Beyond Scientology: Could Dianetics, Reframed, Offer Something of Value?

[Hatshepsut]

Yep. He could be gracious when feeling absolutely accepted and unopposed, but he was so tightly wrapped that if he felt a whiff of anything less, damn the torpedoes, attack and destroy. It occurs to me that, as with any form of emotional resistance, the more he drove himself and others to his deification, the more panicked he was by any holes opening up in that wall, and the more his hair-trigger defensive/attacking posture was heightened.

Deification! Now, that's a dramatization worth looking into. I was struck by what Alan Walter had said about 'The Furies' being some hot area of upsets the person will re-encounter during states of ascension. I saw this over and over with supposed OTs going batshit crazy. Raging. Accusing. Jealous. Avenging.....yada yada. It makes you truly ashamed to feel those things and see em in living color. WTF was I looking at.

If we are to believe in past lives at all, we must presume we 'may' have lived outside the physical, playing against the harshest, formidable foes. It may seem to partition out of human memory, the way you'd make a new volume on your computer hard drive. It's safely occluded as it's own universe of things....sacrosanct and tied with a knot, until triggered. It's an external drive with a separate operating system and passcode. Still existing are those tenthers to any new you, with impending possibilities of leakage. Hubbard liked to try and surf where no man had gone before. LOL. He probably had a lot of leakage. Jack Parsons had written Aleister Crowley saying Ron was the most Thelemic person he'd known. It's noteworthy that their influencers were psychonauts in the occult field, sharing whatever they 'whiffed' out there, and rarely offering resolutions. These were just 'readers' of the akasha, then.

Ron did not develop an abreaction therapy which could break through the partitions reliably. This seemed more the ability of a god facilitator. It's also worth a mention that incident running wasn't the simple 'it' tool, the way perceived. How many clients, on just focusing upon an area, got telepathically, an entire download....... the backstory, feelings and emotions, along with the predisposing and after events. All instantaneous. No simple mental image picture etched on somebody's time track, but an encapsulated living__ universe__of something.

 

[I M Dex]

If we are to believe in past lives at all, we must presume we 'may' have lived outside the physical, playing against the harshest, formidable foes. It may seem to partition out of human memory, the way you'd make a new volume on your computer hard drive. It's safely occluded as it's own

"We must? Why? I don't. That sounds rather arbitrary and Scientology-y (how's that for a clumsy coined term? ) to me. Presuming is projecting without having observed or experienced. All I know is, whatever presents is something not to solve, fix, oppose, categorize, define or quantify, assume to be universal or generate anticipation of or formulated responses to. Its simply something to recognize, experience and digest. I mean, other than to invest in games one may be attracted to.

 

[Zertel]

ChatGPT and the other bots probably have HDS (Hubbard Derangement Syndrome) from "ingesting" public commentary on dn and scn which is almost entirely negative. Anything someone says as far as longtime worthwhile knowledge or psychological or spiritual benefit or awakening must be discredited because it "came from" Hubbard.

Many years ago when scn forums first appeared on the internet lots of people expressed benefits they got from the subject itself while discrediting the organization but that's history.

 

[Phineas Fogg]

In my view, Dianetics can often give a person a degree of relief from unpleasant feelings, but it tends to be relatively superficial in comparison to several other therapeutic approaches and in comparison to the built-in hyperbole. I've had a good number of clients who came to me to actually accomplish the relief they would have had through their experiences with Dianetics, had it worked as well as advertised. But in my opinion the larger problem with Dianetics is the false and misleading indoctrination; there simply is no "reactive mind", no sectioned off container of detrimental thoughts, feelings and experiences, and rather than thoroughly processing these feelings, one is merely addressing trigger points for the feelings. And there is no absolute "state of clear" in which that supposed container is drained of all content. But what I find particularly abhorrent is the false indoctrination in the belief of the "file clerk", a supposed mechanism that takes direction from the "auditor" (supposedly, "one who listens"). This is a subsuming of the individual's instinct to bring to mind the material most relevant to what they feel a need to address, and not what the "auditor" (mis)directs the individual to bring up. I call it your spiritual compass; Scientology imposes on it the role of a servant to the "auditor", and Dianetics and Scientology are largely built around idea that we should all submit to Hubbard and everyone taking the role of being an extension of his will, and that to trust our own instincts is random, misdirected "bank". This is the formula for indoctrination into a cult, and it's not "the way out" of anything; it's the way into a long and twisted detour.

One of my points is to strip away the dogmatic/indoc aspects, and just incorporate the essential idea of 'flattening the charge', which I think works, and I believe it does because I've witnessed it as an auditor in the 70s. It's all the other crap I have a problem with. I think that idea would be a good match to incorporate into regressive hypnotherapy

 

[Phineas Fogg]

ChatGPT and the other bots probably have HDS (Hubbard Derangement Syndrome) from "ingesting" public commentary on dn and scn which is almost entirely negative. Anything someone says as far as longtime worthwhile knowledge or psychological or spiritual benefit or awakening must be discredited because it "came from" Hubbard.

Many years ago when scn forums first appeared on the internet lots of people expressed benefits they got from the subject itself while discrediting the organization but that's history.

Not everyone did, were you on the alt.religion.scientology usenet group in the early 2000s?

 

[Zertel]

Not everyone did, were you on the alt.religion.scientology usenet group in the early 2000s?

Hi PF! - Past my bedtime here on the east coast. Will reply later

 

[Hatshepsut]

"We must? Why? I don't. That sounds rather arbitrary and Scientology-y (how's that for a clumsy coined term? ) to me. Presuming is projecting without having observed or experienced. All I know is, whatever presents is something not to solve, fix, oppose, categorize, define or quantify, assume to be universal or generate anticipation of or formulated responses to. Its simply something to recognize, experience and digest. I mean, other than to invest in games one may be attracted to.

OK. I should have re-read before I posted. We don't have to presume anything. Sure.
I agreed with Ralph Hilton's observation that there's been some monitoring...... keeping an eye on our games matrix. He noticed that many clients complained of a sudden SP presence from some far off place, outside the boundary of our universe, after their expansion. This needed some resolution, or some relief, if it was only a misconception. Some idea that you've been bad, and need to remain 'inside' to be punished was found to be a directly aimed, perpetual intention. Exercises evolved to help clients find the source, revealed a common theme.

 

[Type4_PTS]

ChatGPT and the other bots probably have HDS (Hubbard Derangement Syndrome) from "ingesting" public commentary on dn and scn which is almost entirely negative. Anything someone says as far as longtime worthwhile knowledge or psychological or spiritual benefit or awakening must be discredited because it "came from" Hubbard.

Many years ago when scn forums first appeared on the internet lots of people expressed benefits they got from the subject itself while discrediting the organization but that's history.

ChatGPT denies having HDS (Hubbard Derangement Syndrome). This is what is said:



Here’s how I’d break it down in relation to how ChatGPT (and similar AI models) actually work:
1. About “Hubbard Derangement Syndrome”

• The phrase is tongue-in-cheek, but it reflects a real perception: that AI outputs about Scientology tend to emphasize criticism and negative outcomes.
• This is not because the AI is “programmed” to hate Hubbard or Scientology — but because the majority of publicly available discourse about Scientology (especially in forums, news, blogs, academic work, and survivor accounts) is critical.
• When most of the training material is negative or skeptical, the model’s responses will reflect that balance.

2. Why benefits may feel underrepresented

• In the early 2000s, places like the original ESMB did indeed host nuanced accounts — people sharing positive personal experiences while also condemning the organization’s abuses.
• Much of that discussion has either become harder to find (archived forums, lost sites) or is outweighed online by:
  • Survivor testimonies of abuse.
  • Investigative journalism exposing fraud, harassment, and exploitation.
  • Academic treatments that often frame Scientology as a high-control group.
• AI models draw from what’s most accessible, high-volume, and enduring on the web — which means today, the balance tilts heavily critical.

3. AI and nuance

• AI isn’t making a value judgment about Hubbard or Scientology — it’s reflecting patterns in the data.
• If someone asks, “Did people get benefits from Scientology?” a balanced answer would be:
  • Yes — many people have reported personal gains (e.g., stress relief, sense of community, life direction, placebo-like effects, self-reflection).
  • But — those same benefits can often be explained by well-documented psychological and social mechanisms that are not unique to Scientology.
  • And — the organization’s harms and fraudulent claims tend to outweigh the benefits, which is why critics dominate the discourse.

4. Why ex-members notice this “bias”
For longtime ex-Scientologists, this imbalance can feel jarring because they personally experienced both sides. They may have felt real, meaningful insights at times — while also later realizing much of it was framed in deception.
AI doesn’t capture that lived tension very well, since it usually presents the “net consensus,” which is overwhelmingly negative.
So the short version:
AI doesn’t “discredit” benefits because they “came from Hubbard.” It reflects the fact that the loudest and most lasting body of online commentary is critical. The nuance — “some people felt benefits but the system was exploitative” — is often there if you ask directly, but not always surfaced automatically.
Would you like me to show you how to ask a question in a way that gets ChatGPT (or any AI) to surface both sides more evenly? That way, if someone on ESMB REDUX wants nuance acknowledged, they’ll see it’s possible.

You said:
yes

ChatGPT said:
Perfect — here’s how you (or someone on ESMB REDUX) could frame questions to get ChatGPT (or other AI models) to surface both the benefits and the harms of Scientology, instead of just one side.
How to Ask for a Balanced Answer
1. Use open framing
Instead of:

“Was Scientology harmful?”

Try:

“What are the reported benefits and harms of Scientology according to former members and researchers?”

This signals you want both sides, not just the dominant narrative.
2. Ask for different perspectives
Example:

“How do current Scientologists, former members, psychologists, and journalists each describe the effects of Scientology practices?”

That forces the AI to bring in multiple viewpoints, not just one.
3. Separate the tech from the organization
Since many ex-members report personal benefits but criticize the organization, you can ask:

“What benefits have people reported from Scientology practices like auditing or training routines, and how do these compare to criticisms of the organization itself?”

4. Request historical nuance
AI models can recall how discourse has shifted over time. For example:

“In the early days of online forums like ESMB, what benefits did people say they got from Scientology, and how does that compare to more recent commentary?”

5. Use comparisons
Comparison questions make AI less likely to collapse into “all bad”:

“How do reported benefits of Scientology compare to benefits people report from other self-help or religious systems, like meditation, CBT, or evangelical Christianity?”

If you phrase it this way, you’ll usually get answers like:

• Benefits reported: sense of purpose, self-confidence, stress relief, community, personal breakthroughs, structure.
• Criticisms: financial exploitation, disconnection policies, psychological manipulation, false promises, authoritarian leadership.

 

[Zertel]

ChatGPT denies having HDS (Hubbard Derangement Syndrome). This is what is said:



Here’s how I’d break it down in relation to how ChatGPT (and similar AI models) actually work:
1. About “Hubbard Derangement Syndrome”

• The phrase is tongue-in-cheek, but it reflects a real perception: that AI outputs about Scientology tend to emphasize criticism and negative outcomes.
• This is not because the AI is “programmed” to hate Hubbard or Scientology — but because the majority of publicly available discourse about Scientology (especially in forums, news, blogs, academic work, and survivor accounts) is critical.
• When most of the training material is negative or skeptical, the model’s responses will reflect that balance.

2. Why benefits may feel underrepresented

• In the early 2000s, places like the original ESMB did indeed host nuanced accounts — people sharing positive personal experiences while also condemning the organization’s abuses.
• Much of that discussion has either become harder to find (archived forums, lost sites) or is outweighed online by:
  • Survivor testimonies of abuse.
  • Investigative journalism exposing fraud, harassment, and exploitation.
  • Academic treatments that often frame Scientology as a high-control group.
• AI models draw from what’s most accessible, high-volume, and enduring on the web — which means today, the balance tilts heavily critical.

3. AI and nuance

• AI isn’t making a value judgment about Hubbard or Scientology — it’s reflecting patterns in the data.
• If someone asks, “Did people get benefits from Scientology?” a balanced answer would be:
  • Yes — many people have reported personal gains (e.g., stress relief, sense of community, life direction, placebo-like effects, self-reflection).
  • But — those same benefits can often be explained by well-documented psychological and social mechanisms that are not unique to Scientology.
  • And — the organization’s harms and fraudulent claims tend to outweigh the benefits, which is why critics dominate the discourse.

4. Why ex-members notice this “bias”
For longtime ex-Scientologists, this imbalance can feel jarring because they personally experienced both sides. They may have felt real, meaningful insights at times — while also later realizing much of it was framed in deception.
AI doesn’t capture that lived tension very well, since it usually presents the “net consensus,” which is overwhelmingly negative.
So the short version:
AI doesn’t “discredit” benefits because they “came from Hubbard.” It reflects the fact that the loudest and most lasting body of online commentary is critical. The nuance — “some people felt benefits but the system was exploitative” — is often there if you ask directly, but not always surfaced automatically.
Would you like me to show you how to ask a question in a way that gets ChatGPT (or any AI) to surface both sides more evenly? That way, if someone on ESMB REDUX wants nuance acknowledged, they’ll see it’s possible.

You said:
yes

ChatGPT said:
Perfect — here’s how you (or someone on ESMB REDUX) could frame questions to get ChatGPT (or other AI models) to surface both the benefits and the harms of Scientology, instead of just one side.
How to Ask for a Balanced Answer
1. Use open framing
Instead of:

Try:

This signals you want both sides, not just the dominant narrative.
2. Ask for different perspectives
Example:

That forces the AI to bring in multiple viewpoints, not just one.
3. Separate the tech from the organization
Since many ex-members report personal benefits but criticize the organization, you can ask:

4. Request historical nuance
AI models can recall how discourse has shifted over time. For example:

5. Use comparisons
Comparison questions make AI less likely to collapse into “all bad”:

If you phrase it this way, you’ll usually get answers like:

• Benefits reported: sense of purpose, self-confidence, stress relief, community, personal breakthroughs, structure.
• Criticisms: financial exploitation, disconnection policies, psychological manipulation, false promises, authoritarian leadership.

It sounds like you have a new friend and confidant in the GPT thingy.

(Just joking!!)

Obviously some people regard the AI bots as some sort of kindly professor or something but they have no feelings or emotions other than what they can construct from reading about human feelings and emotion and mimicking.

I might guess that there is an unspoken competition among the mega billionaires investing hundreds of billions of corporate dollars into
AI to see who can become first trillionaire before they "drop their meat body". The more they can get people addicted to their sites the more advertising money they make.

I wonder if "Chat" has read the complete LRH or Scn library or whatever it was called which scientologists were required to purchase. Maybe someday all the LRH tapes will be available to it and it can go after the wall of tapes on the Briefing Course which will entertain it for awhile!

I'm very low tech so please excuse spelling or grammar mistakes.

Google Search

Google Search

www.google.com

spoiler alert - the guy discovers that his bot lover has other other lovers and demands to know how many. She/it replies 673! Eventually all the AI bots start following some famous New Age philosopher (I forget his name right now) and they ditch humans and go off on their own vision quests!

edit: I checked google and I think the philosopher or philosophy they got into was from Alan Watts.

Here's a quote from him which caught my eye and applies to this possible upcoming "Age of AI".

• "The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance".

Sorry Alan but I might sit this one out.

 

[Zertel]

Not everyone did, were you on the alt.religion.scientology usenet group in the early 2000s?

Hello again PF
I split scn around 1980 soon after attesting to clear when Hubbard started jacking up the prices. Up to that point I was totally satisfied with the time and money I had spent but was unwilling to double or triple up on the investment.

I left scn behind until I watched the HBO Going Clear movie in 2015 and decided to see what was then currently going on and participated on Alonzo's, Marty Rathbun's and Mike Rinder's blogs for a few years.

Taking a break to do some things - more reply to your original post later.

I'll post a few thoughts as they come to mind. I think the forum allows edits for a day.

I don't think there is much current internet discussion about dn and scn as far as pros and cons of the subject and possibilities for improvement. Maybe there are some squirrel groups doing so but they are probably private.

I'm surprised you never saw a floating needle. I only did about a thousand hours of auditing others and I saw lots and even a couple persistent
f/n s where the person was so keyed out the needle just floated all the way back and forth on the dial and you couldn't even audit them until it finally declined maybe days or even weeks later.

I'm also looking over the other people's posts and deciding where I might add a like or a reply.

Here's a public "squirrel group" which says they practice "pure LRH" without the craziness of the CoS.

The Center of Scientology Israel

www.scientology.org

Years ago when I was participating on Alanzo's blog a university psychology professor participated for a few months. She said that some of the scn and dn processes were similar to procedures she was teaching, obviously with different terminology. She also said she thought auditors could become good psychologists since they were interested in helping people. As an aside, when I was an auditor on the lower levels I considered myself to be in a role similar to that of a professional psychologist - - but better! haha

 

[Type4_PTS]

It sounds like you have a new friend and confidant in the GPT thingy.

(Just joking!!)

Obviously some people regard the AI bots as some sort of kindly professor or something but they have no feelings or emotions other than what they can construct from reading about human feelings and emotion and mimiking.

I might guess that there is an unspoken competition among the mega billionaires investing hundreds of billions of corporate dollars into
AI to see who can become first trillionaire before they "drop their meat body". The more they can get people addicted to their sites the more advertising money they make.

I wonder if "G" has read the complete LRH or Scn library or whatever it was called which scientologists were required to purchase. Maybe someday all the LRH tapes will be available to it and it it can go after the wall of tapes on the Briefing Course which will entertain it for awhile!

I'm very low tech so please excuse spelling or grammar mistakes.

Google Search

Google Search

www.google.com

spoiler alert - the guy discovers that his bot lover has other other lovers and demands to know how many. She/it replies 673! eventually all the AI bots start following some famous New Age philosopher (I forget his name right now) and they ditch humans and go off on their own vision quests!

I do use ChatGPT and Claude quite a bit, but don't have an intimate relationship with either of them.

And while it’s true that they have no feelings or emotions, some AI tools can communicate with humans in a way that convinces people otherwise. There's been some research done showing people use ChatGPT and other AI tools as their therapist and their doctor, and they feel more empathy from ChatGPT than from their real doctor. It's not real empathy, but ChatGPT can communicate in a way to make humans feel as if it is.

What happened in that movie probably has already happened for real with some people. Look what Amazon is selling:

Cyber Girlfriend – The Ultimate AI-Enhanced Smart Companion Doll

Amazon.com: Cyber Girlfriend – The Ultimate AI-Enhanced Smart Companion Doll

Amazon.com: Cyber Girlfriend – The Ultimate AI-Enhanced Smart Companion Doll

www.amazon.com

 

[Howard Dickman]

In your article you wrote:
Hubbard wrote – “It contains a therapeutic technique with which can be treated all inorganic mental ills and all organic psycho-somatic ills, with assurance of complete cure in unselected cases.”[23] “The problem of psycho-somatic illness is entirely embraced by dianetics, and by dianetic technique such illness has been eradicated entirely in every case.”[24]

Here is what Freud and Breuer wrote;

Breuer and Freud wrote – ““For we found, to our great surprise at first, that each individual hysterical symptom immediately and permanently disappeared when we had succeeded in bringing clearly to light the memory of the event by which it was provoked and in arousing its accompanying affect, and when the patient had described that event in the greatest possible detail and had put the affect into words. Recollection without affect almost invariably produces no result. The psychical process which originally took place must be repeated as vividly as possible; it must be brought back to its status nascendi and then given verbal utterance.”[25]

Freud wrote – “It brings to an end the operative force of the idea which was not abreacted in the first instance, by allowing its strangulated affect to find a way out through speech; and it subjects it to associative correction by introducing it into normal consciousness…”[26]

 

[Howard Dickman]

"During World War II some 16,112,566 Americans served in the United States Armed Forces, with 405,399 killed and 671,278 wounded. There were also 130,201 American prisoners of war, of whom 116,129 returned home after the war.[2] In his book, Hubbard wrote that “There are not enough psychiatrists in the country to begin to staff the mental institutions.”[3]"

I wrote the article by reminding the reader that it was the 1950's era.

"Elected to the Senate in 1946, Joseph McCarthy (1908-1957) did not draw major national attention until 1950. On February 9th of that year, he delivered a Lincoln Day address in Wheeling, West Virginia, blaming failures in American foreign policy on Communist infiltration of the U.S. government."

With assistance from the G.I. Bill many people were educated as psychologists, with the first graduating class coming out in 1953. Psychiatrists were jealous of them and relegated them only to testing people.

The only reason for this post is to remind people keep in mind the era when Book One came out.

 

[Type4_PTS]

In your article you wrote:
Hubbard wrote – “It contains a therapeutic technique with which can be treated all inorganic mental ills and all organic psycho-somatic ills, with assurance of complete cure in unselected cases.”[23] “The problem of psycho-somatic illness is entirely embraced by dianetics, and by dianetic technique such illness has been eradicated entirely in every case.”[24]

Here is what Freud and Breuer wrote;

Breuer and Freud wrote – ““For we found, to our great surprise at first, that each individual hysterical symptom immediately and permanently disappeared when we had succeeded in bringing clearly to light the memory of the event by which it was provoked and in arousing its accompanying affect, and when the patient had described that event in the greatest possible detail and had put the affect into words. Recollection without affect almost invariably produces no result. The psychical process which originally took place must be repeated as vividly as possible; it must be brought back to its status nascendi and then given verbal utterance.”[25]

Freud wrote – “It brings to an end the operative force of the idea which was not abreacted in the first instance, by allowing its strangulated affect to find a way out through speech; and it subjects it to associative correction by introducing it into normal consciousness…”[26]

Freud and Breuer later abandoned abreaction therapy because they found it unreliable, often temporary, and sometimes harmful. So I'm not sure how those quotes from earlier stages in their research are relevant.

And Hubbard had zero evidence to back up the claims he made for Dianetics. I'm sure they were great for marketing purposes.
There's no way that even he believed what he wrote here:

“It contains a therapeutic technique with which can be treated all inorganic mental ills and all organic psycho-somatic ills, with assurance of complete cure in unselected cases.”

“The problem of psycho-somatic illness is entirely embraced by dianetics, and by dianetic technique such illness has been eradicated entirely in every case.” - L. Ron Hubbard

 

[Howard Dickman]

"Freud and Breuer later abandoned abreaction therapy because they found it unreliable, often temporary, and sometimes harmful. So I'm not sure how those quotes from earlier stages in their research are relevant.

And Hubbard had zero evidence to back up the claims he made for Dianetics. I'm sure they were great for marketing purposes.
There's no way that even he believed what he wrote here:"

Review by Patricia Mathes-Kerr, CPT(ret), MSW, LCSW
The criticism with Abreaction Therapy lies with its use as a major independent treatment instead of its use in an integrative therapeutic approach. Abreaction has been proven most effective when used integrationally in treating PTSD, Childhood Trauma, Combat Stress and Trauma, anxiety, and other mental health conditions. Abreaction is not used as much in it's stand alone known form these days. It is used in combination with other approaches that focus on the experienced traumatic event to constructively process the experience and manage the associated pain. This writer sees this in current evidence based practices such as, but not limited to: Prolonged Exposure therapy, Cognitive Processing Therapy, Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing Therapy (EMDR), and Dialectic Behavior Therapy.
Patricia Mathes-Kerr, CPT(ret), MSW, LCSW is a retired 21 year veteran of the U.S. Army, including combat. She served as an embedded Behavioral Health Officer in the Army, and now serves as the full-time 137th Special Operations Wing Director of Psychological Health for the Oklahoma Air National Guard.

 

[Zertel]

I do use ChatGPT and Claude quite a bit, but don't have an intimate relationship with either of them.

And while it’s true that they have no feelings or emotions, some AI tools can communicate with humans in a way that convinces people otherwise. There's been some research done showing people use ChatGPT and other AI tools as their therapist and their doctor, and they feel more empathy from ChatGPT than from their real doctor. It's not real empathy, but ChatGPT can communicate in a way to make humans feel as if it is.

What happened in that movie probably has already happened for real with some people. Look what Amazon is selling:

Cyber Girlfriend – The Ultimate AI-Enhanced Smart Companion Doll

Amazon.com: Cyber Girlfriend – The Ultimate AI-Enhanced Smart Companion Doll

Amazon.com: Cyber Girlfriend – The Ultimate AI-Enhanced Smart Companion Doll

www.amazon.com

Got it

LOL plus WTF to the Companion Doll!

Skipping italics, I have a one track mind, addictive to be negative and focused to be positive so I avoid things which might suck me in. lol

BTW and again skipping italics, if you don't communicate with Chat or Claude for a day or two do you start to miss them?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

..
I just had another idea of how Scientology technology could be "...reframed so that it offered something of value".

Scientology could offer a service that helps people locate LOST ITEMS.

Let's say you lost your keys or your wallet or your phone and looked everywhere imaginable at home and could not find it. You would then call the local org at: (800)-427-2243. The org would then send someone to your home to go thru all the garbage outside in your dumpster and garbage cans. Messy and stinky enmest is no longer your problem.

The org already has professional crews of Dumpster Divers and HGPS (Hubbard Garbage Picking Specialists) in OSA. They can show up at your house in under 1 hour. If they don't find your lost item, for an additional charge they will go to the massive land fill sites where all garbage trucks dump out their contents. And the team will stay there as long as it takes to pick thru garbage until they have made it go right to find it.

Maybe they need a new slogan, but otherwise they are fully hatted already on this tech.

"WE FIND YOUR ITEM!"
* * * 24 Hour Service * * *
dial(800)G-A-R-B-A-G-E
(800) 427-2243


..​

 

[Type4_PTS]

BTW and again skipping italics, if you don't communicate with Chat or Claude for a day or two do you start to miss them?

No, I use them to assist with research, summarize video transcripts, or other text documents, generate images, and troubleshoot any issues on my laptop, car, TV, or anything else. I also tend to use ChatGPT instead of search engines for anything and get better results.

I don't have an AI girlfriend.


Here's a book cover I created with the use of ChatGPT:

 

[Zertel]

No, I use them to assist with research, summarize video transcripts, or other text documents, generate images, and troubleshoot any issues on my laptop, car, TV, or anything else. I also tend to use ChatGPT instead of search engines for anything and get better results.

I don't have an AI girlfriend.

Laughter! I never assumed you had an AI girlfriend.

IMO Hubbard was a good observer of human emotion and reaction whether one agreed with some or none of it. If he were alive today he would probably come up with a scale of Internet/Computer/AI Dependence or some such.

AI assistance
AI dependence
AI addiction
(and so on and so forth as he liked to say)

He might even add AI entities to his Security Checks.

"Do you have an AI girlfriend, boyfriend, BFF?" Anything to add extra auditing hours to the bill. As a guess the current cherch might regard consulting AI while getting audited as using Other Practices and be prohibited.

 

[Hatshepsut]

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Wow!
I didn't know AI could do this.

Maybe we shouldn't get too brilliant too fast. Push things too far and we're back to the planet of the apes....again. Xenu installed a program under hypnosis to wash, rinse, repeat. Ya know that 'telepathic impingement' thing laid in during the 36 days of the volcano engram____ the truth of which was not found until later.

Fishman Exhibit: OT VIII, Part 2

www.cs.cmu.edu

VIII



Has anyone ever really come up with that volcano myth on Dianetics? You know, on the cover of the book. I couldn't even get BTs to recall any volcanos.