What is the post of Diana Hubbard in the Sea Org?

[O Tease]

For me, what got me out of the SO was the realization that, if I stayed in much longer, it would be very hard to resume my old non-Scn career. So I had to decide "Is this something I see myself doing for the rest of my life? If not, leave now", and I left.

As far as deciding to leave Scn entirely, it was the Basics program, the chucking out of all the original LRH material, and replacing it all with new DM-approved material.

"As far as deciding to leave Scn entirely, it was the Basics program, the chucking out of all the original LRH material, and replacing it all with new DM-approved material."
What a grotesque tragedy that was. I saw that happening after I'd left and thought WTF? I began to wonder if DM wasn't destroying all which was Scientology intentionally.

 

[Enthetan]

"As far as deciding to leave Scn entirely, it was the Basics program, the chucking out of all the original LRH material, and replacing it all with new DM-approved material."
What a grotesque tragedy that was. I saw that happening after I'd left and thought WTF? I began to wonder if DM wasn't destroying all which was Scientology intentionally.

My conclusion was that it was all a ploy to get control of the copyrights to all the material. All the NEW editions are copyrighted by "Church of Spiritual Technology". A lot of the original books had copyrights assigned to Mary Sue or Hubbards kids, something I discovered when digging online at the copyright office website.

 

[Paul Adams]

I just checked a 2007 copy of Creation of Human Ability. Its copyright page says

© 1954, 1955,2006,2007 L. Ron Hubbard Library.
Artwork: © 2006 L. Ron Hubbard library.
All Rights Reserved.
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I have over 13,000 copyright registration records archived at FZ Global: Copyrights (I was bored!). There have been a large number of copyright reassignments over the years.

 

[marra]

Thank you. Yes, I've seen all of that countless times before. What I've never seen is the original will and the one supposedly signed days prior to his death. Anyone have that? As a raging megalomaniac, I can't see Hubbard signing over his interests and monies in the cult over to anyone who didn't wear his own last name who was also a vessel of his own blood.

I've mentoned this before on this message board but I'll repeat it here. In Robin Scott's book The Significance Of Scientology he says he had access to the document transferring LRH copyrights to RTC and he had it analyzed by a handwriting expert. The expert said the LRH signature was a forgery and the person who did it was the person who notarized the document - David Miscavige.

 

[Paul Adams]

I've mentoned this before on this message board but I'll repeat it here. In Robin Scott's book The Significance Of Scientology he says he had access to the document transferring LRH copyrights to RTC and he had it analyzed by a handwriting expert. The expert said the LRH signature was a forgery and the person who did it was the person who notarized the document - David Miscavige.

Yeah. I don't know if you are expecting some kind of OMFG! reaction. I don't know about the others here, but I would think it's common knowledge (with ESMB types) that DM is (apparently) responsible for all kinds of fraudulent actions regarding Hubbard and his intellectual properties. That Hubbard was murdered is also a possibility, but any evidence for that that I've seen is very flimsily circumstantial (prior DM statement and timing; also RVY essay), far more so than the oh-so-convenient timing of the pre-death paperwork and associated dubious signatures.

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I was a California notary for 6 years. There is very little personal handwriting a notary leaves behind on a notarised document, typically the date, notary's name, signer(s)' name(s), notary's signature. That some handwriting expert can definitively prove that DM wrote Hubbard's signature is ridiculous. Graphological "identification" is not like fingerprint identification, or DNA identification.

 

[O Tease]

Yeah. I don't know if you are expecting some kind of OMFG! reaction. I don't know about the others here, but I would think it's common knowledge (with ESMB types) that DM is (apparently) responsible for all kinds of fraudulent actions regarding Hubbard and his intellectual properties. That Hubbard was murdered is also a possibility, but any evidence for that that I've seen is very flimsily circumstantial (prior DM statement and timing; also RVY essay), far more so than the oh-so-convenient timing of the pre-death paperwork and associated dubious signatures.

I can't see anything that would indicate what kind of reaction that marra was looking for but he did provide a nice contribution to the thread and would think that kind of thing should be encouraged rather than spanked. Have you noticed the number of posters here has dwindled and wondered if there might be a reason for it?

 

[Paul Adams]

Sorry. Some of us like spanking. I'll try to be more considerate.

 

[O Tease]

Sorry. Some of us like spanking. I'll try to be more considerate.

Your alright with me but there has been no shortage of spankers among the escapees from Scientology, call it learned and reinforced behavior, LRH delighted in it.

 

[Deleted member 51]

I can't see anything that would indicate what kind of reaction that marra was looking for but he did provide a nice contribution to the thread and would think that kind of thing should be encouraged rather than spanked. Have you noticed the number of posters here has dwindled and wondered if there might be a reason for it?

Are you a moderator? Or do you normally join groups of people you don't know, then criticize them and attempt to dictate and control their behavior?

If you have a complaint, contact the Admin. If Marra wants to say something, Marra is a member and can speak for himself/herself.

For the record, I don't think Paul was rude. He simply stated his opinion and his opinion was not one that was in agreement with Marra's. I liked both their posts.

 

[O Tease]

Are you a moderator? Or do you normally join groups of people you don't know, then criticize them and attempt to dictate and control their behavior?

If you have a complaint, contact the Admin. If Marra wants to say something, Marra is a member and can speak for himself/herself.

For the record, I don't think Paul was rude. He simply stated his opinion and his opinion was not one that was in agreement with Marra's. I liked both their posts.

I put belligerent baboons on ignore. If I thought Paul was one I'd never see his posts. Like I'll never see another of yours.

 

[Karen#1]

Diana believes very much that Miscavige has "saved" Scientology and that he pulled off the tax exemption.
She is allowed on and off the base with a free pass.

She has never been in SP hole
She was raised on a ship where staff were thrown overboard for minor offenses so she sees nothing wrong with abusive punishment.
She believes she is being loyal to her father by staying the course.

Images : then and now.

 

[O Tease]

Diana believes very much that Miscavige has "saved" Scientology and that he pulled off the tax exemption.
She is allowed on and off the base with a free pass.

She has never been in SP hole
She was raised on a ship where staff were thrown overboard for minor offenses so she sees nothing wrong with abusive punishment.
She believes she is being loyal to her father by staying the course.

Images : then and now.

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Extremely insightful, concise yet covers so many questions just by stating what is her basis in being involved.! AAAA+++++

 

[stratty]

Diana believes very much that Miscavige has "saved" Scientology and that he pulled off the tax exemption.
She is allowed on and off the base with a free pass.

She has never been in SP hole
She was raised on a ship where staff were thrown overboard for minor offenses so she sees nothing wrong with abusive punishment.
She believes she is being loyal to her father by staying the course.

So she's a true believer but she's holding a copy of Paulette Coopers' book? I can't figure that one out.

 

[Karen#1]

So she's a true believer but she's holding a copy of Paulette Coopers' book? I can't figure that one out.

That book was shooped in. Internet fake imaging. It's what the cult do on their targets on their hate images

 

[Karen#1]

Diana always had a regal air.
But she did have an absence of feelings and emotions.

I "did the decks" with her at INT base in 1986. This is the only time I know she was sent to manual labor.
DECKS means you are DECKED to do slave labor.
The odors in the carpenter area were suffocating and one had to run out every few minutes just to breath oxygen.
Later I found out that Both nitrocellulose topcoats (lacquers) and acid-catalyzed coatings (conversion varnishes) contain solvents that are toxic to humans.
They give cancer to lab rats.
I would run out of the woodwork area gasping for air.
I have found it impossible to forgive Miscavige for my 6 months of torture but I am trying.

 

[stratty]

That book was shooped in. Internet fake imaging. It's what the cult do on their targets on their hate images

Now I'm even more confused than I was before. She believes very much that Miscavige has "saved" Scientology and that he pulled off the tax exemption and she is allowed on and off the base with a free pass, but the cult are shooping her photo the way they do with their 'hate images'?

 

[Karen#1]

The person who shooped the image was a critic who posted that image on the Bunker I believe.

 

[Deleted member 51]

I put belligerent baboons on ignore. If I thought Paul was one I'd never see his posts. Like I'll never see another of yours.

Oh settle down. I’m honest; get used to it.

Just sayin’, not everyone is easily offended. There are a lot of different ways to see the world. Paul is polite but won’t compromise his views or experience over social pressure. I respect that and hope you can be less judgmental and do the same.

 

[cakemaker]

Oh settle down. I’m honest; get used to it.

Just sayin’, not everyone is easily offended. There are a lot of different ways to see the world. Paul is polite but won’t compromise his views or experience over social pressure. I respect that and hope you can be less judgmental and do the same.

JustSheila is one of the best posters!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Diana believes very much that Miscavige has "saved" Scientology and that he pulled off the tax exemption.
She is allowed on and off the base with a free pass. She has never been in SP hole. She was raised on a ship where staff were thrown overboard for minor offenses so she sees nothing wrong with abusive punishment.
She believes she is being loyal to her father by staying the course.

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As in most things where Scientology has any influence, wherever and whenever Hubbard indoctrinated cult members with a belief, a "stable datum" or a "knowingness"---the exact opposite is true.

example: Let's take a 5 decade period of time (1950-2000) and do a survey of Hubbard's devotees, asking them how they would assess the Commodore's kids. The #1 answer would have been (paraphrasing): "...incredibly able beings, they are unbelievably OT to make it go right to pick up a body in Ron's family!"​

Unfortunately, when the movie is fast-forwarded to the 3rd act conclusion, it is shockingly discovered that the most un-able beings who are unbelievably not OT and made it go wrong to pick up a body in Ron's family--are Hubbard's kids. Well, both those choices are obvious nonsense, because they are predicated on the messianic mythology of mankind's greatest misanthrope. Nobody chooses to be raised by a sociopathic con man---thus the scions of Scion-tology were quickly posted as pr-props on Hubbard's "slave planet".

They had no choice in the matter, they just happen to have had the great misfortune of being born at cult ground zero.

Cue soundtrack: BORN UNDER A BAD SIGNTOLOGY

Born under a bad signtology
Been downstat since I began to crawl
If it wasn't for bad luck tech
You know, I wouldn't have no luck tech at all

Hard luck TRs and potential trouble sources
Been my only friend
I've been on my own RPF
Ever since I was ten
Born under a bad sign cult
Been downtone since I began to crawl
If it wasn't for bad luck indicators
You know, I wouldn't have no luck indicators at all

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