That bust of Elron always reminds me of the 1954 horror film called "The Creature From The Black Lagoon". Wiki has a few pictures of the Creature with its notable shoulder scales and other similarities.If only we couldn't see him or hear him.
LRH branded everything.
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You're taking this a wee bit too seriously.
Yes, I saw Jon Atack's comments on McMaster. He described McMaster as "horrible" person. He must have a very low bar for what constitutes "horrible."
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Please see above.
He was repeatedly overboarded on the ship, and that must have had an effect on him. I never met him either but I recall a class 8 auditor (Norman McVea) say that McMaster's "beauty and love really turned him on to the whole subject" (of Scientology).
John had an enormous clean space far, far beyond the blue-white aura of a normal CC clear. The average cc clear would have a space around the head with an odd, electric pale blue to it, no more than 2 feet in diameter usually. John was more than 40 feet in every direction as a clear, clean space with literally nothing in it.
My understanding of the word is mainly from Ram Dass; basically, it's someone who's arrived at the point of their evolution where they no longer have to return to the Earth plane (and presumably anywhere else in the physical universe), but does so anyway in order to be able to help those of us who are still here. He says more about it but unfortunately the book of his I'm referring to, "Grist For The Mill", was destroyed in a flood in my home (leaky gas boiler, now replaced).
Yes, back then just thinking and talking about the possibility of OT abilities and the anticipation of becoming OT was what made me and my fellow clams feel "so good" or "uptone and keyed out" if you insist on using those terms. That anticipation kept me sustained during those "happy cult" days before I found out what a fraud it really was.
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Yes, he did say it; it was in one of the magazines such as "Advance", not in one of his books. I've googled for it and can't find the quote though it stuck in my mind at the time, which is how I remember it.
Veda - Your interactions with scn notables in the 1970s is interesting and informative. The pictures and other visual references are also interesting and give a flavor of the times. These type of posts to which I'm replying here are scattered around on numerous threads. Fifty years from now or maybe even a decade from now as scn continues to shrink there may be little interest in scn (as news) with few people reading scn blogs and forums.You're taking this a wee bit too seriously.
Yes, I saw Jon Atack's comments on McMaster. He described McMaster as "horrible" person. He must have a very low bar for what constitutes "horrible."
I first saw McMaster on American TV, as high school kid, around 1967. He was on the Less Crane interview show. McMaster created a good impression.
It had similarities to Ingo Swann's conversation with the James Randi.
By accident, on a car radio, I once heard Ingo debate James Randi (the debunker of psychics, faith healers, etc.), and it was a very friendly encounter. Randi like Ingo.
Years later, Randi described his experience of Hubbard during the late 1940s.
The first 60% of the video is a Scientologist trying to convert Randi.
The last 40% is a non-Scientologist asking Randi about Hubbard.
One of Ingo's favorite items of Hubbard's writing was a thin black booklet titled, if I recall correctly, Control and mechanics of 8-C. It was about "good (effortless) control" and not having (mental) "ridges." It was one of several things that Hubbard's editor, John Sanborn, had liked, and had showcased, just as he had liked parts of the Phoenix Lectures and showcased that in the (now out of print) book titled the Phoenix Lectures.
The outlook expressed in this thin black booklet was 180 degrees in opposition to the prevailing reality in Scientology at the time which consisted of "effort," screaming, yelling, being "unreasonable," being "ruthless," but Ingo, being Ingo, floated above it all. (It also helped that he, as an artist, etc. was a semi-celebrity.)
Sanborn was publishing what he regarded as (in his words) the (1950s) "peak brilliance" of Hubbard's work, even though Hubbard had, by then, recreated himself as the "Commodore," and created Xenu and the Sea Org - and the staff at the Advanced Org in Los Angeles were dressing up as "whole track implanters" to "re-stimulate" the "wogs" just enough to make them compliant to Scientology body routers, recruiters, and registrars, and get them on the "Bridge to Total Freedom."
During early 1973, I had a long conversation with Ingo Swann, and none of it had anything to do with Scientology, but, while we were talking, someone interrupted and asked if he was a Scientologist, and he answered "yes." Ingo was not pleased to have been asked that question. He did not want to be known as a Scientologist outside of Scientology circles.
After quitting Scientology in '82/'83. Ingo, (from what I have heard) was briefly involved with David Mayo's Advanced Ability Center and, then, got into (ex Elmira, New York Mission Holder) Harry Palmer's Avatar. (Palmer became quite the cult leader, just as Franklin Jones, a.k.a. Bubba Free John, Adi Da, Da Avadhoota, etc. etc., had also established his own cult. Link to Franklin Jones on Scientology.)
Ingo actually did Harry Palmer's Avatar program.
He had also participated in other Self Help and New Age subjects/movements prior to his involvement with Scientology.
He, from accounts, after leaving Scientology Inc., when he could speak freely, thought that doing the introductory portions of Scientology had undone the negative effects of his time in the military. Ingo stated that he had natural psychic sensitivities and abilities as a child, and had lost those sensitivities and abilities as a young adult during his time serving in the military in Korea.
He described Scientology's OT levels as "disappointing."
But I digress.
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I never stated that Scientology produced "Bodhisattvas. Please don't misunderstand.
Please see above.
Back to Jon Atack and John McMaster: I never met McMaster but, as I mentioned, saw him on TV, and observed him at other times via recorded video, and, once, listened to a phone interview with him.
He wasn't crazy or "horrible."
That said, he was, unfortunately, a casualty of Hubbard and Scientology. Hubbard mind-gamed McMaster, and McMaster even described some of this mind-gaming (mind manipulation), that Hubbard had done on him and on others, but it still affected him. He became an alcoholic.
I'm not inclined to describe, as "horrible," people who were damaged by Scientology, but that's just me.
In any event, I am not saying that Scientology made Bodhisattvas!
Yes, there was also the "psychedelic revolution" going on with many people believing new perspectives and new paradigms of life and culture were emerging. The Dawning of the Age of Aquarius! I split scn around 1979 because of the price increases which I thought were greedy and unreasonable. At the time I had no problem with the Tek itself and I never experienced any "abuse" so for me I learned some things and can look at it as an interesting and worthwhile life experience.
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Hats off to you for finding that one! I think I was close anyway.Purpose
Face it. We live in a barbarism. The shiny cars are driven by degraded men.
You won't be free unless they are.
It has taken me ten hard years to make clearing everyone an accomplished fact.
That I could do it was not enough. That you could do it was part of the major plan.
My purpose is to bring a barbarism out of the mud it thinks conceived it and to
form here on Earth a civilization based on human understanding, not violence.
That's a big purpose. A broad field. A star-high goal.
But I think it's your purpose, too.
L. Ron Hubbard
ABILITY. ISSUE 72. APRIL 1958
That quote from Hubbard would be sheer stupidity by him if it weren't for the fact that he didn't mean a word of it; it's advertising. Anyone else ever run incidents off the magic track? I have and can tell you that the worst evil I have seen was big unabberated beings in that magic universe doing horrible, evil things deliberately. His words above also conflict with his "cleared cannibal" remarks. Trust me because I have been there: a clear and OT demon of darkness is a monster you never want to encounter. These demons become demons by choice. Hubbard was a liar.Purpose
Face it. We live in a barbarism. The shiny cars are driven by degraded men.
You won't be free unless they are.
It has taken me ten hard years to make clearing everyone an accomplished fact.
That I could do it was not enough. That you could do it was part of the major plan.
My purpose is to bring a barbarism out of the mud it thinks conceived it and to
form here on Earth a civilization based on human understanding, not violence.
That's a big purpose. A broad field. A star-high goal.
But I think it's your purpose, too.
L. Ron Hubbard
ABILITY. ISSUE 72. APRIL 1958
Ah, the humble Hubbard brag...Purpose
Face it. We live in a barbarism. The shiny cars are driven by degraded men.
You won't be free unless they are.
It has taken me ten hard years to make clearing everyone an accomplished fact.
That I could do it was not enough. That you could do it was part of the major plan.
My purpose is to bring a barbarism out of the mud it thinks conceived it and to
form here on Earth a civilization based on human understanding, not violence.
That's a big purpose. A broad field. A star-high goal.
But I think it's your purpose, too.
L. Ron Hubbard
ABILITY. ISSUE 72. APRIL 1958
