Mooji Answers — The Master Key to All Problems

[Cat's Squirrel]

Non-dualism suggests a shorter path to "awakening" than traditional Buddhism but it would still take a lot of dedication. As seen in the letters to Mooji some or many people get hung up on something. I think in traditional Buddhism many people find a personal teacher to guide them through rough spots.

On a scn blog some years ago an Indie Scientologist said she thought some scn procedures might help non-dualists who get bogged. Good luck with that.

Hi again Zertel,

A teacher's a great help, certainly, because a good one can see where you're stuck / hiding / kidding yourself etc. I once wrote to Bo Lozoff (RIP) about something he'd said in one of his books and he wrote back with some comments of his own, and I wish I still had the letter because it was not only very clear about the points I was writing to him about but had some other, more general information about the nature of the path and where I was going wrong - in fact I've used some of what I can remember from what he said, in my answers here on ESMB.

Scn. procedures to help with non-dualism - was that Christine Norstrand by any chance? I'll have a think about that one.

 

[Riddick]

I think Mooji is the real deal. There's a warmth and gentleness about the guy which infuses the whole session, and there are also frequent splashes of humour;

oh god, no thanks, had enough of hubbard's lectures.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

oh god, no thanks, had enough of hubbard's lectures.

I sympathise because I didn't have to listen to many LRH talks - the only tapes I remember listening to were the Student Hat ones and the Guide to Effective Knowledge - and I can believe it must have been trying for many people, but this isn't the same thing at all.

Mooji's style is different from LRH's and the talks are much more interactive than Scientology ones, with questions from the audience (something I can't imagine Hubbard doing).

[EDIT: he talks about Covid-19 at 1:59:45 here.]

 

[Zertel]

Hi again Zertel,

A teacher's a great help, certainly, because a good one can see where you're stuck / hiding / kidding yourself etc. I once wrote to Bo Lozoff (RIP) about something he'd said in one of his books and he wrote back with some comments of his own, and I wish I still had the letter because it was not only very clear about the points I was writing to him about but had some other, more general information about the nature of the path and where I was going wrong - in fact I've used some of what I can remember from what he said, in my answers here on ESMB.

Scn. procedures to help with non-dualism - was that Christine Norstrand by any chance? I'll have a think about that one.

"Scn. procedures to help with non-dualism - was that Christine Norstrand by any chance? I'll have a think about that one."

Don't bother - lol - A team of auditors in the back rooms at a satsung waiting to help bogged non-dualists? lol
She mentioned it in a general way but without anything specific. On the other hand who would have expected the Nation of Islam to adopt and practice Scientology Tek so who knows?

The person I knew on Rathbun's blog went by the handle "marildi". She was mainly an Indy scientologist but had a background in several other subjects. I happened to mention part of a satori experience I'd had and she immediately directed me to a talk by Adyashanti who was discussing a similar thing. That put me on a two or three month investigation into non-dualism. Prior to that I had no context for a couple of experiences I'd had.

 

[Zertel]

I just did an internet search of "non-dualism teachers". It turns out there is a list of almost two thousand of them on a website under the general category of Advaita Vedanta which wiki says literally means non-duality and is a school of Hindu philosophy and is a classic system of self realization in Indian tradition. There is even a list of "Guru Ratings"!

Here's a website which came up at the top of a "Bing" search and gives a decent overview of non-dualism IMO. I guess he's saying that he got benefits but the other teachers don't take it "far enough" which he does or something like that.

The Scam of Nonduality: Why I Left Teaching and Why I’m Coming Back - Science and Nonduality (SAND)

I grew up with trauma followed by 20 years of addiction to drugs and alcohol.

www.scienceandnonduality.com

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

I just did an internet search of "non-dualism teachers". It turnsout there are a couple thousand of them under the general category of Advaita Vedanta which wiki says literally means non-duality and is a school of Hindu philosophy and is a classic system of self realization in Indian tradition. There is even a list of "Guru Ratings"!

Here's a website which came up at the top of a "bing" search and gives a decent overview of non-dualism IMO. I guess he's saying that he got benefits but the other teachers don't take it "far enough" which he does or something like that.

The Scam of Nonduality: Why I Left Teaching and Why I’m Coming Back - Science and Nonduality (SAND)

I grew up with trauma followed by 20 years of addiction to drugs and alcohol.

www.scienceandnonduality.com

Thanks, that's a good essay. It is clear that Scott's issues didn't go away after his awakening.

There's a chapter at the end of James Swartz's book "How To Attain Enlightenment" which deals with this phenomenon. The problem is that it's easy to "talk the talk" and come out with all the right words without actually having any first-hand knowledge of what you're talking about. He gives what seems to be a reasonable account of the issues here, though it helps if you have some idea of the terminology;

https://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/trad_neo/neo_vedanta_swartz.htm

 

[Riddick]

I just did an internet search of "non-dualism teachers". It turns out there is a list of almost two thousand of them on a website under the general category of Advaita Vedanta which wiki says literally means non-duality and is a school of Hindu philosophy and is a classic system of self realization in Indian tradition. There is even a list of "Guru Ratings"!

Here's a website which came up at the top of a "Bing" search and gives a decent overview of non-dualism IMO. I guess he's saying that he got benefits but the other teachers don't take it "far enough" which he does or something like that.

The Scam of Nonduality: Why I Left Teaching and Why I’m Coming Back - Science and Nonduality (SAND)

I grew up with trauma followed by 20 years of addiction to drugs and alcohol.

www.scienceandnonduality.com

too funny, lots of people are guru's. What makes Hubbard different from all these guru's is Hubbard created a Bridge to Total Freedom, or step by step, just move up the Bridge to total Freedom to attain enlightenment, which are known as clear and OT.

Is there a afterlife, or do we come back, don't know, I hope so, but nobody has proved it. Just say'in.

 

[Riddick]

I think Mooji is the real deal. There's a warmth and gentleness about the guy which infuses the whole session, and there are also frequent splashes of humour;

Hubbard scientology said the master key to all problems was doing grade 1 auditing. Do you even know what I just wrote?

I mean do you know what Grade 1 auditing means? Do you know what the EP of Grade 1 auditing is supposed to accomplish?

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Hubbard scientology said the master key to all problems was doing grade 1 auditing. Do you even know what I just wrote?

I mean do you know what Grade 1 auditing means? Do you know what the EP of Grade 1 auditing is supposed to accomplish?

This thread is about Mooji, it has nothing to do with Scientology. It is in the "Other Belief Systems, Ideas and Philosophies" section of the board.

I have some acquaintanceship with Grade 1 but I don't think the credibility of what I have to say here should rest on how well I know what the EP of Grade 1 auditing, or that of any other Scientology action, is or means in practice. I'm in favour of confining discussion about Scientology tech, if we want to have it (and many of us don't, and we have a right not to) to the appropriate sections of the board.

 

[Riddick]

This thread is about Mooji, it has nothing to do with Scientology. It is in the "Other Belief Systems, Ideas and Philosophies" section of the board.

I have some acquaintanceship with Grade 1 but I don't think the credibility of what I have to say here should rest on how well I know what the EP of Grade 1 auditing, or that of any other Scientology action, is or means in practice. I'm in favour of confining discussion about Scientology tech, if we want to have it (and many of us don't, and we have a right not to) to the appropriate sections of the board.

ok, carry on I guess. I don't know why this message board has to include other beliefs, afterall it is called exscientology redux. I'd rather this place only have scientology and not other things, but thats me.

When you said Mooji solves problems, I had to relate to Hubbard since I know Hubbard's system.

Anyways, you have my word I won't be commenting on your turf anymore.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

ok, carry on I guess. I don't know why this message board has to include other beliefs, afterall it is called exscientology redux. I'd rather this place only have scientology and not other things, but thats me.

It's called an Ex-Scientologists' board, right? It's even in the title. Some people - and I'm one of them - studied other teachings before they came into Scientology, so it makes sense we'd want to do the same thing after we left. Others might not have been interested when they were younger, but find they are now.

Ultimately though, it's up to the admins and the owner of the board to decide what should be allowed on here. If they decide that they don't want a section where other teachers can be discussed, then obviously we'd have to go along with that.

When you said Mooji solves problems, I had to relate to Hubbard since I know Hubbard's system.

Where did I say that? I don't know what Mooji says about problems per se, though he sometimes comments on individual ones that people bring to him in his meetings.

Anyways, you have my word I won't be commenting on your turf anymore.

This board's for everyone, including this section. I just started a thread about Mooji because he appeals to me as a teacher, other people can comment in it or not as they see fit or start their own threads about other teachers and teachings. Sometimes I started threads on the old board and no one replied, but them's the breaks.

I found your tone very antagonistic which was why I replied in the way I did. "Do you even know what I just wrote?" is an attack, not a request for information.

 

[Zertel]

Once again a counter point. From a scientific realism* point of view "awakening" might be looked at as a conditioned state of mind. On the other hand for people who experience peak or transcendental experiences under various descriptions they are very real and memorable.

* I avoid the often used description "atheist scientific materialism". To me it carries a negative connotation and an us vs. them mentality. Some people give credence to things mystical, paranormal or supernatural and some don't. That's life.

Failure at a cult or religion might lead one to a scientific realism point of view while other people might look for a different "path". [ETA: This could be the reason why a section called "Other Belief Systems, Ideas and Philosophies" was included on the original ESMB.]

Someone once said, "There are many paths to the top of the mountain." This assumes there is a mountain and how high up is it?

I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said before. When I attain guru status I'll come back with further descriptions. . . . (joke)

 

[Zertel]

The people attending Mooji's satsung are obviously enjoying themselves while taking a break from the busy everyday world.

Some years after I left scientology I took up Transcendental Meditation for a few months. In TM you are given a mantra or sound which you think over and over while meditating and are instructed to take it "deeper and deeper". I eventually lost interest but a memorable part was going on weekend retreat which took place in a quiet wooded area at boarding school which was on summer recess. It was a weekend of quiet and rest with some group discussions, group meditations and vegetarian meals and was an interesting and unique experience.

 

[Riddick]

It's called an Ex-Scientologists' board, right? It's even in the title. Some people - and I'm one of them - studied other teachings before they came into Scientology, so it makes sense we'd want to do the same thing after we left. Others might not have been interested when they were younger, but find they are now.

Ultimately though, it's up to the admins and the owner of the board to decide what should be allowed on here. If they decide that they don't want a section where other teachers can be discussed, then obviously we'd have to go along with that.



Where did I say that? I don't know what Mooji says about problems per se, though he sometimes comments on individual ones that people bring to him in his meetings.



This board's for everyone, including this section. I just started a thread about Mooji because he appeals to me as a teacher, other people can comment in it or not as they see fit or start their own threads about other teachers and teachings. Sometimes I started threads on the old board and no one replied, but them's the breaks.

I found your tone very antagonistic which was why I replied in the way I did. "Do you even know what I just wrote?" is an attack, not a request for information.

"Where did I say that? I don't know what Mooji says about problems per se, though he sometimes comments on individual ones that people bring to him in his meetings."

You said it in the title of the tread -
"Mooji Answers — The Master Key to All Problems".

but whatever, I'll stay out of this tread.

 

[Zertel]

Hubbard had something to say about damn near everything. It would be normal for an Ex to compare other subjects to scientology. I do it all the time. Lol

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

"Where did I say that? I don't know what Mooji says about problems per se, though he sometimes comments on individual ones that people bring to him in his meetings."

You said it in the title of the tread -
"Mooji Answers — The Master Key to All Problems".

but whatever, I'll stay out of this tread.

DUH! You're right! I apologise. I posted a new video in the thread and forgot about the first one even though it gave the thread the title.

 

[Riddick]

DUH! You're right! I apologise. I posted a new video in the thread and forgot about the first one even though it gave the thread the title.

no worries.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

no worries.

Thanks. I am willing to talk about Grade 1 tech in Scn (and the grades generally), but I'd rather talk about teachers and teachings that I'd be happy for people who read this forum to go to.

It's never far from my mind that since the "Going Clear" film in 2015, this forum like its predecessor is likely to be visited by people who have had no prior experience of either Scientology or the CofS and are curious to know what it's all about, and I don't want to say anything which might be taken as a green light for them to go into an org and start any kind of involvement with Scientology.

 

[Zertel]

Thanks. I am willing to talk about Grade 1 tech in Scn (and the grades generally), but I'd rather talk about teachers and teachings that I'd be happy for people who read this forum to go to.

It's never far from my mind that since the "Going Clear" film in 2005, this forum like its predecessor is likely to be visited by people who have had no prior experience of either Scientology or the CofS and are curious to know what it's all about, and I don't want to say anything which might be taken as a green light for them to go into an org and start any kind of involvement with Scientology.

"Going Clear:Scientology and the Prison of Belief" was released in 2015 as an HBO documentary.

I left scientology around 1980 because of the large price increases which I thought were greedy and unjustified and I wasn't willing to pay the price for whatever they were selling on the secretive "upper levels". At the time I had no problem with the subject itself and had not experienced any abuse and wasn't aware of any in the organization.

I soon dismissed it as having been in a "We know everything about everything" organization/cult and dismissed it at that and rarely read a word about it until I watched the doc and decided to reexamine my scn experience.

By participating on scn blogs and forums over the last five years I've separated fact from fiction and true from false on some ideas I had carried forward and also learned a lot from people sharing their experiences in scn and other subjects.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

"Going Clear:Scientology and the Prison of Belief" was released on Jan. 25,2015 as an HBO documentary.

I left scientology around 1980 because of the large price increases which I thought were greedy and unjustified and I wasn't willing to pay the price for whatever they were selling on the secretive "upper levels". At the time I had no problem with the subject itself and had not experienced any abuse and wasn't aware of any in the organization.

I soon dismissed it as having been in a "We know everything about everything" organization/cult and dismissed it at that and rarely read a word about it until I watched the doc and decided to reexamine my scn experience.

Sorry, I meant 2015! I give up. [I've since edited the post.]

You're right about the prices; if memory serves, it was about £6,000 for OT3 in the mid-80s.

My position was a bit different; the CofS is supposed to be nice to you when you first join up and do introductory courses, but I had to deal with a forceful and abusive ethics officer who put me off the organisation. I also saw some of the more rigid and unpleasant things that went on, and decided I didn't want to get any further involved (I was also involved with another teaching at the time, which was lucky because I was able to use them as a reason to not go further that the CofS would accept).

About six months later, I decided I needed auditing and, not wanting to go back to the CofS, found an independent group where I spent most of the next four years. I actually took some persuading that the group was OK because of course the CofS courserooms had had warnings about "squirrels."