THE REAL OT8 THEY MAYBE REPLACED

[Buddy Thaytun.]

The above is the "original" OT VIII, the "Truth Revealed" that LRH promised us for so many years on that old Grade Chart hanging on the wall. It proved to be too unbelievable for most on the level, so they withdrew it and issued a replacement.

This (above) is the replacement.

The RONS Org OT VIII really has nothing to do with the CofS's OT VIII, other than sharing the number. It's like comparing Grade 3 with OT III.

RO OT VIII is called Excalibur, and is actually a replacement for Solo NOTs -- you might call it "Solo NOTs with something extra". It's pretty wild; Capt. Bill himself nicknamed it "Alice in Wonderland". So what is the RO equivalent of the Church's OT VIII? I'm not sure there is one.

I do have a complete copy of the "original" OT VIII, but it's only the first bulletin in the pack. If anyone has the rest of the pack, please let me know.

Helena

If you're right I wonder why OSA in Portland, OR Org in December of 1988 paid an ex Scn his requested full refund for services after verifying this HCOB with RTC???This ex Scn asked for a full refund ,was denied it per LRH HCOB ??, said he or she was going to give it to local news outlet ACTION NEWS unless he was paid.They verified it ,had him.or her sign an NDA and gave him his cash at the actual bank.Fred King OT VIII accompanied this individual to their bank and paid the full amount.Please explain.But, to be fair, there were more pages if rundowns & additional blurb NOT POSTED in here.

 

[Buddy Thaytun.]

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If Hubbard in fact wrote that, he had obviously already long-since lost his mind!

If, however, a Scientology copywriter wrote that after Hubbard unexpectedly dropped dead, then they had obviously lost their mind!

In either case, they had "clearly" not lost their reactive mind.

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I'm pretty sure LRH wrote it as it is very close to how he wrote.Also, someone I know threatened the CofS with giving this to a news channel if they weren't paid a full refund in Dec 1988.OSA lady said they'd need 2 or so days to verify it They verified and paid up.

 

[Buddy Thaytun.]

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This 1980 OT 8's "biogeneric meddling" by beings outside the physical universe is theory with no practical.

The first OT 8, of the late 1960s - "total power," etc. - displayed on Scientology's, then, Grade Chart, did not exist; although Hubbard said it did, and Scientologists, of course, believed Hubbard. This nonexistent late 1960s OT 8 was used to generate millions of dollars for Scientology and used to recruit. It also was used to motivate people to hand over their minds to "Hubbard Guidance Centers" for washing, rinsing, and re-washing. Plus, of course, Hubbardian implanting.

Then came the enigmatic 1980 OT 8 theory.

Finally, years later (around 1986), appeared New OT 8 which had been cut and pasted together by, then, senior Case Supervisor Ray Mithoff. That would be OT 8 number three for which the End Result - to paraphrase - is, "I don't know who I am but would like to find out."

I'm not going to read the whole thing again, but I recall that this 1980 OT 8 theory says, or implies, the processes of the Grade Chart didn't really work because of this meddling, and then provides no practical.

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This would be very bad for morale, and bad for business, and it's no wonder Miscavige made it disappear.

Bill Robertson, founder of the Free Zone, which, these days, is called Ron's Orgs, appears to have kept the idea going and even developed a level for it:

"Excalibur [Ron's Org OT 8] - handle the most secret and ancient barriers to OT, an organized attempt on the seventh dynamic to force one to conform to a lower state of awareness."

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Incidentally, this is the preferred OT 8, used by many independent Scientologists, such as the Dror Center in Israel.

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David Mayo told me that the 1980 OT 8 theory was handed to him by Pat Broeker.

Broeker was very excited about it, since it was something new from Hubbard, which David Mayo, as the Senior Case Supervisor International, was supposed to complete and finalize as OT 8. David Mayo never did anything with it, although it appears that Bill Robertson did.

According to David Mayo, Hubbard was medicated on a tranquilizer at the time to quell his anxiety. The medication would have been equivalent to a few glasses of rum, and was a substitute for the rum that Hubbard could no longer drink because of his pancreatitis, which was, itself, caused by decades of alcohol abuse.

This was the period when Hubbard's wife, Mary Sue, was in the process of being sentenced to federal prison for crimes committed under her husband's direction.

To understand Scientology better, it's good to see what was happening behind the scenes.

By 1982, Hubbard had written the Pain and Sex HCOB:

After that, Hubbard largely went silent.

He evidently lost his mind ,probably from doing the OT levels.Im glad I never was audited past grade 4.From Objectives , to life repair, drug rundown,arc straight wire, Dianetics, PTS rundown was 400 hours at $15 ?? bucks an hour in 1976/1977.That was a good deal but I would never have paid more than that.The auditing worked but the Scn group, espec in the USA we're whack a mole nuts.I think St Hill was cool in 1976/1977 was precisely because it was outethics.Some of the best people I knew were declared like Steve Bisbey(my course supervisor, Jon Atack (roommate),Koos Nolst Trenite(owned the house I rented from), Don Larson( my humorous out ethics ethics officer).I could never,ever take Scn seriously after all I discovered.It is useful for stand up comedy though.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I'm pretty sure LRH wrote it as it is very close to how he wrote.Also, someone I know threatened the CofS with giving this to a news channel if they weren't paid a full refund in Dec 1988.OSA lady said they'd need 2 or so days to verify it They verified and paid up.

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It's a fascinating idea that the COS ("Crimewave of Scientology") would pay their ultra-precious cash to someone threatening to release their tech to the media. Isn't that a mega-paradox?! I mean—they spend many tens of millions of dollars to PROMOTE their tech so that everyone in the world knows their beliefs. But at the same time, they pay money to PREVENT their tech from being known?

Intention - Counter Intention. No wonder they gotz lotz of problems.

Have i mentioned recently that the cult is schizophrenic? LOL

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[Buddy Thaytun.]

Yeah reet. Reeks of BS

 

[Buddy Thaytun.]

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It's a fascinating idea that the COS ("Crimewave of Scientology") would pay their ultra-precious cash to someone threatening to release their tech to the media. Isn't that a mega-paradox?! I mean—they spend many tens of millions of dollars to PROMOTE their tech so that everyone in the world knows their beliefs. But at the same time, they pay money to PREVENT their tech from being known?

Intention - Counter Intention. No wonder they gotz lotz of problems.

Have i mentioned recently that the cult is schizophrenic? LOL

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I'm glad they zealously guarded their upper OT levels or I would be 8 grand broker than I am. I love how the head of OSA in PDX goes " any judge in the country would throw you in jail for extortion"...Bwahahaha Is the Pot and the Kettle or is my real name XENU???Using their own techniques back on them will get you your money back.Not only that but org members in that town were told " Do not talk to that guy as you could drop your body".I had a field day from Miami to PDX going " Hey did you know we were all exploded in that volcano on the cover of DSMSH!!".They would run away from me.That was hilarious.