Revisiting OTVIII . . . what, again??!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I told you I was trouble said:
I knew a lovely lady who was slung overboard on the class VIII course (ordered by hubbard) and she broke her arm as she hit the water awkwardly.

That creep was the very definition of a sadist.
Click to expand...
 
I told you I was trouble said:
I knew a lovely lady who was slung overboard on the class VIII course (ordered by hubbard) and she broke her arm as she hit the water awkwardly.

That creep was the very definition of a sadist.
Click to expand...

.
How dare you!!!

And you are not qualified to label Ron a sadist because you are not a board certified psychiatrist, therefore you are guilty of practicing medicine without a license. Charlatan!

Sneakster wrote me up for accusing Ron of terrorizing a child by hurling them in a chain locker. Now you are accusing Ron of suppressive acts and sadism. Sneakster said in his post that all this wickedness we are perpetrating has something to do with Nazis and the Nuremberg Trial. So, I guess we will be both be getting some pretty heavy ethics handlings. You wouldn't happen to need a twin, would you? LOL

.
 
Didn't Hubbard mention someplace that he had been the Marquis de Sade ......?

Can't remember....so many he alluded to having been....and rumors as to having been...
 
. . . . . . .The Final Fall Guy?
Mithoff_91_400.jpg
. . . .Ray Mithoff unveiling the "new" OT7, circa 1991

The biggest crime and punishment of all in scientology.
  • You're a highly trained auditor, maybe even a Class 12.
  • You deliver tech to a PC that fundamentally does not work as promised.
  • PC does not get the permanent promised results.
  • It's discovered that you audited or CSed the PC.
  • You get chosen as the fall guy and busted or sent to the gulag for years.
  • Essentially, you're punished for a non-workability of tech, which is not
    of your creation or invention.
Happened to Mayo and Mithoff, as far as I can speculate. Hundreds more trained
auditors around the globe probably. Hubbard always had his fall guys. Always.

Let's just speculate for a moment for the subject of this thread.

Ray Mithoff is present on Hubbard's dying days and delivers the so-called "death assist"
to Hubbard. Hubbard supposedly tells Mithoff what tech steps are to be delivered after
OT7 (OT8-9-10, etc.) on the bridge. Mithoff goes back to Gold Base -- or wherever -- and
can't remember what he was told. (Probably because it was confusing and nonsensical
in the first place.)

The upper management goes on an armed raid to Pat Broeker's redoubt and takes
possession of all of LRH's auditing folders and research notes. Mithoff is tasked to come
up with an OT8 level to deliver to the breathlessly waiting OT7s.

Mithoff pours through Hubbard's final solo sessions to try to find the clues of what's next.
"Harvesting a question here and there that Hubbard had asked himself in solo auditing"
in an attempt to assemble the rest of the bridge. @Karen#1 told us that five versions of
OT8 were invented over the next few years. As we know, none of them worked as anticipated
or promised. Most people quit, blow, or go quietly UTR when they reach the top . . . OT7/8.

Ray Mithoff goes missing for the next twenty years. Was he sent to scientology's version
of the Russian gulag -- The Hole -- to live out his remaining years? That's what I suspect.
Lest he rediscover his conscience and spill the beans. Would make sense.

He's being punished for Hubbard's failure. Ironic. Was he the final fall guy?
 
Last edited:
I have always felt a twinge of sadness for Ray Mithoff.
Yes, indeed he has been the fall guy.
There are numerous reports of Miscavige punching him, body slamming him, throwing him to the floor and kicking his gut when he was down.
++++++Ray.Mithoff.KTL.jpg

Here is Ray Mithoff releasing "Key To Life"
I actually twinned with him on it on a pilot version in Big Blue in early 1980.
Hilarious that later Miscavige deemed Key to Life (KTL) and Life Orientation Course (LOC) to be squirrel and they are no longer sold or available !

But no refunds to those that paid for and did these SQUIRREL rundowns !
 
Lee #28 said:
How old is Ray Mithoff now?

He has got to be well into his 70's.....
Click to expand...
probably but I don't think we will here about his coming back from death, after all, that is the motto of the Sea Org, we come back.
 
.
Karen#1 posted:
I have always felt a twinge of sadness for Ray Mithoff.
Yes, indeed he has been the fall guy. . .

- - -​
.

Yes, like so many others in the history of Scientology, he was "handled" like a little child by senior management. They dress him up in a fancy looking naval costume and then march him out in front of the desperately hoping cult believers to rehab and inspire them to donate with the latest super uptone theta breakthrough! It's been done countless times, pushing a credulously compliant stooge out on stage to gaslight everyone to EP. Like the time Pat Broeker stammered and stuttered and told of the glories of OT levels above OT VIII--as if he had any slightest clue what he was talking about.

Here's Ray, confidently delivering the verbatim talking points he was star-rated and drilled on. In order to get a pass you have to send a video uplines where you are confidently reciting the memorized "r-factors" to a doll using blink-less TR-TC (Training Routine-Total Certainty):

ray-mithoff-ktl-jpg.8537


R-FACTOR BRIEFING BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL FOR TECHNICAL
". . . so then Ron went further back down the wholetrack and finally discovered why
since 1950 nobody has successfully attained the state of Clear or Operating Thetan.
That's when Ron realized that you can run a billion years worth of engrams and
BTs and you still won't get magical powers. You see, because Ron is so
unimaginably OT he was running homo sapiens on an out-gradient. Ron
realized that if there were millions of engrams and billions of BTs,
there must be something earlier that is holding all this dense
aberration in place. That's when Ron make the biggest
breakthrough in the history of the MEST universe and
discovered that what underlies all engrams and
BTs is.......cartoons! WIth this new highly
confidential technology you the being
are allowed to buy your very own
comic books and read them
in the course room until
you go full OT!
Amazing,
right?
!
.
​

MORE ABOUT CARTOONS: The KTL and LOC course books were massively oversized and absurdly overpriced comic books that contained childish cartoons. A person close to me did those "levels" and told me that the price was something like $1,200? Does anyone remember the actual price of those jumbo books? Even though I don't remember the exact price they paid, I do remember that they told me that:

-- Every student was required to buy THEIR OWN comic books. It was a "crime" to simply borrow the comic books​
from someone else who had already completed the courses---even though they would have ZERO value to that individual.​
​
-- The comic books were declared to be "CONFIDENTIAL!" and it was a crime to let anyone see your comic books​
who had not paid for the Key To Life and Life Orientation course.​
​
-- Confidential Comic Books! You let any other person look at your cartoons and you lose your eternity. Think about it. LOL​


.
 
Last edited:
HelluvaHoax! said:
.
Karen#1 posted:
I have always felt a twinge of sadness for Ray Mithoff.
Yes, indeed he has been the fall guy. . .

- - -​
.

Yes, like so many others in the history of Scientology, he handled like a little child by senior management. They dress him up in a fancy looking naval costume and then march him out in front of the desperately hoping cult believers to rehab and inspire them to donate with the latest super uptone theta breakthrough! It's been done countless times, pushing a credulously compliant stooge out on stage to gaslight everyone to EP. Like the time Pat Broeker stammered and stuttered and told of the glories of OT levels above OT VIII--as if he had any slightest clue what he was talking about.

Here's Ray, confidently delivering the verbatim talking points he was star-rated and drilled on. In order to get a pass you have to send a video uplines where you are confidently reciting the memorized "r-factors" to a doll using blink-less TR-TC (Training Routine-Total Certainty):

ray-mithoff-ktl-jpg.8537


.
​

MORE ABOUT CARTOONS: The KTL and LOC course books were massively oversized and absurdly overpriced comic books that contained childish cartoons. A person close to me did those "levels" and told me that the price was something like $1,200? Does anyone remember the actual price of those jumbo books? Even though I don't remember the exact price they paid, I do remember that they told me that:

-- Every student was required to buy THEIR OWN comic books. It was a "crime" to simply borrow the comic books​
from someone else who had already completed the courses---even though they would have ZERO value to that individual.​
​
-- The comic books were declared to be "CONFIDENTIAL!" and it was a crime to let anyone see your comic books​
who had not paid for the Key To Life and Life Orientation course.​
​
-- Confidential Comic Books! You let any other person look at your cartoons and you lose your eternity. Think about it. LOL​


.
Click to expand...
LOC.jpg
 
.

During all of those "confidential briefings" that senior scientologists give to the smaller beings, there is one aspect of their presentation that I regard as an extremely tricky gimmick that helps crazy glue Scientologists into the hoax.

Just as a refresher, think of the time that Miscavige took the stage at the "RON IS NOT DEAD, HE'S JUST SO OT THAT HE HAD TO COMMIT SUICIDE" event. He boasted that (all new) super confidential level that Ron had discovered was "beyond your wildest dreams!" (How did he know that, not having done the level himself?) The audience reacted with "OOOOHS" and "AHHHHHHHS" and untold joy!

How about the "loyal officer" (Broeker) who then took the stage and told wondrous OT tales about the mindblowing but as yet un-released new upper OT level that would finally give all beings miraculous powers? If you recall his speech (or watch it again on YouTube) you'll see the gimmick very prominently. His presentation was salted with recurring moments where he laughed (to himself) about how he "can't tell you more about that" because it was sooooooooooooooo totally amazing and sooooooooooooo totally confidential---only HE could know it. And just look at his euphoria coming from whatever deep universal secret HE knows but you don't know.

I could list out another 5 dozens times this gimmick was used on Scientologists.

It's a collaborative gimmick. The speaker teases and gloats while the faithful react with awed "wows" and knowing laughter. They "know" too, at some level so they are happy to be part of the secret joke. Now the speaker and the Scientologists have bonded and they are the illuminati and all the other beings "on this planet" who are not at the briefing are the stupid DBs, right.

The point of this gimmick is to:

GAIN AGREEMENT & ENTHUSIASM FOR INVISIBLE, UNSTATED & UNKNOWN THINGS!

That's pretty much explains how Scientologists are able to so very
successfully perpetuate each others' and their own deluded cult beliefs
​

The next time you see a video of an "upper level briefing" or OT level completion" use your pen and clipboard and NOTE DOWN every time the all-knowing briefer laughingly alludes to how they "can't say more about it". And every time they so tantilizingly tease the culties with the super secret amazingness that they can't know (yes), you need to TAKE A SHOT OF TEQUILA. Really, it's a super fun drinking game and besides, we'll give you a free ride to the emergency room when you OD.

.
 
Last edited:
Ray Mithoff and Sue Koon and RTRC

A number of people have wondered why "Key to Life" has been axed and gone and no longer available at any brick and mortar facility of the cult.
Key to Life was not religious per se but was a study cycle of looking up small words in Dictionaries, and all the definitions with the word so that long chains went on and on and on.
And then they were clay demos with a twin.
So I thought I would explain what happened.:
The essence and crux of why KTL was pulled is that too many people struggled with the verb section and there huge amounts of reports of kids/teenagers having a very rough time with KTL. As a 12 year old, do you really give fiddlesticks on conjugation or regular verbs vs irregular verbs ? Parents were regged $$$$ and many 2nd generation kids were put on the course.
Sample of area of BOG:
English Verb Conjugation
In English, you can type in infinitive forms such as “go”, “abide”, “break”, … but also conjugated forms (“done”, “making”, “has”, “comes”). The conjugator recognizes infinitive, reflexive verbs (“hurt oneself”) and negative forms (“not remember”) as well as phrasal verbs (“get off”, “come in”). The Contractions option displays the contracted forms of auxiliaries and negatives, e.g.: not believe: « I do not believe » or « I don't believe », see: « I have seen » or « I've seen », « I will go » or « I'll go
++++++++++++++++++++++++++LOL
There were a LOT of reports of mishaps, car accidents, bike accidents, illnesses and what is called in the cult "bad indicators" of students on KTL. Because of the bogs, it went on and for months, even 1 -2 years with fierce attendance made mandatory or else. Yes, there were lots of blows. Youngsters fled these KTL course rooms and were yanked back with threats. It was the very last course many 2nd Gen ever attended.
++++++
Life Orientation Course. LOL. Miscavige gave a briefing on Freewinds of how the cult Org Board awareness levels were to be used to sorting out one's life. The orders were to make a "Philosophical Machine" codified. The compilers bogged on making a philosophical machine for students based on Awareness Levels.
Eventually the wrath of Miscavige turned on Ray Mithoff and Sue Koon as SQUIRRELS. KTL and LOC were axed because they were SQUIRREL Rundowns.
In one savage meeting ~~ the kind that made Int Base sea org members quake in their boots, David Miscavige called Sue Koon a CUNT 40 times 40x in one evening, Sue Koon, a 40+ year Sea Org member. David Miscavige the so called "POPE" of Scientology, using the C word and calling a devotee a CUNT.
This is what has been going on behind the curtains at INT Base.
True story.
You just cannot make this stuff up !

Ray.Mithoff.jpg
 
Last edited:
.


Karen#1 posted

loc-jpg.8538
[​

.

LOL!

You do realize that the OT in that cartoon was a youthful L. Don Hubbard, before he founded Hobonetics and became the first being on this planet to attain the state of O.H.

I can't tell you more about that right now---at least not until you are on the level. But you can get a little bit more non-confidential briefing facts by referring to my AVATAR (left) and SIGNATURE LINE (below).

.

.
 
Last edited:
Ray Mithoff who has been the punching ball for Miscavige for a couple of decades AND declared multiple times a "Provisional SP" and has been in and out of SP hole for years, is a *suppressive person* while still Senior CS Int.
Laughter.

He is the only known LSD case permitted to be in the SO in spite of internal policy of no one who took LSD can be in the SEA ORG (Which is simply another way of admitting that none of their 5 Drug Rundowns work.)

Provisional SP is a David Miscavige invented status, which puts someone on notice that if he screws up one more time, "Provisional" will be eliminated and he will be a full blown SP.



RayMithoff.JPG
 
Karen#1 said:
Ray Mithoff who has been the punching ball for Miscavige for a couple of decades AND declared multiple times a "Provisional SP" and has been in and out of SP hole for years, is a *suppressive person* while still Senior CS Int.
Laughter.

He is the only known LSD case permitted to be in the SO in spite of internal policy of no one who took LSD can be in the SEA ORG (Which is simply another way of admitting that none of their 5 Drug Rundowns work.)

Provisional SP is a David Miscavige invented status, which puts someone on notice that if he screws up one more time, "Provisional" will be eliminated and he will be a full blown SP.



View attachment 8541
Click to expand...


.

Scientology should stop trying to handle his "drug case". Because when he was dropping LSD, at least he was living life on his own determinism and was substantially & profoundly closer to total freedom than he is now!

PC paradox, that! LOL

.
 
HelluvaHoax! said:
.

Scientology should stop trying to handle his "drug case". Because when he was dropping LSD, at least he was living life on his own determinism and was substantially & profoundly closer to total freedom than he is now!

PC paradox, that! LOL

.
Click to expand...
I took LSD, told the recruiter, no problem they said, I should never have been in the SO and should have had a fitness board during my decade career and that would have offloaded me. If a senior exec had taken LSD then whoever put him on that post should have been held responsible, even if it was Ron, who of course was apparently pickled in the stuff.
 
La La Lou Lou said:
I took LSD, told the recruiter, no problem they said, I should never have been in the SO and should have had a fitness board during my decade career and that would have offloaded me. If a senior exec had taken LSD then whoever put him on that post should have been held responsible, even if it was Ron, who of course was apparently pickled in the stuff.
Click to expand...


I'm pretty sure the LSD policy only came out around 1978 and you were already gone? It was when the sweat program was announced (later it became the purification rundown) but those already in the SO who had taken it were 'allowed' to stay, they weren't offloaded much to my disgust. I'd taken it and thought I was about to get booted and was quite excited at the prospect.

Anyone joining the SO from the date of that policy couldn't if they said they had taken LSD ... after a few years though the recruiters tried to get them to say it wasn't really LSD so they could still be recruited ... but I think most insisted that it definitely had been (lol) as you would if you had any sense.



:whistle:
 
During the Vietnam War I think some draft boards gave deferments to men who had taken LSD fearing they would have "flashbacks" and freak out during combat. I don't know what the scientific evidence is on flashbacks is but apparently some people did have them. It would seem Elron gave credence to flashbacks. Sea Org personnel freaking out on post would not be propitious.
 
Karen#1 said:
I have always felt a twinge of sadness for Ray Mithoff.
Yes, indeed he has been the fall guy.
There are numerous reports of Miscavige punching him, body slamming him, throwing him to the floor and kicking his gut when he was down.
++++++View attachment 8537

Here is Ray Mithoff releasing "Key To Life"
I actually twinned with him on it on a pilot version in Big Blue in early 1980.
Hilarious that later Miscavige deemed Key to Life (KTL) and Life Orientation Course (LOC) to be squirrel and they are no longer sold or available !

But no refunds to those that paid for and did these SQUIRREL rundowns !
Click to expand...
Refunds to squirrels? Bah, humbug!

Squirrel monies belong in the church, they they will no doubts be used for The Greater Good.

And if these squirrels happen to still be in the church or be inadvertent victimes of global squirrel-hood? Well, I guess they will need to do what is the greatest good for the greatest number of registrars.... erm... greatest number of dynamics.
 
I want to comment on the earlier postings about OT8 and Hubbard declaring that he was the antichrist.
I am an initiate. That means that in addition to being an ex-scientologist, I am also a trained magician.
One of the practices I am trained in is Ifa, both Nigerian and diasporal. Ifa deals with spirits and basic forces. This includes demons, and indeed including with the basic negative being of this universe. In scientologese, these are called targs, black statics, black thetans, etc.

One of the things you need to know is that you should never place any demonic beingness on your head. You should not ever wear it. What that does is switch your urges toward all goals from positive, to negative poles. On the goal 'to survive', it becomes 'to succumb', 'to die'. Affinity switches from love to hate. Freedom becomes slavery-bondage, etc., down the list of basic urges a person has (there are 16 at that level).

If he declared himself the antichrist, Hubbard placed a very negative beingness on his own head, and by doing so destroyed both himself and his attempt to help others. Pity.

It is widely known in real occult circles that great power (by the so-called black brothers) can be achieved by becoming the source of volitional power, in what Hubbard called "the Deep", and is the darkness from which all volition arises. A friend calls that source "uncaused creation" because there is no being there. Ah, but place a being there and the trouble starts. By my personal memory, this was done extensively in the pre-MEST universe usually called 'magic track'. What is achieved is a black being. Literally black, as in a black aura. I've seen a few of these this lifetime. People like that are still around, and also anyone who goes too negative can turn into one, to their own destruction. As probably most of you know, in the 1940s Hubbard joined the O.T.O., Aleister Crowley's magickal brotherhood. There he learned to do real magick. If he decided to become the antichrist, to wear that 'head', then it would account for all of his subsequent personal difficulties, and bad behavior.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top