Sex in sci

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Quote: "Scientologist don't have sex for pleasure". Is that true? Just read it somewhere...

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That is not actually based on HCO POLICY, however it is based on truth.

REASON: Pleasure is not really feasible with all those jabbing sharp edges from having demo kit pieces scattered over the bed. This was necessary in order to pass the star-rate checkouts before beginning practical. Or, in the case of dating someone from HCO, it was painful rolling around with all those clipboards---which had to be kept handy in order to pause often and mark the stats on your graph.

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[Karakorum]

Surely not Lee!

Come on, you know they only talk about apple pie recipes and what a sweet little kitty kitten they saw this morning.

Hey I take offense. I would like to indicate that I indeed like to talk about the sweet little kitty kitten! How is that an overt?!

 

[stratty]

Welcome to the club. There's an ex-SO person (no not gonna name&shame but let me just say it was not Dart) that has a video interview on youtube where he/she talks about pretty much his/her whole life in scientology. I found that interview interesting, right to the point when, along with some other people, I get mentioned by name and surname with some false story attached to it.

What Dart said about me wasn't necessarily derogatory or vengeful, it was just plain untrue, that's all.

 

[Karakorum]

What Dart said about me wasn't necessarily derogatory or vengeful, it was just plain untrue, that's all.

Well, I do not want to give much details not to out that person, in my case it was mentioning me being a part of this really bad situation where supposedly nobody reacted, including me. I have no idea if the incident was true, or was it made up entirely to make the account more dramatic. But in reality I was never a part of such an event.

Having said that, both my "accountable unit" and your Dart were on the RPF. So perhaps they both have complex PTSD. That might not justify them, but could explain the behavior.

 

[Karen#1]

It cost public on OT 7 six month sec checks $3000 to get off and handle one single masturbation (a crime in the SCN Cult) in Sec Check at Flag Service Org.

 

[Karakorum]

It cost public on OT 7 six month sec checks $3000 to get off and handle one single masturbation (a crime in the SCN Cult) in Sec Check at Flag Service Org.

Yep and on the other extreme end of the spectrum you had two influential public scientologists cheating on their spouses for over a year with one another and walking away scott-free, because the EO wanted to avoid controversy and rocking the boat.

Scientology's justice system is designed to be arbitrary. It is like a plane with a badly adjusted vertical stabilizer - to make it fly straight and true, you need to keep your hands firmly on the controls and constantly correct one way or the other.

 

[The_Fixer]

What a topic!

Lots to disagree and agree with here!

I'm on a Tommy Davis kick today.....so will start with that.

Nazanin Boniadi .....it was written about at some point that Tommy Davis had discussed with her that she needed to be more sexually aggressive in bed with Tom Cruise.

So....taking that above as a starting point...that leads to lots of questions!

I guess first of all...what did she think of Tommy Davis knowing about the sexual activities of her and Tom Cruise?

How did Tommy Davis know? Isn't that a bit weird? Even perverted....

Did Tom Cruise discuss this with David Miscavage first....and David sent the Cult's hatchet man Tommy to set Boniadi straight about how she was to act sexually in bed with Tom Cruise?

I guess Cruise was never satisfied with their sex life...as Boniadi ended up cleaning toilets at Celebrity Center with a toothbrush....

So many questions!

Haven't I read that David Miscavage would read about John Travolta's sexual acts with Marty Rathbun....late into the night and laugh about them over a glass of Scotch. Were they discussing Kelly Preston's sexual prowess or Travolta's homosexual picadillos....?

And back to Tommy Davis. Mariah Carey was engaged to wed Scientology whale, James Packer.....but the wedding was broken off because Tommy Davis told Packer that he couldn't spend $250,000 on Mariah's wedding dress......

Scientology and David Miscavage sure do like to get involved in other people's sex lives!! Is that part of Scientology?

David Miscavage is soooo romantic. Isn't he the one that had dozens of Sea Org Slaves plow of a field at Int Base and plant wheat...or flowers or some such so Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman could run through it....?

So sad.....now Kidman is declared by Scientoloty as an SP.

Kidman is too much of a lady to discuss such things.....but was she too driven off by Tommy Davis trying to get involved in Cruise and Kidman's bedroom activities?

And talking about David Miscavage......didn't he banish his wife. She hasn't been seen since 2006.

So....are you telling me that David Miscavage has not had sex in 14 years?

Are we sure that no one is sneaking into his bed at night? Some bit of Crumpet....or perhaps a Chippy....?

And to finish off..... last year....Tommy Davis has stepped up in Hollywood too. Tommy divorced his wife.....and married a Hollywood Starlet himself.

Why not....Hollywood Starlets are prime bedroom material.....

Maybe she had to wear the strap on for Tom to fulfill his fantasies? Big arsehole gets a big arsehole....

Miscavige and Rathbun probably had many wet dreams over those files, lol.

Tommy Davis probably paid to watch them.

Miscavige has been banging that Henley-Smith girl (Kiwi chick) for years. Why do you think Shelly was moved out of the way?

 

[Enthetan]

Scientology's justice system is designed to be arbitrary.

The justice system is designed to do what LRH intended -- to "get the stats up".

For low level Scientologists, it is designed to get every "overt", to get them to do amends projects which help the Org, or spend time in session (for which they paid large amounts of money to the Org).

For celebrities, it is designed to keep distractions off their lines, so they can promote Scientology.

All those years working Justice lines, and you still think there was ever an intent to actually use it to HELP the average Scientologist get better in life?

 

[Karakorum]

The justice system is designed to do what LRH intended -- to "get the stats up".

Sometimes it does that.

But a lot of this sex stuff is either irrelevant for stats or it actually brings stats down. If you have a dedicated and productive SO member let's say at Golden Era Productions that does audio edits... will it help stats if he gets taken off the lines and sent to ethics because he admitted to having sexual fantasies about a girl from the video team?

All those years working Justice lines, and you still think there was ever an intent to actually use it to HELP the average Scientologist get better in life?

I've seen all sorts of stuff. Some was actually to punish or remove people who really did deserve that - the classic examples of people using their post to sexually harass subordinates. But in a lot of cases it was just irrelevant or a pure "scare&control" mechanism.

In some cases it even functioned as a mechanism to control ethics officers. Having to interrogate a woman old enough to be your mom about the gritty details of anal sex she had in the 1970s... that sort of stuff messes with your head.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

In some cases it even functioned as a mechanism to control ethics officers. Having to interrogate a woman old enough to be your mom about the gritty details of anal sex she had in the 1970s... that sort of stuff messes with your head.

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Is there an actual HCOPL or "LRH ADVICE" on anal sex? LOL! Since karakorum is afraid to read my posts, maybe someone else can answer. I am very curious if there is even one short sentence about that in all of Scientology's 10M words.

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[Veda]

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One thing he did say about our RPF was that we were held in awe by most of the regular staff and they got out of our way if they saw us coming. That bit was true anyway.

Awe?

Would you say that being assigned to the RPF was a promotion or a demotion?

The terms "salvageable psychotics," "Degraded Beings," and "down stats" have been used to describe those on the RPF. What Ethics condition were you assigned while on the RPF?

Is it true that RPFers have to run wherever they go? and address others as "sir"?

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

Yep and on the other extreme end of the spectrum you had two influential public scientologists cheating on their spouses for over a year with one another and walking away scott-free, because the EO wanted to avoid controversy and rocking the boat.

Scientology's justice system is designed to be arbitrary. It is like a plane with a badly adjusted vertical stabilizer - to make it fly straight and true, you need to keep your hands firmly on the controls and constantly correct one way or the other.

Yes and once again, in Astra's testimony, you see the failure (or refusal) of the CofS to acknowledge either age or the different stages in life, not to mention genders. It probably didn't even occur to the org that there was anything amiss in having a 15 year old girl, who would have been still learning about her own emergent sexuality, talk to a 40 year old man about masturbation.

 

[Karakorum]

Yeah and once again, in Astra's testimony, you see the failure (or refusal) of the CofS to acknowledge either age or the different stages in life, not to mention genders. It probably didn't even occur to the org that there was anything amiss in having a 15 year old girl, who would have been still learning about her own emergent sexuality, talk to a 40 year old man about masturbation.

I've been in the exact same sort of situations. Being a teen with little to none family or sex experience and having to deal with grown-ass men and women who are having sex issues while being married for the 5th time.
Been there, done that.

 

[stratty]

Awe?

Would you say that being assigned to the RPF was a promotion or a demotion?

The terms "salvageable psychotics," "Degraded Beings," and "down stats" have been used to describe those on the RPF. What Ethics condition were you assigned while on the RPF?

Is it true that RPFers have to run wherever they go? and address others as "sir"?

I said the RPF I was on was like nothing I've read about here. The RPF I was on was one of the very first to be instigated and I guess the corrosive elements of it were yet to be fully utilised.

If you read Dart's posts about it you'll see that we were highly regarded as being an extremely efficient team, and people treated us with a lot of respect. As I've said repeatedly, a lot has changed since then.

Do you expect me to say that being assigned to the RPF was a promotion for fuck's sake? I was assigned a low condition, but in truth the reason I was stuck on the RPF was merely out of spite by someone higher up the pecking order than me at the time.

I can't remember whether we had to run everywhere, maybe we did, perhaps LLLL can remember. I wouldn't have minded that at all, I was young and fit at the time. We weren't allowed to initiate a conversation with anyone not on the RPF - the 'sir' bit I don't recall.

In all honesty I rather enjoyed it, all the stress of the 2pm Thursday deadline was taken away and we all got on with each other really well, and since I was back in circulation in about nine months it wasn't too bad.

I left scientology for good a few days later, so that shows how rehabilitated I was.

I hope that answers your questions.

 

[Enthetan]

I've been in the exact same sort of situations. Being a teen with little to none family or sex experience and having to deal with grown-ass men and women who are having sex issues while being married for the 5th time.
Been there, done that.

As you (and others) have noted, with the increasing number of criteria for HCO, finally the only people who weren't "out-qual" for HCO, were those who hadn't had much life-experience yet.

 

[Veda]

I said the RPF I was on was like nothing I've read about here. The RPF I was on was one of the very first to be instigated and I guess the corrosive elements of it were yet to be fully utilised.

If you read Dart's posts about it you'll see that we were highly regarded as being an extremely efficient team, and people treated us with a lot of respect. As I've said repeatedly, a lot has changed since then.

Do you expect me to say that being assigned to the RPF was a promotion for fuck's sake? I was assigned a low condition, but in truth the reason I was stuck on the RPF was merely out of spite by someone higher up the pecking order than me at the time.

I can't remember whether we had to run everywhere, maybe we did, perhaps LLLL can remember. I wouldn't have minded that at all, I was young and fit at the time. We weren't allowed to initiate a conversation with anyone not on the RPF - the 'sir' bit I don't recall.

In all honesty I rather enjoyed it, all the stress of the 2pm Thursday deadline was taken away and we all got on with each other really well, and since I was back in circulation in about nine months it wasn't too bad.

I left scientology for good a few days later, so that shows how rehabilitated I was.

I hope that answers your questions.

Kind of like being on a chain gang, and then assigned to being the warden's personal orderly. It would probably seem enjoyable after a fashion.

"The Rehabilitation Project Force was brought into being in Div 4 FSO. To it are assigned: (1) R/Sers ( 2) low OCA non producers (3) repeated stat crashers (4) overt product makers... (FO 3434)"

 

[stratty]

Kind of like being on a chain gang, and then assigned to being the warden's personal orderly. It would probably seem enjoyable after a fashion.

"The Rehabilitation Project Force was brought into being in Div 4 FSO. To it are assigned: (1) R/Sers ( 2) low OCA non producers (3) repeated stat crashers (4) overt product makers... (FO 3434)"

I enjoyed it. To me it felt like goofing off. We did mest work during the day - stuff like tidying up the place or fixing potholes in the driveway (there's a lot of driveway at Saint Hill). In the evening we audited each other. I was a bit of a tech zealot in those days so I c/sed the folders and did a lot of auditing.

I also rose to the position of RPF Bosun (the big cheese) so I had first go at whatever tasty morsels were on offer when it came to the food and basically enjoyed telling other people what to do. LOL.

There were a few downsides. For instance we had to endure Dart playing Bowie's 'Diamond Dogs' on his ghetto blaster constantly from morning 'till night, but apart from that, life was good. Well, it was for me anyway. We lived in the boathouse at Stonelands and I'd wake up in the morning buried under a pile of cushions and stuff the others used to throw at me because I used to grind my teeth in the night.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

As you (and others) have noted, with the increasing number of criteria for HCO, finally the only people who weren't "out-qual" for HCO, were those who hadn't had much life-experience yet.

Nailed it!

It is no coincidence that cult leaders favor the grooming of children in order to breed unquestioning obedience & purity of fanaticism.

Hitler had his "HITLER YOUTH".

watch the first 100 seconds. . .

"We suddenly felt differently than before.
We had a mission and we felt important"
- Hitler Youth



Hubbard had his "HUBBARD YOUTH"

link to testimonial by Christi Gordon on indoctrinating young Sea Org soldiers


"At any rate, back to the Cadet Org…This is where children become militant, wear a uniform,
are assigned a post and given a title and rank. You are no longer called by your name but
are called Sir or Mr even if you’re female; You learn how to give and take orders, how to
muster, salute, and applaud LRH’s picture. You drill ”Chinese school” style (chant) the
Organization Board and Sea Org motto’s, “Production is the basis of Morale!” etc..you
learn how to clean, make a bed, wash windows per policy, and spend a huge amount
of time learning to snitch by writing knowledge reports to inform on others in the group
who are goofing off or off purpose, under-performing, nattering or third partying…This
may include your own parents if they don’t behave optimally or aren’t “winning” and only
sharing theta or being upstat (productive) and uptone (happy) with you (or are cranky or ill),
if they say inappropriate things to you (complain about their schedule or why they cant visit
you more often), give you off line orders (try to parent you directly) etc… You learn to report
on everyone and everything around you that is an outpoint or affects production or morale. "
- Hubbard Youth


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[ILove2Lurk]

cowboy's family was in the SO . . . on the ship Apollo, then
cowboy worked at Hubbard's secret La Quinta bolt-hole.

"I spent thousands of hours over many years in daily contact with the man.​

I experienced first hand more than most could even imagine."​

cowboy was roped in early. cowboy was a messenger
for Hubbard as a teen and young man for quite a few years.

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". . . I started working at about 12."​

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"I'm deluged still with thoughts and sorrows and regrets, acceptance of the harm I directly caused others through following orders. Hitler's orders to his staff were not enough to free them from consequences for their War Crimes. I can make excuses, but, in many ways I caused harm. I remember convincing someone to join the SO, to bring her family and young children in, to see her a year later in the RPF, her kids being worked like adults, being haunted by the unspoken accusation in her glance, "Why did you take me and my family away from the world we knew, for this?" her gaze said to me. Whatever happened to her, I wonder. Did she and her children leave, or did I rob them of their childhood like mine was robbed from me?"​

~ excerpt from cowboy's final post on ESMB ~​

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Here's a gift from ESMB. A compiled PDF of all of cowboy's posts. If you haven't
read them, you should. They're the most illuminating insights into Scientology
and Hubbard's later years. All the original members of ESMB rave about them.
So well spoken and poignant.

I'll vouch for cowboy's actuality and authenticity.

ESMB member afaceinthecrowd vouches for cowboy.

The PDF compilation is hosted on MediaFire. I've scanned the PDF with 64 virus scanners at VirusTotal.

PDF cowboy threads

Make sure to read the brief description of the formatting conventions at the top,
so you don't get confused reading through it.

Original thread on ESMB

This is a potent "red pill." Enjoy.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Sometimes one catches a tiny glimpse of just how morbidly dark & toxic Scientology or any totalitarian slave cult really is. Such brief fleeting moments of nano-clarity can actually be rather depressing, creepy, eerie, or even scary. It's far easier to change the subject or think of something else.

Hence, the usefulness and/or popularity of "gallows humor". Such as:

(1944)
Original pilot for CCH 1

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