the milgram experiment, gaslighting etc.

[Cat_Daddy]

The origin of the term is the 1938 British thriller play Gas Light by Patrick Hamilton, which provided the source material for the 1940 British film, Gaslight. The film was then remade in 1944 in America – also as Gaslight – and it is this film which has since become the primary reference point for the term.[ Set among London's elite during the Victorian era, it portrays a seemingly genteel husband using lies and manipulation to isolate his heiress wife and persuade her that she is mentally unwell so that he can steal from her. In the story the husband secretly dims and brightens the indoor gas-powered lighting but insists his wife is imagining it, making her think she is going insane.[ The term "gaslighting" itself is neither in the screenplay nor mentioned in either the films or the play in any context.

I have a question. Is this about that guy who was fiddling with the literal gas lights to confuse his wife?

 

[Miss]

The Rise of the New Normal Reich: Consent Factory Essays, Vol. III (2020-2021) Paperback – May 4, 2022
by C. J. Hopkins (Author)

In this third volume of his Consent Factory Essays, C. J. Hopkins presents an unofficial history of the roll-out of the "New Normal" during the 2020-2021 Covid-19 pandemic, and an analysis of this new, pathologized-totalitarian ideology that has radically transformed societies around the world.

From the proclamation of the "New Normal" and the initial propaganda blitzkrieg in March of 2020, and on through the global lockdowns, the suspension of constitutional rights, the mask mandates, the social distancing, the censorship, the segregation and persecution of "the Unvaccinated," and, finally, the collapse of the official Covid narrative at the end of 2021, the essays in this volume comprise an "as-it-happened" record of how insane and totalitarian things got, and puts the madness into context. "No other prophet has described the strategies or predicted the perils of the emerging totalitarianism with such persistence and eloquence." (Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.)

Featuring popular essays like The Covidian Cult, The "Unvaccinated" Question, The Criminalization of Dissent, Manufacturing New Normal "Reality," and a new introductory essay exploring the question of how nominally democratic societies around the world could be so suddenly and easily transformed into pathologized-totalitarian police states, the essays in this collection present "[a] searing (and therefore satisfying) chronicle of life in, and against, the locked-down, masked-up, triple-vaxxed madhouse of New Normal insanity." (Max Blumenthal)

"[Hopkins] was one of the only people in English willing to do [that], and he did it with his trademark wit and bravado. He'll be remembered as a signature chronicler of the 'New Normal.'" (Matt Taibbi)

interesting...

i enjoy most his humor..
usually i don't read political stuff at all

my area was ancients
and maybe some stuff up into
the 1800s

 

[Miss]

The origin of the term is the 1938 British thriller play Gas Light by Patrick Hamilton, which provided the source material for the 1940 British film, Gaslight. The film was then remade in 1944 in America – also as Gaslight – and it is this film which has since become the primary reference point for the term.[ Set among London's elite during the Victorian era, it portrays a seemingly genteel husband using lies and manipulation to isolate his heiress wife and persuade her that she is mentally unwell so that he can steal from her. In the story the husband secretly dims and brightens the indoor gas-powered lighting but insists his wife is imagining it, making her think she is going insane.[ The term "gaslighting" itself is neither in the screenplay nor mentioned in either the films or the play in any context.

oh right... of course!!!

thank you.

 

[Cat_Daddy]

You are welcome Miss

oh right... of course!!!

thank you.

 

[Cat_Daddy]

1800's color me intriged.

interesting...

i enjoy most his humor..
usually i don't read political stuff at all

my area was ancients
and maybe some stuff up into
the 1800s

 

[Miss]

Society is divided into two fundamental groups, (a) “normal people,” who accept “reality,” and (b) the “deviants” and “extremists,” who do not. Your political and ideological opponents are pathologized, preemptively delegitimized. After all, who would argue against “reality” except liars and the clinically insane?

thank goodness i deviate !

 

[Miss]

"They’re here! No, not the pod people from Invasion of the Body Snatchers." p84

yes... exactly...

 

[Cat_Daddy]

Are you talking about Greece anciënts. Egyptian and Norse Mythology when you mention Anciënts?

"They’re here! No, not the pod people from Invasion of the Body Snatchers." p84

yes... exactly...

 

[Miss]

ontological – of or relating to ontology, the branch of metaphysics that studies the nature of existence or being as such; metaphysical​

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...

i would define ontology as the study of
realities.


consciousness as intention
to reality-producing

 

[Miss]

Are you talking about Greece anciënts. Egyptian and Norse Mythology when you mention Anciënts?

yes ; )

 

[Miss]

@ILove2Lurk

free free to keep the thread focused on hopkins...

i probably already derailed it

 

[Cat_Daddy]

So do you like Tolkien and hate what Netflix did with it and alsoo dispise/ hate Jada Pinketh Smith's portrayal of "Cleopatra" ?

yes ; )

 

[Miss]

Are you talking about Greece anciënts. Egyptian and Norse Mythology when you mention Anciënts?

So do you like Tolkien and hate what Netflix did with it and alsoo dispise/ hate Jada Pinketh Smith's portrayal of "Cleopatra" ?

i didn't watch jada... would be too much for me. i prefer the girl in 1970
transformers movie fixing
the camaro car.

i try not to watch netflix.

lol

 

[Cat_Daddy]

"A book of interest may be
The Rise of the New Normal Reich
by C.J. Hopkins.

I was reading these essays all along but now they are in a book."

What is the quick reading let's say the jest of this book Miss?"

i didn't watch jada... would be too much for me. i prefer the girl in 1970
transformers movie fixing
the camaro car.

i try not to watch netflix.

lol

 

[Cat_Daddy]

"C. J. Hopkins is an award-winning playwright, novelist, and political satirist. His plays have been produced and have toured at theatres and festivals including Riverside Studios (London), 59E59 Theaters (New York), Traverse Theatre (Edinburgh), Belvoir St. Theatre (Sydney), the Du Maurier World Stage Festival (Toronto), Needtheater (Los Angeles), 7 Stages (Atlanta), the Edinburgh Festival Fringe, Adelaide Fringe, Brighton Festival, and the Noorderzon Festival (the Netherlands), among others. His writing awards include the 2002 First of the Scotsman Fringe Firsts, Scotsman Fringe Firsts in 2002 and 2005, and the 2004 Best Play of the Adelaide Fringe. His political satire and commentary has been published by Consent Factory, OffGuardian, ZeroHedge, ColdType, Rubikon, RT.com, CounterPunch, Dissident Voice, and many other publications, and has been widely translated. His debut novel, Zone 23, is published by Snoggsworthy, Swaine & Cormorant."

 

[Miss]

"A book of interest may be
The Rise of the New Normal Reich
by C.J. Hopkins.

I was reading these essays all along but now they are in a book.

What is the quick reading let's say the jest of this book Miss?"

for me, based on me only,
(since I related the book to
my opinions),

is the idea that overall
society is itself based on gaslighting
...dialectic is not new... plato started it.

and that a war
has been going on
regarding how to impose a certain reality
by bullying and gaslighting

..... for a long time.

the book makes caricatures and
puns about more recent forms of this.



for a reader (other than me)

maybe it is a first
look at how people are bullied
by hidden authorities

where their vulnerabilities
are manipulated
to trick and spellbind them
to a reality
for hidden purposes.

 

[Cat_Daddy]

Thank you, I have more toughts about this. But thank you Miss, for your toughtfull answer.

"where their vulnerabilities
are manipulated
to trick and spellbind them
to a reality
for hidden purposes."

OMG Hello L Ron Hubbard

for me, based on me only,
(since I related the book to
my opinions),

is the idea that overall
society is itself based on gaslighting
...dialectic is not new... plato started it.

and that a war
has been going on
regarding how to impose a certain reality
by bullying and gaslighting

..... for a long time.

the book makes caricatures and
puns about more recent forms of this.



for a reader (other than me)

maybe it is a first
look at how people are bullied
by hidden authorities

where their vulnerabilities
are manipulated
to trick and spellbind them
to a reality
for hidden purposes.

 

[TheSneakster]

I'm asking a related question here. Since the Milgram Experiment is in the title, I feel this is an appropriate question: Besides myself, which of you here has actually studied in detail Stanley Milgram's 1963 research paper Behavioral Study of obedience ?

Edit Addition: Did you know that of the 40 participants, 14 (35%) ultimately disobeyed ?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

.

I have a question. Is this about that guy who was fiddling with the literal gas lights to confuse his wife?

.
Yes, that's the origin of the recently much popularized term "gaslighting", taken from the previous MOVIES and PLAYS of the same or similar names.

Decades before the term "gaslighting" came into vogue, I first heard about the phenomena of 'intentionally trying to drive someone insane' from L. Ron Hubbard, in one of his audio lectures where he briefly described that phenomena. Hubbard even gave his impersonation of the story's antagonist trying to drive his wife insane by creepily asking her: "WHERE DID YOU HIDE THE STAIRCASE, PAULA?!"

I didn't realize while listening to that audiotape that the sociopathic sadist Hubbard was actually admiring that "technology", which he would engage (approximately 20 years after he gave that lecture) in his terrorist campaign against Paulette Cooper—where he intentionally tried to drive her insane--and either into a mental institution or to full EP (suicide). See "OPERATION FREAKOUT".

It would have made another great audio lecture if before his death Hubbard would have shared his huge OT wins on trying to drive another innocent person into a full-blown psychotic break, by doing an impersonation of himself creepily asking: "WHERE DID YOU HIDE THE STAIRCASE, PAULETTE?!"

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LINK TO BACKGROUND INFO:

Gaslight (1944) (aka The Murder in Thornton Square) is a superb, definitive psychological suspense thriller from 'woman's director' George Cukor. [Previous Cukor films that were similar as period dramas included Little Women (1933), David Copperfield (1935), and Camille (1936).] The lavish and glossy MGM film, with authentic Victorian-era production design, was a remake of a taut and subtle film made four or five years earlier in Great Britain. This earlier version, starring a very sinister Anton Walbrook and Diana Wynyard, was directed by Thorold Dickinson and released in the US as both Gaslight and Angel Street (1940). When MGM decided to remake the film, it bought the rights to Dickinson's version and withdrew it from circulation (and reportedly - and unsuccessfully attempted to destroy prints of the film) - causing resentment among British film-makers.

Both versions of the film (1940 and 1944) were adapted from Patrick Hamilton's long-running, late 1938 London staged play-melodrama, first presented under the title Gas Light. Hamilton's play was published in book form in 1939, also titled Gas Light. When it was produced on Broadway in 1941 and ran for almost three years, it was titled Angel Street, with stars Vincent Price and Judith Evans. [Note: Hamilton also wrote the detective melodrama Rope in 1929, a Leopold and Loeb-style murder story, later filmed by Alfred Hitchcock in 1948.]
The film was advertised as "the strange story of an international criminal's love for a great beauty," and "the strange drama of a captive sweetheart." The film's plot, faithfully adapted by its screenwriters, was about a diabolical, Victorian criminal husband (Charles Boyer playing against type) who systematically and methodically attempts to torment, menace, and drive his bedeviled, fragile wife (Ingrid Bergman) mad. Its title was derived from the frequent dimming and flickering of the gaslights. The phrase "to gaslight" someone (to deliberately drive someone insane by psychologically manipulating their environment and tricking someone into believing that they are insane), was derived from the film.

The gothic, noirish and effective melodrama, with the theme of a menaced, terrorized, sheltered or threatened woman (or wife) by a deranged man (often a husband), was one of a number of similar films made in the 1940s: [--snipped for brevity--]

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[Miss]

oh right... of course!!!

thank you.

you might be interested in this too.

I guess sci-fi writing and totalitarian thinking
go together more often than i thought...

https://www.telelib.com/authors/W/WellsHerbertGeorge/prose/newworldorder/newworldorder012.html

edit: reads like a weird twin of a certain psycho......