Aaron Smith-Levin: Angry OT Parents at Flag Protesting David Miscavige’s Forced Vaccinations of Their Sea Org Children

Karen#1

Well-known member
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We learned from Tony Ortega’s still-in-Scientology source “Insider” that David Miscavige ordered all Sea Org members to get Covid vaccinations. David Miscavige kept this a secret from his notoriously anti-vaxx Scientology public members.

Now Aaron Smith-Levin confirms this on Twitter and adds that “Several high-profile, wealthy, OT 8 Scientologists are recruiting parents of Sea Org members to join in on sending an “official complaint” to David Miscavige about the mandatory vaccination of Sea Org members. ”
 

Enthetan

Veteran of the Psychic Wars
Normally, this would result in the organizers being quickly declared.

But DM perhaps cannot afford to have too many of his remaining whales swim off.

We will see.
 

TheSneakster

Well-known member
I think Tony Ortega and Aaron Smith-Levin are being played. Hard.
 

Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
I think Tony Ortega and Aaron Smith-Levin are being played. Hard.
what would be the point of that?

it seems to me that what's being published would just encourage more people who are UTR, or getting curious about what's on the internet after the break resulting from the pandemic, to doubt and even dissent themselves.
 

TheSneakster

Well-known member
what would be the point of that?
The point of C of S OSA having an operative act as an "insider" informant would be to trick enemies into publishing false information which could be readily identified as such by C of S members and staff, thus discrediting them as sources of true information.
 

onceuponatime

Well-known member
This was bound to blow up at some point. Another example of Scientology and Scientologists being their own worst enemy.

I think Tony Ortega and Aaron Smith-Levin are being played. Hard.
You're welcome to believe what you want. Personally I know that the SO has been working on a campaign to vaccinate all of their members and I find it very believable. It's not surprising to me at all that this is flapping with the general Scientology public as they are very anti-vaccine.
 

TheSneakster

Well-known member
You're welcome to believe what you want. Personally I know that the SO has been working on a campaign to vaccinate all of their members and I find it very believable. It's not surprising to me at all that this is flapping with the general Scientology public as they are very anti-vaccine.
Sure, but the claim is that OT VIII "whales" are organizing a mutiny against D.M. amongst the parents of Sea Org members. This is what I find absurd. Even more so that somebody with knowledge of it would leak that information for public broadcast to dedicated enemies of Scientology.

D.M. would have learned of it almost instantly, blown several mental gaskets, and started an extremely heavy-handed "investigation". So, whether this report is true or not, we can expect D.M. to begin unjustly tearing up parents of Sea Org members and pulling in OT VIII "whales" for sec checking (at their own expense) to determine whether they are organizers of this mutiny. If D.M. does the only thing he knows how to do, he ends up with a great many ARC-Broken "whales" with enough money between them to do God-only-knows-what to him.

So, perhaps an alternative assessment is that this is a clever PR operation originated from the anti-Scientology critic camp with the purpose of inciting another all-out revolt like the Mission Holders disaster.
 

Karen#1

Well-known member
Michael ~~
In your pursuit for TRUTH you sometimes get into LIES and FICTION because you are a "Know Best"
You often post that *ONLY* YOU know the TRUTH which is absurd and ridiculous.
Your post implies that everyone else is deluded/deceived/stupid/gullible.
You have no EVIDENCE on what you speak only OPINION.
Of course you are free to believe your own codswallop.
You do not know who is leaking to Aaron Smith-Levin.
As head of the Aftermath Foundation which is helping people leave the Sea Org he is privy to
a lot of information.
Having knocked on 2000 doors in Clearwater, he is further very well educated on facts you know nothing about.
Wake up to the fact and be humble enough to post as your GUESS rather than FACT.
Your "facts" are laughable to say the least
 
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onceuponatime

Well-known member
Sure, but the claim is that OT VIII "whales" are organizing a mutiny against D.M. amongst the parents of Sea Org members. This is what I find absurd. Even more so that somebody with knowledge of it would leak that information for public broadcast to dedicated enemies of Scientology.

D.M. would have learned of it almost instantly, blown several mental gaskets, and started an extremely heavy-handed "investigation". So, whether this report is true or not, we can expect D.M. to begin unjustly tearing up parents of Sea Org members and pulling in OT VIII "whales" for sec checking (at their own expense) to determine whether they are organizers of this mutiny. If D.M. does the only thing he knows how to do, he ends up with a great many ARC-Broken "whales" with enough money between them to do God-only-knows-what to him.

So, perhaps an alternative assessment is that this is a clever PR operation originated from the anti-Scientology critic camp with the purpose of inciting another all-out revolt like the Mission Holders disaster.
What is unbelievable about OT 8 whales being rabidly against vaccines, to the point where they are trying to organize a protest against the policy to vaccinate all SO members? I think it's likely that some of the OT 8 whales are so against vaccines that they'd even be willing to protest to DM. How many of them are involved, that I don't know. But do I think a few of the OT 8 whales are against vaccines to the point they'd be willing to go against DM? absolutely.

The point about it being leaked is also extremely believable. If they are calling other SO parents to get support, well I'm sure more than one or two of them are UTR and pass info along.

I'm not sure what DM's response has been or will be. A lot will depend on who exactly is involved. They really cannot afford to alienate anymore of the whales. Remember, in current Scientology money solves all problems. Do something bad? make a big dono and you're back in the good graces. I don't know how quickly and how hard they will come down on the public involved, I'm sure they'll do something, but it will depend on who is involved and to what extent.
 

Reyne Mayer

Pansexual Revolutionary
The point of C of S OSA having an operative act as an "insider" informant would be to trick enemies into publishing false information which could be readily identified as such by C of S members and staff, thus discrediting them as sources of true information.
that seems absurdly complex, including being fraught with potential problems like members getting upset over a hot button issue before somehow receiving the correction. plus it also leave scientology looking even more hypocritical and run according to double standards, to the world at large -- who would take away mostly that first impression, and not the later internal correction.

what occurs to me is that if the CoS wanted to do something like that, it could be much better done with a less radioactive issue like say Clearwater development plans.

hopefully before long we'll get enough good information to have a clearer idea of what is going on one way or another.
 

Karakorum

Well-known member
Scientology's decades old tinfoilhattery is coming back to bite Davey in the butt.

This is amazingly hilarious.


Also, I'm incredibly glad I'm not inside. I can only imagine the mayhem and amount of work this must be causing for the ethics people.
 

HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
Michael ~~
In your pursuit for TRUTH you sometimes get into LIES and FICTION because you are a "Know Best"
You often post that *ONLY* YOU know the TRUTH which is absurd and ridiculous.
You post implies that everyone else is deluded/deceived/stupid/gullible.
You have no EVIDENCE on what you speak only OPINION.
Of course you are free to believe your own codswallop.
You do not know who is leaking to Aaron Smith-Levin.
As head of the Aftermath Foundation which is helping people leave the Sea Org he is privy to
a lot of information.
Having knocked on 2000 doors in Clearwater, he is further very well educated on facts you know nothing about.
Wake up to the fact and be humble enough to post as your GUESS rather than FACT.
Your "facts" are laughable to say the least

I don't mean to "pile-on" but Sneakster himself stated on a post years earlier that he is "...only on ESMB in order to handle people who are overrestimulated from the presence of OSA sockpuppets".

Do you feel handled? LOL

Typically, I give Sneakster the opportunity every year (for a decade) to answer whether he has changed his mind or still believes that wacky woo. He refuses to answer any questions about it. He refuses to name who the overrestimulated people on ESMB are. And he refuses to identify who the OSA sockpuppets are. Seems he has a lot of problems when it comes to offering up any evidence at his witch trials. He won't even name whom he is prosecuting---so it must be some really advanced and restimulative data indeed! Okay, let's watch now as he ignores the question again. . .


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HelluvaHoax!

Well-known member
.

Also, I'm incredibly glad I'm not inside. I can only imagine the mayhem and amount of work this must be causing for the ethics people.

You needn't worry about the "ethics people" in Scientology. The only reason they chronically have so many problems is because they are far and away the most unethical people in the cult.

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He-man

Hero extraordinary
I'm really surprised that Darth Midget is mandating that all SO members get vaxxed. Every still-in I know is militantly anti-vaxx. And I'd say that if Hubbard where alive he himself would not do this. For one thing, he would not want to help enrich the very same companies who make a variety of psych drugs.

Also, most Scilons I know do NOT consent to their children getting all of the myriad of shots before the age of 2 or 3, and even later. I don't know enough anymore for this to have scientific poll results. But I bet well over 50 percent of them are anti-vaxx. All vaxxes. Not just Covid.
I agree, it seems strange to me that the Miscabbage wouldn't cater to one of the most common denominations among the people who goes into Scientology.

Every Scientologist I've ever known has been:
Anti "psychs" and anti medicines.

What happened with the idea that 80% of all sickness is due to psychosomatic causes? :confused:
 

Karen#1

Well-known member
David Miscavige has very damaged lungs.
Avid smoker for some 40 years.
When a case with such lungs and such smoking history gets COVID their life is on the line.
He might well be self protecting from Sea Org members.
He has the power.
His word is LAW.
He orders it, it gets done.
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He-man

Hero extraordinary
David Miscavige has very damaged lungs.
Avid smoker for some 40 years.
When a case with such lungs and such smoking history gets COVID their life is on the line.
He might well be self protecting from Sea Org members.
He has the power.
His word is LAW.
He order it, it gets done.
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That sure is one possibility I hadn't considered.
 

Dan

Well-known member
Except that the COVID vaxxes do not even hinder transmission. They are treatments, not true blue vaccinations. If he's so worried all he needs to do is get a jab himself. Or, take one of the other even more effective preventative treatments.

Hell, he might as well get some cannabis. I've read some research that THC does an outstanding job of preventing COVID infection.

Get HIGH Slappy! Lol.....

Oh, btw the way, it appears that ingesting THC is the better method for this. Not smoking it.
 
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He-man

Hero extraordinary
Except that the COVID vaxxes do not even hinder transmission. They are treatments, not true blue vaccinations. If he's so worried all he needs to do is get a jab himself. Or, take one of the other even more effective preventative treatments.

Hell, he might as well get some cannabis. I've read some research that THC does an outstanding job of preventing COVID infection.

Get HIGH Slappy! Lol.....

Oh, btw the way, it appears that injecting THC is the better method for this. Not smoking it.
I think Slappy Miscabbage should quit smoking and educate himself to the largest degree possible and to get medical advice from credible sources. It is never too late to change.

Lung cancer and other lung diseases are not a nice way to go.
 

TheSneakster

Well-known member
I don't mean to "pile-on" but Sneakster himself stated on a post years earlier that he is "...only on ESMB in order to handle people who are overrestimulated from the presence of OSA sockpuppets".
Disagreeing with me is perfectly fine. Disliking what I have to say is perfectly fine.

Falsely attributing statements to me, as you have been doing repeatedly for a bit over a decade is deceitful lying and not fine at all.

Your alleged quotation is an egregious lie. Completely aside from the fact that what I actually wrote was posted to Mark Rathbun's" blog and not here, you have never once linked to the original, since that would instantly expose your deception, Hoaxer.

On August 12, 2011 Mark Rathbun posted and article titled Ground Zero For The Future of Scientology. In the comments section, a number of persons were bashing ESMB and I took exception to this.

Somebody named Sherb posted the following comment:

Sherb said:
ESMB = Ex Scientologist’s Motivatoring Board. I use to think they weren’t too bad after they first started up – they had so many high tech terminals giving amazing insight to many areas both good and bad regarding Scientology but now the majority of posts are stuck in the opp term. Such a shame as they now mostly view the tech as dark and insidious thing.
Not a recommended place if you like ARC and hope.
My reply (full text below) expressed strong disapproval of the name-calling. After that I offered a defense of the ESMB membership behavior as - according to my clearly labeled opinion (not a claim of fact) at that time - being manipulated using "black scientology" techniques by OSA personnel for purposes of sowing chaos amongst David "Darth Midget" Miscavige's enemies.

Careful reading of what I actually wrote (below) should make it clear that I never said I was here in ESMB to "handle" anybody. It actually says that I intended to interfere with the activities of the OSA minions. I wrote that statement knowing that OSA International Internet Investigations Unit monitored Marty's blog (and ESMB) and it was intended as a middle finger to them showing that their activities were less covert than they might wish. It also nowhere says that my intention to interfere with OSA operations is the only reason I am here.

You have repeatedly harassed me demanding to know whom I suspected of being the OSA minions. The only way I could possibly ever prove whether any given posting identity is an OSA sock would be if I myself were OSA INT Internet Invest crew at with access to the appropriate files. Therefore, not being able to prove it, I have refused to name any particular posting identities as such and will continue to do so.

Besides that, making wild-eyed "You Is OSA!!" accusations was a quick trip to a temporary or permanent ban over on ESMB. I'm pretty sure that would have similar results here. Yet you keep making that demand knowing this perfectly well, I reckon.

So, liar, you owe me a big fat apology and a promise to discontinue your lying on this particular subject. Since I very much doubt either of those things are ever going to happen, I can always make this comment into its own new thread and link to it every single time you repeat the lie.

Michael Hobson said:
Sherb:

I don’t at all appreciate this sort of divisive factional name-calling between the boards. I post over on ESMB occasionally in some (perhaps foolish) effort to keep the OSA minions from keeping the people there continually restimulated.

Right now, in present time, there are OSA socks running Black Scientology on those guys to keep them stirred up against anyone who might be a threat to McSavage. At least that is my opinion.

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist
 
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