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Plagiarism, even if proven, is not statute crime anywhere in the United States, Britain, or EU.

if you want to get down to fine points, that's not necessarily true:

There are some cases where plagiarism can become a crime.



and if you were intentionally splitting hairs, why not just inform the discussion about the exact details of the matter?
 
if you want to get down to fine points, that's not necessarily true:





and if you were intentionally splitting hairs, why not just inform the discussion about the exact details of the matter?
Plagiarism is a crime here, at least in two instances that I can recall:
1. You use plagiarism to earn money (IE: publish someone else's boook as your own) Basically not paying royalties to the actual author etc.
2.. You use plagiarism to obtain something like a certificate (like a doctoral thesis etc).


Now keep in mind that I'm not a lawer. And I'm not sure which of these two instances would qualify as a 'wykroczenie' and which as 'przestepstwo'... or perhaps even that could depend on the circumstances.
 
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Plagiarism is a form of theft, taking someone else's property as one's own. Hubbard was the poster child for for that kind of theft, although his pattern was to rewrite and reconfigure in his own created terminology, which hid and shielded him effectively. Plagiarism is violation of copyright law (when the material has been legally protected by copyright). It is most definitely a crime, but not the kind to be criminally prosecuted; it's a "civil crime", in that it goes unchecked unless legal remedy is pursued in civil action by the proper author/owner.
An example of Hubbard's such activity and his particular method is his rebranding of "his" "study tech", shown to him by the Berners, a couple who were, among other things, educators. Celebrated by Scientologists as an example of Hubbard's "brilliance", Hubbard responded impassively when presented with it, and then quickly seized on it to dazzle and distract participants in his daily "Briefing course" lectures in East Grinstead, when his "GPM research" tanked and dead-ended without ever having arrived at producing results acceptable and worthwhile enough to be included in Scientology's "bridge", i.e., "grade chart". From first-hand reports to me, the students were shocked at the abruptness with which all mention of what had been the all-consuming subject for months and months ended without any form of arriving at formal processing, was abandoned, and all of a sudden, it was simply about "Hubbard's" "study tech". You didn't dare question "the master", you just tried to keep up. The shock, confusion and redirection of attention served as face-saving, as well as self-promoting.
 
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I find the 'study tech' to be nonsense. It is quite possible to study and integrate material while going past words you don't understand. In the real world it happens all the time. I am not sure we should give the Berners 'credit' for it since it is untrue. But the point about LRH stealing much of Scientology's gobbledygook is certainly valid.

An example of Hubbard's such activity and his particular method is his rebranding of "his" "study tech", shown to him by the Berners, a couple who were, among other things, educators. Celebrated by Scientologists as an example of Hubbard's "brilliance", Hubbard responded impassively when presented with it, and then quickly seized on it to dazzle and distract participants in his daily "Briefing course" lectures in East Grinstead, when his "GPM research" tanked and dead-ended without ever having arrived at producing acceptable results.
 
Plagiarism is a form of theft, taking someone else's property as one's own. Hubbard was the poster child for for that kind of theft, although his pattern was to rewrite and reconfigure in his own created terminology, which hid and shielded him effectively. Plagiarism is violation of copyright law (when the material has been legally protected by copyright). It is most definitely a crime, but not the kind to be criminally prosecuted; it's a "civil crime", in that it goes unchecked unless legal remedy is pursued in civil action by the proper author/owner.
An example of Hubbard's such activity and his particular method is his rebranding of "his" "study tech", shown to him by the Berners, a couple who were, among other things, educators. Celebrated by Scientologists as an example of Hubbard's "brilliance", Hubbard responded impassively when presented with it, and then quickly seized on it to dazzle and distract participants in his daily "Briefing course" lectures in East Grinstead, when his "GPM research" tanked and dead-ended without ever having arrived at producing results acceptable and worthwhile enough to be included in Scientology's "bridge", i.e., "grade chart". From first-hand reports to me, the students were shocked at the abruptness with which all mention of what had been the all-consuming subject for months and months ended without any form of arriving at formal processing, was abandoned, and all of a sudden, it was simply about "Hubbard's" "study tech". You didn't dare question "the master", you just tried to keep up. The shock, confusion and redirection of attention served as face-saving, as well as self-promoting.
Plagiarism is not the same thing as copyright theft. You can't copyright an idea. Copying ideas is perfectly legal. Passing it off as your original idea is unethical but not illegal.
 
I find the 'study tech' to be nonsense. It is quite possible to study and integrate material while going past words you don't understand. In the real world it happens all the time. I am not sure we should give the Berners 'credit' for it since it is untrue. But the point about LRH stealing much of Scientology's gobbledygook is certainly valid.
I find some value in it, but I disagree with the over-application enforced in Hubbard's world. It has its place to define terms used, and there's some value to the rest of it, but only when truly applicable. Looking up every definition of each word "cleared", instead of just the applicable definition is, to me, overkill, all you need do is recognize that when a word doesn't seem to make sense in the context, there's another meaning to it, and you can look that up as needed. And I doubt that the Berners' original materials called for such overkill; it was a way for Hubbard to keep courserooms occupied and populated. If someone wants to derail their course of reading or study to turn it into a lengthy vocabulary lesson, they're free to do that, but I think most of us are reading what we're reading because that's what we want to read, and not digress into a different activity.
 
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Plagiarism is not the same thing as copyright theft. You can't copyright an idea. Copying ideas is perfectly legal. Passing it off as your original idea is unethical but not illegal.
Copyright theft can be one form of plagiarism. "The Urantia Book" comes to mind, a fairly popular supposed cosmology of the universe written by extraterrestrials, several famous musicians and some musician friends of mine were heavily into it in the 1970's, and it has been the inspiration for a few songs. But it later came out that it was largely plagiarized:
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n 1992, a reader of The Urantia Book, Matthew Block, self-published a paper that showed The Urantia Book utilized material from 15 other books.[128] All of the source authors identified in Block's paper were published in English between 1905 and 1943 by U.S. publishers and are typically scholarly or academic works that contain concepts and wording similar to what is found in The Urantia Book.[126] Block has since claimed to have discovered over 125 source texts that were incorporated into the papers.[129]

The use of outside source materials was studied separately by Gardner, and Gooch, and they concluded, consistent with their respective conclusion that the book's author(s) must have been human, that the book therefore plagiarized many of the sources noted by Block.[130][131]

For instance, Gardner and Block note that Paper 85 appears to have been taken from the first eight chapters of Origin and Evolution of Religion by Edward Washburn Hopkins, published by Yale University Press in 1923.[132] Each section of the paper corresponds to a chapter in the book, with several passages possibly used as direct material and further material used in Papers 86-90 and 92. (In addition to the book's "heavy indebtedness to Hopkins," Gardner discovered that Hopkins was a major reference in an earlier book authored by Sadler, adding to Gardner's view that it is more likely Sadler had a hand in writing or editing The Urantia Book than that celestial beings wrote it.) Likewise, much of The Urantia Book material relating to the evolution of mankind appears to have been directly taken from Henry Fairfield Osborn, Man Rises to Parnassus: Critical Epochs in the Prehistory of Man published by Princeton University Press in 1928.[133]

In one example cited by Block and confirmed by Gardner and Gooch, the original author discusses the periodicity of the chemical elements and concludes that the harmony in the construction of the atom suggests some unspecified plan of organization. The authors of The Urantia Book assert that this harmony is evidence of the intelligent design of the universe. W. F. G. Swann writes on page 64 of The Architecture of the Universe (italics indicate edits as compared to The Urantia Book, bolding indicates deletions):[134][135]


Starting from any one of them [i.e., chemical elements], and noting some property such as the melting point, for example, the property would change as we went along the row, but as we continued it would gradually come back to the condition very similar to that which we started ... The eighth element was in many respects like the first, the ninth like the second, the tenth like the third, and so on. Such a slate of affairs point not only to a varied internal structure, but also to a certain harmony in that variation suggestive of some organized plan in building the atom.


Contrast with The Urantia Book's version:


Starting from any one element, after noting some one property, such a quality will exchange for six consecutive elements, but on reaching the eighth, it tends to reappear, that is, the eighth chemically active element resembles the first, the ninth the second, and so on. Such a fact of the physical world unmistakably points to the sevenfold constitution of ancestral energy and is indicative of the fundamental reality of the sevenfold diversity of the creations of time and space.

Block and other believers do not see the use of the source materials as plagiarism, but express a view instead that the quality of the way the material was borrowed is consistent with authorship by celestial beings and that study of the sources leads to an even deeper understanding of The Urantia Book.[136][137] Gooch, a professor of English, assessed that the use of the sources "does reveal to us an author with a busy genius for metaphysical invention and poetic turns of phrase whose scam was at worst benign and at most visionary."[138] Asked by Gardner what he thought of these plagiarisms, Sprunger responded in a letter by saying that if humans wrote the book the plagiarisms would indeed be disturbing but not if it was written by supermortals.[139]"
 
Copying ideas is perfectly legal.
Some newer members here may not know about this bit of history. As I recall . . .

Post-Scientology, David Mayo believed that parts of Scientology could be recast as a therapy
without all the complexity and harmful stuff of the COS. He took the basic techniques of New
Era Dianetics and reworked them into something named Traumatic Incident Reduction (TIR),
which is described in the book introducing Metapsychology (1995) by Frank Gerbode. They
gave a nod to Freud and his earlier work in the similar vein.

So, Mayo believed a beneficial talk therapy could be developed. That said, Metapsychology
and TIR did not exactly set the world on fire. I have the book, but have to admit I haven't read
it. Just browsed through it a few times. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Some newer members here may not know about this bit of history. As I recall . . .

Post-Scientology, David Mayo believed that parts of Scientology could be recast as a therapy
without all the complexity and harmful stuff of the COS. He took the basic techniques of New
Era Dianetics and reworked them into something named Traumatic Incident Reduction (TIR),
which is described in the book introducing Metapsychology (1995) by Frank Gerbode. They
gave a nod to Freud and his earlier work in the similar vein.

So, Mayo believed a beneficial talk therapy could be developed. That said, Metapsychology
and TIR did not exactly set the world on fire. I have the book, but have to admit I haven't read
it. Just browsed through it a few times. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A friend of mine practices Metapsychology, he's been surprised when I've related to him the specifics of how some of the techniques he's mentioned are specific rebranded Scientology processes. I recall Scientology won the legal case against Mayo, who originated the "NOT'S" technique as an assist for Hubbard when he was in a very poor state, based on the idea that Mayo originated it as a paid employee of the organization and so it was their property (and not disputing Mayo's authorship).
 
Plagiarism, even if proven, is not statute crime anywhere in the United States, Britain, or EU.
Nor is conscription a crime and sending 50,000+ young people to die on Vietnamese battlefields in a meaningless venture. I don't need the law to tell me what constitutes certain crimes not in their books. Hubbard's religion doesn't constitute a crime either, yet it stole my money and ripped my family apart.
You may indeed be correct in legal terms, and here we are... to me it is at minimum a moral crime and if I can discredit Hubbard I will and as I already have mentioning this. As I said I believe it's worth simply as reference material regarding Scientology, it may be useful at some point. Is looking over a student's shoulder and copying their answers in an exam a crime? Only if you're caught I suppose...
 
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An example of Hubbard's such activity and his particular method is his rebranding of "his" "study tech", shown to him by the Berners, a couple who were, among other things, educators. Celebrated by Scientologists as an example of Hubbard's "brilliance", Hubbard responded impassively when presented with it, and then quickly seized on it to dazzle and distract participants in his daily "Briefing course" lectures in East Grinstead, when his "GPM research" tanked and dead-ended without ever having arrived at producing results acceptable and worthwhile enough to be included in Scientology's "bridge", i.e., "grade chart".

in an interview, Eva Berner said they originally suggested what became 'study tech', because they observed that he was losing his students by making up and using neologisms that were undefined, and needed a sort of glossary of them.

Eva also said like that pretty much everything came from others, not 'source'.
 
in an interview, Eva Berner said they originally suggested what became 'study tech', because they observed that he was losing his students by making up and using neologisms that were undefined, and needed a sort of glossary of them.

Eva also said like that pretty much everything came from others, not 'source'.
Yes, particularly at that time, 1961-1965, there was a collection of talented contributors whose contributions Hubbard absorbed and configured into "his" Scientology- The Berners, John McMaster, John Galusha, Alan Walter, Jack Horner and others. It is best covered in Alan Walter's original ESMB thread "Opening Pandora's Box". I've read it several times in the past, but right now I'm not coming up with a link, maybe somebody else here knows how and where.
 
I find some value in it, but I disagree with the over-application enforced in Hubbard's world. It has its place to define terms used, and there's some value to the rest of it, but only when truly applicable. Looking up every definition of each word "cleared, instead of just the applicable definition is, to me, overkill, all you need do is recognize that when a word doesn't seem to make sense in the context, there's another meaning to it, and you can look that up as needed. And I doubt that the Berners' original materials called for such overkill; it was a way for Hubbard to keep courserooms occupied and populated. If someone wants to derail their course of reading or study to turn it into a lengthy vocabulary lesson, they're free to do that, but I think most of us are reading what we're reading because that's what we want to read, and not digress into a different activity.
You should look up words you don't know, IF it's interfering with your understanding of the material, and IF it's important for you to understand that particular thing.

There used to (?) be a course called the Basic Study Manual, which was a very stripped-down version of The Student Hat. It had no Study Tapes, took about a week part-time and cost, IIRC, $75 in 1975. On that course there was something called "Evaluation of Importances." The point was to teach you to pick out the parts of what you were studying that were important and not get hung up on the rest. That was something worth learning, but it seemed to drop out of scn after that, and everything became important.

I think the reason for this "everything is important" kick is that in scn, THE PROMISED RESULT IS NEVER ACHIEVED. There are no real clears or real OT's. But the holy "tech" itself is beyond criticism. Hubbard knew everything and therefore was always right. So if scn isn't working (and ultimately it never does), the problem cannot be the fault of the tech. It's not working, they say, because it's not being fully applied. So what we need is MORE study tech, MORE ethics, MORE repair actions, etc. This doesn't make it work either, but at least preserves the illusion that eventually it will. (For a while, at least ....)

There are plenty of problems with study tech, e.g.:

1) Scn says if you can't define a word, you don't understand it. Is this true? If you know what "ARC Break" means, and you understand English, don't you understand the question "Do you have an ARC Break?" even if you can't define the other words? (Of course you do.)

2) Demo kits are useless. Giving students pink sheets for not using a demo kit is just Dev-T (unnecessary and obstructive).

3) Clay demos may help demonstrate to someone else that you understand something, but I never felt they helped me personally understand anything.

4) The "study phenomena" Hubbard describes as the result of not applying study tech are actually the result of POST-HYPNOTIC SUGGESTIONS planted by Hubbard and would be much less evident or completely absent otherwise.
 
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Yes, particularly at that time, 1961-1965, there was a collection of talented contributors whose contributions Hubbard absorbed and configured into "his" Scientology- The Berners, John McMaster, John Galusha, Alan Walter, Jack Horner and others. It is best covered in Alan Walter's original ESMB thread "Opening Pandora's Box". I've read it several times in the past, but right now I'm not coming up with a link, maybe somebody else here knows how and where.
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Post-Scientology, David Mayo believed that parts of Scientology could be recast as a therapy
without all the complexity and harmful stuff of the COS. He took the basic techniques of New
Era Dianetics and reworked them into something named Traumatic Incident Reduction (TIR),
which is described in the book introducing Metapsychology (1995) by Frank Gerbode. They
gave a nod to Freud and his earlier work in the similar vein.

i think there's a good argument LHR cribbed from Freud and others, and TIR just went back to the roots. one of the few things 'source' seemed to have a real talent for, was taking and being given credit for others' work.

Gerbode was actually a trained psychiatrist from a wealthy family whose father was a surgeon, and Mike Rinder has written about how he was assigned to follow Sarge's work on TIR and make sure anything that violated CoS copyrights was not included in it.

to me, TIR is the wet dream of the loyalists and indies, a well-funded, professional and rigorously scientific effort to distill the 'good' and what was 'workable' from Dn and Scn, and create an organization to deliver it. and in the end all it produced was an undistinguished, moderately effective talk therapy without enough to offer to really catch on.

i actually checked a few years ago to see if there were any practitioners near where i lived then. it looks like the ones i remember that were still a bit too far are gone now, so it's likely they're going the way of CoS mission network as the generation with an interest in such things shuffles off stage:

 
You should look up words you don't know, IF it's interfering with your understanding of the material, and IF it's important for you to understand that particular thing.

There used to (?) be a course called the Basic Study Manual, which was a very stripped-down version of The Student Hat. It had no Study Tapes, took about a week part-time and cost, IIRC, $75 in 1975. On that course there was something called "Evaluation of Importances." The point was to teach you to pick out the parts of what you were studying that were important and not get hung up on the rest. That was something worth learning, but it seemed to drop out of scn after that, and everything became important.

I think the reason for this "everything is important" kick is that in scn, THE PROMISED RESULT IS NEVER ACHIEVED. There are no real clears or real OT's. But the holy "tech" itself is beyond criticism. Hubbard knew everything and therefore was always right. So if scn isn't working (and ultimately it never does), the problem cannot be the fault of the tech. It's not working, they say, because it's not being fully applied. So what we need is MORE study tech, MORE ethics, MORE repair actions, etc. This doesn't make it work either, but at least preserves the illusion that eventually it will. (For a while, at least ....)

There are plenty of problems with study tech, e.g.:

1) Scn says if you can't define a word, you don't understand it. Is this true? If you know what "ARC Break" means, and you understand English, don't you understand the question "Do you have an ARC Break?", even if you can't define the other words? (Of course you do.)

2) Demo kits are useless. Giving students pink sheets for not using a demo kit is just Dev-T (unnecessary and obstructive).

3) Clay demos may help demonstrate to someone else that you understand something, but I never felt they helped me personally understand anything.

4) The "study phenomena" Hubbard describes as the result of not applying study tech are actually the result of POST-HYPNOTIC SUGGESTIONS planted by Hubbard and would be much less evident or completely absent otherwise.
Simply put, if as you're reading something, you're no longer tracking with what you're reading when you encounter some not-understood term or phrase, obviously you need to get it understood to get back on track. Not complicated. Speaking of "study phenomena", how both funny and annoying is it when you yawn, and you get told "you have an mu":roflmao::banghead:
And notice this example of how, even when we reject and oppose the dogma and indoctrination of Scientology, we don't realize how much the impressions yet remain ingrained (You're use of the term "Dev-t") :) We think we're all the way out, but who really knows if we ever fully get there, or how long that will take.
 
A friend of mine practices Metapsychology, he's been surprised when I've related to him the specifics of how some of the techniques he's mentioned are specific rebranded Scientology processes. I recall Scientology won the legal case against Mayo, who originated the "NOT'S" technique as an assist for Hubbard when he was in a very poor state, based on the idea that Mayo originated it as a paid employee of the organization and so it was their property (and not disputing Mayo's authorship).
A lot of the ideas behind the NOTs came from early research where Hubbard used his PCs in sort of mystical exercises. This is one of the tape lectures delving into the ownership of incidents. Goes with the OT VIII study course along with History of Man book and Technique 88.

For a June 1952 lecture, it goes rapidly, and is loaded with the various ways your PC gets extra bits of timetrack added. LRH seems to tread lightly, leaving out parts of his spoken sentences. He's tiptoeing about. More in depth than the Between lives or Helatrobus. You can actually detect he is prior to the insanity point. It's also a view as to why GPMs were given up. David Mayo actually had to help with the hodgepodge of misconceptions that would evolve into the 'ownership' style of address. Natural Clear seems to get covered in 1952 . Was no coincidence that misconceptions and a new 'kind' of Clear would both up end Scn at the same time.

14 5206c26 - Theta And Genetic Lines.mp3

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Bingo, thanks! And notice how even Alan speaks in overblown, stilted terms about the import of all of that. I think Alan was brilliant, and his "knowledgism" was a sort of "Scientology 2.0", substantially more useful, but still, he was far from free of the Hubbard influence, and that compromised his thinking, and showed in his hyperbolic manner of speaking.
 
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