I seem to recall that on the original ESMB, where Riddick went by the moniker "Gib", he went on about "no Clears or OTs" so much that Emma, who was normally very tolerant of posters, told him to knock it off and I think she may have even banned him.@Riddick ... Why are you aiming the contempt you have towards the cult and hubbard at your fellow ex scientologists these days?
I imagine most of us agree with many of your points with regard to rhetoric but don't necessarily want to keep talking about it forever as you apparently do.
You don't come here to discuss anything. You only lecture, pontificate and (you think) teach.I guess you didn't click on the link or read it. I thought we could a discussion, my bad..
yes, I was Gib. I choose that name because he is my best friend who never got involved in dianetics or scientology. Gib always had a laugh it off attitude. When I told him I left scientology he said good, and that was it. It's sort of a similar situation when Jason Beghe left and his friend David Duchovny supported him.I seem to recall that on the original ESMB, where Riddick went by the moniker "Gib", he went on about "no Clears or OTs" so much that Emma, who was normally very tolerant of posters, told him to knock it off and I think she may have even banned him.
Now he has 3 pet subjects: Rhetoric, Heinlein letters and, yes, no Clears or OTs.
I agree that it is irritating to keep reading this stuff but I don't think anyone is going to persuade him to stop.
I asked if you clicked on the link about English Rhetoric, Did you?You don't come here to discuss anything. You only lecture, pontificate and (you think) teach.
When I pointed out that your "facts" were, in reality, opinions, did you attempt to discuss that? Or did you simply attack me?
No, if you wanted to discuss things, you would go ahead and do that. What you want to do is lecture. I don't think many here signed up for your class.
Well thank you, but doesn't everybody here who posts points out it was rhetoric? HH does it all the time. I'm just stating the core of it all.@Riddick ... Why are you aiming the contempt you have towards the cult and hubbard at your fellow ex scientologists these days?
I imagine most of us agree with many of your points with regard to rhetoric but don't necessarily want to keep talking about it forever as you apparently do.
Well thank you, but doesn't everybody here who posts points out it was rhetoric? HH does it all the time. I'm just stating the core of it all.
You will be happy to know I'm done and will no longer post. I stopped reading Mike Rinder blog and Tony O blog about a year ago as well as Alanzo and anything else. I'm done.
Good.
For example, some people claim that SCN auditing is about hypnosis.Well thank you, but doesn't everybody here who posts points out it was rhetoric? HH does it all the time. I'm just stating the core of it all.
You will be happy to know I'm done and will no longer post. I stopped reading Mike Rinder blog and Tony O blog about a year ago as well as Alanzo and anything else. I'm done.
Good.
For example, some people claim that SCN auditing is about hypnosis.
I don't agree but I don't feel offended.
This should just be peaceful conversation.
Well thank you, but doesn't everybody here who posts points out it was rhetoric? HH does it all the time. I'm just stating the core of it all.
You will be happy to know I'm done and will no longer post. I stopped reading Mike Rinder blog and Tony O blog about a year ago as well as Alanzo and anything else. I'm done.
Good.
Nah, let's lock and load the M60 and let her rip!For example, some people claim that SCN auditing is about hypnosis.
I don't agree but I don't feel offended.
This should just be peaceful conversation.
During the 1960s, when L. Ron Hubbard's oldest son, L. Ron Hubbard Jr., was speaking out about his father, he was Fair Gamed. Per Fair Game tech, a person is subjected to multiple channels of attack, usually covertly, but sometimes overtly. This is to overwhelm the person.I don't think anyone would be happy that you are not contributing to the discussion. The only point I think others were trying to make is that there is an entire SPECTRUM of reasons that Hubbard's Hoax sunk its deep controlling roots into people's minds.
I can't recall ANYONE who disagreed with you that "Rhetoric" plays a major role! As such, I'll re-post a graphic that depicts some of the other persuasive or controlling gimmicks that the cult uses to gain billion-year slaves and billions of dollars.
In my experience, those other control mechanisms very often have just as much power as rhetoric. You've never witnessed that?
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Read a book on rhetoric? Not right now. What I always like discussing is Logic. Especially logical errors, the illogics. Like assuming that your unproven opinion is a proven fact. Interested in a discussion?I asked if you clicked on the link about English Rhetoric, Did you?
I'd like to discuss it with you?
You ought to realize is that Logic is derived from Rhetoric. You can read about it here, if you like. Aristotle called it logos, or logic, and as one of the 3 means of persuasion.Read a book on rhetoric? Not right now. What I always like discussing is Logic. Especially logical errors, the illogics. Like assuming that your unproven opinion is a proven fact. Interested in a discussion?
Oh, you can lecture me all you want, if that floats your boat, but that doesn't invite discussion. Lecturing just requires an attentive audience. (Or, I guess, one could simply lecture even when no one was listening).You ought to realize is that Logic is derived from Rhetoric. You can read about it here, if you like. Aristotle called it logos, or logic, and as one of the 3 means of persuasion.
History of logic - Wikipedia
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Aristotle[edit]
Aristotle
The logic of Aristotle, and particularly his theory of the syllogism, has had an enormous influence in Western thought.[45] Aristotle was the first logician to attempt a systematic analysis of logical syntax, of noun (or term), and of verb. He was the first formal logician, in that he demonstrated the principles of reasoning by employing variables to show the underlying logical form of an argument.[46] He sought relations of dependence which characterize necessary inference, and distinguished the validity of these relations, from the truth of the premises. He was the first to deal with the principles of contradiction and excluded middle in a systematic way.[47]"
I guess I'm being a lecturer or teacher, and that might annoy you?
I really like your postings but the volume he posted on Rhetoric is worth the time. I don't know about the other stuff but I know Riddick/Gib is passionate about his subjects.I seem to recall that on the original ESMB, where Riddick went by the moniker "Gib", he went on about "no Clears or OTs" so much that Emma, who was normally very tolerant of posters, told him to knock it off and I think she may have even banned him.
Now he has 3 pet subjects: Rhetoric, Heinlein letters and, yes, no Clears or OTs.
I agree that it is irritating to keep reading this stuff but I don't think anyone is going to persuade him to stop.
Where does this come from?During the 1960s, when L. Ron Hubbard's oldest son, L. Ron Hubbard Jr., was speaking out about his father, he was Fair Gamed. Per Fair Game tech, a person is subjected to multiple channels of attack, usually covertly, but sometimes overtly. This is to overwhelm the person.
Scientology Inc. had spread rumors ("noisy investigation," etc.) about Ron Jr., resulting in him losing his job, and had messed with his credit lines, so he couldn't borrow money. Ron Jr. had a wife and children to support and was desperate at that point. He was made aware of a job offer and was told he had to go to a certain location - a motel room or some such - where he'd have a job interview.
Ron Jr. feeling hopeful that he might be finding employment, appeared for the job interview, and was greeted and shown in. Sitting at a table, a man in a business suit began what appeared to be a job interview. The man took out a large envelope and began showing Ron Jr. large photographs of his children going to and from school.
This was applying the Scientology Intelligence tech of finding "What the terminal considers valuable and is protecting" and attacking or threatening it.
All of these applications of Scientology - the rumor-spreading resulting in being fired, the sabotaging of credit lines, the photographing of Ron Jr.'s children - were done covertly. Scientology's involvement was hidden. (Years later, as a result of the issuing of search warrants, documents were revealed that showed these events were carefully secretly orchestrated by Scientology.)
Only at the the very end, as he sat at the table with photographs of his children spread out before him by (what he later discovered had been) Deputy Guardian Bob Thomas, did it become obvious, to Ron Jr., that this was Scientology.
Very few words were spoken. The message was simple: His children are being threatened and are in danger unless he goes quiet.
Was this rhetoric?
Hardly.
Manipulative language is part of the Scientology operation, but only one of many parts.