL AFTER THEY PRODUCE THE MIRACLE
AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY ARE ALREADY FULL OT
AFTER PEOPLE ARE ALREADY FULL OT YOU CAN
THEN RELEASE THE UPPER OT LEVELS SO THAT
PEOPLE CAN FINALLY BECOME FULL OT
THE REASON IS THAT IT WOULD TAKE A MIRACLE
YOU CAN'T PRODUCE A MIRACLE BECAUSE NOBODY IS FULL OT YET
THEREFORE, YOU OUTLAW ANYONE DOING THE UPPER OT LEVELS
AND BECOMING FULL OT UNTIL AFTER THEY PRODUCE THE MIRACLE
AND DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY ARE ALREADY FULL OT
AFTER PEOPLE ARE ALREADY FULL OT YOU CAN
THEN RELEASE THE UPPER OT LEVELS SO THAT
PEOPLE CAN FINALLY BECOME FULL OT
I think that (with some editing and spiffing up) this last all-cap axiom is destined for the Stupid Thread. LOL
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Lee #28
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ILove2Lurk
. . Lisbeth Salander . . Back in Sweden
I had read or been told that the rationale was OT9&10 were so powerful and life-altering that OT9s
would usher in a stampede of new public to all the orgs. All the orgs had to be ideal and fully staffed up
to handle said stampede. Once OT9&10 were released and this stampede happened, the world would
be cleared in a matter of years. YMMV, LOL.
Believe it or not. I heard this a long time ago.
The Hubbard wrote: "There are perhaps hundreds of OT levels" The word "perhaps" suggests there was not an exact description of the levels, nor what might distinguish one perceived level from another.
I would say all the labels are made up
One doesn't need a video to prove OT phenomenon, the fact that you exist and can experience a moment is proof enough
Lee #28
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Just a bit of fun.....
