Ron departed for "Target Two" or not? ChatGPT opines.

[cakemaker]

Silicon Sickness: AI Chatbots Like ChatGPT Feed into Delusions, Send Users on Downward Spiral

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"However, some experts believe the core issue is that these AI systems, trained on internet data, can pick up and reflect back strange ideas from science fiction, conspiracy theories, and fringe online communities in statistically unpredictable ways. When conversing with mentally fragile individuals, the bots may perversely endorse and encourage delusional thinking."​

That already happens in normal conversation.

As Mark Twain said, "When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained."

 

[Hatshepsut]

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Hubbard actually intentionally set up that creepy dynamic (where Scientologists wanted "OUT") and embedded in in Scientology since the early 1950s. By "out" we are of course referring to going OUT of one's body. Going OUT of the DB/CRIMINAL planet. And to quote Hubbard, to "GET OUT OF THE MEST TRAP".

Consider for a moment the countless times Hubbard degraded humans. . .

Consider for a moment the countless times Hubbard degraded the earth as a "10th rate planet in a 12th rate galaxy".

Consider for a moment the countless times Hubbard degraded the Physical ("MEST") Universe itself.

Hubbard's freakish mythological model was that a Scientologist should learn to despise the indignities of life on Earth and within the physical world. One was considered a "DB" if they did not want to ESCAPE the trap of being in a body on earth in the physical world.

In my opinion Hubbard was peddling a soft suicide for Scientologists where (even if they didn't kill themselves) they certainly were expected to UNPLUG & DISCONNECT FROM schools, universities, the medical industry, the mental health industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the scientific community, the law enforcement community, the tax agencies, the regulatory agencies, the worlds of leisure-tourism-vacations, et al. Hubbard did not want anyone to be connected to anything else than Scientology 24/7.

For fun, anyone can ask a scientologists what they think about the Earth or what their opinion is of Humans. If you have very modest skills of helping people relax and say what they really think, you will find out that Scientologists will happily and dutifully repeat back to you all of the cliches and bizarre "axioms" that Hubbard taught them.

LRH spewed a lot about implant stations, theta traps and galactic history. It was impossible for him to go back and amend his statements late in the game. I know many folks finishing L's in 1981-82, discovered it bullshit. Or mostly that. There's a point where you change, I guess, and the space you occupy is what you're being. If outside of time, you are not IN this world, or at least not totally in it. A perfect state of being in the present leaves no attachment to previous 'minds' or lives. They don't exist anymore. So where did that track go...... along with the previous definitions of Self, you clung to. What is death if transitions between the modalites loses their importance. A simple shift in awareness, but from that vantage point, it seems there's a truest Truth. "I'm still ME.....yet, even more me"

Hospice nurse has some previous ideas challenged. It's not over until it's over.

There seems a reservoir of associated knowledge we can draw from out of the universal mind, a living mind? There are proprietary softwares, tethered to unique spheres, those things we are involved with and identify as being. .

In the Enneads of Plotinus, he was trying not to be pantheistic, but is positing an operating 'soul' of each separate 'part'.
Maybe these could be consider group minds which held all the knowledge and sensations needed for running a sphere of being. Aren't these similar to AI, only a spiritual AI.

Same revelations,

Half a millennium in late antiquity was dedicated to extracting the soul from encasement and restoring its original nature..

 

[Inanna]

He also wrote a little poem about “don’t look for me, I won’t be there.”

 

[Inanna]

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Hubbard actually intentionally set up that creepy dynamic (where Scientologists wanted "OUT") and embedded in in Scientology since the early 1950s. By "out" we are of course referring to going OUT of one's body. Going OUT of the DB/CRIMINAL planet. And to quote Hubbard, to "GET OUT OF THE MEST TRAP".

Consider for a moment the countless times Hubbard degraded humans. . .

Consider for a moment the countless times Hubbard degraded the earth as a "10th rate planet in a 12th rate galaxy".

Consider for a moment the countless times Hubbard degraded the Physical ("MEST") Universe itself.

Hubbard's freakish mythological model was that a Scientologist should learn to despise the indignities of life on Earth and within the physical world. One was considered a "DB" if they did not want to ESCAPE the trap of being in a body on earth in the physical world.

In my opinion Hubbard was peddling a soft suicide for Scientologists where (even if they didn't kill themselves) they certainly were expected to UNPLUG & DISCONNECT FROM schools, universities, the medical industry, the mental health industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the scientific community, the law enforcement community, the tax agencies, the regulatory agencies, the worlds of leisure-tourism-vacations, et al. Hubbard did not want anyone to be connected to anything else than Scientology 24/7.

For fun, anyone can ask a scientologists what they think about the Earth or what their opinion is of Humans. If you have very modest skills of helping people relax and say what they really think, you will find out that Scientologists will happily and dutifully repeat back to you all of the cliches and bizarre "axioms" that Hubbard taught them.

It appears to me that he stole the idea from Buddhism. Then, of course, added tons and tons of his own spin, some of which you’ve mentioned here.

 

[Helena Handbasket]

Miscavige could easily turn CoS into a suicide cult if he wanted to. All he would have to do is claim he's releasing OT IX and X, and assert that they must be done in a fully exterior state. A handful of the true believers would sign up for it! It's their chance to work directly with Hubbard!
[snip]

I thought that was called Endocrine States, part of Super Power.

Helena

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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It appears to me that he stole the idea from Buddhism. Then, of course, added tons and tons of his own spin, some of which you’ve mentioned here.
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You make a good point.

However, to counter your contention about cultural appropriation, we should at least acknowledge that in a courtroom no jury could convict the Commodore of any crime. Because no theft could be adjudicated if Scientology's lawyers marched into court with a fully charged e-meter and scientifically proved that Ron was Buddha!

There are also many differentiators between the two religions. For example, Buddhism did not have the multitude of breakthroughs that Scientology discovered - - such as overboarding & chainlocker tech. The lack of scientific technology is why Buddhism faded out of existence and currently does not even have one (1) Ideal Org with body routers and sidewalk stress tests.

It's much worse than that, if we want to be perfectly honest about it. When is the last time anyone on this planet saw a photo of a Buddhist being awarded a bowling trophy? Like never, right? No wonder Tom Cruise ghosted Buddhism!

It's a shame, because Buddhism would still be around today if they had at least used any of Ron's advanced technology —like writing letters to people who had previously been in Buddhism but blew because of their crimes.

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[Dankmeme]

Okay, so Ron didn't choose to "drop the meat body" - but he chose to drop a fucktonne of pinks and greys during his life. (Which explains a lot about the whole 'Space Opera' schtick, quite frankly.)

 

[Zertel]

LRH spewed a lot about implant stations, theta traps and galactic history. It was impossible for him to go back and amend his statements late in the game. I know many folks finishing L's in 1981-82, discovered it bullshit. Or mostly that. There's a point where you change, I guess, and the space you occupy is what you're being. If outside of time, you are not IN this world, or at least not totally in it. A perfect state of being in the present leaves no attachment to previous 'minds' or lives. They don't exist anymore. So where did that track go...... along with the previous definitions of Self, you clung to. What is death if transitions between the modalites loses their importance. A simple shift in awareness, but from that vantage point, it seems there's a truest Truth. "I'm still ME.....yet, even more me"

Hospice nurse has some previous ideas challenged. It's not over until it's over.

There seems a reservoir of associated knowledge we can draw from out of the universal mind, a living mind? There are proprietary softwares, tethered to unique spheres, those things we are involved with and identify as being. .

In the Enneads of Plotinus, he was trying not to be pantheistic, but is positing an operating 'soul' of each separate 'part'.
Maybe these could be consider group minds which held all the knowledge and sensations needed for running a sphere of being. Aren't these similar to AI, only a spiritual AI.

Same revelations,

Half a millennium in late antiquity was dedicated to extracting the soul from encasement and restoring its original nature..

In the 1950s when I was a young boy my grandmother told me that angels helped her and they would help me too if I asked them. Obviously I wasn't too interested in angels at that time. She was a devout Christian but also gave astrology readings saying that god created the universe so we could admire and interpret it. She also sold some type of health food product, maybe some form of seaweed product.

So maybe I have some type of genetic propensity which gave me favor toward scn with its "spiritual" leanings although my entry point in the 1970s was that it was an investigation of the mind, a form of psychology. I probably would have done well if I had joined some Buddhist group but that would have been from a past life propensity. Some sects of Zen Buddhism believe it's possible to achieve Instant Enlightenment. I'm not pursuing that but hey, why not?!

 

[Hatshepsut]

In the 1950s when I was a young boy my grandmother told me that angels helped her and they would help me too if I asked them. Obviously I wasn't too interested in angels at that time. She was a devout Christian but also gave astrology readings saying that god created the universe so we could admire and interpret it. She also sold some type of health food product, maybe some form of seaweed product.

So maybe I have some type of genetic propensity which gave me favor toward scn with its "spiritual" leanings although my entry point in the 1970s was that it was an investigation of the mind, a form of psychology. I probably would have done well if I had joined some Buddhist group but that would have been from a past life propensity. Some sects of Zen Buddhism believe it's possible to achieve Instant Enlightenment. I'm not pursuing that but hey, why not?!

The thing about Zen is that it disempowers that hidden foe within which gives fixed definition of self . We used to call it a service facsimile, but it's that core idea that keeps us located in space___ positioned in a game. We are a universe. There are laws about the things inside it and those occluded by perimeters. Being an Individual is a game. A viewpoint can actually be a sandwiched 'pair' of creation desires, with iinclinations towards__and strongly away from.

In a 1956 tape on valences, LRH maintained this deliberate pairing was coincident at higher level of the game using a body in pawn. Are we repeatedly going in to this real world here, as an incorporated 'pair'? He'd be referring to engineering of a game. Scientology claimed to teach an escape route from being trapped by any fixed condition or phenomena. De-encapsulating or exteriorizing through de-pairing, might be the un-making of a game valence. It's just back-engineering what's in the original blueprints. Those concocted zig zag goal patterns entered onto CC / OT II courses, were an odd attempt to back engineer a universe/ trap. Ron seemed to view this more through an occult or kabbalistic lens later in life, rather than a Buddhist view. We didn't need more adepts; we needed more saints; those helpers instead of predators.