What is the post of Diana Hubbard in the Sea Org?

[Nosy_Creature]

Does she work with David Miscavige?

Does she say to David Miscavige in some occasions: "No, no, we can't do that." or "Dave, we must do..."?

How does she feels that he is on top of all orgs?

Did she do the OT levels? All the way?

Is she married now? To whom?

Where does she live?

Are her ex husband and her kid and grandkids Scientologists?

Is she in contact with her siblings?

What kind of personality does she have?

 

[Deleted member 51]

Diana Hubbard was former CS-6 in the 70s. Commodores Staff in charge of Division 6. Division 6 does broad distribution and promotion of Scientology. Then she was a singer and pianist for a while and maybe had some posts in between.

Since L Ron Hubbard hisself put darling daughter Diana on the "Never to be Posted as an Exec Again" list, she hasn't had much luck getting any sweet senior positions in Scn, but who knows, that may change.

She's still in Scientology but I don't think she is doing anything active in the Sea Org.

 

[pineapple]

Since L Ron Hubbard hisself put darling daughter Diana on the "Never to be Posted as an Exec Again" list, she hasn't had much luck getting any sweet senior positions in Scn, but who knows, that may change.

What did Diana do to get herself on the "Never to be Posted as an Exec Again" list?

 

[Deleted member 51]

What did Diana do to get herself on the "Never to be Posted as an Exec Again" list?

I think it was Cowboy that confirmed she was on that list and maybe someone else also mentioned it.

She had been put in charge of Division 6 again in the Int Strata and apparently was hardly ever there, not answering things, not handling anything. But that's all second and third hand. I don't have any personal knowledge.

It might be in this thread:

Never to Be Posted As An Executive Again

L Ron Hubbard used to write issues naming individuals, "Never to Be Posted as an Executive Again." Did you all know this? Does anyone else remember?...

www.forum.exscn.net

 

[Lulu Belle]

I think it was Cowboy that confirmed she was on that list and maybe someone else also mentioned it.

She had been put in charge of Division 6 again in the Int Strata and apparently was hardly ever there, not answering things, not handling anything. But that's all second and third hand. I don't have any personal knowledge.

It might be in this thread:

Never to Be Posted As An Executive Again

L Ron Hubbard used to write issues naming individuals, "Never to Be Posted as an Executive Again." Did you all know this? Does anyone else remember?...

www.forum.exscn.net

I had heard she was on that list, too. I think I heard it when I was still in the Sea Org.

 

[Nosy_Creature]

This is the first time I heard that she shouldn't hold any executive job and that her father ordered this.

Doesn't make sense to me as isn't there a RPF for cases like this, e.g. notorious non-producers?

 

[Deleted member 51]

This is the first time I heard that she shouldn't hold any executive job and that her father ordered this.

Doesn't make sense to me as isn't there a RPF for cases like this, e.g. notorious non-producers?

You might want to familiarize yourself with the thread I linked.

Here are some threads about the RPF so you can get your questions about it answered. Wikipedia gives a very good description. Just Google it.

Rehabilitation Project Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ex Scientologist - ANNE ROSENBLUM - Rules of the RPF

 

[O Tease]

Diana Hubbard was former CS-6 in the 70s. Commodores Staff in charge of Division 6. Division 6 does broad distribution and promotion of Scientology. Then she was a singer and pianist for a while and maybe had some posts in between.

Since L Ron Hubbard hisself put darling daughter Diana on the "Never to be Posted as an Exec Again" list, she hasn't had much luck getting any sweet senior positions in Scn, but who knows, that may change.

She's still in Scientology but I don't think she is doing anything active in the Sea Org.

I know this will sound outrageous but let it sink in.
"Since L Ron Hubbard hisself put darling daughter Diana on the "Never to be Posted as an Exec Again" list..." - Sheila
Isn't this LRH's typical mode of operation in that he would put out some subterfuge such as this prior to posting Diana as an exec? She doesn't come and go freely around there without good reason. Wouldn't surprise me if she's been the real COB all along while using Miscavige as her stooge as convoluted as that seems. The Hubbard family would seem a devious and treacherous one and whatever appears to be the case rarely is. I'm just speculating but nothing surprises me anymore. His pretense that he wasn't running the show would clearly be the plan in place for another family member to secretly take things over for the same reasons.

 

[Deleted member 51]

I know this will sound outrageous but let it sink in.
"Since L Ron Hubbard hisself put darling daughter Diana on the "Never to be Posted as an Exec Again" list..." - Sheila
Isn't this LRH's typical mode of operation in that he would put out some subterfuge such as this prior to posting Diana as an exec? She doesn't come and go freely around there without good reason. Wouldn't surprise me if she's been the real COB all along while using Miscavige as her stooge as convoluted as that seems. The Hubbard family would seem a devious and treacherous one and whatever appears to be the case rarely is. I'm just speculating but nothing surprises me anymore. His pretense that he wasn't running the show would clearly be the plan in place for another family member to secretly take things over for the same reasons.

Nah. You let your imagination run away with you. None of L Ron’s kids were known to be mean or devious. They were/are all nice, especially Quentin and Suzette. Just L Ron and his chosen henchmen like DM were abusive cult leader types.

That Diana made it to that list is proof enough that she didn’t share her father’s thirst for power and tyrannical control. It’s a badge of honor, like being declared SP. I can’t imagine why she hasn’t left yet when the rest of the Hubbard family are all out.

 

[O Tease]

Nah. You let your imagination run away with you. None of L Ron’s kids were known to be mean or devious. They were/are all nice, especially Quentin and Suzette. Just L Ron and his chosen henchmen like DM were abusive cult leader types.

That Diana made it to that list is proof enough that she didn’t share her father’s thirst for power and tyrannical control. It’s a badge of honor, like being declared SP. I can’t imagine why she hasn’t left yet when the rest of the Hubbard family are all out.

But folks have long since said that there has never been any evidence of LRH appointing DM as his successor. Then who did? He himself? That could be true but it is extremely common for heads of businesses, which is all SCN is, to appoint their child or children as their successors, happens all the time in fact. It happened in my family and it would have been impossible for some self promoting con man to bypass that process and rise to the top just on guile. LRH's long time attorney, Earl Coolly I think was the name, would have guided the process along from the get go. In fact he executed the will. I've wondered if DM isn't just a hired gun to enforce the unpleasant polices of LRH where his children didn't wish to dirty their hands. Mary Sue getting a life lease on her house with a personal attendant has been spun as though she was in some type of RPF type of a situation but perhaps she was well cared for as a stipulation of the will. Coolly as a long time family friend would have insisted on something like that. Just food for thought. We know that Ron secretly ran SCN through all manner of subterfuge so I'm just saying that this same pattern would tend to repeat itself through his family after he died. It's what they know best. One looks for repeatable patterns when exploring a subject.

 

[Deleted member 51]

That's silly. COS doesn't need any of the Hubbard children. DM has ensured all the assets were signed over to COS when Hubbard died and he runs things now.

 

[Deleted member 51]

Here are some links for you on Hubbard's death:

The Church of Scientology's Great Big Lie About the Death of Founder L. Ron Hubbard

The Real Truth About the Death of Scientology Founder L. Ron Hubbard. Documents include the Official Coroner's Toxicology and Autopsy Report.

scientologymoneyproject.com

https://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbardcoroner/

The Mind Behind the Religion : Chapter Four : The Final Days : Deep in hiding, Hubbard kept tight grip on the church.

Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard often said that man's most basic drive is that of survival.

www.latimes.com

30 years ago today: ‘L. Ron Hubbard discarded the body he had used in this lifetime’ | The Underground Bunker

tonyortega.org

 

[O Tease]

Here are some links for you on Hubbard's death:

The Church of Scientology's Great Big Lie About the Death of Founder L. Ron Hubbard

The Real Truth About the Death of Scientology Founder L. Ron Hubbard. Documents include the Official Coroner's Toxicology and Autopsy Report.

scientologymoneyproject.com

https://www.xenu.net/archive/hubbardcoroner/

The Mind Behind the Religion : Chapter Four : The Final Days : Deep in hiding, Hubbard kept tight grip on the church.

Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard often said that man's most basic drive is that of survival.

www.latimes.com

30 years ago today: ‘L. Ron Hubbard discarded the body he had used in this lifetime’ | The Underground Bunker

tonyortega.org

Thank you. Yes, I've seen all of that countless times before. What I've never seen is the original will and the one supposedly signed days prior to his death. Anyone have that? As a raging megalomaniac, I can't see Hubbard signing over his interests and monies in the cult over to anyone who didn't wear his own last name who was also a vessel of his own blood.

 

[Deleted member 51]

No, I don't remember seeing the will online, but there were a lot of documents available when the will was challenged. They are no longer online that I know and the original legal challenge didn't really go anywhere. Nobody talked about it afterward, so it would be reasonable to assume there were out of court settlements of some kind with agreements with COS to remain silent about it.

You'll have to dig a lot deeper than the Internet to find those, if you can. They could be legally sealed, IDK. I wasn't in upper management so have no personal knowledge.

ADDED: Hubbard was sick and per reports, had symptoms of dementia. He might or might not have signed anything. However, since there are no official medical statements of his dementia and his personal physician, Dr. Gene Denk, was a dedicated Scientologist sworn to secrecy and is now dead, there is not enough evidence to challenge the will as signed under duress or during a time he was mentally incompetent. Hubbard was never declared mentally incompetent and avoided non-Scn doctors and hospitals whenever possible.

 

[Paul Adams]

Puppets are very visible in the political space when they have to say things live. Speeches, where one reads off a teleprompter, don't reveal much beyond the unwillingness to talk off the cuff. Live debates can be interesting, but can also be stage-managed. I like events such as Putin's annual press conference, streamed live. He has done 14 of them to date, the 2018 one being 3 hours 44 minutes long. He answers questions from Russian and foreign journalists, including hardball ones, without notes. If someone thinks Putin is a mere puppet, I invite them to watch any of these, easily findable online.

Miscavige a puppet? I don't recall anyone (SO defectors from Int or his inner circle) ever saying he doesn't call the shots personally.

Similarly, I don't recall anyone ever talking about Diana being an incisive exec, running some key department or whatever.

One can speculate anything in a vacuum. But on this subject there is lots of data from people who were there.

 

[Paul Adams]

ADDED: Hubbard was sick and per reports, had symptoms of dementia. He might or might not have signed anything. However, since there are no official medical statements of his dementia and his personal physician, Dr. Gene Denk, was a dedicated Scientologist sworn to secrecy and is now dead, there is not enough evidence to challenge the will as signed under duress or during a time he was mentally incompetent. Hubbard was never declared mentally incompetent and avoided non-Scn doctors and hospitals whenever possible.

There are many posts/threads about the will and associated documents on ESMB. I can't be bothered to hunt them up. I remember spending several hours on it at the time. He suffered from "aphasia" after the stroke(s). This is officially documented. I believe Denk wrote it. I remember looking at standard LRH signatures on a couple of documents dated within 48 hours of his death, and thinking you gotta be kidding. However, suspecting fraud and proving it are not the same thing.

 

[O Tease]

Puppets are very visible in the political space when they have to say things live. Speeches, where one reads off a teleprompter, don't reveal much beyond the unwillingness to talk off the cuff. Live debates can be interesting, but can also be stage-managed. I like events such as Putin's annual press conference, streamed live. He has done 14 of them to date, the 2018 one being 3 hours 44 minutes long. He answers questions from Russian and foreign journalists, including hardball ones, without notes. If someone thinks Putin is a mere puppet, I invite them to watch any of these, easily findable online.

Miscavige a puppet? I don't recall anyone (SO defectors from Int or his inner circle) ever saying he doesn't call the shots personally.

Similarly, I don't recall anyone ever talking about Diana being an incisive exec, running some key department or whatever.

One can speculate anything in a vacuum. But on this subject there is lots of data from people who were there.

Speaking of vacuums, you stayed in for decades, did you not? What was the clue that finally got your out? Did you know what was really going on in senior management or was everything compartmentalized for the sake of secrecy or for what other possible reason? Some caught on early and left while others had to have Scientology kick them to the curb and leave them before they ever took an honest look and endeavored to let go of it all. Sometimes successfully and sometime not. What's important in the end is that we all get out sooner or later.

 

[Enthetan]

Speaking of vacuums, you stayed in for decades, did you not? What was the clue that finally got your out? Did you know what was really going on in senior management or was everything compartmentalized for the sake of secrecy or for what other possible reason? Some caught on early and left while others had to have Scientology kick them to the curb and leave them before they ever took an honest look and endeavored to let go of it all. Sometimes successfully and sometime not. What's important in the end is that we all get out sooner or later.

For me, what got me out of the SO was the realization that, if I stayed in much longer, it would be very hard to resume my old non-Scn career. So I had to decide "Is this something I see myself doing for the rest of my life? If not, leave now", and I left.

As far as deciding to leave Scn entirely, it was the Basics program, the chucking out of all the original LRH material, and replacing it all with new DM-approved material.

 

[Paul Adams]

Speaking of vacuums, you stayed in for decades, did you not? What was the clue that finally got your out?

I was in the SO 1972-96. The first hint that something material was wrong with the SO struck me about a year after I had left. Up to that point I was clueless. Really. My apparent (as I saw it) reason for leaving was personal injustice, getting bounced off post for no good reason just one time too many.

 

[O Tease]

The first hint that something material was wrong with the SO struck me about a year after I had left. Up to that point I was clueless. Really. My apparent (as I saw it) reason for leaving was personal injustice, getting bounced off post for no good reason just one time too many.

I was contemplating whether it was a fraud when the Power of Source came out and saw the photo's of Ron looking entirely deranged and my professional jazz musician friends laughed hysterically when they heard the album. Then while training on the grades I got recruited for staff and had the enormous costs of getting up the grade chart laid out for me with the idea that I'd save a ton of money if I joined staff. But I'd already seen that hardly any of the staff got any auditing and they turned up the heat on me. I got dragged into ethics and got assigned some condition like doubt or liability being told "I just don't see the dedication in you, coming in here on new motorcycles and clothing while those of us who are dedicated have given up all the WOG trappings. Why not you?"
I told him where to shove his condition assignment and went back on course and never heard another word about it from the EO. Then from the vantage point of class IV I determined there wasn't enough to hold me there and that either I'd be broke all my life trying to pay for "OT levels" that an OT had told me were bogus anyway or I'd walk away and just live my life. So I chose live my life.