Standard Dianetics R3R procedure

[pineapple]

You know that was a quote from Amazon about the book? I didn't write it? I thought it was interesting that people still believe in Carlos despite his being "debunked", much like Hubbard.

I once asked an OT Scientologist who was much more intelligent than I, why he believed in Hubbard despite his lies about his past, and he told me - "Oh, those types of people are prone to hyperbole. His exaggerations don't affect the value of Scientology."

Mimsey

Yes, I knew that you didn't write it, but since it was (seemingly) given in reply to what I posted about Don Juan being a hoax, I got the idea that you shared the viewpoint expressed. Was I wrong there? If so I apologize.

Can one still find something of value in it, even knowing it's a hoax? Maybe; some people seem to do it with scn. (Not me, though. )

I found the comparison of Castaneda's books to "Thus Spake Zarathustra" absurd. In the latter it's clear from the beginning that we're being told a fable, a parable, that this is fiction. Castaneda, on the other hand, presents his material as though it were fact, which many at first assumed it was. In fact, he conned UCLA into awarding him his bachelor's and doctorate degrees based on his first three books.

[excerpt from wikipedia article]
Castaneda's first three books—The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge, A Separate Reality, and Journey to Ixtlan—were written while he was an anthropology student at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). He wrote that these books were ethnographic accounts describing his apprenticeship with a traditional "Man of Knowledge" identified as don Juan Matus, an Indigenous Yaqui from northern Mexico. The veracity of these books was doubted from their original publication, and they are now widely considered to be fictional.[6] Castaneda was awarded his bachelor's and doctoral degrees based on the work described in these books.[6]
[end excerpt]

 

[pineapple]

What would a discussion about auditing be without references to the e-meter?

"Less repetitious" comes to mind. ...

 

[mimsey borogrove]

Yes, I knew that you didn't write it, but since it was (seemingly) given in reply to what I posted about Don Juan being a hoax, I got the idea that you shared the viewpoint expressed. Was I wrong there? If so I apologize.

Can one still find something of value in it, even knowing it's a hoax? Maybe; some people seem to do it with scn. (Not me, though. )

I found the comparison of Castaneda's books to "Thus Spake Zarathustra" absurd. In the latter it's clear from the beginning that we're being told a fable, a parable, that this is fiction. Castaneda, on the other hand, presents his material as though it were fact, which many at first assumed it was. In fact, he conned UCLA into awarding him his bachelor's and doctorate degrees based on his first three books.

[excerpt from wikipedia article]
Castaneda's first three books—The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge, A Separate Reality, and Journey to Ixtlan—were written while he was an anthropology student at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). He wrote that these books were ethnographic accounts describing his apprenticeship with a traditional "Man of Knowledge" identified as don Juan Matus, an Indigenous Yaqui from northern Mexico. The veracity of these books was doubted from their original publication, and they are now widely considered to be fictional.[6] Castaneda was awarded his bachelor's and doctoral degrees based on the work described in these books.[6]
[end excerpt]

I do think there's parts of Scientology that are of value, but on a whole, given it's rapacious nature, it should be avoided. While I do believe the spirit is immortal, and has occupied many bodies / lives in the past, that doesn't mean that Hubbards timeline is at all correct. As an example, nowhere do we find in his research do we find discussion of the younger dryas boundary event which wiped out millions, and would truly qualify as a 4th dynamic engram. So it's fairly obvious he was riding a hobby horse, perhaps stemming from his SF writer's imagination, and any real in depth research wasn't done. Same with the purif - he had the $ to do a proper research into a drug rehab procedure but his know best ego trip got in the way.

Mimsweey

 

[mimsey borogrove]

"Less repetitious" comes to mind. ...

One of the problems with auditing has to do with memory. While Hubbard didn't know the mechanism behind why we don't have perfect recall, he was aware of the problem. He discusses the bullpen concept, where memory of a past event resurfaces a day or more later after some probing. Yet, despite being aware of that, he didn't incorporate if into this tech procedures. Instead he either tried to locate it with the E-meter or tried to stick the person in a trance of sorts to force the data out, a holdover from his days as a hypnotist.

In Mathew Walker's book "Why We Sleep"he discusses the shuffling of memory during non-rem sleep, eliminating the memories we don't need or want, and saving the ones we do - a pruning of memory. By searching for memories that have been pruned in auditing leads to dub-in, much like the Bridey Murphy syndrome and lessens its workability.

And thus, "Huston, we have a problem" - we see people taking years and years on OT 7 mocking up stuff to run. If anything is the plague of unworkability in Scientology auditing, it this dub in or mocking up stuff to run, to answer the auditor's questions, reducing any workability to almost nil. On the other hand, we see processes like Self Analysis giving good gains due to their open ended questions. Any damn thing that comes to mind is acceptable, whereas sec checking for example, is not. It seeks to unearth exact time place form event and sometimes, the data just isn't available, or the PC misdirects in hopes of not disclosing what really happened. So any gains wanted go out the window.



Mimsey

 

[Zertel]

"Less repetitious" comes to mind. ...

Most scientology topics get recycled on blogs and forums which might be a benefit to newbies and passersby. There are currently 6200+ threads/conversations going on. Take your pick.

I remember the first time I looked at a scn blog. What happened was . . . . never mind.

 

[Veda]

Most scientology topics get recycled on blogs and forums which might be a benefit to newbies and passersby. There are currently 6200+ threads/conversations going on. Take your pick.

I remember the first time I looked at a scn blog. What happened was . . . . never mind.

Perhaps someone can make a list of recycled ideas and techniques that are potentially beneficiary outside a cult environment, and a list of harmful recycled ideas and techniques .

Mich of the totalitarian "woke" mentality is an echo of the "dark side" of Scientology.

 

[mimsey borogrove]

Perhaps someone can make a list of recycled ideas and techniques that are potentially beneficiary outside a cult environment, and a list of harmful recycled ideas and techniques .

Mich of the totalitarian "woke" mentality is an echo of the "dark side" of Scientology.

Who is Mich?

 

[Veda]

Who is Mich?

That's a typo for "much."

Be careful or I'll get triggered (re-stimulated, keyed-in) and become "unreasonable" and "ruthless" and label you as an "SP," etc./Cancel you, etc.

Meanwhile, there's plenty of censorship to keep the "entheta" away, as we huddle in our "safe spaces."

Micro aggression? Remember "dings"? Invalidations? PTS to the middle class?

Meanwhile, WEF's Klaus Schwab wants to implement a system of electronic Neo-feudalism and, himself, become a god and live forever.

It goes on and on.

 

[Veda]

Spin off of Dn & Scn:

Yes, Dianetics 1950 was a P. T. Barnum-ized form of abreaction therapy.

And Traumatic Incident Reduction is, essentially, re-named Dianetic R3R procedure... and also re-named "ARC Straightwire."

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The image below is from the cover of a counter culture comix of the early 1970s
depicting the scene in San Francisco during the Summer of Love in 1967,
when Jesus returned to Earth only to find himself talked into joining staff at the San Francisco Scientology "Org."
Jesus is at the lower left.

"Everyone, please calm down!"

Fritz Perls, of the Esalen Institute and founder of Gestalt Therapy.​

Dr. J. A. Winter wrote the Introduction to Diantetics, the MSMH in 1950.

Within a year he wrote...

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Psychotherapist Fritz Perls, wrote the Introduction for Winter's book.

Perls wrote:

"The present book is not for anyone who has a fixation, a complete identification with any of the present day schools. Such a person with a fixation will experience anything strange as wrong... Hubbard with his mixture of science and fiction, his bombastic way... his unsubstantiated claims, makes it easy for anyone to reject his work in toto, thus missing any chance to extract any valuable contributions it might contain."


Many years later, after Dr. Winter had died, Hubbard couldn't resits gloating. He wrote in his Manual of Justice:

"Dianetics and Scientology are self protecting Sciences. If one attacks them one attacks all the know how of the mind. It caves in the bank. It's gruesome sometimes. At this instance there are men hiding in terror on Earth because they found out what they are attacking. There are men dead because they attacked us - for example Dr. Winter. He simply realized what he did and died."

(Obviously, Dianetics did not help Hubbard to recover from the secondary engram of having one of his early supporters leave him.)

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For a little perspective...​

During the late 1960s, Leonard Cohen was "on lines" at the New York Org.

After having moved on from Scientology, he wrote this song about a friend of his who was "going Clear."

Exploitation of Abreaction, cinematic depiction:

A cult leader encounters a poor soul and addresses (partly telepathically?) his loss or "key in ," and the poor souls is revived and given a new purpose in life.

An he has a willing slave.

Segment ends at 4:56








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Edit: typo

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

According to Pilot, Leonard Cohen also wrote "Bird On A Wire" at the NY Org (one night after class).