Aaron Smith-Levin: Angry OT Parents at Flag Protesting David Miscavige’s Forced Vaccinations of Their Sea Org Children

HelluvaHoax!

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You aren't entitled to any further answers...

You have been demanding I violate Operational Security 101 (I had Sea Org training in this during Mission School) for more than ten (10) years. Not going to happen. Ever.

Besides that, no human is entitled to know the inner thoughts of another against their will. You made yourself an enemy to me, so you get nothing.
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That was an exciting read! So, let's recap:

1. You joined a DISCUSSION forum. But you make grandiose grandstanding theatrics about how you refuse to DISCUSS. Sure that makes sense. LOL.

2. So you have concluded that I am not ENTITLED to any further answers? What? I don't have the fucking rank? LOL

3. I also am also not entitled to to know your INNER THOUGHTS, right? So people are only allowed to listen to you without asking questions while you lecture? Jeez, that sounds very Scientological, but it makes sense because Scientologists are the only qualified people on this planet to give briefings and r-factors, right?

4. So now I am your ENEMY? LOL. And I get NOTHING? LOL. Keep writing those furious KRs Sneakster, because there are many more wicked enemies here on this board and I will try to help your investigation by ratting out my co-conspirators.

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ps: Thanks for the r-factor that I violated "Operational Security 101" that Dr. Hubbard trained you on for 10 years. I don't know what supernatural secrets Ron taught you but I am kind of getting nervous that someone as angry as you might pull the air cover off this planet.

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Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
I believe that there IS such an arrangement. I saw something written to that effect over at the Bunker or at Mike Rinder's blog, but cannot find it in a quick search I did.
as best i can recall, i've seen old reports of elderly sea org being dropped off at nursing homes in the Florida area, maybe even over state lines, and of the sea org starting to run their own sort of senior care for an increasing number of elderly members (and perhaps ones who know too much), at int base.
 

onceuponatime

Well-known member
I think the reason behind getting the vaccine is simple. DM has asthma and was a smoker for years, so he is at higher risk from this stuff. The same goes for many of the SO members. They are, for the most part, an older population who are also at high risk. On top of that many of them are heavy smokers, that makes them higher risk no matter their age.

I'm not sure when they started vaccinating but I would not be surprised to learn the timeline went something like this. Covid-19 gets announced, they shut down and start following protocols, believing their superior cleaning will save them. Despite the protocols people get sick, seeing this (and probably seeing how bad it was for the older staff) they decide to start the vaccine thing. The vaccine goes well, people aren't getting as sick, etc. so they roll it out to all SO members. All of this while the majority of the Scientology population is rabidly anti-vaccine.

I don't know that any SO members died, I'm sure some got sick, but I haven't heard of any deaths. I would not be surprised to learn that there have been some deaths. I do know Scientology public who have died, all the ones I know or have heard of were un-vaccinated and their families have remained rabidly anti-vaccine.

It creates quite a problem for the Church. Many of their members have gone far down the anti-vaccine/trump/Q rabbit hole, and then here's the Church vaccinating all SO members.

as best i can recall, i've seen old reports of elderly sea org being dropped off at nursing homes in the Florida area, maybe even over state lines, and of the sea org starting to run their own sort of senior care for an increasing number of elderly members (and perhaps ones who know too much), at int base.
As far as I know the retirement stuff is at Flag. I don't know that it has changed but old people who were too old to do their posts were "retired" to Flag where they got a part-time schedule and from what I've heard didn't really do anything all day. Certainly nothing like an actual retirement, more like trapped at the Hacienda all day. I've also heard they are more aggressive about routing people out, "fitness boarding" them, essentially kicking them out to the streets after they've been in the SO for 30+ years.
 

Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
It creates quite a problem for the Church. Many of their members have gone far down the anti-vaccine/trump/Q rabbit hole, and then here's the Church vaccinating all SO members.
i suspect that's going to be a real tarbaby for them, it's taken a lot of members down the path of what is kind of like 'other practices' or at least other beliefs that may conflict with or even supercede $cn.

As far as I know the retirement stuff is at Flag. I don't know that it has changed but old people who were too old to do their posts were "retired" to Flag where they got a part-time schedule and from what I've heard didn't really do anything all day. Certainly nothing like an actual retirement, more like trapped at the Hacienda all day. I've also heard they are more aggressive about routing people out, "fitness boarding" them, essentially kicking them out to the streets after they've been in the SO for 30+ years.
i thought i'd read about it being done at int base, kind of like it was done for Annie Broeker (though off base at that point, to keep anyone from knowing what was going on). i'm not sure about that, and it would seem plausible that they're doing forms of it at both major locations. elderly staff being given minimal or token work loads also rings a bell, and also maybe in LA.

and yes i've read about the fitness boarding as well. i'm guessing it may depend on things like, again, whether people know things that the CoS doesn't want to go off base, and maybe also say whether they have family who they can be offloaded to, and even whether that family are members who would keep things quiet or non-members who might risk a 'flap'.

i'm guessing that we're seeing the beginning of a bunch of leaks and defections that are going to give us a better picture of what's been going on inside, though i'm not holding my breath....
 
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Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
Just in the last 2 months I have had 3 dear friends die of Covid who were heavy smokers. 2 of them were on ventilators but died some 10 days after ventilator removed.

Miscavige smokes like a chimney (Standing Order of the packs of cigarettes to be placed on conference table with water before he entered the room at INT Base) but he has had ASTHMA for decades and now and again gets a severe asthma attack.
Were the three friends overweight as well as being smokers? From what I've been reading, being overweight, and especially being diabetic and overweight, is a significant comorbidity.
 

The_Fixer

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Sure, but if anyone contracts severe Covid-19, they aren't going to receive live-saving Critical Care in those places. :mad:
By their own way of thinking, it's nothing that a few auditing sessions and touch assists wouldn't sort out. Assuming they truly believe in the scriptures that state most illnesses are psychosomatic. Which, by the current state of panic ensuing, seems to cast doubts on that one.

There is also the situation where they "pulled it in" by being out-ethics and therefore deserve no sympathy. Unless of course, they have many thousands of dollars to spare, just waiting for the sec checks for that one, lol. That would have Miscavige rubbing his hands with glee for a few minutes.
 

The_Fixer

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plus many are aging, and smokers.

my guess would be the CoS has used tricks they've been reported to have resorted to before in other situations, keeping people out of hospitals when they can, and dispersing them to hospitals (or nursing homes) as far away as possible under 'shore stories' when they have to. i've long been suspicious they might have some arrangement with a nursing home owner for offloading aging and sick sea org.

i don't think there's necessarily a crime in anything that unless they take it too far somehow.
Now that many people are now using the DIY RAT kits, I doubt many of them will be reporting any positive test results outside of the church.
In Australia, any positive test results must now be reported to the relevant health authorities, regardless of your condition.
I don't see any of the church members actually doing that if they are live in members, in case they get isolated and thus lose business.
 

onceuponatime

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i thought i'd read about it being done at int base, kind of like it was done for Annie Broeker (though off base at that point, to keep anyone from knowing what was going on). i'm not sure about that, and it would seem plausible that they're doing forms of it at both major locations. elderly staff being given minimal or token work loads also rings a bell, and also maybe in LA.

and yes i've read about the fitness boarding as well. i'm guessing it may depend on things like, again, whether people know things that the CoS doesn't want to go off base, and maybe also say whether they have family who they can be offloaded to, and even whether that family are members who would keep things quiet or non-members who might risk a 'flap'.

i'm guessing that we're seeing the beginning of a bunch of leaks and defections that are going to give us a better picture of what's been going on inside, though i'm not holding my breath....
LA might have a similar program, but I recall mainly hearing about it at Flag. For people like Annie though, there's no way even if she "retired" she'd be allowed to leave Int. For those who have seen too much (e.g. Heber) they probably have some other "retirement" thing going on at Int.

I hope we get more leaks. I wouldn't be shocked though if it just continues to fade. I don't see members of the aging Scientology population turning, the ones left are the hardcore true believers. I do think more and more of the 2nd gen will move away from the church, so we'll probably get leaks from that.
 

Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
another account and more evidence over at The Bunker today (a report that's apparently circulating):

24/11/2021

Things that shouldn’t be

Today I learned from my son who is in the SO at PAC that he received the vaccine, along with many other SO members. It was the first time I had heard from him in some time and he was asking me a lot of questions about the vaccine and whether I had gotten it. Of course I said no and started to pull the string on his questions because his comm seemed odd.

He eventually told me everyone on the base is required to get the vaccine, and if they don’t agree to get it, they are being forced to stay in iso rooms by themselves even if they are not sick. He knows of many if not all senior base terminals and CMO have now been vaccinated.

My son is an adult and he is free to make his own choices. However when I asked him why he did it, he admitted he felt pressured into it. He said when the first vaccine came out orders came down from management about getting the staff to get it. The MLO distributed some write up that had a bunch of false data about how safe/effective the vaccine is. He read the booklet but still didn’t want to get vaccinated. Eventually he was tired of the isolation and not seeing his wife and being treated like an ethics particle and just agreed to get it.

This is totally unacceptable – first that it is happening and second that he felt he had to lie because he didn’t want to get in trouble for telling a public who is his own mother! We know the vaccine is just awful and that it does nothing to protect against anything anyway!

As a Scientologist, an OT and his mother I feel I must make this known. But I don’t really know what else to do because clearly this is a worldwide program and not isolated to PAC.

Also, for the last 2 years of the lockdown my son has not moved on the bridge at all – and it doesn’t sound like very many people on staff are. Hello! This is the perfect time to make a bunch of OTs! Who deserves the levels more than the SO at a time like this?
 
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Karakorum

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another account and more evidence over at The Bunker today.
My son is an adult and he is free to make his own choices.
How wrong you are dear SO member's parent!
You can never ever make your own choices in the SO. That's why the SO is there in the first place! :clapping:

However when I asked him why he did it, he admitted he felt pressured into it.
"Felt pressured" - that's a funny way to describe an order.

He read the booklet but still didn’t want to get vaccinated
Maybe he didn't word-clear everything enough times?

Eventually he was tired of the isolation and not seeing his wife and being treated like an ethics particle being a total idiot who doesn't understand orders and is obstinately being counter-intention and just agreed to get it.


FIFY ;)
 
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Karakorum

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As for the above post - sorry, sometimes the demon of my in-SO mentality takes over.
 

Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
As for the above post - sorry, sometimes the demon of my in-SO mentality takes over.
i kind of appreciate seeing it demonstrated, at least from my perspective of a never-in trying to understand better how $cn works.

However when I asked him why he did it, he admitted he felt pressured into it.
"Felt pressured" - that's a funny way to describe an order.
i would say pressure is what has to be applied, when there isn't actual legal authority to enforce a request or command -- i think even calling it an order is giving is falling into a hubbardian language trap of giving it an authority it doesn't really have. plus when like in $cn, the bottom line is that they're desperate for bodies, and want to retain people though coercion and thought reform when necessary, rather than letting them make their own choices and deal with the consequences.

in the real military they'd send someone to the brig, lawfully, or maybe then just discharge them.
 

Karakorum

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i kind of appreciate seeing it demonstrated, at least from my perspective of a never-in trying to understand better how $cn works.



i would say pressure is what has to be applied, when there isn't actual legal authority to enforce a request or command -- i think even calling it an order is giving is falling into a hubbardian language trap of giving it an authority it doesn't really have. plus when like in $cn, the bottom line is that they're desperate for bodies, and want to retain people though coercion and thought reform when necessary, rather than letting them make their own choices and deal with the consequences.

in the real military they'd send someone to the brig, lawfully, or maybe then just discharge them.
SO has many types of "orders", because you see there's this thing called "command intention" that is seen as an order, but doesn't have to be 100% clear or 100% explicit. That goes against Hubbard's notion of "have everything written down", but SO is full of discrepancies like that.

I'm pretty sure that SO member in question must have had a conversation with the IC in the vein of:

IC: Get your head out of your arse and stop acting like a fucking spastic! Get on with the damn program and get that fucking shot already! You wanna get all of us in trouble?! Did you go PTS or are you simply an imbecile?!

SO member: "No way, that vaccine is dangerous. I ain't doing it until I get written orders signed by the big cheese."

IC: "Fine, be that way. I'm sending you to iso - you can stay there until you rot or get that fucking shot."

in the real military they'd send someone to the brig, lawfully, or maybe then just discharge them.
The SO is like the 18th century British navy. It's gonna try to keep you in against your will and throw all sorts of sticks and carrots at you hoping to make you "come to your senses" and go back to doing whatever your post requires you to do.
 

Karakorum

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I think there's an EP cognition this sort of SO conditioning leads people to. It is the WOS -COG, best illustrated by this short clip:


And then you land at this cog about the SO:
 
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