Cat's Squirrel
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I think Mooji is the real deal. There's a warmth and gentleness about the guy which infuses the whole session, and there are also frequent splashes of humour;
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Can you share with us what you like about him. For some strange reason, I just can't listen to another religious spiritual guru who has that glassy stare in his eyes. It is an engram I am trying to erase.I think Mooji is the real deal. There's a warmth and gentleness about the guy which infuses the whole session, and there are also frequent splashes of humour;
You often talk about the tone scale and 1.1s and now engrams. Do you think these things exist? Just curious.Can you share with us what you like about him. For some strange reason, I just can't listen to another religious spiritual guru who has that glassy stare in his eyes. It is an engram I am trying to erase.
I think I've already said it;Can you share with us what you like about him. For some strange reason, I just can't listen to another religious spiritual guru who has that glassy stare in his eyes. It is an engram I am trying to erase.
Thanks for replying. From what I remember Ram Dass saying, about two-fifths of the population (or about 40%) have experienced a kensho or satori moment, but (again according to Ram Dass) most of them don't take it any further, because in his words it "screws up the apple cart".Two or three years ago I delved into nondualism and listened to lots of Mooji, Adyashanti and other teachers and I "resonate" with most of what they say. There was also a female teacher I liked but I don't recall her name right now.
Listening to Mooji again was refreshing. It's a much different path or study than scientology where you are expected to analytically learn and apply. As I listened to the teachers I would often nod in agreement, "Yes, I've experienced and understand that.", and with other things I simply passed over them making no attempt to analytically understand, the subject often based on intuitive or experiential understanding or realization.
To clarify a bit, many people have experienced brief moments of kensho or satori while most people have not. To them the nondualism concept of "I" being a non identified, no ego timeless observer watching "now" go by would make no sense.
Kenshō[note 1] (見性) is a Japanese term from the Zen tradition. Ken means "seeing", shō means "nature, essence".[4][2] It is usually translated as "seeing one's (true) nature", that is, the Buddha-nature or nature of mind.
Kenshō is an initial insight or awakening, not full Buddhahood.[5] It is to be followed by further training to deepen this insight, and learn to express it in daily life.[6][7][8]
The term kenshō is often used interchangeably with satori, which is derived from the verb satoru,[9] and means "comprehension; understanding".[web 1][note 2][note 3]
Kenshō - Wikipedia
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Reading the above I suppose I could count myself among the 40%. What I experienced (on two different occasions) is what I believe is referred to as a 'religious experience', that feeling of being at one with the universe and a profound sense of transcendent well-being. No scientology or mind-altering drugs were employed, it was a spontaneous occurrence and what set it in train I haven't the foggiest idea. If I could have bottled it I certainly would have.Thanks for replying. From what I remember Ram Dass saying, about two-fifths of the population (or about 40%) have experienced a kensho or satori moment, but (again according to Ram Dass) most of them don't take it any further, because in his words it "screws up the apple cart".
Their lives are based on a set of ideas around who they are; their personal history, likes and dislikes, opinions etc.; and their kensho experience shows that that set of ideas isn't them at all and it's too big a threat to them so they try and ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.
From what I've read from Buddhist teachers like Stephen Levine, it can't be "taken further" - it lasts as long as it does and then you have to put it behind you and get on with life (apparently a lot of people don't and find themselves getting stuck).How one was supposed to 'take it any further' didn't occur to me at the time, it lasted over a period of several days until my feet eventually touched the ground again.
I can't say I ever felt stuck, but this happened about forty-five years ago and it was such a powerful and other-worldly experience that it left a deep impression on me that has lasted to this day.From what I've read from Buddhist teachers like Stephen Levine, it can't be "taken further" - it lasts as long as it does and then you have to put it behind you and get on with life (apparently a lot of people don't and find themselves getting stuck).
That's an excellent description! I've had two or three such experiences lasting a day or two before they slowly faded away. In addition to what you aptly said, " . . . that feeling of being at one with the universe and a profound sense of transcendent well-being" I also had a strong sense of the irrelevance of current mind and body in the grand scheme of things.Reading the above I suppose I could count myself among the 40%. What I experienced (on two different occasions) is what I believe is referred to as a 'religious experience', that feeling of being at one with the universe and a profound sense of transcendent well-being. No scientology or mind-altering drugs were employed, it was a spontaneous occurrence and what set it in train I haven't the foggiest idea. If I could have bottled it I certainly would have.
How one was supposed to 'take it any further' didn't occur to me at the time, it lasted over a period of several days until my feet eventually touched the ground again.
Well, for people following up on it as a spiritual pursuit it would take a lot of commitment. Maybe a change of diet, eliminating negative situations in life, meditating or chanting, attending satsungs and the list goes on.Thanks for replying. From what I remember Ram Dass saying, about two-fifths of the population (or about 40%) have experienced a kensho or satori moment, but (again according to Ram Dass) most of them don't take it any further, because in his words it "screws up the apple cart".
Their lives are based on a set of ideas around who they are; their personal history, likes and dislikes, opinions etc.; and their kensho experience shows that that set of ideas isn't them at all and it's too big a threat to them so they try and ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.
Me too. At the time I experienced the above it felt like a 'spiritual' phenomenon, but in the same decade I took LSD and learned that their is only a very thin veil between what we normally experience as 'reality' and something radically different. It only takes a subtle rebalancing of the chemicals in the brain to produce all sorts of perceptual changes.I prefer to think of non-dualism in terms of modern neuroscience brain research.
However, I suspect that the pattern (biological or non-biological) required for self-awareness will not happen within my lifetime.
That's interesting. I attended the meetings in London of the Australian spiritual teacher Barry Long in 1987 (just after I attested to Clear, btw), and subscribed to his mailing list, so I got a few of his books and tapes. In one of those tapes he talked about a state called non-experience, in which nothing much seems to be happening and life seems very bland.Just as a counter point, some guy on a blog once said that he had been a Buddhist for eight years and he could easily go into a state of satori but I guess he found it a bit boring or something so he jumped into scientology and gave it a try, maybe hoping to get some super powerz. lol
Non-dualism suggests a shorter path to "awakening" than traditional Buddhism but it would still take a lot of dedication. As seen in the letters to Mooji some or many people get hung up on something. I think in traditional Buddhism many people find a personal teacher to guide them through rough spots.That's interesting. I attended the meetings in London of the Australian spiritual teacher Barry Long in 1987 (just after I attested to Clear, btw), and subscribed to his mailing list, so I got a few of his books and tapes. In one of those tapes he talked about a state called non-experience, in which nothing much seems to be happening and life seems very bland.
Barry's point was that this is an essential stage in the spiritual journey, and that if you can't tolerate it you won't go any further. I've seen similar things said by the Zen teacher Brad Warner and by the Implicate Technology Centre (whose two books are available online), so I think it's most likely true.