Welcome curious Scientologists

[Veda]

We were once you.

Here are some songs by people who briefly became Scientologists..

All eventually moved beyond Scientology, and usually in the company of others, with whom they shared ideas and information, and talked, laughed, and changed.

Some people are possessed by Scientology

Then, eventually, pass through Scientology​

One of Scientology's first celebrities was beat author William Burroughs, who became involved in 1959, as a distant, curious, "public," and, ultimately, became much more deeply involved during the late 1960s, even traveling to St. Hill in England.

From the Auditor newspaper

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Shortly after Burroughs had left Scientology, after an involvement - as a
"public person." i.e. a customer - of over ten years,, Leonard Cohen became involved.
Here he is in the Scientology New York Academy, in the Martinique Hotel, during 1969

Leonard Cohen was audited on the Lower Grades and, after having moved on from Scientology, wrote this song:

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The 1972 book, Naked Scientology, is a compilation of William Burroughs' critiques on Scientology, and attempts to explain his involvement in Scientology.

"Like an anthropologist who has, after unspeakable indignities, penetrated a savage tribe, I was determined to hang on to get the big medicine."

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Also during the late 1960s, the psychedelic Scottish folk music group, the Incredible String Band, became involved.

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From before Scientology involvement​

After leaving, ISB co-founder Mike Heron called his involvement in Scientology "silly," because he should have seen "that the control it exercised over me was stronger than anything I could have learned from it."

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From Van Morrison's Inarticulate Speech of the Heart album of 1983:

During the early 1980s Van Morrison was briefly "on lines,"
and received "Life Repair" auditing.
Morrison apparently liked the auditing,
but did not wish to become further involved.

Three years later he released another album titled
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher.

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One celebrity who Scientology Inc. sought was Frank Zappa.

Zappa, who, although he never became involved, was influenced by exposure
to some of Hubbard's books from the 1950s.

From the 1967 album

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These days, celebrities who hang around long enough (too long), and descend into Scientology deeply enough, experience their own peculiar assortment of indignities and absurdities.

A little bit of Scientology can sometimes be a good thing; a lot of Scientology seldom is.​

 

[Barile]

We were once you.

Here are some songs by people who briefly became Scientologists..

All eventually moved beyond Scientology, and usually in the company of others, with whom they shared ideas and information, and talked, laughed, and changed.

Some people are possessed by Scientology

Then, eventually, pass through Scientology​

One of Scientology's first celebrities was beat author William Burroughs, who became involved in 1959, as a distant, curious, "public," and, ultimately, became much more deeply involved during the late 1960s, even traveling to St. Hill in England.

From the Auditor newspaper

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Shortly after Burroughs had left Scientology, after an involvement - as a
"public person." i.e. a customer - of over ten years,, Leonard Cohen became involved.
Here he is in the Scientology New York Academy, in the Martinique Hotel, during 1969

Leonard Cohen was audited on the Lower Grades and, after having moved on from Scientology, wrote this song:

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The 1972 book, Naked Scientology, is a compilation of William Burroughs' critiques on Scientology, and attempts to explain his involvement in Scientology.

"Like an anthropologist who has, after unspeakable indignities, penetrated a savage tribe, I was determined to hang on to get the big medicine."

*

Also during the late 1960s, the psychedelic Scottish folk music group, the Incredible String Band, became involved.

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From before Scientology involvement​

After leaving, ISB co-founder Mike Heron called his involvement in Scientology "silly," because he should have seen "that the control it exercised over me was stronger than anything I could have learned from it."

*

From Van Morrison's Inarticulate Speech of the Heart album of 1983:

During the early 1980s Van Morrison was briefly "on lines,"
and received "Life Repair" auditing.
Morrison apparently liked the auditing,
but did not wish to become further involved.

Three years later he released another album titled
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher.

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One celebrity who Scientology Inc. sought was Frank Zappa.

Zappa, who, although he never became involved, was influenced by exposure
to some of Hubbard's books from the 1950s.

From the 1967 album

*​

These days, celebrities who hang around long enough (too long), and descend into Scientology deeply enough, experience their own peculiar assortment of indignities and absurdities.

A little bit of Scientology can sometimes be a good thing; a lot of Scientology seldom is.​

dude..... you totally forgot me

 

[Barney Bear]

May I just add a note that according to recent revelations from exterior org sources tell about the content of the OT8 material and also above that. I am sure many of you will know by now that "Truth Revealed" as it was first written essentially cancelled out the earlier material about Body Thetans. Those of you who have not spent the past 50 years unsuccessfully solo-auditing BTs will be happy to know that it was not necessary. The body only has one 'Genetic Being' running the automatic mechanics of the human body. Theta Beings enter into an agreement with it to share and utilise. So, as many already know, keep in great ARC with your Genetic Entity/Body and it will keep healthy and strong as possible. The theoretical BT's things can be dealt with by simple 2WC and essentially declare a "non-interference zone" around your body at a distance of more than six feet. LRH told us a long time ago that they are en-Theta or enturbulated theta beings or 'MEST' beings that respond to Dianetic Therapy if you wish to pursue that. Allegedly, Hubbard forgot that "What you create, you get", so he had a lot of trouble with his accumulated 'BTs' in his last few years and was very ill. They were essentially there due to his own Overt Motivator Sequences. The drug experiments and alcohol did not help either. (Poor Sod!) Any Class 5 Auditor worth their salt could have helped him. Vistaril was a bad idea and Gene Denk should be facing a criminal court for alleged malpractice as in the Michael Jackson case. He was said to be having private fun in Reno when LRH had his fatal heart attack. Hubbard had allowed his own ego and desire for wealth and security to distract himself from the goal we all shared once. We just failed to see that it was part of a hidden agenda that has now taken over the old defunct body.

 

[Veda]

May I just add a note that according to recent revelations from exterior org sources tell about the content of the OT8 material and also above that. I am sure many of you will know by now that "Truth Revealed" as it was first written essentially cancelled out the earlier material about Body Thetans. Those of you who have not spent the past 50 years unsuccessfully solo-auditing BTs will be happy to know that it was not necessary. The body only has one 'Genetic Being' running the automatic mechanics of the human body. Theta Beings enter into an agreement with it to share and utilise. So, as many already know, keep in great ARC with your Genetic Entity/Body and it will keep healthy and strong as possible. The theoretical BT's things can be dealt with by simple 2WC and essentially declare a "non-interference zone" around your body at a distance of more than six feet. LRH told us a long time ago that they are en-Theta or enturbulated theta beings or 'MEST' beings that respond to Dianetic Therapy if you wish to pursue that. Allegedly, Hubbard forgot that "What you create, you get", so he had a lot of trouble with his accumulated 'BTs' in his last few years and was very ill. They were essentially there due to his own Overt Motivator Sequences. The drug experiments and alcohol did not help either. (Poor Sod!) Any Class 5 Auditor worth their salt could have helped him. Vistaril was a bad idea and Gene Denk should be facing a criminal court for alleged malpractice as in the Michael Jackson case. He was said to be having private fun in Reno when LRH had his fatal heart attack. Hubbard had allowed his own ego and desire for wealth and security to distract himself from the goal we all shared once. We just failed to see that it was part of a hidden agenda that has now taken over the old defunct body.

The original "Truth Revealed," confidential HCOB, basically said the entire Bridge didn't work because of outside meddling, and, although it mentioned a Rundown, it did not provide one.

David Mayo, then senior Case Supervisor International, who had been Hubbard's personal auditor, was given the missive by Pat Broeker who was excited, as it was something new from Hubbard who mostly had been watching Goldie Hawn movies on TV while also writing pulp science fiction, as therapy, as his wife, who had taken the rap for him, was awaiting being sent to prison, after the exposure of her husband's secret spying and dirty tricks network.

Although, in 1956, Hubbard had said there were "not other thetans in the body," he never abandoned his preoccupation with BTs, and clusters of BTs, that began in earnest after his emotional collapse, post Rhodesia, circa late 1966/early 1967, when he invented Xenu, Incident 2, and made himself the Commodore.

Incident 2 was the super engram that explained Hubbard having been humiliatingly booted out of Rhodesia.

Establishing "Incident 2" as a "factual fact" restored Hubbard's bruised ego.

The Confidential Student Briefing, of 5 May 1980 claims there is "biogenetic meddling" by those outside of the MEST universe, an ancient Genetic Line implant that makes it impossible for beings to become free. Hubbard, in effect, stated that R6, NOTs, the Purif, and, by implication, his entire Bridge, could not produce free beings because of this meddling.

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The https://exscn.net/forum/threads/why-do-auditors-keep-auditing.37327/ thread

The Web auditor says: "I'm using LRH tech as it was written before the '60s, while he was still very enthusiastic, before he started getting bitter, unhappy, and things like that."

Can't tell if this person is being diplomatic to another auditor who is of a more conventional mind set, and refraining from saying something on the order of, "Hubbard probably had a self serving hidden agenda all along but was surrounded, during the 1950s, by some bright and innovative people, from whom he borrowed much. These were people interested in contributing to a layman oriented movement. Gradually, the brightest and most innovative people left, and the movement became a cult."

Probably, this person is not being diplomatic and is simply stating what he believes - still, it's a step in the right direction, IMO.

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This "layman oriented movement," during its early years, had, as one of it inspirations, the writings of Alfred Korzybski, who wanted his subject, which he called General Semantics, to be studied and applied by any intelligent person, including the intelligent layman.

This short video ends abruptly but summarizes nicely
Korzybski's main message.​

The idea was that the "ordinary" person should be able to think and evaluate clearly, and behave rationally, without being dependent on any bureaucracy or priesthood.

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[Reyne Mayer]

The original "Truth Revealed," confidential HCOB, basically said the entire Bridge didn't work because of outside meddling, and, although it mentioned a Rundown, it did not provide one.

that seems to me to typify the pattern of always looking, over and over and over, for some excuse or external scapegoat to explain away why the 'tech' didn't work, rather than stopping to consider that it might be based on a flawed theory and fundamentally unworkable.

it all reminds me of the stories of amateur tinkerers who have tried to build perpetual motion machines, believing that if they just add a bit more complexity of the right sort like another spring or set of gears, it will finally work, ignoring that their basic idea is just hopelessly flawed....

perpetual motion machine asa-112 - The Museum Of Appalachia

www.museumofappalachia.org

 

[TheSneakster]

Ah, "Curious Scientologist", if you are - in truth - a practicing Scientologist, Veda's "welcome" here is utterly false. He, a deceiver like the biblical Satan, only wishes to break your faith and end your practice of the subject.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Ah, "Curious Scientologist", if you are - in truth - a practicing Scientologist, Veda's "welcome" here is utterly false. He, a deceiver like the biblical Satan, only wishes to break your faith and end your practice of the subject.

I thought faith plays no role in the attitude of a Scientologist towards the subject. Are you claiming it does?

I do agree with you though in that there is a "deceiver like the biblical Satan" in the thread, but it's not Veda.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Ah, "Curious Scientologist", if you are - in truth - a practicing Scientologist, Veda's "welcome" here is utterly false. He, a deceiver like the biblical Satan, only wishes to break your faith and end your practice of the subject.

Excellent r-factor on Veda. I had suspected for some time that he was working undercover for Satan and/or possibly (himself) the Anti-Christ. But then I recalled that Ron is the Anti-Christ so it gets confusing and my own faith in Scientology began to become shaky after reading your post.

If there are other Scientologists here, like myself, who feel that their faith in Ron and the tech are being broken by SPs (Satanic People) I would strongly recommend attending Sunday services at any of the outstanding Independent Scientology churches around the world. Why just yesterday I went to a Sunday Sermon at an indie mission near my home and it really helped restore my faith--especially the part where they brought out the snakes and we had to handle them while keeping our TR-O perfectly in, so the snakes would not bite and kill our mest-body impediments.

SUMMARY: Scientologists! Keep the faith. Write your letters of disconnection to Satan today!


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[HelluvaHoax!]

I thought faith plays no role in the attitude of a Scientologist towards the subject. Are you claiming it does?

I can duplicate your confusion. Here is the r-factorish stable datum with which to align all the divergent data.

Scientology is a philosophy AND it is a religion AND it is a science AND it is also a faith based applied superstition.

Scientology has something for everyone!


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[Type4_PTS]

I can duplicate your confusion. Here is the r-factorish stable datum with which to align all the divergent data.

Scientology is a philosophy AND it is a religion AND it is a science AND it is also a faith based applied superstition.

Scientology has something for everyone!


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[HelluvaHoax!]

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"He (Veda) only wishes to break your
faith and end your practice of the subject."
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Nice r-factor!

However, much as I tried, I totally bogged down on the clay demo.

Here's the problem. How in the world can someone "break your faith" in a con man's fraudulent promises?

Isn't it the con man who "broke your faith" in reality?

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SPECIAL OFFER: For those of you who have somehow been able to work your way thru these troubling times and keep your faith, we're having a 5% off sale today on the LRH audio lecture where he explains how he was able to become the first being in the universe to safely make it thru the Gorilla Goal Implants from 317 quadrillion years ago! Ron did all this wholetrack miraculous research for you, so be sure to take advantage of it while there is still a chance we can escape the MEST trap! This is a collector's version which is why the lecture costs $675 each--because our sound engineers meticulously restored the audio to its original quality, the way Ron would have wanted. I compared the collector's edition to the original and there is simply no comparison! For starters, they removed the sound of a car that briefly beeped it's horn once at 49:28 of the lecture. And after Ron ended the lecture, during the applause they also removed the sound of someone who coughed. ​

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[Bill]

Ah, "Curious Scientologist", if you are - in truth - a practicing Scientologist, Veda's "welcome" here is utterly false. He, a deceiver like the biblical Satan, only wishes to break your faith and end your practice of the subject.

All my life, I have worked to find the best way to do the various things in my life: Computers, cars, diet, exercise, etc. I often read or hear about other ways to do things. I welcome these other ways to do things. Sometimes I accept and adopt these new ways, sometimes I reject them. I never get upset. I never worry about "breaking my faith" in rejecting less workable technology.

But when I was in Scientology, and ONLY when I was in Scientology, I was told to never, ever, ever look at or (God forbid) USE better ways to handle my life or help others.

Oh, but sure! Warn people not to look, not to read, not to listen. Yeah, THAT'S the way to live your best life.

 

[onceuponatime]

If you're curious feel free to join and post your questions. OSA isn't all it's cracked out to be. As long as you refrain from posting details about your personal life/experience the chances of being found out are very low.

 

[guanoloco]

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"He (Veda) only wishes to break your
faith and end your practice of the subject."
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Nice r-factor!

However, much as I tried, I totally bogged down on the clay demo.

Here's the problem. How in the world can someone "break your faith" in a con man's fraudulent promises?

Isn't it the con man who "broke your faith" in reality?

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SPECIAL OFFER: For those of you who have somehow been able to work your way thru these troubling times and keep your faith, we're having a 5% off sale today on the LRH audio lecture where he explains how he was able to become the first being in the universe to safely make it thru the Gorilla Goal Implants from 317 quadrillion years ago! Ron did all this wholetrack miraculous research for you, so be sure to take advantage of it while there is still a chance we can escape the MEST trap! This is a collector's version which is why the lecture costs $675 each--because our sound engineers meticulously restored the audio to its original quality, the way Ron would have wanted. I compared the collector's edition to the original and there is simply no comparison! For starters, they removed the sound of a car that briefly beeped it's horn once at 49:28 of the lecture. And after Ron ended the lecture, during the applause they also removed the sound of someone who coughed. ​

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Veda is a whole track prison warden. Tommy Davis was hilarious.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Veda is a whole track prison warden. Tommy Davis was hilarious.

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LOL!

Tommy Davis was a man of great faith!

0:4:20 - 0:5:20

Davis had great faith that (although he was holding a press conference for "wog" news reporters) they would somehow magically know what the term "WHOLETRACK PRISON WARDEN" meant.

That's what happens when you have faith in Scientology and its infallible gurus, Dr. Hubbard and Minister Miscavige—you very badly lose touch with reality and delusionally descend into self-righteously rageful rants.

At the very least, Davis could have extended the courtesy to those reporters of providing them with some paperclips and used batteries, in order to demo out the concept of "wholetrack warden".

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[ILove2Lurk]

that seems to me to typify the pattern of always looking, over and over and over, for some excuse or external scapegoat to explain away why the 'tech' didn't work, rather than stopping to consider that it might be based on a flawed theory and fundamentally unworkable.

Again, bingo! That's the "main cognition" of the highest ESMB level -- sorta like the OT8
"truth revealed' thingie one achieves. Nothing more needs to be said.
I'll make up a certificate for you one day when I have time. Not kidding . . . I will.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Again, bingo! That's the "main cognition" of the highest ESMB level -- sorta like the OT8
"truth revealed' thingie one achieves. Nothing more needs to be said.
I'll make up a certificate for you one day when I have time. Not kidding . . . I will.

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Great idea!

But I am now wondering if your "Certifications & Awards" department will also be issuing other bling to ESMB members, like lapel pins, ornate bowling trophies and impressive sounding "statuses"?

I am thinking ESMB could attract millions of Scientologists/Indies if we simply offered a really impressive hierarchy of impressively ascendant titles like the IAS awards--and that I am convinced would create a feeding frenzy of new members trying to outdo each other.

For those still on the Bridge, we should try to use terms that are familiar to them. For example if an Indie Scientologist began to have some dormant but creeping doubts that Scientology produced magically powered OTs, they could be given a lapel pin that signifies they are a HALF-TRACK PRISON WARDEN.

Later, if they eventually figure it out and blow from Hubbard's hoax, they would naturally be given the full award status of WHOLE-TRACK PRISON WARDEN.

Just trying to help boost membership here.


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[guanoloco]

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Great idea!

But I am now wondering if your "Certifications & Awards" department will also be issuing other bling to ESMB members, like lapel pins, ornate bowling trophies and impressive sounding "statuses"?

I am thinking ESMB could attract millions of Scientologists/Indies if we simply offered a really impressive hierarchy of impressively ascendant titles like the IAS awards--and that I am convinced would create a feeding frenzy of new members trying to outdo each other.

For those still on the Bridge, we should try to use terms that are familiar to them. For example if an Indie Scientologist began to have some dormant but creeping doubts that Scientology produced magically powered OTs, they could be given a lapel pin that signifies they are a HALF-TRACK PRISON WARDEN.

Later, if they eventually figure it out and blow from Hubbard's hoax, they would naturally be given the full award status of WHOLE-TRACK PRISON WARDEN.

Just trying to help boost membership here.


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Never be a half-ass - always be a full-ass! Especially when doing a half-ack or a full-ack.

- L. Don Hubbard

 

[Veda]

that seems to me to typify the pattern of always looking, over and over and over, for some excuse or external scapegoat to explain away why the 'tech' didn't work, rather than stopping to consider that it might be based on a flawed theory and fundamentally unworkable.

it all reminds me of the stories of amateur tinkerers who have tried to build perpetual motion machines, believing that if they just add a bit more complexity of the right sort like another spring or set of gears, it will finally work, ignoring that their basic idea is just hopelessly flawed....

perpetual motion machine asa-112 - The Museum Of Appalachia

www.museumofappalachia.org

During the period of Scientology's greatest expansion, the top of "Bridge" Grade Chart was the ability to be TOTALLY FREE AND AT TOTAL CAUSE.

TOTAL POWER. This, combined with the idea that each Scientologist is an Infinite Mind, was a tremendous ego rush for Scientologists.

In his book Magick in Theory and Practice, Aleister Crowley wrote: "The whole and sole object of all true Magickal training is to become free of every kind of limitation."

During late 1952, Hubbard gave a series of lectures where he referred to Aleister Crowley: "Our whole activity tends to make an individual completely independent of any limitation... Old Aleister Crowley had some interesting things to say about this..."

Aleister Crowley self portrait


Crowley wrote, "The Great Work is the raising of the whole man... to the power of infinity."

The ultimate ego trip and also, if it were possible, great fun.​

The title of Hubbard's book Scientology 8-8008 means just that.

The "whole man," of course, includes the ego.

From Scientology 8-8008:

"Infinite mind is individualistic. All mankind does not depend upon or share a portion of the infinite mind. On the contrary, the highest individualism attainable is the individualism of the infinite mind. It was beyond the power and grasp of the intellect applying itself to the field of philosophy, to conceive of a multiplicity of infinite minds..."

Hubbard must have known that there would be disappointment, and confusion, when original (mysterious, but never actually existed, 1960s era) OT 8 disappeared and was replaced with New OT 8.

Awkward.

Scientologists like to chant that "the tech works," and parts of "the tech" do "work" sometimes, to varying extent.

The lonely old lady does feel better after being acknowledged.

But it's a long way from feeling better, once a messy room has been tidied, to TOTAL POWER.

There are thousands of pieces of "tech."

One piece of "tech working," once, can be enough to hook someone.

Letting a person know that the one piece of "tech," that sold them on Scientology, is not representative of the rest of the subject, can loosen the glue.

 

[Riddick]

that seems to me to typify the pattern of always looking, over and over and over, for some excuse or external scapegoat to explain away why the 'tech' didn't work, rather than stopping to consider that it might be based on a flawed theory and fundamentally unworkable.

it all reminds me of the stories of amateur tinkerers who have tried to build perpetual motion machines, believing that if they just add a bit more complexity of the right sort like another spring or set of gears, it will finally work, ignoring that their basic idea is just hopelessly flawed....

perpetual motion machine asa-112 - The Museum Of Appalachia

www.museumofappalachia.org

well, Hubbard did admit he failed, as he told Steve Paugh or however you spell his last name. Tony O made a post on the interview. Hubbard should have told Steve to tell scientologists to go home and stop being involved with scientology for I, Hubbard, have failed. But chicken shit Steve didn't have the balls to tell what Hubbard told him in private for fear of his life. And asshole Hubbard should have wrote one of his rhetoric speeches saying that he failed. Unbelievable this crock of shit called dianetics and scientology.