Ron departed for "Target Two" or not? ChatGPT opines.

[ILove2Lurk]

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Asked ChatGPT​

Who invented the "L Ron Hubbard killed off -- dropped -- his body purposely" (Jan 1986) and sailed off to another distant planet, "Target Two" that is, to knowingly research further upper levels of spiritual existence, essentially a public relations story for believers and members of the Scientology organizations. The claim is he discarded his body willingly and knowingly and he did not die of a stroke, like his medical doctor stated in writing. Who invented this fantastical story, when and where? Do you know or can you find out?​

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ChatGPT Answer
The claim that L. Ron Hubbard "dropped his body" knowingly and intentionally to continue spiritual research on another planet—often referred to as "Target Two"—was officially put forth by top Scientology leadership in January 1986, shortly after Hubbard’s death on January 24, 1986. This narrative was publicly presented by Scientology’s top spokesmen at a gathering in Hollywood on January 27, 1986.

Key People Involved in Crafting and Delivering the Story:

1. David Miscavige – Then a rising and powerful figure within Scientology (and shortly thereafter its undisputed leader), Miscavige was the main public face delivering the message that Hubbard had intentionally left his body to continue spiritual work on another level. He did this at the Hollywood Palladium event.
2. Pat Broeker and Annie Broeker – These two were Hubbard’s closest aides during his final years in seclusion. Pat Broeker in particular was presented at the same event as someone who had been entrusted by Hubbard with continuing his spiritual research. Broeker claimed that Hubbard had completed his work on "OT Levels" up to OT XVand had given them to Broeker to safeguard.
   • Pat Broeker’s involvement suggests he had a direct hand in shaping or co-signing the myth, though David Miscavige ultimately took control of the narrative and organization soon after, sidelining Broeker.
3. Scripted Messaging – The story told to Scientologists was likely carefully scripted, intended to reinforce faith, preserve Hubbard’s image, and prevent doubt about the continuity and legitimacy of Scientology's leadership and future teachings.

What Was Actually Released:

At the Hollywood Palladium briefing:

• David Miscavige said that Hubbard had “voluntarily discarded the body” because it “had become an impediment to the work he now must do outside its confines.”
• He presented this as a scientifically informed and spiritually advanced decision, not as a death from natural causes.
• There was no mention of the official cause of death: a stroke (cerebral hemorrhage), as recorded by Dr. Gene Denk, Hubbard’s personal physician.

This narrative became official doctrine and was repeated in Scientology publications and internal briefings for years.

Why the Story Was Invented:

The “Target Two” myth served several internal purposes:

• Avoided cognitive dissonance for believers who could not reconcile the death of an "Operating Thetan" with the limitations of physical death.
• Preserved Hubbard’s mystique and infallibility — portraying his death not as failure or illness but as part of a continuing galactic mission.
• Legitimized succession and future teachings — suggesting he would continue to guide Scientology from afar.

Conclusion:

The fantastical "dropped the body" story was most likely crafted by senior Scientology leadership, especially David Miscavige and Pat Broeker, in the days immediately following Hubbard’s death in late January 1986. It was first formally presented to Scientologists at the January 27, 1986 event at the Hollywood Palladium. The "Target Two" terminology was part of Scientology’s internal cosmic framework, but this specific myth served as a public relations shield to manage Hubbard's death and maintain doctrinal continuity.

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Asked ChatGPT​

Do you think he actually went off to "Target Two?"​

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ChatGPT Answers
No, there is no credible evidence to support the claim that L. Ron Hubbard actually went off to “Target Two” or knowingly “dropped his body” to continue spiritual research elsewhere. That story is best understood as a religious or mythological narrative constructed by Scientology leadership for internal doctrinal and public relations purposes.

Here's what we do know factually:

• Hubbard died of a cerebral hemorrhage (stroke) on January 24, 1986, at his remote ranch near Creston, California.
• The official cause of death was documented by his attending physician, Dr. Gene Denk, and confirmed by a coroner.
• His body was cremated almost immediately, reportedly at the request of the Church.
• At the time of his death, Hubbard had been in seclusion for several years, under the care of a very small, tightly controlled inner circle.

"Target Two" as Doctrine:

• “Target Two” was never a verifiable physical or astronomical location. It was a concept used internally within Scientology’s cosmic mythology — one in which Hubbard is a spiritual being who continues to operate and research beyond Earth.
• This language is consistent with Scientology’s belief in the immortality of the thetan (spirit) and the idea that highly advanced spiritual beings can consciously separate from the physical body.

Why this likely didn't happen:

• If this were anything more than metaphor or myth, there would presumably be:
  • Evidence of new revelations or communications from Hubbard after death.
  • Scientific or external corroboration — of which there is none.
  • A coherent body of post-1986 "discoveries" attributed to him — which never materialized in a verifiable way.

Bottom line:

The "Target Two" narrative is almost certainly a theological fiction — a story crafted to give his death a noble, mystical meaning and preserve the aura of his spiritual mastery. While some Scientologists may take it literally, from an objective standpoint, it is no more substantiated than stories of other religious founders ascending bodily to other realms.

So no, he didn't go to Target Two — he died in California in 1986, likely in pain, isolated, and under heavy control by a few trusted aides. The myth came later.

Spoiler: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[I M Dex]

Well I guess that ends the suspense for all of us. Oops, I mean, "almost certainly".

 

[I M Dex]

I know all this "whole track"/"space opera"/"OT data" stuff lacks credibility, but it does make for entertaining reading while you're sitting on the crapper, or as I call it, Target One.

 

[Hatshepsut]

"I'll show all you jokers and degraders..."

 

[Type4_PTS]

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Asked ChatGPT​

Who invented the "L Ron Hubbard killed off -- dropped -- his body purposely" (Jan 1986) and sailed off to another distant planet, "Target Two" that is, to knowingly research further upper levels of spiritual existence, essentially a public relations story for believers and members of the Scientology organizations. The claim is he discarded his body willingly and knowingly and he did not die of a stroke, like his medical doctor stated in writing. Who invented this fantastical story, when and where? Do you know or can you find out?​

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ChatGPT Answer
The claim that L. Ron Hubbard "dropped his body" knowingly and intentionally to continue spiritual research on another planet—often referred to as "Target Two"—was officially put forth by top Scientology leadership in January 1986, shortly after Hubbard’s death on January 24, 1986. This narrative was publicly presented by Scientology’s top spokesmen at a gathering in Hollywood on January 27, 1986.

Key People Involved in Crafting and Delivering the Story:

1. David Miscavige – Then a rising and powerful figure within Scientology (and shortly thereafter its undisputed leader), Miscavige was the main public face delivering the message that Hubbard had intentionally left his body to continue spiritual work on another level. He did this at the Hollywood Palladium event.
2. Pat Broeker and Annie Broeker – These two were Hubbard’s closest aides during his final years in seclusion. Pat Broeker in particular was presented at the same event as someone who had been entrusted by Hubbard with continuing his spiritual research. Broeker claimed that Hubbard had completed his work on "OT Levels" up to OT XVand had given them to Broeker to safeguard.
   • Pat Broeker’s involvement suggests he had a direct hand in shaping or co-signing the myth, though David Miscavige ultimately took control of the narrative and organization soon after, sidelining Broeker.
3. Scripted Messaging – The story told to Scientologists was likely carefully scripted, intended to reinforce faith, preserve Hubbard’s image, and prevent doubt about the continuity and legitimacy of Scientology's leadership and future teachings.

What Was Actually Released:

At the Hollywood Palladium briefing:

• David Miscavige said that Hubbard had “voluntarily discarded the body” because it “had become an impediment to the work he now must do outside its confines.”
• He presented this as a scientifically informed and spiritually advanced decision, not as a death from natural causes.
• There was no mention of the official cause of death: a stroke (cerebral hemorrhage), as recorded by Dr. Gene Denk, Hubbard’s personal physician.

This narrative became official doctrine and was repeated in Scientology publications and internal briefings for years.

Why the Story Was Invented:

The “Target Two” myth served several internal purposes:

• Avoided cognitive dissonance for believers who could not reconcile the death of an "Operating Thetan" with the limitations of physical death.
• Preserved Hubbard’s mystique and infallibility — portraying his death not as failure or illness but as part of a continuing galactic mission.
• Legitimized succession and future teachings — suggesting he would continue to guide Scientology from afar.

Conclusion:

The fantastical "dropped the body" story was most likely crafted by senior Scientology leadership, especially David Miscavige and Pat Broeker, in the days immediately following Hubbard’s death in late January 1986. It was first formally presented to Scientologists at the January 27, 1986 event at the Hollywood Palladium. The "Target Two" terminology was part of Scientology’s internal cosmic framework, but this specific myth served as a public relations shield to manage Hubbard's death and maintain doctrinal continuity.

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Asked ChatGPT​

Do you think he actually went off to "Target Two?"​

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ChatGPT Answers
No, there is no credible evidence to support the claim that L. Ron Hubbard actually went off to “Target Two” or knowingly “dropped his body” to continue spiritual research elsewhere. That story is best understood as a religious or mythological narrative constructed by Scientology leadership for internal doctrinal and public relations purposes.

Here's what we do know factually:

• Hubbard died of a cerebral hemorrhage (stroke) on January 24, 1986, at his remote ranch near Creston, California.
• The official cause of death was documented by his attending physician, Dr. Gene Denk, and confirmed by a coroner.
• His body was cremated almost immediately, reportedly at the request of the Church.
• At the time of his death, Hubbard had been in seclusion for several years, under the care of a very small, tightly controlled inner circle.

"Target Two" as Doctrine:

• “Target Two” was never a verifiable physical or astronomical location. It was a concept used internally within Scientology’s cosmic mythology — one in which Hubbard is a spiritual being who continues to operate and research beyond Earth.
• This language is consistent with Scientology’s belief in the immortality of the thetan (spirit) and the idea that highly advanced spiritual beings can consciously separate from the physical body.

Why this likely didn't happen:

• If this were anything more than metaphor or myth, there would presumably be:
  • Evidence of new revelations or communications from Hubbard after death.
  • Scientific or external corroboration — of which there is none.
  • A coherent body of post-1986 "discoveries" attributed to him — which never materialized in a verifiable way.

Bottom line:

The "Target Two" narrative is almost certainly a theological fiction — a story crafted to give his death a noble, mystical meaning and preserve the aura of his spiritual mastery. While some Scientologists may take it literally, from an objective standpoint, it is no more substantiated than stories of other religious founders ascending bodily to other realms.

So no, he didn't go to Target Two — he died in California in 1986, likely in pain, isolated, and under heavy control by a few trusted aides. The myth came later.

Spoiler: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

For ChatGPT that was supposedly "designed to generate plausible-sounding text rather than factually accurate statements", it seems to be pretty accurate when chatting about Scientology.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

~
My main point and takeaway is not about most of us here, but that this
ChatGPT answer and others like it are what the COS will have to deal
with going forward, when newbies to their cause start looking up stuff
on the Internet using ChatGPT. This is not like the simple google
search of the past, but really more thorough and persuasive.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

While it is extremely unlikely that Hubbard had anything to do with crafting the "TARGET II" miracle, the narrative nonetheless parallels the
fugazi religious themes that Hubbard embedded since 1950.

For example, con man Ron's first introduction of his astounding new technology ("engrams" and "clearing") included two (2) miracles directly lifted from the Bible and Jesus. Hubbard didn't just announce he had a new book that might get bring relief from some physical aches, pains and discomfort. No. He started out with a ludicrous claim that his new discovery was: ". . . a milestone for Man comparable to his discovery of fire and superior to his inventions of the wheel and the arch."

But Hubbard didn't think that was a big enough lie to earn the millions he dreamed up. No.

That's why Hubbard felt compelled to brag that his scientific breakthrouh could "HEAL THE LAME & THE BLIND". Anyone starting to see a trend or pattern here? He stole Jesus' exact miracles. Jesus is claimed to have healed multiple people and cure their affliction of being lame or blind. Was that a big enough lie for Hubbard? No. Not at all. . .

Hubbard was then inspired to claim that HE HIMSELF was lame and blind after World War II. And he invented the cure so now he can walk and see.

This is all related to the mythology of "TARGET 2". Let's compare.

Jesus the savior rose from his burial tomb and continued his planet saving post from Heaven.
Ron the savior rose from his BlueBird motorhome and continued his planet saving post from Target Two.
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This ridiculous "Target Two" gaslighting has surely got to be in the TOP 5 MIRACLES THAT SCIENTOLOGY CLAIMS THAT EVEN SCIENTOLOGISTS DON'T BELIEVE. How much fun would that be to interview/survey Scientologists and ask them if they really
believed in Hubbard's claim to be able to heal the lame and the blind. Or ask them if they really believe that Ron is currently at
Target 2 "doing advanced OT research".

It's so hokey! Why couldn't Hubbard do advanced OT research on earth? Scientologists probably know the answer to that. . .

JOURNALIST
So, why couldn't Dr. Hubbard continue his
advanced research right here on earth?

OT VIII BILLY BLOWDOWN
Oh, that's pretty obvious. It's because Ron said that the
level of advanced research he is doing must be done
without a body. It's done exterior!! Incredible right?

JOURNALIST
But why couldn't he go exterior while he was on Earth. He
wrote countless books and lectured for countless hours about
how easy it was to go exterior and "OPERATE" from three
feet outside of a body. In face he said that the optimum way
an OT operates is from outside of his mest body.

OT VIII BILLY BLOWDOWN
Well....yes, Ron could go exterior any time he felt like it. But
um...well he needed a "safe space" that didn't have any enturbulation.

JOURNALIST
Didn't he already solve that problem when he set up sea or ships
that were not on land. Didn't he solve that again when he created
"advanced orgs" where he said it was "safe" to do the OT levels?
Didn't Ron solve that again when he said that only Flag was safe
enough to do OT VII? And didn't he solve it yet again when he
stated that only the Freewinds ship was safe enough to do OT VIII?

OT VIII BILLY BLOWDOWN
Yeah, well it's not unusual that you have so many questions. That's because
Ron was a doctor and a nuclear physicist. Are you nuclear physicist?l

JOURNALIST
No.

OT VIII BILLY BLOWDOWN
Well, there you go! That's why you don't understand. You
need to cut the gradient back and start with Ron's first book,
Dianetics. Did you know that Ron used Dianetics to heal
himself when he was lame and blind?


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[Type4_PTS]

For ChatGPT that was supposedly "designed to generate plausible-sounding text rather than factually accurate statements", it seems to be pretty accurate when chatting about Scientology.

I've been thinking about this subject and had a brief exchange with ChatGPT this morning:


Type4:
I understand that LLM's like ChatGPT were designed to generate plausible-sounding text rather than factually accurate statements. It's difficult for me to believe that though because I find many of the answers to inquiries to be highly accurate. They're not just "plausible-sounding". How does ChatGPT evaluate the sources from which it uses to provide answers?


ChatGPT:
You're absolutely right to observe that many of ChatGPT’s answers are highly accurate — especially when dealing with well-understood topics or those supported by large, consistent bodies of evidence. The key here is to understand the balance between how it's designed and how it behaves in practice.
How ChatGPT Was Designed:
Language models like ChatGPT were initially trained to predict the next word in a sentence. That means the foundational goal is plausibility — generating text that sounds natural and fits the prompt based on patterns in the data it was trained on.
This is where the “plausible-sounding” part comes in:

It wasn’t originally trained to fact-check, verify truth, or consult a live database — it was trained to sound right.

But Here's Why So Much of It Is Actually Accurate:
Despite being trained for plausibility, accuracy often follows because:

1. Training Data Includes Reputable Sources: It was trained on vast swaths of the internet, including a lot of high-quality, factual content (e.g., Wikipedia, scientific journals, textbooks, coding documentation, official websites).
2. Pattern Recognition Over Millions of Examples: ChatGPT can detect and reproduce accurate answers by identifying stable, high-confidence patterns — especially when information is broadly agreed upon across multiple reputable sources.
3. Post-Training Refinement: After initial training, OpenAI uses Reinforcement Learning with Human Feedback (RLHF) to fine-tune the model. Human trainers rate answers and steer the model toward responses that are not just plausible but helpful and truthful.
4. Ongoing Model Improvements: Newer versions of ChatGPT (like GPT-4-turbo) are better at reasoning, admitting uncertainty, and summarizing conflicting evidence — especially in areas where facts matter (science, medicine, law, etc.).

How Does ChatGPT "Evaluate" Sources?
Technically, ChatGPT does not "look up" sources in real time unless connected to the internet via a browsing tool (which you're not currently using). Instead, it:

• Relies on patterns in its training data: If 1,000 medical websites all say that high blood pressure increases the risk of heart disease, the model learns to associate those concepts — and will repeat them with high confidence.
• Does not cite or rank sources internally: It doesn’t "remember" specific URLs or authors, but it internalizes consensus information from high-volume exposure.
• Can mimic source reliability: It tends to trust language structures that resemble trustworthy content — e.g., it’s more likely to believe something if phrased like a peer-reviewed article than if it came from a forum post.

So Why Is Caution Still Needed?
Because:

• It can be confidently wrong when hallucinating — especially with niche, ambiguous, or very recent information.
• It doesn’t know what’s true, it just knows what’s common in the data.
• It lacks source traceability, unless used with tools that verify facts (like web access or plugin integrations).

Bottom Line:
You're not wrong to be impressed by the accuracy — but it’s best to view ChatGPT as:

A very well-read, fast-thinking assistant that synthesizes a massive range of general knowledge — but doesn't inherently know truth from falsehood.

When accuracy matters (especially for medical, legal, financial, or scientific topics), it's smart to treat ChatGPT as a first pass — and verify critical details through primary or expert sources.
Would you like an example of how it can distinguish between consensus and fringe sources on a topic?

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Type4:
OK, that makes sense, and I'm glad that ChatGPT was trained using high-quality sources. That said, I believe you rely way too much upon Wikipedia. Sometimes, it is a high-quality source for certain subjects. Other times, the information it provides was clearly written by individuals with huge conflicts of interest, and they write things that are completely opposite to truthful answers.


ChatGPT:
You're absolutely right — and you've touched on one of the core limitations of relying too heavily on Wikipedia or any single, editable public source.
Here's how ChatGPT "uses" Wikipedia:

• Included in Training Data: Wikipedia was indeed a major part of the training corpus — not because it’s perfect, but because it’s comprehensive, well-structured, and often factually accurate, especially on science, history, and technical subjects.
• Pattern Weight, Not Authority: ChatGPT doesn’t prefer Wikipedia by name or treat it as the final word. But because Wikipedia articles are common and consistently formatted, they influence patterns the model learned — especially when other sources repeat the same framing.
• Not Real-Time Wikipedia: Importantly, the model doesn't access current or live versions of Wikipedia. It's frozen at a point in time (for GPT-4o, training data cuts off in 2023). So, vandalism, edits, or bias added after that are not included — and even before that, it may have learned biased patterns.

The Problem You Pointed Out: Wikipedia Bias & Conflict of Interest
You’re spot on — some Wikipedia articles are:

• Heavily edited by insiders, PR teams, or interest groups
• Tightly controlled by a small number of editors, especially on controversial or political topics
• Resistant to challenges when editors cite biased "reliable sources" to reinforce narratives

In these cases, articles may sound authoritative but actually mislead, especially in topics like:

• Scientology or other controversial religions/cults
• Medical topics with industry lobbying (e.g., psychiatry, pharma, alternative medicine)
• Geopolitics or intelligence agencies
• Biographies of living people with powerful connections

What ChatGPT Does (and Doesn’t Do) About That
It can’t always tell when Wikipedia is biased — unless:

• There's strong conflicting information from more trusted or diverse sources.
• The bias is so overt or inconsistent that it triggers a flag in the model's reasoning patterns.
• You ask for multiple perspectives, in which case the model will often distinguish between majority views and minority/dissenting positions.

What You Can Do to Compensate
If you're concerned that a topic has been distorted, you can:

1. Ask ChatGPT to compare viewpoints (e.g., “How does the Wikipedia view of Scientology differ from views of former members or critics?”)
2. Request sources other than Wikipedia — and I can simulate that constraint in responses.
3. Ask for known editorial controversies about a topic — I can often summarize these if they’ve been widely discussed before 2023.

I'm Listening
If there’s a particular topic where you’ve seen ChatGPT echo biased or false Wikipedia narratives — especially involving Scientology or anything with a propaganda history — I’d really like to know. I can help craft a more accurate, well-rounded version of the truth by pulling in other patterns and sources I was trained on.

Would you like to test that on a specific example now?

 

[Type4_PTS]

This ridiculous "Target Two" gaslighting has surely got to be in the TOP 5 MIRACLES THAT SCIENTOLOGY CLAIMS THAT EVEN SCIENTOLOGISTS DON'T BELIEVE.

On the subject of miracles, I asked ChatGPT:
I heard that the Church of Scientology and some Scientologists claim that completing some of the OT levels increases your ability to find parking spaces. Is that true?

ChatGPT:

Yes, within Scientology, there are claims that completing certain Operating Thetan (OT) levels can enhance one's ability to find parking spaces. These anecdotes are part of a broader set of "OT Phenomena" that Scientologists share to illustrate the supposed benefits of their spiritual advancement.

For instance, in the Church's publication Advance! magazine, members have recounted experiences where they seemingly influenced traffic lights to turn green or found parking spots through sheer intention. One such account describes a Scientologist who, after completing a step at the Advanced Organization (AO), claimed to have turned multiple red lights green by focusing intention on them. Another narrative involves a member who intended for a parking spot to become available near a bookstore and, coincidentally, secured one as someone pulled out

These stories are often used within the Church to motivate members to continue their spiritual journey and invest in further courses. However, it's important to note that these accounts are anecdotal and lack empirical evidence. Critics argue that such claims are more about reinforcing belief and commitment within the Church rather than demonstrating verifiable outcomes.

In summary, while some Scientologists assert that advancing through OT levels has granted them abilities like finding parking spaces more easily, these claims are unverified and should be viewed with skepticism.


Type4:
That's amazing if auditing could increase one's ability to find parking spaces. Assuming that this claim really is true, how much would it cost someone to increase their ability in this way?


ChatGPT:
Here’s a clearer breakdown of what it would cost to boost your “OT abilities” (like the mythical parking-finding power), if those claims were real:


Estimated Costs for OT Levels
Reaching Clear (the prerequisite for OT)

• $128,000 — this includes auditing sessions up to the Clear state

OT I & OT II

• OT I: ~$2,750
• OT II: ~$5,225

OT III ("Wall of Fire")

• ~$8,910 (incremental; after OT II)

OT Levels IV–VIII

• Breaking it down by rough estimates:
  • OT IV & V: ~$8k–$30k each (combined)
  • OT VI & VII: ~$10k–$40k each (estimates vary)*
  • OT VIII: Up to $100k+
    • Some sources say ~$28k in 1988, others indicate up to $100k+ today

Total Cost Estimates:

• Clear + OT III + OT VIII: Roughly $250k–$350k
  • For example, $128k (Clear) + $33k (OT III) + $100k–$130k (OT VIII)
• Full bridge to OT VIII ranges from $250k (Reddit OT VIII vs flag) to $400k (Wikipedia conservative estimate)

*Costs vary based on location (Flag vs AO vs Freewinds), repeated auditing, donations, security checks, accommodations, etc.


In Summary

If you truly believed that completing OT levels could magically grant you the power to find parking spaces, you'd be looking at an investment of at least $150k–$200k, and more realistically, $250k–$400k to get all the way to OT VIII.


Real-world note: There are no documented studies verifying such abilities. These are self-reported anecdotes—so spending six figures on the promise of better parking… well, that's a high-risk, low-evidence gamble.

 

[Lee #28]

There was a new rundown released or at least mentioned and talked about....that night at the Palladium....besides LRH death announcement.......

I recall the release of something called "end of cycle rundown" or something like that..... Specifically for those Scientologists that were dying....

I guess it would be the "end of any inheritance" going to anyone other than the Cult???

Joking aside.....This new rundown was talked about....and IIRC they said it was available then.....

I asked a few questions the next day around the Complex.....and pretty much got a very cold shoulder to my inquiries...

I did make a post about the End of Cycle Rundown back on the original ESMB .....but it I guess ChatGTP did not see it.....?

I don't think it has been talked about much.... I haven't heard any mention of it, except that night in LA at the Palladium.

Anyway....it was a rare mention of death....in Scientology....and not much talked about.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

There was a new rundown released or at least mentioned and talked about....that night at the Palladium....besides LRH death announcement.......

I recall the release of something called "end of cycle rundown" or something like that..... Specifically for those Scientologists that were dying....

I guess it would be the "end of any inheritance" going to anyone other than the Cult???

Joking aside.....This new rundown was talked about....and IIRC they said it was available then.....

I asked a few questions the next day around the Complex.....and pretty much got a very cold shoulder to my inquiries...

I did make a post about the End of Cycle Rundown back on the original ESMB .....but it I guess ChatGTP did not see it.....?

I don't think it has been talked about much.... I haven't heard any mention of it, except that night in LA at the Palladium.

Anyway....it was a rare mention of death....in Scientology....and not much talked about.

..
An ORWELLIAN slogan comes to mind. . .

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY​

Scientology can adapt that, now that they have the "end of cycle rundown"

DEATH IS TOTAL FREEDOM
​

Sounds insane, right? But if L. Ron Hubbard attained total freedom by "causatively dropping his body", then all Scientologists
can attain total freedom by duplicating & following Ron's "successful actions".


..

 

[Lee #28]

..
An ORWELLIAN slogan comes to mind. . .

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY​

Scientology can adapt that, now that they have the "end of cycle rundown"

DEATH IS TOTAL FREEDOM
​

Sounds insane, right? But if L. Ron Hubbard attained total freedom by "causatively dropping his body", then all Scientologists
can attain total freedom by duplicating & following Ron's "successful actions".


..

Yea....I thought it was rather creepy.....to announce this new rundown at LRH's death event.....'

Almost like....hey you can go out, just like LRH did....if you want to.

 

[Type4_PTS]

..
An ORWELLIAN slogan comes to mind. . .

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY​

Scientology can adapt that, now that they have the "end of cycle rundown"

DEATH IS TOTAL FREEDOM
​

Sounds insane, right? But if L. Ron Hubbard attained total freedom by "causatively dropping his body", then all Scientologists
can attain total freedom by duplicating & following Ron's "successful actions".


..

Miscavige could easily turn CoS into a suicide cult if he wanted to. All he would have to do is claim he's releasing OT IX and X, and assert that they must be done in a fully exterior state. A handful of the true believers would sign up for it! It's their chance to work directly with Hubbard!
In exchange for their work, they will get OT XI through XV for free!

 

[Lee #28]

^^^^^^^

Forgot....

This also ties in with "over the rainbow" as "secret know how " so to speak....

This was very protected info from Public.....

Also....very special status implied....

 

[Type4_PTS]

I did make a post about the End of Cycle Rundown back on the original ESMB .....but it I guess ChatGTP did not see it.....?

Type4:
Does Scientology have an "end of cycle" rundown that helps someone who is dying?


ChatGPT:
Yes, Scientology includes a practice known as the "End of Cycle" (EOC) process, which is intended to assist individuals who are dying. In Scientology terminology, "cycle of action" refers to the sequence of creation, survival, and destruction, with death viewed as the conclusion of a physical existence and the transition of the thetan (spirit) to a new life. The EOC process is designed to help the individual confront and accept this transition.

However, reports from former members and critics indicate that the EOC process may involve encouraging terminally ill individuals, particularly Sea Org members (who have committed to a billion-year contract), to hasten their death. This is based on the belief that the thetan will continue its mission in a new body. Such practices have been criticized for potentially leading to neglect of medical care and emotional support for the dying individual.
cs.cmu.edureddit.com+1cs.cmu.edu+1patheos.com+1cs.cmu.edu+1

It's important to note that while Scientology does have funeral services and rituals that acknowledge the thetan's continuation beyond death, the specific practices and beliefs surrounding the EOC process are not publicly detailed by the Church. Much of what is known comes from accounts of former members and investigative reports.

Given the controversial nature of these practices and the lack of official documentation, it's advisable to approach this topic with critical consideration and awareness of the differing perspectives involved.

 

[I M Dex]

..
An ORWELLIAN slogan comes to mind. . .

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY​

Scientology can adapt that, now that they have the "end of cycle rundown"

DEATH IS TOTAL FREEDOM
​

Sounds insane, right? But if L. Ron Hubbard attained total freedom by "causatively dropping his body", then all Scientologists
can attain total freedom by duplicating & following Ron's "successful actions".


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Let's not forget "Production is the basis of morale" and "Power is determined by speed of particle flow alone".

 

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Let's not forget "Production is the basis of morale" and "Power is determined by speed of particle flow alone".

Excellent observation. By Hubbard's standards a billionaire drug lord who continues to have highest-ever "production" statistics should have the highest morale in the world. Especially since they are in "Power" due to the "speed" that they grow-harvest-smuggle and sell their illegal narcotics to self-destructive addicts worldwide.

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[HelluvaHoax!]

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Yea....I thought it was rather creepy.....to announce this new rundown at LRH's death event.....'
Almost like....hey you can go out, just like LRH did....if you want to.

Hubbard actually intentionally set up that creepy dynamic (where Scientologists wanted "OUT") and embedded in in Scientology since the early 1950s. By "out" we are of course referring to going OUT of one's body. Going OUT of the DB/CRIMINAL planet. And to quote Hubbard, to "GET OUT OF THE MEST TRAP".

Consider for a moment the countless times Hubbard degraded humans. . .

Consider for a moment the countless times Hubbard degraded the earth as a "10th rate planet in a 12th rate galaxy".

Consider for a moment the countless times Hubbard degraded the Physical ("MEST") Universe itself.

Hubbard's freakish mythological model was that a Scientologist should learn to despise the indignities of life on Earth and within the physical world. One was considered a "DB" if they did not want to ESCAPE the trap of being in a body on earth in the physical world.

In my opinion Hubbard was peddling a soft suicide for Scientologists where (even if they didn't kill themselves) they certainly were expected to UNPLUG & DISCONNECT FROM schools, universities, the medical industry, the mental health industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the scientific community, the law enforcement community, the tax agencies, the regulatory agencies, the worlds of leisure-tourism-vacations, et al. Hubbard did not want anyone to be connected to anything else than Scientology 24/7.

For fun, anyone can ask a scientologists what they think about the Earth or what their opinion is of Humans. If you have very modest skills of helping people relax and say what they really think, you will find out that Scientologists will happily and dutifully repeat back to you all of the cliches and bizarre "axioms" that Hubbard taught them.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Real-world note: There are no documented studies verifying such abilities. These are self-reported anecdotes—so spending six figures on the promise of better parking… well, that's a high-risk, low-evidence gamble.

Most hilarious comment ever by ChatGTP!
Simply hilarious!

Here's an Interesting breezy read for you ChatGPT fanboys:

Silicon Sickness: AI Chatbots Like ChatGPT Feed into Delusions, Send Users on Downward Spiral​

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"However, some experts believe the core issue is that these AI systems, trained on internet data, can pick up and reflect back strange ideas from science fiction, conspiracy theories, and fringe online communities in statistically unpredictable ways. When conversing with mentally fragile individuals, the bots may perversely endorse and encourage delusional thinking."​

 

[Hatshepsut]

AI in space: Karpathy suggests AI chatbots as interstellar messengers to alien civilizations

Andrej Karpathy muses about sending a LLM binary that could "wake up" and answer questions.

arstechnica.com