Vintage Carmelo

[Hatshepsut]

You were seemingly in all around coast to coast. Is your story posted in here in one place?

Nope.
I'm not an old timer. I did stumble into a local mission at 17, when arriving in Florida to work the Disney boom. My mission holders and good friends there, were the true old timers, having penned the first corp charter for Church of Scientology in Phoenix. (And Golden Dawn newsletters) I got groomed within this group.
I don't really have a story.
I went coast to coast because I needed to ration how far the dollars would take me. Different pricing at different Orgs.
Grew up in Oakland, then the Midwest, and then Florida.

 

[vegan3]

was just digging around on the fb page of bill franks. as soon as i see he is quoting breitbart i've heard all i need to know. but, his friend list jogged my brain again. i think the name i knew was pam cox, which was the pam lancaster that carmelo was talking about. and i confused her with toni lancaster chamberlain. so many freaking republicans in this cult.

 

[Enthetan]

so many freaking republicans in this cult.

I don't think there's more than in the general population. But keep in mind that about half of the general population voted for Trump.

You just happen to put yourself in a bubble by excluding people who are significantly to the right of you, and you seem pretty left.

 

[vegan3]

 

[I M Dex]

No, I don't think so. Try to find a Scn or Indie who doesn't think democrats are "communist SP's out to enslave the planet". Hubbard was brutal on FDR, quick to label adversaries "communist". Every mention of politics I've ever seen by any flavor of Scn was not merely republican, but very offensive toward democrats. At least a couple of Indies I've known actually believe that Trump somehow IS Hubbard, and frankly, they behave about the same.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Trump registered as a Republican back in 1987 but has changed his party affiliation 5 times since then. And he wasn't in full agreement with the Republican Party platform even in 2016 when running for President.

 

[Veda]

Link to Hubbard's Propaganda Tech thread​

Scientology is amoral and swings both ways depending on what is expedient.


"PR is overt. Intelligence is covert." PR Series 7.

Hubbard designed Scientology to be covert.

That Scientology presents itself as a "Church," has big Crosses on display, along with a wall decoration "Creed of the Church," and publicly displayed "policies" about "helping," "honesty," and "breaking no laws," is PR.

When Hubbard formalized his covert Intelligence tech and his criminal cloak & dagger network in the 1960s, public relations, as cover, became a necessity.

Hubbard used Scientology as his own fan club, to assert and maintain dominion over thoughts and loyalties through mental healing, to covertly collect information through "counseling," and to get money and power.

In essence, Scientology is at war with the wog world.

It requires PR as a layer of deceit to hide its actions and to protect itself.

As with Scientology over all, Scientology PR is multi layered and sneaky and has its own PR.

Hubbard called this "PR of PR" and "nicey nicey PR." This is what Scientology wants the public (the "wogs') to envision, when it thinks of Scientology Public Relations:

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Beneath PR of PR is serious PR which is manipulative, black PR which misleads and smears, and full array of Propaganda tech, and then covert Intelligence tech.

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[vegan3]

You wrote a book there for no reason.

“Scientology is amoral and swings both ways depending on what is expedient.”

I’m talking about cult/ex-cult and at least a few in this thread are staying on mute.

 

[I M Dex]

Trump registered as a Republican back in 1987 but has changed his party affiliation 5 times since then. And he wasn't in full agreement with the Republican Party platform even in 2016 when running for President.

That's because Trump's only agenda is self-interest. In the 80's and 90's, when I worked in the NYC area printing industry, Trump screwed owners of high-end printing businesses I was friendly with by ordering expensive printing projects and after delivery, told them they could accept 10 or 15% of the bill as payment or spend money on attorneys to take him to court. That's how he did business. But the republican side was his opportunity, so he went that way. Hubbard called himself "source" and "mankind's greatest friend"; Trump called himself "the greatest president in American history". Both claims are of comparable (zero) legitimacy, but that hasn't prevented them from accumulating a disturbing amount of believers.

 

[Veda]

That's because Trump's only agenda is self-interest. In the 80's and 90's, when I worked in the NYC area printing industry, Trump screwed owners of high-end printing businesses I was friendly with by ordering expensive printing projects and after delivery, told them they could accept 10 or 15% of the bill as payment or spend money on attorneys to take him to court. That's how he did business. But the republican side was his opportunity, so he went that way. Hubbard called himself "source" and "mankind's greatest friend"; Trump called himself "the greatest president in American history". Both claims are of comparable (zero) legitimacy, but that hasn't prevented them from accumulating a disturbing amount of believers.

Have you calculated your Social Credit Score?

 

[Hatshepsut]

I'm so glad you posted this.
Just prior to the 31 min marker,
What it's like to think while streaming with some info from your previous lives. You wonder 'can this be normal?'. But it feels completely normal not to have occlusions sometimes. Of course, other times you are more submerged.

This is what gets me about identiity politics. They dont want you to have any awareness as the core Self. It's all about minds. The valenece manipulators want to pull strings on. Exteriorizing from your mental matrices are dangerous for them as there's no control.... and no planting of enemies.

Having a chronic problem that you MUST CONFROT, determines your location in space. Whiich is the same as controlling your beingness. So, if you can be kept getting even with an enemy they control your position in space.

Regarding shifting space and beingness__
Scrolls from the Nag Hammadi contain some discriptons of pre-Christian Gnositc processes used to drop out the mind leaving it below you.

Chapter 6 Heavenly Ascent: The Discourse on the Eighth and the Ninth (NHC VI,6)

"Chapter 6 Heavenly Ascent: The Discourse on the Eighth and the Ninth (NHC VI,6)" published on 17 Jul 2018 by Brill.

brill.com

I think they're many exteriorization from the mind processes. Members learned to separate out and move up the planes which make up our solid reality. Living counter-intentions to this journey are mentioned along wth how to elicit your assistive helpers. These people were psychonauts. The same themes are painted in Egyptian tombs of course. Jung studied and often referenced the early Gnostics. The Peratae were defined as......those who know how to pass through.

Today more than ever we need discussion like the ones in that youtube video. The population is becoming more and more encapsulated so the core being is invalidated and swamped by this or that valence wall or petty game.

Narcissism is, I believe, a disease acting like the cluster headache, where one section mirrors another and copies another, contaging all the cells, until the solution to feeling overhwhelmed, is to eject. Today, ejecting away from it, is accomplished by destroying an 'enemy' so you can again be top of the heap.. There's no allowance for introspection when submerged inside the automaticites of a mental matrix. The free theta wants 'out' and will assign the crime of who did the trapping.... to a wrong target usually.

 

[Enthetan]

That's because Trump's only agenda is self-interest.

I can't help thinking that most guys, if they had been in Trump's position, would have stayed home with the supermodel wife and played golf and partied, rather than putting up with the threats and abuse that Trump has had to deal with.

You think prosecutors would have had any interest in him if he had stayed out of politics?

 

[I M Dex]

I can't help thinking that most guys, if they had been in Trump's position, would have stayed home with the supermodel wife and played golf and partied, rather than putting up with the threats and abuse that Trump has had to deal with.

You think prosecutors would have had any interest in him if he had stayed out of politics?

He saw it as great self-promotion, business-wise. And he was no stranger to prosecutors and lawsuits, the "As long as they spell my name right" strategy of self-promotion. He's campaigning for reelection and complaining that he wasn't legitimately voted out, so he seems to be ok with all the attention, positive and negative.

 

[Hatshepsut]

You think prosecutors would have had any interest in him if he had stayed out of politics?

Nope.

 

[Type4_PTS]

That's because Trump's only agenda is self-interest. In the 80's and 90's, when I worked in the NYC area printing industry, Trump screwed owners of high-end printing businesses I was friendly with by ordering expensive printing projects and after delivery, told them they could accept 10 or 15% of the bill as payment or spend money on attorneys to take him to court. That's how he did business. But the republican side was his opportunity, so he went that way. Hubbard called himself "source" and "mankind's greatest friend"; Trump called himself "the greatest president in American history". Both claims are of comparable (zero) legitimacy, but that hasn't prevented them from accumulating a disturbing amount of believers.

Your claim that Trump's only agenda is self-interest isn't supported by the evidence. Even if that were true though that seems to seems to be a common characteristic of politicians in Washington these days, including the "big guy".

 

[I M Dex]

Your claim that Trump's only agenda is self-interest isn't supported by the evidence. Even if that were true though that seems to seems to be a common characteristic of politicians in Washington these days, including the "big guy".

I think it is made undeniable by the evidence, unless you dismiss every claim against him as "fake news". And I'm not a big fan of the "other people have done it too" defense, as valid as it may be.

 

[vegan3]

Totally love how he views and explained that. It started slow but got a whole lot better. I need to google whatever he teaches although I have no interest in meditation.

 

[Type4_PTS]

And I'm not a big fan of the "other people have done it too" defense, as valid as it may be.

For myself, I am unaffiliated with any party and so when choosing who to vote for I will choose the candidate I believe will be best for the country.

If a candidate has a particular negative characteristic I don't consider it a "defense" to point out that the opposing candidate has the same issue. One has to make a choice by comparing two or more candidates. If all of them have that same issue wouldn't we have to consider other factors when making a decision?

 

[I M Dex]

For myself, I am unaffiliated with any party and so when choosing who to vote for I will choose the candidate I believe will be best for the country.

If a candidate has a particular negative characteristic I don't consider it a "defense" to point out that the opposing candidate has the same issue. One has to make a choice by comparing two or more candidates. If all of them have that same issue wouldn't we have to consider other factors when making a decision?

I agree, in that it matters much more who the candidate is than what party they represent. But I'm talking about an individual, Donald Trump, of whom I have personal knowledge of what a selfish thieving little shit he is. I didn't refer to any comparison or election circumstances. My point is that he is what he is, regardless of what anybody else is, and he is not made any better by talking about anybody else.
In terms of comparing the relative value of candidates, which is a different matter, in 2016, in my view, there wasn't a presidential nominee worth voting for; I couldn't stomach either one of them. In 2020, after the embarrassing clownish behavior of Trump, even though I felt that the democratic machine jobbed Bernie Sanders out of his role as the rightful nominee, I reluctantly concluded that Biden was the lesser of two evils, he didn't turn my stomach like Hillary. My father made an observation in 1968, which I think is salient, speaking of Democrat Humphrey and Republican Nixon: "Both of them want to be president just so that they can be president". Sometimes it just doesn't seem to matter who's voted in.
I wonder if there has ever been an unbiased political statement. It seems like it's all cherrypicking the stories that support your view, all confirmation bias, underneath the facade of "reason".
Politics is mostly, if not entirely, attitudes and posturings masquerading as reasoned observations and conclusions.

 

[vegan3]