WHY RON'S 100% WORKABLE TECH DID NOT WORK ON RON

PirateAndBum

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QUESTION: How did Mary Sue Hubbard know what reads LRH had if she was not in the auditing room? We should recall that at a later point in time Mary Sue Hubbard became quite incensed with Ron and accused him of being a CHARLATAN because she personally (despite all the best auditing) had never once gone "exterior". So, Mary Sue was not exterior and inside the auditing room when Otto Roos gave Ron those auditing sessions. Is there some other OT superpower by which she would know if Ron had "such reads" or not?!

QUESTION: How bizarre is it that OTTO ROOS was the same OT who Ron assigned to audit Mary Sue on every single one of the processes and rundowns that produced the state of Clear. And after about 13 "guaranteed" processes that "always exteriorized the being", Mary Sue threw a fit and refused to be audited any more. I don't understand how it works, OTTO is the SP that wrote down fake ROCK SLAMS in Ron's worksheets, but he is the most ethical auditor that Ron assigns to audit Mary Sue? LOL

QUESTION: Was it out ethics for Ron to slug Otto Roos in the jaw? Wouldn't the fact that Ron threw a hundred dollar bill at Roos afterwards pretty much prove that Ron's exchange was really in? I'm not seeing where there is any out-ethics here. Anyone?
Because Mary Sue was Ron's auditor. Right up until he got off the withold in session with MSH that he'd molested their daughter Diana....
 

Chuck J.

Election Fraud Has Consequences
Theory three
Hubbard never got the 200 rock slams that Otto Roos found in his PC folder handled.
Hubbard blew up. Mary Sue Hubbard declared that LRH did not "have such reads."
Instead, Hubbard punched Otto in the jaw and threw him off the ship with $100.

He was that kinda guy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Exactly.
1972.
Mary Sue covered for him.
They gas-lighted Otto Roos together.
"Those are not Rock Slams!"
Hubbard was afraid of what people would think of him and would talk behind his back. Terrified of it.
Would a Big Bean be scared of that?
 
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freethinker

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Didn't you always wonder how he came to rise above the bank?

Turns out the way he rose above the bank was by taking DRUGS. How's that for a juicy missed withold?
People take drugs to get rid of the fear. They can do that without drugs. Drugs create a deeper fear.
 

freethinker

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Exactly.
1972.
Mary Sue covered for him.
They gas-lighted Otto Roos together.
"Those are not Rock Slams!"
Hubbard was afraid of what people would think of him and would talk behind his back. Terrified of it.
Would a Big Bean be scared of that?
If he takes drugs, yeah.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Because Mary Sue was Ron's auditor. Right up until he got off the withhold in session with MSH that he'd molested their daughter Diana....
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Wait, is that a thing? That actually happened? I never heard/read anything about that before. I just searched for any stories about that and only came up with one brief reference to the alleged incident. (LINK HERE).

Are there other credible witnesses, links, stories or corroboration? Seems like quite the bombshell, I am surprised I never ran across this before.

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programmer_guy

True ex-Scientologist
Didn't you always wonder how he came to rise above the bank?

Turns out the way he rose above the bank was by taking DRUGS. How's that for a juicy missed withold?
Yes, Hubbard said that he was taking "pinks and grays".
(I am trying to remember if he said that in a letter to Mary Sue.)
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
Are there other credible witnesses, links, stories or corroboration? Seems like quite the bombshell, I am surprised I never ran across this before.
I'm a Class 12 in scientology history :LOL: . . . I've heard about that allegation,
but I don't buy it. I've dismissed it. People BS on the Internet at times . . . or so
I've been told. :whistle:
 
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Marko Ex

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Scientologists like to say, "The tech works!" "THE Tech works!" they shout with great confidence.

In his book Science and Sanity published in 1935, Korzybski wrote of tagging dates and indexing. He was addressing, in essence, the importance of being specific.

Hubbard "borrowed" much from Korzybski and copied many of Korzybski's ideas.

To make a long story short, many years later Hubbard made a "discovery," and it was that upsets are based on generalities. This was pure Korzybski.

Caveat: It didn't take long for Hubbard to eclipse his "upsets" announcement with another announcement that criticism derives from undisclosed evil deeds. (There's a back story attached to this where Hubbard confides in Bill Franks and David Mayo that he had to attribute "ARC breaks" to "overts" to maintain control.) In any event, before wandering too deeply into the weeds, the point is that there is no "the tech," there are only myriad pieces of "tech."

If we are to be honest, we don't know that every piece of the hodgepodge called "the tech" failed to "work" on "Ron." Perhaps some pieces did, who knows? The difficulty with that would be that he would, on some level, regard any "working" as an "invalidation."

"The only aberration is self invalidation," wrote Hubbard, and he seems to have believed this as regards himself, but not other people.

Other people were full of aberrations, to be put under a microscope, revealing even more aberrations.

But not Hubbard. He was Source with a capital "S."



This photo - measuring roughly three and a half feet by four feet - was displayed in every Scientology Academy,
and at Scientology events, during Scientology's period of greatest expansion during the 1960s and 1970s, and into the 1980s.

According to Hubbard, he "rose above the bank." He also stated he does not have "R6." (An additional type of bank. "Bank" = "reactive mind.") So having aberrations, as Scientologists have aberrations, was a giant "invalidation" for Hubbard.

Thus Hubbard auditing himself did not go well, and being assigned to be an auditor for Hubbard was a virtual death sentence.

Hubbard had violated his own rule, made years before the appearance of Scientology, that his psychology is for use on others only.

Now back to the point: There is no "THE tech," there are only many pieces of so called "tech."

And many of these pieces are derived from other than Hubbard and, perhaps, some might even be derived from Hubbard. Who knows? Even a megalomaniac can have a flash of brilliance. It doesn't make my world explode to think that might have occurred.

That's why some people sift through Scientology, and keep and use bits and pieces of Scientology.

They see it as lots of little pieces, some useful some not, not as a big malodorous blob, or as Scientologists see it, as a giant, beautiful, and powerful monolith decorated with Hubbard's name or initials.




Scientology dictator, David Miscavige, under a giant stylized LRH monogram

It would it be a "third dynamic secondary engram" if that the giant monogram ever broke loose and fell on Miscavige, crushing him - even styrofoam, if there's enough of it, can have a lot of weight. Or, perhaps, for some in the audience, it might be a secret "pleasure moment" to finally be rid of the tiny terror.

Terrible thoughts! that would no doubt require a "C/S" for "Security Checking" followed by the "False Purpose Rundown," and maybe even indefinite confinement, by Scientology, as a "psycho" being given the "Introspection Rundown."
"Okay, okay, okay" (Denzel Washington voice)
Perhaps it's waaaay simpler.
The games maker is not subject to the rules if the game.😎
 

Marko Ex

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What would RON post on this thread? Let's ask him. . .

Hey Ron! Would you mind telling us again why
your miraculous tech simply does not work on some people?

Jeez, I got a strange feeling of deja vu when I read Ron's description. It
reminded me of someone, but I couldn't quite put my finger on who. To
be honest it's kind of driving me nuts that I can't spot my SP. Well, on the
positive side at least we are very fortunate that Ron hatted us on this subject
so that we could all, at least, try to find our SP.

Did anyone else reading Ron's description above spot an SP who matched that description?


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But, but, but...Mankind's Greatest Friend, Traverser Of The Wall Of Fire, the Original OT(Oppressive Tyrant), The Great Intergallactic Bon Vivant???
YES!😂😂😂
 

guanoloco

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It is my opinion that LRH was not capable of case gain because he was committing continuous overts.
Perhaps in an inadvertent way you exposed the whole crux of Scientology.

It's possible that Hu666ard viewed "case" as the guilty conscience of "wogs". This is what the "bank" is. Everything is wrapped around overts and withholds. That's the answer to everything.

All over his private writings he was "above" this and "outside" of this. Karma didn't affect Ron...or so he wrote. This would be the overt/motivator sequence or something.

If Hu666ard rose above the bank...then he rose above the overt/motivator sequence...which means he was above the whole overt/withhold mechanics.

That's Ron's "Total Freedom".
 

HelluvaHoax!

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"Okay, okay, okay" (Denzel Washington voice)
Perhaps it's waaaay simpler. The games maker is not subject to the rules if the game.😎
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LOL!

* * * SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE! * * *


Obviously Denzel is an upper level OT who has done extensive training—
which is where he acquired his total mastery of tone 40 TR-2!



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Veda

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"Okay, okay, okay" (Denzel Washington voice)
Perhaps it's waaaay simpler.
The games maker is not subject to the rules if the game.😎
Background may not interest you but, for others who may curious, here's a little more detail:

Yes, the "maker of games" quote was an early statement made around the same time that Hubbard mentioned (alleged ancient Chinese) Wang the Innovator, who established systems for others. Wang was a wild man, who did not follow his own rules.

An earlier inkling, revealing this pattern, was Hubbard responding, during a lecture, about how he condemned alcohol consumption in DMSMH. When asked about why he condemned alcohol, and yet drank alcohol, he responded by dismissing the question as a non sequitur. :)
 

Marko Ex

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Background may not interest you but, for others who may curious, here's a little more detail:

Yes, the "maker of games" quote was an early statement made around the same time that Hubbard mentioned (alleged ancient Chinese) Wang the Innovator, who established systems for others. Wang was a wild man, who did not follow his own rules.

An earlier inkling, revealing this pattern, was Hubbard responding, during a lecture, about how he condemned alcohol consumption in DMSMH. When asked about why he condemned alcohol, and yet drank alcohol, he responded by dismissing the question as a non sequitur. :)
🙌😂😂😂😂😂🙌😈
 

HelluvaHoax!

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It is my opinion that there is no such thing as "case" ... with or without continuous "overts".

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Apparently you did not read the sign posted over the door as you entered your first Church of Scientology:

We of the Church believe that:

All beings are basically not ideal, because they have a "case".
To become ideal all beings must purchase case-resolution sessions.
If a being's case does not resolve, the being is an inherently non-ideal being (SP).
If a being does not believe they have a case, that is part of their case.
The being's case cannot be understood, mastered nor vanquished by the being alone.
The only terminals who can help the being clear their case are the spiritual erasure specialists otherwise known as the Case Supervisor and Case Registrar.
Denial of one's case is a high crime punishable by the issuance of a written declaration--called a "Revised Tech Estimate".
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PirateAndBum

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Wait, is that a thing? That actually happened? I never heard/read anything about that before. I just searched for any stories about that and only came up with one brief reference to the alleged incident. (LINK HERE).

Are there other credible witnesses, links, stories or corroboration? Seems like quite the bombshell, I am surprised I never ran across this before.

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Jon Atack related that in the recent video interview with Andy Nolch.
 

Riddick

I clap to no man
It is my opinion that there is no such thing as "case" ... with or without continuous "overts".

:)
what you wrote basically says we was persuaded we had a case. That's rhetoric. Well done.
 
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what you wrote basically says we was persuaded we had a case. That's rhetoric. Well done.
So in your ridiculous spin of definitions and meanings, anything that isn’t true is rhetoric.

Well done yourself for stretching the word to such huge generality that it is virtually meaningless. I know it’s your fave word and it is extremely difficult for you to write two posts on a thread without using it, but maybe you should get that word compulsion of yours under control and expand your vocabulary bit.

I prefer to use more explicit words for lying, cons and falsehoods like the words “lying,” “cons”and “falsehoods”. Your cult of rhetorical nonsense is, itself, rhetorical nonsense.
 

Riddick

I clap to no man
So in your ridiculous spin of definitions and meanings, anything that isn’t true is rhetoric.

Well done yourself for stretching the word to such huge generality that it is virtually meaningless. I know it’s your fave word and it is extremely difficult for you to write two posts on a thread without using it, but maybe you should get that word compulsion of yours under control and expand your vocabulary bit.

I prefer to use more explicit words for lying, cons and falsehoods like the words “lying,” “cons”and “falsehoods”. Your cult of rhetorical nonsense is, itself, rhetorical nonsense.
I know rhetoric is a difficult concept to understand, much like the word sublime, both rhetoric and sublime in philosophy are hard to understand, if you learn them, you'll see. Todays education system doesn't quite teach them. Both the rhetoric and sublime are quite simple, once you see.

There's no reason to disparage me, I 'm just saying what I see, the unknown about Hubbard and his means to create a following.
 
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