fascinating. Here once again is Hubbard's rhetoric that doing OT3-OT8 will have a impact on society.
OT VIII Is A Scam
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well I did, I think Mike explained Hubbard's rhetoric but he doesn't know he did, that's my personal opinion. It's not a derail as you or others claim, just stating my opinion. It's only you and others who derail, lol. You all derail by giving me cheap shots.
HelluvaHoax!
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The ONE SINGLE ANSWER solution all of life is common to all radical religious persons, fanatical organizations and cults.
If, for example, I noticed someone in a white shirt/black tie coming up the walkway to my front door holding a HOLY BIBLE, I would pretty much know they had found "THE" answer to everything. It would all be inside that book. And no matter what question/problem I had, they'd be able to open to a dog-eared page in that infallible book and read me God's or Jesus' answer.
In their minds and beliefs, no other information would be necessary or even relevant. This is how Scientologists operate too--they're more than happy to quote you Ron's words about everything large and small that concerns you.
Riddick's approach to conversation is the same. And like the Bible salesman or the monomaniacal Scientology salesperson that demands that you buy DMSMH, after they have been politely told that you are not interested in buying their holy book, they return the next day to read you the same sacred scripture again. And the same happens every single day after that until you eventually call the police and have them legally trespassed, under threat of arrest and jail. And when they bail out, they take a bus back to your home so they can read you the same bookmarked passages.
The quotes they read area always the same. And they have no concept, apparently, that they are obsessed with continuing this repetitive chanting or that it is having zero effect on the people they are chanting at (other than thoroughly repulsing them on the contents of their book and its source).
Likewise, Riddick's riddickulous magic four (4) words (ethos, pathos, logos & rhetoric) have never converted any infidels to his salvation technology.
Every time I see one of Riddick's posts I always note how many times he has used those magic 4 words. It's very amusing actually, because it makes me marvel at how lamely ineffective such a conversational approach is. It would be like showing up on a message board with four alternate magical words (noun, verb, adjective and adverb) and chanting those instead.
We now briefly journey to the internet site of a Book Club message board where a discussion is in progress:
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The ONE SINGLE ANSWER solution all of life is common to all radical religious persons, fanatical organizations and cults.
If, for example, I noticed someone in a white shirt/black tie coming up the walkway to my front door holding a HOLY BIBLE, I would pretty much know they had found "THE" answer to everything. It would all be inside that book. And no matter what question/problem I had, they'd be able to open to a dog-eared page in that infallible book and read me God's or Jesus' answer.
In their minds and beliefs, no other information would be necessary or even relevant. This is how Scientologists operate too--they're more than happy to quote you Ron's words about everything large and small that concerns you.
Riddick's approach to conversation is the same. And like the Bible salesman or the monomaniacal Scientology salesperson that demands that you buy DMSMH, after they have been politely told that you are not interested in buying their holy book, they return the next day to read you the same sacred scripture again. And the same happens every single day after that until you eventually call the police and have them legally trespassed, under threat of arrest and jail. And when they bail out, they take a bus back to your home so they can read you the same bookmarked passages.
The quotes they read area always the same. And they have no concept, apparently, that they are obsessed with continuing this repetitive chanting or that it is having zero effect on the people they are chanting at (other than thoroughly repulsing them on the contents of their book and its source).
Likewise, Riddick's riddickulous magic four (4) words (ethos, pathos, logos & rhetoric) have never converted any infidels to his salvation technology.
Every time I see one of Riddick's posts I always note how many times he has used those magic 4 words. It's very amusing actually, because it makes me marvel at how lamely ineffective such a conversational approach is. It would be like showing up on a message board with four alternate magical words (noun, verb, adjective and adverb) and chanting those instead.
We now briefly journey to the internet site of a Book Club message board where a discussion is in progress:
MESSAGE BOARD POSTER
So, I really liked the part of the book where
the author said: "You can have all the riches in the
world if you first visualize yourself being rich!"
RIDDICK
You need to understand how that author hoodwinked you.
MESSAGE BOARD POSTER
Whattttt? What do you mean?
RIDDICK
Well that author used GRAMMARIC on you.
MESSAGE BOARD MEMBER
Whattttttttttt? What are you talking about?
RIDDICK
Grammaric!!! It's the art of persuasion. You see, the author
used nouns and verbs and adjectives and adverbs on you.
For example, in that quote you gave, the word "riches" is
a noun! And the word "visualize" is a verb!! That's how
you were hoodwinked and bamboozled!
MESSAGE BOARD MEMBER
But that isn't why I bought the book. I got curious
about that book even before I purchased it when
I saw the title "THINK AND GROW RICH!"
RIDDICK
There you go again. You were hoodwinked because
the author used the words "think" and "grow"--
that's two verbs! No wonder you
could not stop yourself from
buying the book!
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So, I really liked the part of the book where
the author said: "You can have all the riches in the
world if you first visualize yourself being rich!"
RIDDICK
You need to understand how that author hoodwinked you.
MESSAGE BOARD POSTER
Whattttt? What do you mean?
RIDDICK
Well that author used GRAMMARIC on you.
MESSAGE BOARD MEMBER
Whattttttttttt? What are you talking about?
RIDDICK
Grammaric!!! It's the art of persuasion. You see, the author
used nouns and verbs and adjectives and adverbs on you.
For example, in that quote you gave, the word "riches" is
a noun! And the word "visualize" is a verb!! That's how
you were hoodwinked and bamboozled!
MESSAGE BOARD MEMBER
But that isn't why I bought the book. I got curious
about that book even before I purchased it when
I saw the title "THINK AND GROW RICH!"
RIDDICK
There you go again. You were hoodwinked because
the author used the words "think" and "grow"--
that's two verbs! No wonder you
could not stop yourself from
buying the book!
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HelluvaHoax!
Well-known member
stop trolling me HH. Why are you so obsessed that I use the word rhetoric to describe what Hubbard did?
Urban Dictionary: Trolling
And here you are derailing this tread just because I used a word.
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HelluvaHoax!
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Wow, reverse psychology! Impressive tech!
Congratulations! You've scientifically proven that I am the one derailing every thread with idiotic repetitive chanting about rhetoric. LOL
DEAL DU JOUR: I'll stop talking about your trolling and derailing if you stop trolling and derailing every thread with your rhetoric clown show. Deal? We made that deal before and you gave your word that you would only post about rhetoric on your rhetoric thread. That deal worked until a week later when you broke your promise and starting trolling all the other threads again and told everyone "TOUGH SHIT!" Those were your verbatim words. Nobody is trying to stop you from posting about rhetoric on a rhetoric thread. So you want to give your promise again to constrain your rhetoric posts to your own rhetoric thread?
PRO TIP: If Riddick doesn't take that fair deal it demonstrates beyond any shadow of a doubt that he is here to troll ESMB. Everything else he says or asserts is simply misdirection.
So what's it going to be Riddick? You agree to stop derailing threads by making every thread about your rhetoric theories? YES or NO?
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Wow, reverse psychology! Impressive tech!
Congratulations! You've scientifically proven that I am the one derailing every thread with idiotic repetitive chanting about rhetoric. LOL
DEAL DU JOUR: I'll stop talking about your trolling and derailing if you stop trolling and derailing every thread with your rhetoric clown show. Deal? We made that deal before and you gave your word that you would only post about rhetoric on your rhetoric thread. That deal worked until a week later when you broke your promise and starting trolling all the other threads again and told everyone "TOUGH SHIT!" Those were your verbatim words. Nobody is trying to stop you from posting about rhetoric on a rhetoric thread. So you want to give your promise again to constrain your rhetoric posts to your own rhetoric thread?
PRO TIP: If Riddick doesn't take that fair deal it demonstrates beyond any shadow of a doubt that he is here to troll ESMB. Everything else he says or asserts is simply misdirection.
So what's it going to be Riddick? You agree to stop derailing threads by making every thread about your rhetoric theories? YES or NO?
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Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
to be fair and even a bit compassionate, if blunt, i think it's possible that he's not ill intended but just so compulsively driven about his personal fixation that he can't help himself any more than the people who can't stop doing things like licking objects.
and Riddick, while this isn't exactly conventional manners, since you're essentially being rude and invasive if in a sort of passive way*, i'm going to be blunt and ask: is this not the first time in your real life that issues of compulsive behavior, and difficulty in communicating ideas with a group of people, has showed up?
* this also makes me think it may be a behavior developed well enough to able to get by with to a certain extent
HelluvaHoax!
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I will be curious to see what develops from your inquiry.
Right now I am leaning heavily on the side of putting this derailing/trolling behavior in the same file as other internet denizens who go by various names and beliefs. Such as "FIRST AMENDMENT AUDITORS", "SOVEREIGN CITIZENS" or "MOORISH AMERICAN CITIZENS".
The first mentioned above ("1st Amendment Auditors") have the same stated purpose as Riddick. "To Educate Others". They, like Riddick, troll until they get horrible reactions. Their motivation is money of course because the more horrific reactions they get, the more clicks and money is paid to them by YouTube and/or other monetized websites. I have no evidence that Riddick is paid (or somehow compensated by other consideration) to muddy and mess up the threads on this discussion website. That's always the million dollar question, WHY does someone do that.
We know in cases like Marty Rathbun and Alanzo and other outed trolls that they do it for money. I always wondered why Riddick was a regular visitor/supporter on Alanzo's hate and lie-packed blogsite. Maybe the answer is obvious.
I kind of doubt that Riddick is willing or even capable of answering these kind of questions. But have at it because you are far more compassionate and empathetic than myself in such matters. I hope you have a well charged e-meter, lol.
ps: While you are at it, in one of the sessions with Riddick can you ask him why he chronically misspells the word THREAD as "tread". I think others have politely notified him about that at least 2 dozens times but he still doesn't know the difference between a thread and a tread. Does he do this to annoy people? LOL. Or does he actually have a learning disability or even a foreign language barrier?
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ILove2Lurk
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Posting while drinking heavily is obvious. Needs one of these:
ESMBSoberLink Testing & Access System
When a typically pretty good writer has a bunch of obvious misspellings,
starts slurring his/her phrases, or has unexpected fits of anger and throws
down undeserved insults . . . well, you just gotta wonder.
What I'm sayin' is if a person is too drunk to drive are they also too drunk
to post here?
TheSneakster
Well-known member
In the blog post this thread is actually about (and which you have very effectively derailed off topic to your obsessive-compulsive fixation on rhetoric), Mike Rinder neither mentions Ron Hubbard nor discusses Hubbard persuading anyone about anything.
The article is about the current regime under David "Darth Midget" Miscavige (the absolutely Dick-tater of Corporate Scientology since around mid-1988) scamming OT VIII's. These OT VIII Completion folks should be allowed to simply run off, do their own lives, and not be bothered until such a time as there are additional OT Levels above VIII piloted and released.
Instead, Darth Midget has the case supervisor and registratars falsely insist they require additional auditing services (that were mostly made-up by Darth Midget and never required by Ron Hubbard) and/or redoing lower bridge service they already completed - and charging them exhorbitantly for doing so.
no, I figured Hubbard out and what he did, I am defiant to end.
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DM's rhetoric was thru his lawyers, who are also trained in rhetoric. Research Rhetoric and Law. And get your wits around that.
HelluvaHoax!
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Thanks for positively confirming that you are a troll.
I guess that means that you are 'on the way out' (of ESMB). Act accordingly. LOL
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Thanks for positively confirming that you are a troll.
I guess that means that you are 'on the way out' (of ESMB). Act accordingly. LOL
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Riddick has been given a time-out.
F.Bullbait
Wise Guy
Now that I have achieved OT 8....
Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
the thing that strikes me, at least looking at this as an outsider, is that didn't Hubbard tie his successors' hands -- and DM was among his hand-picked inner circle -- and even really hobble them?
'source' kept the CoS going by continually introducing new tech to keep followers interested and continuing to pay significant amounts of money, and to distract from the failure of the promise of previous introductions. what else was a successor, like the one the old man raised at his knee, to do?
and by the way, i think that the reality check on that last point is that even outside the CoS now run by DM, no one (including major early figures like Jack Horner) has ever gotten things to work absent the guru's titular personality and gift for selling newly made up stuff. even highly qualified and capable people with access to financial resources like Dr. 'Sarge' Gerbode, and other of the most successful former mission holders couldn't do it.
Karakorum
千差万別
But maybe you don't need that to go on. The Mormons keep having new prophets, but none of them wrote anything near the 2 giant books of divinely revealed scripture that Joseph Smith did.
I keep finding the J.Smith-Brigham Young and the LRH-Davey analogy to be a good one. The major difference is that Brigham was a good organizer and leader, even if he was a ruthless SOB. Davey is just a ruthless SOB.
Reyne Mayer
Pansexual Revolutionary
that would indeed be an interesting comparison to delve into, though i don't have time to do it justice at moment.
one thing that comes right to mind though, is that Young seems to have been good at finding ways to evolve the organization, and established that there could be subsequent prophets if not authors of scripture.
so whether or not Smith introduced it, the LDS certainly established early on that new leaders could give prophecy and use that to make changes, whereas in the CoS a successor to the founder is supposed to be just a caretaker of writings and organization supposedly already fully developed to perfection.
