VIDEO: Independent Scientologists protest at Scientology HQ in Los Angeles Tony Ortega Sep 24, 2023

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Victoria Palmer’s organized protest to “restore Scientology” took place yesterday, and we were fortunate that an Underground Bunker reader was there to record the occasion.

We think that as small as this protest was, it was still pretty historic as far as the annals of Scientology go, and we think Palmer was a lot of fun to watch. She’s clearly very sincere about trying to “restore” Scientology to what founder L. Ron Hubbard intended, and we figure it took some real guts to march right down L. Ron Hubbard Way accusing Scientology and its leader, David Miscavige of covering up crimes.

From the very beginning, in the early 1950s, there have always been adherents of L. Ron Hubbard’s “technology” who broke away from his official movement to practice his ideas on their own.

These independent Scientologists, or Freezoners, have come and gone, with an occasional attempt to organize actual brick-and-mortar churches of their own. (There’s the former Haifa mission that thrives there under former Church of Scientology members Dani and Tami Lemberger, for example.)

But we told Victoria Palmer that we don’t recall independent Scientologists attempting what she did: A direct protest of the Church of Scientology and its leader David Miscavige by practicing Freezoners at Scientology’s Los Angeles headquarters, known as ‘Pacific Area Command’ to Scientologists, and ‘Big Blue’ to the public.

“I decided that it was time for us to unite and stand for the truth about Scientology,” she told us.

Conspicuous by their absence were any Scientologists on the street at L. Ron Hubbard Way, which was probably intentional. They were probably kept indoors to make sure they didn’t get exposed to the protest.

But Palmer and her crew gamely pressed on, and we’re interested in your thoughts about how they did.

Victoria Palmer’s organized protest to “restore Scientology” took place yesterday, and we were fortunate that an Underground Bunker reader was there to record the occasion.

We think that as small as this protest was, it was still pretty historic as far as the annals of Scientology go, and we think Palmer was a lot of fun to watch. She’s clearly very sincere about trying to “restore” Scientology to what founder L. Ron Hubbard intended, and we figure it took some real guts to march right down L. Ron Hubbard Way accusing Scientology and its leader, David Miscavige of covering up crimes.

From the very beginning, in the early 1950s, there have always been adherents of L. Ron Hubbard’s “technology” who broke away from his official movement to practice his ideas on their own.

These independent Scientologists, or Freezoners, have come and gone, with an occasional attempt to organize actual brick-and-mortar churches of their own. (There’s the former Haifa mission that thrives there under former Church of Scientology members Dani and Tami Lemberger, for example.)

But we told Victoria Palmer that we don’t recall independent Scientologists attempting what she did: A direct protest of the Church of Scientology and its leader David Miscavige by practicing Freezoners at Scientology’s Los Angeles headquarters, known as ‘Pacific Area Command’ to Scientologists, and ‘Big Blue’ to the public.

“I decided that it was time for us to unite and stand for the truth about Scientology,” she told us.

Conspicuous by their absence were any Scientologists on the street at L. Ron Hubbard Way, which was probably intentional. They were probably kept indoors to make sure they didn’t get exposed to the protest.

But Palmer and her crew gamely pressed on, and we’re interested in your thoughts about how they did.

Victoria Palmer’s organized protest to “restore Scientology” took place yesterday, and we were fortunate that an Underground Bunker reader was there to record the occasion.

We think that as small as this protest was, it was still pretty historic as far as the annals of Scientology go, and we think Palmer was a lot of fun to watch. She’s clearly very sincere about trying to “restore” Scientology to what founder L. Ron Hubbard intended, and we figure it took some real guts to march right down L. Ron Hubbard Way accusing Scientology and its leader, David Miscavige of covering up crimes.

From the very beginning, in the early 1950s, there have always been adherents of L. Ron Hubbard’s “technology” who broke away from his official movement to practice his ideas on their own.

These independent Scientologists, or Freezoners, have come and gone, with an occasional attempt to organize actual brick-and-mortar churches of their own. (There’s the former Haifa mission that thrives there under former Church of Scientology members Dani and Tami Lemberger, for example.)

But we told Victoria Palmer that we don’t recall independent Scientologists attempting what she did: A direct protest of the Church of Scientology and its leader David Miscavige by practicing Freezoners at Scientology’s Los Angeles headquarters, known as ‘Pacific Area Command’ to Scientologists, and ‘Big Blue’ to the public.

“I decided that it was time for us to unite and stand for the truth about Scientology,” she told us.

Conspicuous by their absence were any Scientologists on the street at L. Ron Hubbard Way, which was probably intentional. They were probably kept indoors to make sure they didn’t get exposed to the protest.

But Palmer and her crew gamely pressed on, and we’re interested in your thoughts about how they did.

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It's an amazing video in many ways.

So many layers!

And I loved her blue-shirt kinda SO uniform! LOL. Great touch!!

How ironic, the KSW Scientologists marching in the street (trying to restore & apply Hubbard's tech) are declared "SP"s by the fake COS Scientologists that do not apply KSW, but only promote and enforce the concept with a vengeance.

The leader of the Indies seems like a perfectly lovely woman---exactly what many of ex-Scientologists would instantly recognize as the EXACT KIND OF SCIENTOLOGIST that introduced them and got them into Scientology. A kind-hearted, clear-eyed, faithfully cheerful person who really has genuine intentions to help others in a kind and generous way. That's the vintage Scientologist that I saw when i first got interested as a young teenager.

Such persons seem so serene, happy and focused on doing good in the world. Their energy is pure and simple. They're not in it for fame, power, money or status. One has to recognize and respect that greatly.

At the same time she believes disconnection and fair game and declares are not L. Ron Hubbards technology. I can certainly understand how she would energetically lead chants of:

"USE COMMUNICATION! -- NOT DISCONNECTION!"
But, my dear well-intentioned girl--Disconnection IS Ron's tech.

If you want to "restore the real Scientology" then you want to restore disconnection, chain lockers, fair game, black criminal operations, thugs stalking & terrorizing innocent people, bankrupting Scientologists, lying, gaslighting and defrauding the IRS, the Courts and all Scientologists with magical states (clear/OT) that do not exist.

Indie Scientology vs. Corporate Scientology!

Indie freedom seekers vs. COS total freedom seekers

Illusion vs. Delusion

Utopia Scene vs. Ideal Scene

One wonders which of the two bifurcations of the cult that Hubbard would befriend and support if he returned.

MY GUESS: It would be hard for Hubbard to decide. He would love the real KSW scientologists that railed and protested against the disappearance of the SHSBC, KTL and many other standard grade chart actions. he would give the indies medals and special honors, such as "Super Loyal Officers". ("super" is always better than things that don't have the word "super")

On the other hand, Hubbard would love the billions in the COS accounts, plus the vast real estate portfolio. He would not want to give that up. . .

WWRD? (What Would Ron Do?): He would declare and kick out the senior COS echelons and install the Indies to run the cult. Then he gets both the money and the marketing mojo of exuberant disseminators.

PARTING COMMENT: I guess that Indie protest leader (Victoria Palmer) is a genuinely good person. My wishes she will one day peel the onion just a tad more and see what she discovers. I know this will kill the living shit out of her F/N, but I think that reality always trumps and leads to better things than fugazi OT wins. If she never figures out that Indie Scientology is a massive hoax, she might just live the rest of her live in the cheery belief that she is on the road to OT and "eternity". If that happens, i guess it's okay for her, but i still don't feel very good about all the people her kind smile and genuine manner will inadvertently defraud by recruiting them into the Indie world. Better than the COS world, i guess--but fraud is still fraud.

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The independents, while statistically insignificant, represent another angle from which the C of S is being called out. In the paranoid perspective of the cult, they're significant enough to draw attention and resources, and another angle from which to make members of the flock question their trust in the group and its leadership. When you consider that the mentality about "the tech" is more than a little bit about big-dogging each other with accusations of "out-tech" and "out-ethics" the basic ways Scientologists belittle each other, these "indies" offer those accumulating upsets some attractive support and agreement with why they are "right", and make defecting "ok", because they can say that they're "standing up for LRH and the tech". And it takes little or no effort to drift further out of the trap, as the independents have no "org structure" to hound or threaten them. Let them make a little noise, stir things up as much as they can.
I can live with that.
 
On the one hand, the slogan, "Restore Scientology," is extremely naive, but it's also an effective slogan for short circuiting the usual response from Scientology Inc. Scientologists to "attacks." It might make some think.

"Bring back Scientology to the way it was under RON!" prompts the question, "What year do you want to restore?"

Guessing? 1970? 1969? or, later, 1980?

Over thirty nine years ago, a bunch of Independent Field people went to protest at the Blue Buildings, at Celebrity Center, and out to the secret base at Gold. It was more dangerous then. There was no Internet yet. One line that threw off the standard response was, "Tech is out in Orgs."

If a person can be persuaded away from Scn Inc., in most instances, they'll eventually snap out of it.
 
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On the one hand, the slogan, "Restore Scientology," is extremely naive, but it's also an effective slogan for short circuiting the usual response from Scientology Inc. Scientologists to "attacks." It might make some think.


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Maybe the INDIES need a better slogan in order to impact the 4th Dynamic.

It should be "on theme" of getting rid of declares, attacks, and entheta by using communication tools, right?

How about this one?
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The "communication not disconnection" slogan does seem to be a bit hypocritical.

Looking at the two videos, and their comments, there is no discussion between the "Restore Scientology" faction and the ex Scientologist faction. Worse., some Independent Scientologists seem to have adopted a new militancy. It's almost as though the hope of restoring Scientology has resulted in them slipping back to 1970 and the mind set they had at that time - for some, of course. it would be a later time.

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The ARC Scientologists vs the KRC Scientologists


The Scientology symbol of Knowledge, Responsibility, Control above Affinity, Reality, Communication

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is a restatement of Crowley's Love is the Law, Love under Will.
Crowley regarded "love," not as sentimentality, but as a phenomenon comparable to gravitation, chemical affinity, and electrical potential.
 
"Bring back Scientology to the way it was under RON!" prompts the question, "What year do you want to restore?"

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LOL LOL LOL. Perfect. :)
 
This question of 'what would LRH do if he returned today' is an interesting one.
Because I give him credit at least for being a very intelligent charlatan, I believe he would quickly realize the current Scientology game is a loser in the 21st century, and would put his mind to finding another game to play.

Perhaps he really would return as a political leader and not a religious one after all...

One wonders which of the two bifurcations of the cult that Hubbard would befriend and support if he returned.
 
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This question of 'what would LRH do if he returned today' is an interesting one.
Because I give him credit at least for being a very intelligent charlatan, I believe he would quickly realize the current Scientology game is a loser in the 21st century, and would put his mind to finding another game to play.

Perhaps he really would return as a political leader and not a religious one after all...

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Or perhaps he would try the "religion angle" again and reincarnate in Japan, this time as a widely recognized and worshipped Shinto God.

He would probably replicate his successful actions from the time he claimed to be Buddha in his book "HYMN OF ASIA"--and claim to be Kaze-No-Kami, the god of wind.

Fujin (風神) Also known as Kaze-no-kami, he is the Japanese god of the wind and one of the eldest Shinto gods, said to have been present at the creation of the world. He is often depicted as an oni (evil spirit or demon) with a bag slung over his back.
Shinto scholars have stated that Hubbard's choice of claiming to be the God of Wind carrying a bag on his back might be an unfortunate choice, but not one which he would realize. Because, the Japanese people would secretly laugh at the literal translation of wind-bag.

Hubbard could also invoke another recognizable piece of his prior Scientology tech by claiming to be ROYAL OFFICER. This invokes his previous writings about the status of "LOYAL OFFICER". But some experts disagree and claim that "Royal Officer" is simply the Japanese pronunciation of Loyal Officer.


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