TOP SUPER-STUPID MOMENTS IN SCIENTOLOGY (PART V)

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Alternate signage that will fit nicely under the holy cross. . .
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SSCOHW!
Scientology Sucks Cult On Hubbard Way

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Readers Note: The above ("SSCOHW") is an homage to the scriptural revelations of L. Ron Hubbard's MESSENGER here on earth, David Miscavige---who frequently texted inspirational messages to church ministers simply consisting of the letters "YSCOHB!" (You Suck Cock On Hollywood Boulevard). No, this is not parody--it's pathos.

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Is there *RELIGIOUS STALKING?*


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The answer to that question is revealed when when religious registrars' phone calls and letters continue to be ignored, forcing them to step up the gradient by taking their soul salvaging ministry (unannounced) directly to the parishioner's home!



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Is there *RELIGIOUS STALKING?*


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The answer to that question is revealed when when religious registrars' phone calls and letters continue to be ignored, forcing them to step up the gradient by taking their soul salvaging ministry (unannounced) directly to the parishioner's home!



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Remember this stalker ?

This video : This girl has been sent in to heckle and harass the use of "copyright and trademarked" Scientology doctrines and the concern that the "Tech" is delivered standardly for *standard* results.
 
Remember this stalker ?

This video : This girl has been sent in to heckle and harass the use of "copyright and trademarked" Scientology doctrines and the concern that the "Tech" is delivered standardly for *standard* results.
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Oddly, yes, I have seen that video a number of times!

I have had to re-look at it annually--just to make sure it really happened. It was that deranged!

Quite aside from the unfathomably sleazy fact that prior to stalking and terrorizing an innocent person, she had actually STUDIED & CLAY DEMO'D & DRILLED on how to shatter, cave in, spin in and utterly destroy SPs---there is yet another twisted paradox. To wit, according to all of Scientology's spiritually standard & sacred scripture, she IS a Suppressive Person.


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Like all things in Scientology, that stalker's "handling" has the complete opposite effect of what was intended.

Amongst other things, that video proves Scientology is not a religion.

Because it is impossible that any religion in history ever did that. . .



STALKER
Hello, I'm here because I am concerned you and your husband are
reading the Bible and saying prayers at home.

CHRISTIAN
Who are you exactly?

STALKER
I am from the United Church of Christ's Love & Understanding, the
church you and your husband used to attend Sunday services at.
Like I say, our church is worried that you are not practicing
Christianity standardly.

CHRISTIAN
We're doing the same thing at home as we used to do in Church,
same Bible, same prayers to the same God.

STALKER
That deeply concerns me. Because if you don't read the Bible
correctly or say the prayers correctly you will not go to heaven.

CHRISTIAN
This is not a problem. We are reading the words
verbatim from the Bible.

STALKER
I got that. But aren't you worried that you are doing something
unethical by not coming to Church on Sundays and letting
our certified ministers help you read the bible and pray
standardly? We are very worried about your ethics.

CHRISTIAN
Well as long as you bring up "ethics', that's why we left
your church. We saw the head minister in Vegas, and
he was a degenerate gambler, a drunk, a drug abuser
and he had sleazy hookers on the side all the time his
wife was back in their hotel room on the phone trying
to raise money for the new church. So, don't talk to
me about "ethics", okay?

STALKER
The head minister never told anyone in our church any of that,
so I don't know anything about that.

CHRISTIAN
Exactly! So why don't you get off my property and go back
to your church and ask him.

STALKER
Don't change the subject, this is about YOUR ethics.

CHRISTIAN
Hey, your priest is a fraud. Why don't you look on the internet
and you can see the criminal indictment that came down
because he used church donations to buy secret luxury
homes and condos in different cities where he partied
with 10,000 dollar a night hookers.

STALKER
I got that. So, you really need to come into church on Sunday.

CHRISTIAN
LOL, really? Seriously? LOL. Why is that?

STALKER
I'm worried that you are not going to heaven. But you can fix that
if you come in and make up the damage for praying at home by
making a substantial cash donation to the church we want to build
in Atlantic City.

CHRISTIAN
There aren't enough casinos, booze, drugs & hookers in Vegas?

STALKER
You've got it all wrong. If our priest is talking to hookers in a hotel room
it must be because he is ministering to them to bring them to Jesus so
they can go to heaven. You want to go to heaven too, don't you?

CHRISTIAN
I'm going to call the police.

STALKER
Okay, I'll leave but only if you buy a package of one dozen of our newly released
pamphlet "THE WAY TO HEAVEN-NESS".

CHRISTIAN
No. And besides I already bought a copy of that years ago.

STALKER
I got that, but like I told you before, you can't read it at home and get
into heaven. You have to read it in our building where we have
holy clay and sacred lie detectors.

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Good one, HH! :laugh: :roflmao:

That was Standard Stalking Tech, straight from Scientology!

So of COURSE the Church of Scientology defends Masterson and other perverts. Why, peeking in windows, entering private property, following others around and stalking is standard tech. It's illegal, of course, and a violation of human rights, but it's all part of KNOWING HOW TO KNOW and being Fabian, of course. Scientology is very proud of its long history of peeking, perving, private property penetration and plagiarizing.

The Peeking L Ron:
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Peaking Miscavige:

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FABIAN! :roflmao:
 
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Because it is impossible that any religion in history ever did that. . .



STALKER
Hello, I'm here because I am concerned you and your husband are
reading the Bible and saying prayers at home.
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Actually, until very recently the Eastern Orthodox church and the Catholic church were very opposed to laymen reading the bible at home. The bible was supposed to be read in public and interpreted in the church. Not read in private and interpreted by ignorant individuals.


To be super clear: I'm NOT claiming the Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox church are cults or high control groups. But I am saying that many sects of Christianity consider it wrong and dangerous for people to conduct religious practices at home when these are deemed to be correctly done only during public events at the church proper.

Sending hecklers to private homes is low. But The claim that "only special people (priests) can perform holy rites in special places (temples) under specific supervision" is pretty widespread among religions and is not in itself become automatically cultish or abusive.
 
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Actually, until very recently the Eastern Orthodox church and the Catholic church were very opposed to laymen reading the bible at home.

That's not true for Catholics. Where in the world did you get that idea? It's just not true. :no:

Catholics have always been encouraged to read the Bible. Eastern Orthodox/Greek Orthodox are very similar.

Catholics have always been at the forefront of education. Since I was a child, nuns asked us to read passages at home and discuss them if we had any questions. My mother similarly read the Bible on her own, so did my grandparents. For the very poor, sometimes a Bible was one of only a few books that were kept in a household, so to practice reading and learn to read, they read the Bible.

Many of the earliest Saints of Catholicism were highly educated and encouraged education and reading the Bible directly. It goes back centuries in Catholicism. Here are some examples:

‘The hearers taught in the Scriptures ought to test what is said by teachers and accept that which agrees with the Scriptures but reject what is foreign.” -Saint Basil the Great, Father and Doctor of the Church, Moralia 72:1

“Therefore let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth.” -Saint Basil the Great, Father and Doctor of the Church, Ep. Ad Eustathius

“How can we prove and certify as true something which Sacred Scripture does not attest?” -Saint Cyril of Alexandria, Father and Doctor of the Church, Glaphyra on Genesis, PG 69,53c

In regard to the divine and holy mysteries of the faith, not the least part may be handed on without the Holy Scriptures. Do not be led astray by winning words and clever arguments. Even to me, who tell you these things, do not give ready belief, unless you receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of the things which I announce. The salvation in which we believe is not proved from clever reasoning, but from the Holy Scriptures.” -Saint Cyril of Jerusalem, Father and Doctor of the Church, Catechetical Lectures 4,17.

‘Therefore I beg you all that you give up what appeals to this one or that one and that you address all these questions concerning these things to the Scriptures.’ -Saint John Chrysostom, Father and Doctor of the Church, Homily 13 on 2 Corinthians

But when Scripture wants to teach us something like that, it interprets itself and does not permit the hearer to err. I therefore beg and entreat that we close our ears to all these things and follow the canon of the Holy Scripture exactly.” -Saint John Chrysostom, Father and Doctor of the Church, Homily 13 on Genesis

“For he knows that Scripture, as a whole, is God’s one perfect and complete instrument, giving forth, to those who wish to learn its one
saving music…” -Origen, In Matt. tom 2


 
That's not true for Catholics. Where in the world did you get that idea? It's just not true. :no:
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I got that from the people around me. I live in an overwhelmingly Catholic country now.

But times are indeed changing, its ok to have a bible at home now, while in the 1960s it was discouraged. However what remains is that the interpretation of the bible should not be something done alone by individuals. The church is seen as a community and that the interpretation should only be done by the community which is led by specialists (priests).
 
I got that from the people around me. I live in an overwhelmingly Catholic country now.

But times are indeed changing, its ok to have a bible at home now, while in the 1960s it was discouraged. However what remains is that the interpretation of the bible should not be something done alone by individuals. The church is seen as a community and that the interpretation should only be done by the community which is led by specialists (priests).

Well that must be something from that particular area, then. The Polish and Mexican branches of Catholicism have always read the Bible directly, and I was raised Catholic and have relatives that are both.

If you don't have a reference or link that the actual Catholic Church (and not an individual Catholic priest) discouraged reading the Bible, I wouldn't generalize it. Too many saints through Catholic history encouraged reading the Bible directly and warned to never take another's word for what it says or what it means. That sure didn't start in the 60s.
 
Actually, until very recently the Eastern Orthodox church and the Catholic church were very opposed to laymen reading the bible at home. The bible was supposed to be read in public and interpreted in the church. Not read in private and interpreted by ignorant individuals.


To be super clear: I'm NOT claiming the Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox church are cults or high control groups. But I am saying that many sects of Christianity consider it wrong and dangerous for people to conduct religious practices at home when these are deemed to be correctly done only during public events at the church proper.

Sending hecklers to private homes is low. But The claim that "only special people (priests) can perform holy rites in special places (temples) under specific supervision" is pretty widespread among religions and is not in itself become automatically cultish or abusive.
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Cool post.

But, I'll bet not even the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Churches sent priests to people's homes with the BAIT of pretending to help them go to heaven--- but then (when the mark calls them out for fair gaming thuggery) immediately SWITCH to legal threats for trademark violations that infringe on the church's royalty and licensing revenues. LOL.

By the way, anybody know what the hell that lying piece of poop does in her JOB in real life when she's not trying to get big wins "enturbulating" innocent victims? I'm trying to guess what she does for work---WTF would someone pay her for?

Okay, since it's free to guess, here's mine:

VIP DOMINATRIX SPECIALIZING IN UPSTAT OT MASOCHISTS
WITH A FETISH FOR CHAIN LOCKER BONDAGE WHILST BEING
PISSED ON FROM BIG BEINGS UPLINES
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( let me know if I won anything )

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Well that must be something from that particular area, then. The Polish and Mexican branches of Catholicism have always read the Bible directly, and I was raised Catholic and have relatives that are both.

If you don't have a reference or link that the actual Catholic Church (and not an individual Catholic priest) discouraged reading the Bible, I wouldn't generalize it. Too many saints through Catholic history encouraged reading the Bible directly and warned to never take another's word for what it says or what it means. That sure didn't start in the 60s.
Well, I get my information from Hungarian and Polish Catholics, so I guess each of us was probably talking to opposing factions within the catholic church.

I've asked one of my catholic friends for any official church documents on this. What he told me is that there was a papal ban on reading the bible in national languages (thus anything other than Latin) until the late XIX century, but this was supposed to refer to non-catholic translations. There was always the possibility of studying the book in Latin, but this limited the reader base to educated people. This changed during the XX century reforms which downgraded latin and accepted national languages.

The one document that he provided me with an online link to is the polish Catholic Catechism, which outlines spiritual practices. The cathechism has sections about liturgy in the church, the sacraments as well as individual prayer and contemplation, but does not mention the study of the bible at all.

His take on it was that while participation in church ceremony, sacraments and individual prayer is obligatory for everyone, while the studying of the bible at home is not seen as a duty of every catholic. So his take on it was: "Its not banned, but its not necessary or vital. Mass and prayer is far more important than reading the bible yourself".

Again, I'm no expert. I'm just repeating what local Catholics tell me.
 
Well, I get my information from Hungarian and Polish Catholics, so I guess each of us was probably talking to opposing factions within the catholic church.

I've asked one of my catholic friends for any official church documents on this. What he told me is that there was a papal ban on reading the bible in national languages (thus anything other than Latin) until the late XIX century, but this was supposed to refer to non-catholic translations. There was always the possibility of studying the book in Latin, but this limited the reader base to educated people. This changed during the XX century reforms which downgraded latin and accepted national languages.

The one document that he provided me with an online link to is the polish Catholic Catechism, which outlines spiritual practices. The cathechism has sections about liturgy in the church, the sacraments as well as individual prayer and contemplation, but does not mention the study of the bible at all.

His take on it was that while participation in church ceremony, sacraments and individual prayer is obligatory for everyone, while the studying of the bible at home is not seen as a duty of every catholic. So his take on it was: "Its not banned, but its not necessary or vital. Mass and prayer is far more important than reading the bible yourself".

Again, I'm no expert. I'm just repeating what local Catholics tell me.

Okay, so as you can see, Catholics were not banned or discouraged from reading the Bible at home. Somehow you seem to have misunderstood your friend.

I went to Catholic schools from grammar school through High School.

Catechism is a different thing. You're getting confused here and have a misunderstanding. In Catholicism, Catechism is about learning the Catholic sacraments to prepare a Catholic to receive them. Sacraments are a Catholic thing. Catechism to your usual Christian means something very different than Catechism to a Catholic. To a Catholic, it has a very special definition, as I just explained. So Catholic Catechism is not about Bible study, it's about Catholic sacrament study. It's a specific kind of study to a Catholic and different from Bible study.

As far as the Latin goes, you also have a misunderstanding of what a Catholic MASS is. Here is a good definition:
The term "Mass" is generally used only in the Roman Rite, while the Byzantine Rite Eastern Catholic Churches use the term "Divine Liturgy" for the celebration of the Eucharist, and other Eastern Catholic Churches have terms such as Holy Qurbana.

For further historical reference, please see:

The Catholic mass, which is the ritual celebrating the Eucharist and receiving communion, was the only part of the Catholic Church service in Latin. It's not that long, about 5 minutes or so. The rest of the church service (a service lasts about an hour) was always in English or whatever the native language until the 60s-70s, when the whole thing was put in English. The Catholic mass has nothing to do with reading the Bible. It's just a Catholic ritual that was traditionally in Latin. The sermon was always in the native language, as were the songs, etc. The Catholic mass isn't particularly about Bible interpretation or anything like that. It's a ritual. Catholics have lots of rituals. :giggle: The sermon is about the Bible and the songs are celebration of God in our lives and that sort of thing.

Greek, not Latin, was the original language of the Bible.

Just because the mass was in Latin is no reason to assume Catholics were ever discouraged from reading the Bible at home. The Catholic version of the Bible is the King James edition and no other editions are considered legitimate. The King James (English) version of the Bible has been available since 1611 and all Catholics were encouraged to own it and study it at home, too. There were other versions before that, though, and other, more simplified versions that have been used since.

Oh, and I should add -It was mandatory for Catholics to learn Latin in Catholic schools up until the 60s or 70s, when it became optional. I took Spanish instead, but a lot of my classmates took Latin.
 
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Okay, so as you can see, Catholics were not banned or discouraged from reading the Bible at home. Somehow you seem to have misunderstood your friend. <snip>

Well, they were banned from individual interpretation and the national language bibles were on the "index of forbidden books" (That's how you call it in english?). But the situation has changed now after Vatican council 2.

But said Catholic person clearly told me that in the 50s and 60s reading the bible at home by laymen was discouraged by the church and that it was difficult to obtain a non-protestant bible to begin with. Her parents wanted to get a bible in the local language and couldn't get a catholic one. They had to ask a friendly priest to get one for them as a favor, but it was an "under-the-table" deal by her own words.

She told me that by the late 60s and early 70s things changed and that it became easier to buy the new testament in the local language and the church was fine with that. But the old testament remained very hard to get and this changed only in the late 80s.

She also stressed to me that that today its even seen as pious to own a bible, but she made it clear that its been a long process to get to this point. But the focus remains on mass and scripture interpretation at the church within church piety groups like Opus Dei or "rebirth in the holy spirit movement" etc. Most regular parishoners do not belong to such groups. So bible study remains a group activity at the church and even that is mostly in piety groups.

That's her take on it, she's a devout Catholic from here.

The Catholic mass, which is the ritual celebrating the Eucharist and receiving communion, was the only part of the Catholic Church service in Latin. It's not that long, about 5 minutes or so. The rest of the church service (a service lasts about an hour) was always in English or whatever the native language until the 60s-70s, when the whole thing was put in English.
The Catholic mass has nothing to do with reading the Bible. It's just a Catholic ritual that was traditionally in Latin. <snip>

That's not what she told me. Maybe here they did it a bit differently, as it was a country with prety much just catholics, greek catholics and eastern orthodox?
What she told me is that the mass in the 50s and early 60s was in Latin. The only parts that were in the national language was preaching (sermon), "parish news", pious songs and reading the bible (evangelion). The way she told me the priests always reads a new passage every week, but that its done in yearly cycles - so that you will hear the same passage next year. These are specifically chosen passages that fit into specific moments of the liturgical year and they don't cover the whole bible.

Greek, not Latin, was the original language of the Bible.<snip>
Wasn't Aramaic the original language of most of the new testament?

Just because the mass was in Latin is no reason to assume Catholics were ever discouraged from reading the Bible at home. The Catholic version of the Bible is the King James edition and no other editions are considered legitimate. The King James (English) version of the Bible has been available since 1611 and all Catholics were encouraged to own it and study it at home, too. There were other versions before that, though, and other, more simplified versions that have been used since.
I don't disagree, but in the countries I'm speaking of (Hungary, Poland) English was not used and wasn't widely taught until the 1990s.

The first Polish bible that was translated directly from hebrew, aramaic and greek originals is the so called "Millenium Bible" that came out in 1965.

Oh, and I should add -It was mandatory for Catholics to learn Latin in Catholic schools up until the 60s or 70s, when it became optional. I took Spanish instead, but a lot of my classmates took Latin.

In both Poland and Hungary, Latin was taught only in selected high schools with "humanistic" profiles. So if you were an average joe and went to a small-town high school or to grad school, you never got latin courses. Also, if you chose an elite high school but one with a medicine, biology, engineering or math profile, you would not learn latin either.
So as a result, only a part of people with high school or higehr eduction would know the language. Even fewer would know it fluently enough to read complex old texts such as the medieval latin bible.
 
Well, they were banned from individual interpretation and the national language bibles were on the "index of forbidden books" (That's how you call it in english?). But the situation has changed now after Vatican council 2.

But said Catholic person clearly told me that in the 50s and 60s reading the bible at home by laymen was discouraged by the church and that it was difficult to obtain a non-protestant bible to begin with. Her parents wanted to get a bible in the local language and couldn't get a catholic one. They had to ask a friendly priest to get one for them as a favor, but it was an "under-the-table" deal by her own words.

She told me that by the late 60s and early 70s things changed and that it became easier to buy the new testament in the local language and the church was fine with that. But the old testament remained very hard to get and this changed only in the late 80s.

She also stressed to me that that today its even seen as pious to own a bible, but she made it clear that its been a long process to get to this point. But the focus remains on mass and scripture interpretation at the church within church piety groups like Opus Dei or "rebirth in the holy spirit movement" etc. Most regular parishoners do not belong to such groups. So bible study remains a group activity at the church and even that is mostly in piety groups.

That's her take on it, she's a devout Catholic from here.



That's not what she told me. Maybe here they did it a bit differently, as it was a country with prety much just catholics, greek catholics and eastern orthodox?
What she told me is that the mass in the 50s and early 60s was in Latin. The only parts that were in the national language was preaching (sermon), "parish news", pious songs and reading the bible (evangelion). The way she told me the priests always reads a new passage every week, but that its done in yearly cycles - so that you will hear the same passage next year. These are specifically chosen passages that fit into specific moments of the liturgical year and they don't cover the whole bible.


Wasn't Aramaic the original language of most of the new testament?


I don't disagree, but in the countries I'm speaking of (Hungary, Poland) English was not used and wasn't widely taught until the 1990s.

The first Polish bible that was translated directly from hebrew, aramaic and greek originals is the so called "Millenium Bible" that came out in 1965.



In both Poland and Hungary, Latin was taught only in selected high schools with "humanistic" profiles. So if you were an average joe and went to a small-town high school or to grad school, you never got latin courses. Also, if you chose an elite high school but one with a medicine, biology, engineering or math profile, you would not learn latin either.
So as a result, only a part of people with high school or higehr eduction would know the language. Even fewer would know it fluently enough to read complex old texts such as the medieval latin bible.

:no: You have some very incorrect information. You really should learn how to look things up with Google. At any rate, this conversation has become too involved and is off-topic, so I am continuing the discussion here:

 
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posted by Karen#1
Is there *RELIGIOUS STALKING?*


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:laugh: :roflmao:
 
This not a shoop.
This is a prank by The Reckless Ben channel
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Today the hilarious site BOING BOING profiled the lasrer prank

"Scientology Sucks" LOLOLOL
 
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