Scientologist Bodhisattvas

Veda

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A Bodhisattva is someone who has attained enlightenment, but who returns to Earth (reincarnates) so as to help others.

Has anyone known any Bodhisattvas in Scientology?

They tend to have a bumpy ride in Scientology and, sometimes are Declared.

Sometimes they fade away diplomatically.

Child show creator Fred Rogers was never involved with Scientology, but some people think he was a Bodhisattva:



Not really related to this post, but is funny, being an old SCTV comedy skit about Mr, Rogers and Julia Child, who had a cooking show:












 
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Many years ago, I thought Ivan Obolensky was bigger than life when he was C/O AOLA. I later realized that what I admired was his applied intelligence from his pre-Scientology exceptional education, his terrific social skills (also part of his earlier education, as he was raised upper class) and his management skills, which were extraordinary.

I later found out that In his personal life, he certainly had major flaws and he wasted many, many years of his life in Scientology, so he could and did make some terrible, destructive decisions and in family and other matters had poor judgement. He wasn’t Bodhisattva, not even close. Just a flawed human being.

Then there was Michael Silverman. Again, it was his charm, intelligence and other skills that impressed me. Silverman was much warmer and caring about individuals than Ivan and I saw him help others with his own money and make personal sacrifices many times. When he was at his best, he could connect to a person in the most personal, deep way. No judgement, just completely accepting the person in front of him with love. Thousands loved and cherished Michael in the years he worked at AOLA. Michael went through a lot of pain and turmoil working for Scientology but tried to stay positive no matter what. For all the joy he got from his vast array of friendships, his mistreatment there and the horrible schedule and demands kept him from ever creating a happy personal life for himself while in. Poor Michael. Thank goodness he is out now! I was so happy when he finally left that place. He deserved and deserves better.

So there were two people with great skills and intelligence who could have been successful anywhere at anything but still managed to make a terrible decision and get sucked into the cult of Scientology and work like slaves for a belief in a state that it couldn’t produce. They were human.

I think it’s important to know that long after they’ve left, these people and others we admired in Scientology never considered their time there as wasted, despite later leaving. If one is to become a Bodhisattva, learning to humble one’s self enough to accept your mistakes, fix them however you can and forgive yourself and shift gears and start over takes inner power, self-inspection and a determination to fully live. To still love others and the world and succeed at a new venture and life takes incredible strength, humility and character. Michael Silverman was and is flawed, but he was and did all these things and is as close to a Bodhisattva as I might have ever known in this life. He was real. He was humble and he loved others and used his skills as best he could to help. Too bad the Scientology Bridge was a Bridge to Nowhere. And Michael moved on without losing his humanity. He was wrong. We all were. But we can’t ruin the rest of our lives with regrets and he didn’t, just shifted gears and moved forward. Good for Michael.

I hope Michael reads this, wherever he is now. 👋 Hi Michael! 🤗
 
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Veda

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We may have had one here on ESMB and ESMBR.

Paul Adams, a.k.a. Dulloldfart, was in the Sea Org for many years.







Link to Paul's Robot Auditor

Paul had been a course supervisor and auditor at both St. Hill in England and at the AO in Los Angeles, if I recall correctly.

Paul created Paul's Robot Auditor, and Paul's Rabbit E-books, and also many videos which are scattered about the Net.

Here are a few:





 
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We may have had one here on ESMB and ESMBR.

Paul Adams, a.k.a. Dulloldfart, was in the Sea Org for many years.







Link to Paul's Robot Auditor

Paul had been a course supervisor and auditor at both St. Hill in England and at the AO in Los Angeles, if I recall correctly.

Paul created Paul's Robot Auditor, and Paul's Rabbit E-books, and also many videos which are scattered about the Net.

Here are a few:





Paul was a kind, compassionate and generous person who always worked hard to see things from another’s point of view. He was always willing to chat and listen and learn more, never condescending or a braggart, but quiet and polite. I miss him and wish him the best in whatever the afterlife brings. 💕
 

programmer_guy

True ex-Scientologist
I liked Paul Adams and had an enjoyable personal conversation with him on Skype many years ago. :)
(I don't remember when but I also bought a copy of Microsoft Office software and mailed it to him.)

It was sad to find out that he had passed away,
 
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PirateAndBum

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Could John McMaster have been one? I never knew him but I know that some people who did spoke very highly of him.
I don't think McMasters was. Listen to Jon Atack's recent interview with Andy Noilch for some insight.

I doubt there were any Bodhisattva's produced by Scientology. Scientology is diametrically opposite to the state of enlightenment. Scientology is an ego boosting process. Enlightenment is finding out that there is no personal self.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Sorry, I don't think so, life's too short. I'd rather listen to Ken Dodd singing "Tears for Souivenirs" for two hours.
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LOL LOL !

Wasn't familiar with Ken Dodd's cool version, released in 1965. Just read that it was originally released by Rudy Vallee back in 1929. Whoa!


The version I knew was JERRY VALE's cover, also 1965. I think i first heard it many decades later in a Martin Scorcese mafia film.


Oh wow, another cover was a big hit too, the next year (1966) by Bobby Vinton. . .



Oh well, I might as well throw in the Rudee Valle version too. . .



OKAY SO VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE VERSION


It's time for another artist to cover it---an ex-Scientology version:

Tears for souvenirs are all you've left me
Sneers for all those Clears, are all you've left me​
Memories of a love you never meant
Memories of a state Ron did invent​
I just can't believe you could forget me
I just can't believe you could betray me​
After all those happy hours we spent
After all those jumbo-dumbo dollars that I spent!​

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Cat's Squirrel

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Sorry HH, I wiped that post.

It's probably not that bad a song, it's just that when I was at primary school (what you would call grade school in the US) I remember it being used to taunt someone who was crying; kids can be like that.

Anyway, Rush also did a song with the same title and it's a good one;

 

HelluvaHoax!

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I don't think McMasters was. Listen to Jon Atack's recent interview with Andy Noilch for some insight.

I doubt there were any Bodhisattva's produced by Scientology. Scientology is diametrically opposite to the state of enlightenment. Scientology is an ego boosting process. Enlightenment is finding out that there is no personal self.
If Scientology HAD produced a Bodhisattva who possessed ALL THE MAGICALLY MIRACULOUS POWERS promised by Hubbard's Grade Chart/Bridge (e.g. full exteriorization with perception, levitation, total cause over life, curing all diseases, soaring one's IQ to mega genius, exalted states of happiness, total knowingness, inordinate wealth, perfect health, ability to create and manifest material object, immortality, et al) here is what would have happened:

The Bodhisattva would have been degraded, declared & disconnected.

REASON: Because despite having achieved all the powers Hubbard promised/sold but never delivered to even one person, the Bodhisattva would have been attacked and fair gamed for the high crime of "engaging in other practices in an attempt to sabotage the Bridge to Total Freedom, mankind's only hope!".

PC PARADOX: The worst conceivable crime in Scientology would be discovering a tech that actually produced the state of OT. The grinning Scientologists preserve their most vicious hatred and thuggery for such despicable criminals!


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HelluvaHoax!

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Sorry HH, I wiped that post. It's probably not that bad a song, it's just that when I was at primary school (what you would call grade school in the US) I remember it being used to taunt someone who was crying; kids can be like that.

LOL! I am not a fan of that song either. I just was curious to check out different covers of it and got a big laugh that you volunteered to listen to that song for hours instead of trying to find a Scientology Bodhisattva! I thought that was a hilarious response.

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Zertel

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In the 1970s there was a popular tv show called "Kung Fu". David Carradine played the character Kwai Chang Caine who was a Shaolin monk hiding from Chinese authorities by travelling in the old American West.

Said of Caine:

Looked for he cannot be seen
Listened for he cannot be heard
Reached for he cannot be touched

At the time I had no idea what a Bhodisattva was, but those would be some pretty cool OT abilities to develop. Unfortunately scn did not provide me with such.
 
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HelluvaHoax!

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Sorry HH, I wiped that post.

It's probably not that bad a song, it's just that when I was at primary school (what you would call grade school in the US) I remember it being used to taunt someone who was crying; kids can be like that.

Anyway, Rush also did a song with the same title and it's a good one;


Rush, nice!

Also the old school R&B group THE STYLISTICS had a similarly named song.

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Just realized that i am derailing this thread like a mo-fo! Oooops! Sorry Veda. But, would I be totally forgiven and in fact celebrated if it was discovered that I am, in fact, a Bodhisattva—who uses the spiritually curative powers of music to save beings less advanced than myself?

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HelluvaHoax!

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In the 1970s there was a popular tv show called "Kung Fu". David Carradine played the character Kwai Chan Caine who was a Shaolin monk hiding from Chinese authorities by travelling in the old American West.

Said of Caine:

Looked for he cannot be seen
Listened for he cannot be heard
Reached for he cannot be touched

At the time I had no idea what a Bhodisatva was, but those would be some pretty cool OT abilities to develop. Unfortunately scn did not provide me with such.
Those qualities you describe were extremely advanced OT powers.

I believe only L. Ron Hubbard attained those levels---and beyond!

Looked for—he cannot be seen​
Listened for—he cannot be heard​
Reached for—he cannot be touched​
Indicted or sued—he cannot be located nor served.​
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HelluvaHoax!

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Child show creator Fred Rogers was never involved with Scientology, but some people think he was a Bodhisattva:


What a presentation! Perfection!

In virtually every conceivable way the exact opposite of today's academic agenda for kids.

I have a feeling that Mr. Rogers would not have liked teaching small children to hate with Critical Race Theory.


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F.Bullbait

Wise Guy
Those qualities you describe were extremely advanced OT powers.

I believe only L. Ron Hubbard attained those levels---and beyond!

Looked for—he cannot be seen​
Listened for—he cannot be heard​
Reached for—he cannot be touched​
Indicted or sued—he cannot be located nor served.​
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If only we couldn't see him or hear him.



LRH branded everything.

 
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