TRAGIC: Clearwater OT 8 Scientologist, 40, set fire to herself before shooting herself dead

[Dotey OT]

When you are in, there are things you cannot say. You can't say them to another scn'ist, you can't say them to a public, and you can't really say them to yourself. You also can't do certain things. You could do something that people that are in might think strange. You are cutoff from so much data and help, really. The only thing you aren't cutoff from is the cult that has the tek to cure most things (not).

But the largest departure is there is really no such thing as clears and ots. For that you could get declared, it was that important that the flock not know.

 

[Enthetan]

For her to have spun in so much as to not get a biopsy is really weird. When Mrs. Mimsey had a lump - the nots C/S sent her to MLO (Brandon) who sent her to get a biopsy and a lumpectomy. Why the hell didn't they do the same for her? Cray cray.

Ah, but I assume you and your wife have health insurance.

If she was self employed, single, and not affording a health plan, then she might not have seen the cost of cancer treatments (or even the regular checkups and routine cancer screenings) to be affordable.

(But notice how a Scientologist may not see health insurance as "affordable", but the concept of affordability does not carry over to paying for IAS status or Ideal Orgs or Bridge services!).

Still, her biggest problem may have been that she didn't have enough real friends, or that she lost what friends she had over the years as the demands of Scientology soaked up all her time.

Personally, if I was unmarried, had company health insurance, and had a very good friend who was going to die if she didn't have treatment, one option could have been to marry her, thus putting her on my health plan.

 

[Enthetan]

This sounds wacky

Welcome to Scientology!

 

[Enthetan]

I think this poor woman was see how Scientology couldn’t help her and at that point there was nothing left on the bridge, unless she hadn’t done her Ls. OT8 is supposed to be cause over Matter Energy Space and Time, as in able to deal with any physical universe stuff, anything emotional or whatever else. And I guess she could see that this did not happen. Probably felt trapped.

And she may have been told that it would be heavily out-PR for an OT8 to talk to anyone about her cancer, as it could invalidate people's perceptions of the OT levels.

 

[Inanna]

This sounds wacky

I think that, once again, Hubbard was imitating Buddhism. They have end of life stuff, too. I hasten to add that Scientology is not Buddhism and its “tech” isn’t similar. But I think this was yet another bit of appropriation.

 

[Dotey OT]

But the self immolation. That takes some doing! She was not successful at that, apparently. Then she shoots herself, but that does not immediately work, she dies a day and a half later. That is one hell of a way to end your life.

 

[Enthetan]

Another OT 8 Takes Their Own Life In Clearwater, FL

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After listening to Aaron's recitation of the data, I'm deeply suspicious (as he seems to be) about the whole affair. It just seems like somebody in Scn management decided that she was a potential liability, and Scn would be better off if she "ended cycle".

I am suspicous as to whether she had "help" with "ending cycle".

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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After listening to Aaron's recitation of the data, I'm deeply suspicious (as he seems to be) about the whole affair. It just seems like somebody in Scn management decided that she was a potential liability, and Scn would be better off if she "ended cycle".

I am suspicous as to whether she had "help" with "ending cycle".

I have no facts to add. But certainly suspicion is warranted on all things Scientology!

I find that a useful metric when evaluating Scientology stories is the following:

a. On a scale of 1-100 calculate how awful the reported story is​

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b. Now think of something 2x worse than that.​

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c. Add the total of "a" and "b" for a new value of "c"​

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d. Using the total "c", imagine something even more detestably and sociopathically​

weird and assign that a numerical value ("d").​

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e. Multiply "d" times 8 (because there are 8 dynamics) for a new value ("f")​

Normally it takes 3-5 decades and/or an FBI raid for the true story "f" to be published with corroboration.

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[onceuponatime]

When Mrs. Mimsey had a lump - the nots C/S sent her to MLO (Brandon) who sent her to get a biopsy and a lumpectomy. Why the hell didn't they do the same for her? Cray cray.

Mimsey

I'm sure she would've been ordered to go see a Dr. and get it checked out. It sounds like she was either refusing to go, or couldn't afford it? I wonder what other details we'll find out about this tragic incident.

This is a good reminder of the real dangers of Scientology. The church will never condone suicide and I'm sure they have a reference on speed-dial about how LRH says suicide is bad and an overt. But when you look at the whole of Scientology and what it teaches, suicide doesn't seem like that big of a deal. You're an immortal spiritual being, if you're having troubles with this body just get a new one! Same with your whole life. This is an incredibly dangerous mindset to have, but if you're a believer it makes sense. And then you add in all the stuff about how doctors/medicine are bad, etc. I'm surprised we don't hear about more of these, and if Scientology were bigger I think we would.

 

[lotus]

I think that, once again, Hubbard was imitating Buddhism. They have end of life stuff, too. I hasten to add that Scientology is not Buddhism and its “tech” isn’t similar. But I think this was yet another bit of appropriation.

I am a buddhist practitioner for 20 years over!
I've studied the scriptures (sutras) for 4 years with mindfulness zen monk, being part of a Shanga. I recall a few of students who were end of life stage and no similar rituals were performed.

Perhaps you are referring to the Amitabha Pure Land mantra chanting to help the rebirth in the Pure Land? It would be similar to the christian prayers to assist the "soul" rebirth in the paradise, aside of Jesus Christ!

When death happens, there are 49 days of meditation and bardo prayers to assist the "soul" in the passage.

 

[onceuponatime]

And not to derail the thread too much, on the end of life assist thing, there was never any formal procedure put out by LRH. There isn't such a thing as a "end of life assist" it's a bunch of stuff put together from different references. So depending on who/where/when it was being delivered you'll get different steps/procedure. The most widely used and accepted one, at least in somewhat recent times, is what was put together by the former Snr C/S WUS, Mr. Rodriguez. From what I recall it's more a series of things to do, like close open cycles, write letters/say goodbye to anyone you want to, stuff like that. Maybe's there's a tape they're supposed to listen to and a couple non-metered assist type things? I think whatever he put together got okayed by RTC so it became the accepted way to do things, even though there's no actual reference from LRH saying "do these steps". I could be off on a lot of this, maybe someone with more knowledge will chime in. What I can vaguely remember more or less matches what Chuck is saying in the comments on Ortega's blog.

Back on the topic of her suicide, one thing I want to note, if she had made it known she was suicidal Flag would've declared her persona non grata and wouldn't have okayed her to be on the base, much less go in session. Maybe they were trying to run her on a PAB 6 (probably) but I'm sure the priority was keeping her off the base.

 

[Inanna]

I am a buddhist practitioner for 20 years over!
I've studied the scriptures (sutras) for 4 years with mindfulness zen monk, being part of a Shanga. I recall a few of students who were end of life stage and no similar rituals were performed.

Perhaps you are referring to the Amitabha Pure Land mantra chanting to help the rebirth in the Pure Land? It would be similar to the christian prayers to assist the "soul" rebirth in the paradise, aside of Jesus Christ!

When death happens, there are 49 days of meditation and bardo prayers to assist the "soul" in the passage.

Yes, I was thinking of that. But please know that I’d never equate Scientology with Buddhism.

 

[Karen#1]

, there was never any formal procedure put out by LRH. There isn't such a thing as a "end of life assist" it's a bunch of stuff put together from different references. So depending on who/where/when it was being delivered you'll get different steps/procedure.

No.
Hubbard wrote a specific series of actions which is called a program
which is the End of Life assist.

It is not a haphazard compilation.

It was announced by Pat Broeker at the LRH death event as a gift LRH left for all. (End of life assist)
Can anyone find the link ? (I am jammed)

 

[lotus]

Yes, I was thinking of that. But please know that I’d never equate Scientology with Buddhism.

No no, I did not think that, especially as you made your point clear. ( I would not even take offense)
I was curious to what exactly you were referring to and if there was some rituals I did not know of given the many Buddhism schools

Thank you

 

[Enthetan]

Back on the topic of her suicide, one thing I want to note, if she had made it known she was suicidal Flag would've declared her persona non grata and wouldn't have okayed her to be on the base, much less go in session.

Scientology is not against suicide.

Scientology is against suicide IF the act could have a negative PR impact on Scientology, especially if any plausible argument could be made that Scientology contributed to the suicidal mood.

That is why they are so fanatical about not allowing suicidal people in orgs or allowing them auditing.

 

[lotus]

^^^^^^
Scientology is not against suicide as it may be considered an ethical 3rd dynamic action to relieve the group from the bad pr you may cause to the COS, or also, when, because of a severe disease and the need for care and $$$ spent, you become an impediment for others (family) to go up their bridge! (you are thus out ethics ...)

So, yes , it depends...

 

[Lee #28]

From Aaron's latest video about this woman......he says she had 3 "handlers" or caretakers.....

And that 2 of them were Scientologists....?

More should be found out about them.....as it makes this sound like a Type 3 babysitting situation...or lock down?

Were the handlers Sea Org?

Hopefully her parents will get onboard to figure out what was going on....and what happened.

 

[cakemaker]

She probably didn't want to go see a doctor as any seriously negative diagnosis would ban her from Flag and the Freewinds.
She would be considered a security risk or an illegal pc.

 

[Type4_PTS]

No.
Hubbard wrote a specific series of actions which is called a program
which is the End of Life assist.

It is not a haphazard compilation.

It was announced by Pat Broeker at the LRH death event as a gift LRH left for all. (End of life assist)
Can anyone find the link ? (I am jammed)

I haven't found that reference as yet, but I did see where Pat Broeker announced that there was a new OT Level for Scientologists to be done immediately after dropping one's body. He says it at the 14:51 mark of this video.