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[HelluvaHoax!]

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Bluebird? I copy the definition in case you don't get the sense used.
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1. An act committed in violation of law where the consequence of conviction by a court is punishment, especially where the punishment is a serious one such as imprisonment.
2. Unlawful activity: statistics relating to violent crime.
3. A serious offense, especially one in violation of morality.
4. An unjust, senseless, or disgraceful act or condition: It's a crime to waste all that paper.

[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin crīmen; see krei- in Indo-European roots.]

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Thanks, that definition was very helpful. But it made me wonder about a question that COS Scientologists were never able to answer to my satisfaction.

During the 1950s - 1970s the number 2 OT on this planet was Mary Sue Hubbard. Ron was her personal C/S and Auditor for the entire Bridge.

However, after Ron delivered all that 100% standard tech to Mary Sue, she nonetheless became a criminal and was indicted, tried, convicted, sentenced and served time in a Federal Penitentiary.

I haven't done the full Data Series Evaluator's Course, but it seems like it might be an outpoint for a full OT to go full effect and then fully have to go to prison. Is there any LRH policy or tech that would advise OT's to commit crimes like that?

I have a suspicion that perhaps Marty Sue went into the prison system on her own determinism at full cause, in order to research criminality and then work with Ron to create new rehabilitation technology for beings who commit felonies.

Any advice?

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[Lee #28]

How much you get charged for getting through that depends a bit on if you have the badges.

"We don't need no stinking badges....!"

Pretty famous movie line

 

[freethinker]

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Thanks, that definition was very helpful. But it made me wonder about a question that COS Scientologists were never able to answer to my satisfaction.

During the 1950s - 1970s the number 2 OT on this planet was Mary Sue Hubbard. Ron was her personal C/S and Auditor for the entire Bridge.

However, after Ron delivered all that 100% standard tech to Mary Sue, she nonetheless became a criminal and was indicted, tried, sentence and served time in a Federal Penitentiary.

I haven't done the full Data Series Evaluator's Course, but it seems like it might be an outpoint for a full OT to go full effect and then fully have to go to prison. Is there any LRH policies or tech that would advise OT's to commit crimes like that?

I have a suspicion that perhaps Marty Sue went into the prison system on her own determinism at full cause, in order to research criminality and then work with Ron to create new rehabilitation technology for beings who commit felonies.

Any advice?

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Similar Items Are Not The Same Or The Same Class Of Thing. Henceforth, E=MC Squared.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Similar Items Are Not The Same Or The Same Class Of Thing.
Henceforth, E=MC Squared.

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Yes, E=MC squared!

Emeter = Money x Cultmembers squared
(i.e. for each 1 Scientologist, 2 e-meters are required to be purchased)

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[freethinker]

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Yes, E=MC squared!

Emeter = Money x Cultmembers squared
(i.e. for each 1 Scientologist, 2 e-meters get sold)

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Now there you go upping my up.

 

[freethinker]

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I think to be on the safe side you should go down there with Pesos.

Do you happen to know how much they charge to get thru the Muro De Fuego? [translation tool]

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If you say Joe Biden sent you, it's free.

 

[freethinker]

I guess that poor fella just found out about Ron. What a shock that must be to an OT to find out That Ron's last event was a complete lie and he won't be back as a politician but instead will be a woman named Greta Thunberg who is a bit PO'd that the planet isn't cleared yet.

 

[NotsoNutsoNow]

We allow anyone who wants to improve conditions in life and go up The Bridge. Any condition can be handled and the person can continue the Bridge to go full OT. However, we don't allow criminals or people who is on criminal activities.

Okay, El Con back to Target Two they don't accept criminals.

 

[Chuck J.]

If you say Joe Biden sent you, it's free.

Sleepy Joe is eff-ing up my $ to peso exchange rate! It's down to about 19.3

 

[Veda]

Isn't it reasonable to expect more information about the Galactic Grand Council, and its authorization of Ron's Orgs, before handing over one's mind for processing?


I guess not.

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...the Galactic Grand Council is just the Council...

 

[Sol]

Apparently you don't know much about Ron. L Ron Hubbard's last known home was a Bluebird Motor Home. Yes, there is such a thing. This is where Ron had a psychotic break and received shots of Vistaril in his butt. It's in his autopsy report which can be found quite easily online.

See, Ron did not purposefully drop his body to go do further research, he died of unnatural causes. Suspects attended his autopsy and funeral.

Is that the officially adopted definition of the Independent Church? I need to know so I'm not being thrown a curveball.

A crime involves injury or damage or both. There must be a victim. An organization cannot be a victim as it is a thing and not living. It can suffer no loss, it can feel no pain, it cannot be killed, as it was never alive.

Oh! I get that you think that person was Ron. I don't believe so. Re your theory of the autopsy it wasn't confirmed and the body was burnt before 24hs have passed.

And criminal is criminal. It is a clear definition. We don't use any specific one just per the dictionary.

 

[freethinker]

Oh! I get that you think that person was Ron. I don't believe so. Re your theory of the autopsy it wasn't confirmed and the body was burnt before 24hs have passed.

And criminal is criminal. It is a clear definition. We don't use any specific one just per the dictionary.

That person was Ron. Different Dictionaries and different laws have different definitions of criminal. There is a thing called choice of law, you should look it up.

 

[TheSneakster]

Apparently you don't know much about Ron. L Ron Hubbard's last known home was a Bluebird [sic] Motor Home.

Actually, it was a 40' Blue Bird Wanderlodge which was a high-end motor home, each one of which was custom built. Have a look at the top photo in the Wikipedia article for a contemporary example.

Said motor home was parked on Hubbard's 160 acre horse ranch in Creston, CA with a good-sized ranch house, bunkhouse, stables, horses and other animals (at the time), a big pond and a race track. Tony Ortega posted an article Sep 21, 2016 with information from Steve "Sarge"Pfauth and Sinar Parman (both of whom lived on that ranch) and a drone flyover video.

I'm posting this to counter the false narrative some of Hubbard's enemies promulgate about his living conditions at the time he passed away.

 

[Harold#1]

Actually, it was a 40' Bluebird Wanderlodge which was a high-end motor home, each one of which was custom built. Have a look at the top photo in the Wikipedia article for a contemporary example.

Said motor home was parked on Hubbard's 160 acre horse ranch in Creston, CA with a good-sized ranch house, bunkhouse, stables, horses and other animals (at the time), a big pond and a race track. Tony Ortega posted an article Sep 21, 2016 with information from Steve "Sarge"Pfauth and Sinar Parman (both of whom lived on that ranch) and a drone flyover video.

I'm posting this to counter the false narrative some of Hubbard's enemies promulgate about his living conditions at the time he passed away.

Thank you, and he was helping the local economy by spending millions constantly remodeling the ranch.

 

[Bill]

Oh! I get that you think that person was Ron. I don't believe so. Re your theory of the autopsy it wasn't confirmed and the body was burnt before 24hs have passed.

And criminal is criminal. It is a clear definition. We don't use any specific one just per the dictionary.

Proving, once again, that the only thing Scientology produces, consistently, is excuses, justifications and equivocations. Why no miraculous results as promised by Hubbard? "Oh, they are not circus performers!" Why did Hubbard admit he failed and tried to kill himself? "Oh, that wasn't the real Hubbard!"

If you guys could actually produce the miracles you promise, you wouldn't need all your excuses, justifications and equivocations. Did you ever think if that?

I'm sure you have a good justification for why you can't admit you can't produce what you promise.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Isn't it reasonable to expect more information about the Galactic Grand Council, and its authorization of Ron's Orgs, before handing over one's mind for processing?
I guess not.

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You bring up an excellent point!

There is a technical reason that a being need not concern themselves with what Scientologists tell you to do. Aside from the fact that COS, Indie & Ron's Org staff members are obviously going to be high toned (and therefore ethical!) there is another reason that one should have complete faith in everything they say.


Naturally, I refer to the Hubbard Chart of Attitudes. In particular COLUMN 9, "FAITH".

Kindly note that people around 20 on the tone scale have attained this amazing theta and causative and knowing attitude:

"I trust on all dynamics and act that way."
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I don't want to invalidate anyone, but cynically low-toned beings who DOUBT and QUESTION and ask NOSY QUESTIONS and demand to see PROOF---well, they are just dramatizing.

Due Diligence is nothing more than DevT and Human Emotion & Reaction.

Do try to rise above all that think-think-think paranoia that is triggering all that incessant QUESTIONING of people who are trying to help you go full OT. When you feel that nagging reactive impulse to ask another question about the results or prices of the grade chart levels--well just think quietly and keep repeating to yourself: "I trust on all dynamics and act that way. Ron and all Scientologists are on my dynamics so I trust them!"

 

[TheSneakster]

Regarding Hubbard at Creston Ranch:

Thank you, and he was helping the local economy by spending millions constantly remodeling the ranch.

That's a false report. Steve "Sarge" Pfauth, who was Hubbard's caretaker, security guard and personal errand runner stated that Ron Hubbard was extremely frugal at all times. There is a series of articles by Sarge on Mark "Marty" Rathbun's blog. Hubbard's first day at Creston is a good starting point.

 

[Veda]

Oh! I get that you think that person was Ron. I don't believe so. Re your theory of the autopsy it wasn't confirmed and the body was burnt before 24hs have passed.

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Ron's Orgs Commanding Officer, Max Hauri, tells his followers that Hubbard was replaced with a doppelganger in 1973. It was such as perfect look-and-sound-alike that even his wife and children didn't notice.

Add to this that Ron's Orgs believes that Astar Paramegjian and Elron Elray have adjoining cabins on the Main-ship (mother-ship) in outer space, where they have doll bodies, and that there are currently 200,000 evil extraterrestrials (Marcabians) currently on Earth.

Bill Robertson, a.k.a. Astar Paramegjian, the person who wrote the Ron's Orgs OT levels, after OT 3, died at age 54 of throat cancer. How do you explain that, Sol?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Don't you wonder why your "full OTs" don't help Scientology by demonstrating what Scientology can produce? Obviously, just ONE "full OT" demonstrating ANY "OT power" would immediately boom Scientology. That's obvious.

You cannot admit the truth.

To be fair, isn't there an LRH reference on not showing OT powers in (I think) "A HISTORY OF MAN". I believe Dr. Hubbard is trying to help all of us on this planet by not attracting attention of hostile intergalactic forces.

“...it’s a terrible temptation to knock off hats at 50 yards and read books a couple of countries away. ​

Don’t get spectacular until a few of the boys make it. You don’t want to be lonesome — and you’ll ​

need reinforcements if a war gets declared on thetans here . . . Let’s not go upsetting governments​

and putting on a show to prove anything to homo sapiens for a while.”​

Please clear all the words, use your demo kit and be thankful that we are trying to help a few of the boys make it. If you knock off all the natter and behave well, you might be amongst those who make it when the alien invaders land on this slave planet!

I beg you for your own sake, just do what you are told and later you can thank us for giving you back your eternity!

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[Harold#1]

Regarding Hubbard at Creston Ranch:



That's a false report. Steve "Sarge" Pfauth, who was Hubbard's caretaker, security guard and personal errand runner stated that Ron Hubbard was extremely frugal at all times. There is a series of articles by Sarge on Mark "Marty" Rathbun's blog. Hubbard's first day at Creston is a good starting point.

Do you know why he stayed in his Blue Bird Wanderlodge instead of his ranch house?