OT VIII Is A Scam

[Karakorum]

so whether or not Smith introduced it, the LDS certainly established early on that new leaders could give prophecy and use that to make changes (snip)

Yeah, but thing is they almost never do. and when they do it is not to add new things, just remove inconvenient elements that were alreayd there (like the removed ban on blacks holding the priesthood)

 

[onceuponatime]

Scientology = LRH, DM has his hands tied. He can revise things but he can't freely invent new processes, and this was LRH's main mode of operation. Go look at all the books, look at his lectures, the tech vols, there's a new miracle process every year (if not multiple times a year). It makes sense because Scientology is really just a shrine to LRH, if he allowed other people to come up with stuff then he loses his mystic aura. There's only so many times DM can pull the "we found more LRH writings in a hidden closet" trick, and there's still only so much he can do with that.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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the thing that strikes me, at least looking at this as an outsider, is that didn't Hubbard tie his successors' hands -- and DM was among his hand-picked inner circle -- and even really hobble them? 'source' kept the CoS going by continually introducing new tech to keep followers interested and continuing to pay significant amounts of money, and to distract from the failure of the promise of previous introductions. what else was a successor, like the one the old man raised at his knee, to do?

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That is one of the enduring core and mystical paradoxes within the cult.

On one hand—It "identifies" itself as the science of KNOWING HOW TO KNOW. As such, it awards any Grade Chart advancements towards "total knowingness" with euphoric standing ovations, jumbo completion certificates & 6 foot tall bowling trophies​

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On the other hand—if anyone other than Hubbard suggests they have KNOWINGNESS about the wholetrack or dares to assert that their KNOWINGNESS is so advanced that they discovered new technology, they are promptly slammed with heavy "justice" and/or even declared "SP".​

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Scientology indoctrination and "sacred scripture" holds that no one on Earth is capable of discovering or creating new technology. Add to that, if anything goes wrong within Scientology or the technology does not work, no person other than Hubbard is allowed to correct it. And since every single "technical discovery" and "breakthrough" Hubbard ever announced from 1950-1986 did not work in delivering the stated "ability attained" or new/miraculous "power", that simply means that Scientology's primary marketing racket was dead.

How then to KSC? Keep Scientologists Credulous?

The solution Minister Miscavige came up with was to find OTHER "unprecedented discovers & breakthroughs" other than the technology. To wit, if you cannot announce that "Sorry, OT VIII didn't work" and immediately "brief" the heartbroken parishioners with the new-and-improved "OT VIII Expanded!" then you effectively terminate the hoax. That will not do at all.

So, what new discovery can a guru make? Miscavige found an answer that worked like a charm. He found peripheral and derivative "tech" that wasn't called tech. For example, he made such "monumental breakthroughs" as:

*** Discovering that old linoleum floors inside the orgs were preventing Ron's tech from working, and solved that by replacing such with lavishly expensive Italian marble floors (see Ideal Org program).​

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*** Discovering that Clearing people (alone) would not result in a "Clear Planet", because there were a few typos or minor grammatical errors in the Scientology books--requiring that all Scientologists must buy new and lavishly expensive "sets" of the books again.​

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*** Discovering that OTs were not capable of "safeguarding" Scientology and thus the only way to protect Scientology from unnamed SPs was to donate on a never-ending basis many hundreds of millions of dollars to the IAS.​

There are many dozens of such "discoveries". They all, somehow, must sustain the suspension of disbelief enough to KSD (Keep Scientologists Donating).

HYSTERICAL HISTORICAL HOAX: It is enlightening to note here the very first time Miscavige solved the problematic rule of "NO NEW TECH ALLOWED". It is very illustrative because he figured out that if he simply "did what Ron did" Scientologists would remain fully comatose. Thus he made up a story just like Ron made up stories about Xenu, nearly being run over on a freight train on Venus and bad beings "pulling the air cover off the planet". But Miscavige knew Scientology well enough to realize that he could not make up a WHOLETRACK story--so he made up a PRESENT-TIME fairy tale. You know, the kind where the most OT being on the planet didn't actually drop dead, but simply killed their own body by exteriorizing from it in order to save the planet. That's right, Ron's not dead, he's simply too OT to be alive. Scientologists quite liked that story and went back to sleep immediately.


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[Pepin]

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That is one of the enduring core and mystical paradoxes within the cult.

On one hand—It "identifies" itself as the science of KNOWING HOW TO KNOW. As such, it awards any Grade Chart advancements towards "total knowingness" with euphoric standing ovations, jumbo completion certificates & 6 foot tall bowling trophies​

​

On the other hand—if anyone other than Hubbard suggests they have KNOWINGNESS about the wholetrack or dares to assert that their KNOWINGNESS is so advanced that they discovered new technology, they are promptly slammed with heavy "justice" and/or even declared "SP".​

​

Scientology indoctrination and "sacred scripture" holds that no one on Earth is capable of discovering or creating new technology. Add to that, if anything goes wrong within Scientology or the technology does not work, no person other than Hubbard is allowed to correct it. And since every single "technical discovery" and "breakthrough" Hubbard ever announced from 1950-1986 did not work in delivering the stated "ability attained" or new/miraculous "power", that simply means that Scientology's primary marketing racket was dead.

How then to KSC? Keep Scientologists Credulous?

The solution Minister Miscavige came up with was to find OTHER "unprecedented discovers & breakthroughs" other than the technology. To wit, if you cannot announce that "Sorry, OT VIII didn't work" and immediately "brief" the heartbroken parishioners with the new-and-improved "OT VIII Expanded!" then you effectively terminate the hoax. That will not do at all.

So, what new discovery can a guru make? Miscavige found an answer that worked like a charm. He found peripheral and derivative "tech" that wasn't called tech. For example, he made such "monumental breakthroughs" as:

*** Discovering that old linoleum floors inside the orgs were preventing Ron's tech from working, and solved that by replacing such with lavishly expensive Italian marble floors (see Ideal Org program).​

​

*** Discovering that Clearing people (alone) would not result in a "Clear Planet", because there were a few typos or minor grammatical errors in the Scientology books--requiring that all Scientologists must buy new and lavishly expensive "sets" of the books again.​

​

*** Discovering that OTs were not capable of "safeguarding" Scientology and thus the only way to protect Scientology from unnamed SPs was to donate on a never-ending basis many hundreds of millions of dollars to the IAS.​

There are many dozens of such "discoveries". They all, somehow, must sustain the suspension of disbelief enough to KSD (Keep Scientologists Donating).

HYSTERICAL HISTORICAL HOAX: It is enlightening to note here the very first time Miscavige solved the problematic rule of "NO NEW TECH ALLOWED". It is very illustrative because he figured out that if he simply "did what Ron did" Scientologists would remain fully comatose. Thus he made up a story just like Ron made up stories about Xenu, nearly being run over on a freight train on Venus and bad beings "pulling the air cover off the planet". But Miscavige knew Scientology well enough to realize that he could not make up a WHOLETRACK story--so he made up a PRESENT-TIME fairy tale. You know, the kind where the most OT being on the planet didn't actually drop dead, but simply killed their own body by exteriorizing from it in order to save the planet. That's right, Ron's not dead, he's simply too OT to be alive. Scientologists quite liked that story and went back to sleep immediately.


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I seem to recall in the "sacred scriptures" Scientology is not the only technology, but a workable one.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I seem to recall in the "sacred scriptures" Scientology is not the only technology, but a workable one.

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Interesting. I remember that "workable tech" marketing slogan, but I always interpreted it to mean the only workable tech to free beings and make Clears & OTs. I'm thinking of Hubbard's sacred "scripture" in the HCO POLICY "Keeping Scientology Working":

"We are dealing only in facts and the above is a fact – the group left to its own devices would not have evolved Scientology but with wild dramatization of the bank called “new ideas” would have wiped it out. Supporting this is the fact that Man has never before evolved workable mental technology..." ​

"The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology. This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance. Remember, this is our first chance to do so in all the endless trillions of years of the past. Don’t muff it now because it seems unpleasant or unsocial to do Seven, Eight, Nine and Ten. Do them and we’ll win."​

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As "unpleasant" as it is to have to re-read the above KSW quotes, I decided to post them anyways. So that we don't "muff" it. Please do not muff it people! LOL

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[Dotey OT]

After having WC method 3, 4 and 2 on those references, I now use method 86 on most scriptures.

 

[Pepin]

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Interesting. I remember that "workable tech" marketing slogan, but I always interpreted it to mean the only workable tech to free beings and make Clears & OTs. I'm thinking of Hubbard's sacred "scripture" in the HCO POLICY "Keeping Scientology Working":

"We are dealing only in facts and the above is a fact – the group left to its own devices would not have evolved Scientology but with wild dramatization of the bank called “new ideas” would have wiped it out. Supporting this is the fact that Man has never before evolved workable mental technology..." ​

"The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology. This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance. Remember, this is our first chance to do so in all the endless trillions of years of the past. Don’t muff it now because it seems unpleasant or unsocial to do Seven, Eight, Nine and Ten. Do them and we’ll win."​

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As "unpleasant" as it is to have to re-read the above KSW quotes, I decided to post them anyways. So that we don't "muff" it. Please do not muff it people! LOL

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I must have muffed.
I think the watered down quote is from a 1970's book, What is Scientology or something like that

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I must have muffed.
I think the watered down quote is from a 1970's book, What is Scientology or something like that

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LOL!!

We all muffed.

That's how we got trapped on this slave planet. LOL

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[onceuponatime]

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Interesting. I remember that "workable tech" marketing slogan, but I always interpreted it to mean the only workable tech to free beings and make Clears & OTs. I'm thinking of Hubbard's sacred "scripture" in the HCO POLICY "Keeping Scientology Working":

"We are dealing only in facts and the above is a fact – the group left to its own devices would not have evolved Scientology but with wild dramatization of the bank called “new ideas” would have wiped it out. Supporting this is the fact that Man has never before evolved workable mental technology..." ​

"The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology. This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance. Remember, this is our first chance to do so in all the endless trillions of years of the past. Don’t muff it now because it seems unpleasant or unsocial to do Seven, Eight, Nine and Ten. Do them and we’ll win."​

​

As "unpleasant" as it is to have to re-read the above KSW quotes, I decided to post them anyways. So that we don't "muff" it. Please do not muff it people! LOL

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I also seem to recall him being quite vocal in some lecture about the definition of standard tech... If people ever think LRH was open to there being other "paths" then I suggest they do some word-clearing. And yes, those KSW quotes are unpleasant, getting some flashbacks, lol.

After having WC method 3, 4 and 2 on those references, I now use method 86 on most scriptures.

I think I've found the bug in your Scientology career, notably absent here is M9. I'll get the cram written so we can get you back on track.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I think I've found the bug in your Scientology career, notably absent here is M9. I'll get the cram written so we can get you back on track.

Wow! It sounds like you are giving free DE-BUGS!

If so, I would greatly like to sign up for one. I'd like to be de-bugged on not having OT powers after doing the OT levels. I might be wrong but it seems like some kind of outpoint that an OT levels completion can't perform simple OT miracles like exteriorizing, acquiring billions of dollars by postulating it or pulling the air cover off of psych's offices.

QUESTION: Is the service you are offering the same as Scientology's "END OF ENDLESS GOOFING THE FLOOF R/D" or the newly released "DON'T MUFF IT RD"? I am already on both of those rundowns and probably need a C/S okay to start the Debug Rundown.

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[Dotey OT]

I also seem to recall him being quite vocal in some lecture about the definition of standard tech... If people ever think LRH was open to there being other "paths" then I suggest they do some word-clearing. And yes, those KSW quotes are unpleasant, getting some flashbacks, lol.



I think I've found the bug in your Scientology career, notably absent here is M9. I'll get the cram written so we can get you back on track.

I M9d that crap as well. Thanks for reminding me.

When I did my last cycle at an an AO, I must have M9d about five guys on the Pain and Sex hcob for an amends. What a crock.

 

[onceuponatime]

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Wow! It sounds like you are giving free DE-BUGS!

If so, I would greatly like to sign up for one. I'd like to be de-bugged on not having OT powers after doing the OT levels. I might be wrong but it seems like some kind of outpoint that an OT levels completion can't perform simple OT miracles like exteriorizing, acquiring billions of dollars by postulating it or pulling the air cover off of psych's offices.

QUESTION: Is the service you are offering the same as Scientology's "END OF ENDLESS GOOFING THE FLOOF R/D" or the newly released "DON'T MUFF IT RD"? I am already on both of those rundowns and probably need a C/S okay to start the Debug Rundown.

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After carefully reviewing your posts I think I've spotted the exact point where things went wrong for you. The problem is this, you aren't OT, simple. You might think this doesn't make any sense, this is what you're complaining of so how can it be the "why". To that I have two responses. First of all, this is Scientology, it doesn't have to make any sense to anyone. Secondly, it goes back to "you have to be OT to go OT" if you aren't OT then you can't go OT. This still might not make any sense, and I get that, it's best if you don't think about it. The handling is the "Be OT to go OT RD" you might be curious what this RD is, it is confidential but I can share some tidbits with you. On this RD we address the being directly so that they feel slightly better (if we're lucky) and then gaslight themselves into believing they achieved something significant, and of course lot's of sec-checking, always lot's of sec-checking. The TE 1-2 intensives, but it's sold on a per result basis, it's a mere 100K. What is that compared to your eternal salvation and restoration of true potential as a thetan? Cash, check or credit.

I M9d that crap as well. Thanks for reminding me.

When I did my last cycle at an an AO, I must have M9d about five guys on the Pain and Sex hcob for an amends. What a crock.

Yeah, I figured. I'm always happy to help, lol.

 

[Pepin]

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Wow! It sounds like you are giving free DE-BUGS!

If so, I would greatly like to sign up for one. I'd like to be de-bugged on not having OT powers after doing the OT levels. I might be wrong but it seems like some kind of outpoint that an OT levels completion can't perform simple OT miracles like exteriorizing, acquiring billions of dollars by postulating it or pulling the air cover off of psych's offices.

QUESTION: Is the service you are offering the same as Scientology's "END OF ENDLESS GOOFING THE FLOOF R/D" or the newly released "DON'T MUFF IT RD"? I am already on both of those rundowns and probably need a C/S okay to start the Debug Rundown.

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yeah, I would call that a skipped gradient. Being exterior is OT1. Too many attested with only an idea of being 3 feet behind the head.

 

[Dotey OT]

yeah, I would call that a skipped gradient. Being exterior is OT1. Too many attested with only an idea of being 3 feet behind the head.

L12, you were asked in session if you were stably exterior. At least when I did it.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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L12, you were asked in session if you were stably exterior. At least when I did it.

Wow, never heard that! I wonder how the auditor was supposed to know when to ask that question. Sounds bizarre.

Maybe Karen can clarify if that was per the "tech" or maybe just one auditor who, um--improvised. (I'd hate to accuse anyone of the "high crime" of squirreling, lol).

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[Dotey OT]

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Wow, never heard that! I wonder how the auditor was supposed to know when to ask that question. Sounds bizarre.

Maybe Karen can clarify if that was per the "tech" or maybe just one auditor who, um--improvised. (I'd hate to accuse anyone of the "high crime" of squirreling, lol).

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It was Hank Bourland.

 

[Pepin]

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Wow, never heard that! I wonder how the auditor was supposed to know when to ask that question. Sounds bizarre.

Maybe Karen can clarify if that was per the "tech" or maybe just one auditor who, um--improvised. (I'd hate to accuse anyone of the "high crime" of squirreling, lol).

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It seems the right question. A lot of people do exterior but are not stable. There's a level of panic still involved. When I was six I was exterior looking at the universe. I looked down to see my body, panicked and moved to it just to realize my body was fine. I still had to check on it now and then. Definitely not stable.

 

[guanoloco]

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Wow! It sounds like you are giving free DE-BUGS!

If so, I would greatly like to sign up for one. I'd like to be de-bugged on not having OT powers after doing the OT levels. I might be wrong but it seems like some kind of outpoint that an OT levels completion can't perform simple OT miracles like exteriorizing, acquiring billions of dollars by postulating it or pulling the air cover off of psych's offices.

QUESTION: Is the service you are offering the same as Scientology's "END OF ENDLESS GOOFING THE FLOOF R/D" or the newly released "DON'T MUFF IT RD"? I am already on both of those rundowns and probably need a C/S okay to start the Debug Rundown.

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[guanoloco]