Leah Remini, Mike Rinder reunite for Scientology: Fair Game podcast

[ILove2Lurk]

Latest Fair Game podcast (#5) has been posted: History of Fair Game.

 

[ISNOINews]

Episode 5: The History of Fair Game.


Listen to the Scientology: Fair Game Episode - Episode 5: The History of Fair Game on iHeartRadio | iHeartRadio


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On the Fair Game Podcast website:

Scientology: Fair Game.

Scientology: Fair Game.

fairgamepodcast.com

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Mike Rinder's post with supporting documents:

Episode 5: The History of Fair Game


Episode 5: The History of Fair Game





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On Tony Ortega's website:

Leah Remini podcast: Scientology’s atrocious ‘Fair Game’ campaign against Mike Rinder


Leah Remini podcast: Scientology’s atrocious ‘Fair Game’ campaign against Mike Rinder | The Underground Bunker

 

[ISNOINews]

Episode 6: The Leader’s Father is Fair Gamed


Listen Free to Scientology: Fair Game on iHeartRadio Podcasts | iHeartRadio


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On the Fair Game Podcast website:

Scientology: Fair Game.

Scientology: Fair Game.

fairgamepodcast.com

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Mike Rinder's post with supporting documents:

Episode 6: The Leader’s Father is Fair Gamed


Episode 6: The Leader’s Father is Fair Gamed






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On Tony Ortega's website:

Leah Remini podcast: Scientology leader’s Fair Game campaign against his own father


Leah Remini podcast: Scientology leader’s Fair Game campaign against his own father | The Underground Bunker

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Episode #6 was a real barn-burner.

The Aftermath was just OK for me and watched all the seasons.
I wasn't really the audience for it.* The broad public at large was
and the show received Emmys to prove it.

I like the way this podcast is picking up steam and is getting better
each episode. I like this format much better, and I know eventually
they'll just have to dig deeper and deeper to keep coming up with
content each week. Well, sorta like peeling an onion.

I think there's gonna be some fantastic reveals about the nitty gritty
of it all, as the weeks go by. (I may sit down and write Leah and Mike
my list of 50 questions "inquiring minds want to know" about.)

Maybe the podcast will assuage @Karakorum too about Mike Rinder's
past and his daily activities as an OSA. Regardless, this is gonna be fun.

I sure wish Bill Franks was still around. We lost him too soon. He
would have been quite an interview for Mike and Leah. He saw
a helluva lot during his his tenure and was there for the rise of DM
and helped nail Mary Sue Hubbard. He admited as much in his interviews.

Last episode was the best yet. I'm liking where this is going. It's gonna
leave a mark and gonna create an unstoppable tsunami over time.

Again, the COS and SO have NO ONE who will ever be able to speak
in public and rebut any of these reveals. They're f*cked in this era
of pushing narratives and live interviews. Those who have the courage
to step up the the mic and speak, win.

The COS has no one who can parry or counter-punch. It's over for them.




* The interview with Churchill was my favorite moment of The Aftermath
series. I will never ever forget it. Stunning heart was shown to the world.

 

[ISNOINews]

Episode 7: Emmy and Oscar Winner Alex Gibney


Listen Free to Scientology: Fair Game on iHeartRadio Podcasts | iHeartRadio


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On the Fair Game Podcast website:

Scientology: Fair Game.

Scientology: Fair Game.

fairgamepodcast.com

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Mike Rinder's post with supporting documents:

Episode 7: Emmy and Oscar Winner Alex Gibney

Episode 7: Emmy and Oscar Winner Alex Gibney

www.mikerindersblog.org

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On Tony Ortega's website, second story:

Leah Remini podcast: The fair gaming of Alex Gibney


All of former Scientology mouthpiece Tommy Davis’s appearances in ‘Melania and Me’ | The Underground Bunker

 

[ISNOINews]

Episode 8: Fair Gaming the Scientology President’s Ex-wife


Listen Free to Scientology: Fair Game on iHeartRadio Podcasts | iHeartRadio


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On the Fair Game Podcast website:

Scientology: Fair Game.

Scientology: Fair Game.

fairgamepodcast.com

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Mike Rinder's post with supporting documents:

Episode 8: Fair Gaming Scientology President’s ex-Wife


Episode 8: Fair Gaming Scientology President’s ex-Wife





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On Tony Ortega's website, second story:

Leah Remini podcast: The fair gaming of Karen de la Carriere


Scientologist chiro Nobbe: There’s an innocent explanation, judge. Prosecutors: No there isn’t. | The Underground Bunker

 

[ISNOINews]

Episode 9: Author of “Fair Game”, Australian Investigative Journalist Steve Cannane

Listen Free to Scientology: Fair Game on iHeartRadio Podcasts | iHeartRadio


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On the Fair Game Podcast website:

Scientology: Fair Game.

Scientology: Fair Game.

fairgamepodcast.com

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Mike Rinder's post with supporting documents:

Episode 9: Steve Cannane

Episode 9: Steve Cannane

www.mikerindersblog.org

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On Tony Ortega's website, second story:

Leah Remini podcast: The fair gaming of Steve Cannane


VIDEO: See Danny Masterson’s initial court appearance on rape charges | The Underground Bunker

 

[ISNOINews]

Scientology Fair Game Podcast Questions

Scientology Fair Game Podcast Questions





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Leah had a wonderful idea.

We are going to do an episode of the Fair Game Podcast where we respond to listeners questions.

There have already been a number of them here, on the website and social media, but if you have a question you would like us to answer, please include it in the comments.

We will try to get to as many of them as we can.

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[ILove2Lurk]

"We are going to do an episode of the Fair Game Podcast
where we respond to listeners questions."

@Karakorum, here's your chance to offer up some questions about
your curiosity re: Julian and COS coverups about pedophilia and other
terrible crimes. Mike Rinder is soliciting questions for future episodes
of his podcast.

Go for it . . . or forever hold your peace. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Karakorum]

"We are going to do an episode of the Fair Game Podcast
where we respond to listeners questions."

@Karakorum, here's your chance to offer up some questions about
your curiosity re: Julian and COS coverups about pedophilia and other
terrible crimes. Mike Rinder is soliciting questions for future episodes
of his podcast.

Go for it . . . or forever hold your peace. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't want to do it late at night when I'm angry. I'm sure as hell gonna post some questions tomorrow though.

I will certainly want to hear more about the OSA attacks on people opposing abortions, or the women who were forced into abortions and then wanted to speak out.

I want to know about pedophilia, including the alleged cases in the cadet org and the ranch. Did Mike or other OSA officials get reports on these and what was being done to stop it, what was being done to cover it up, was it reported now to the police.

I want to know who was tasked with making transcripts of those old taped confessionals - was it people on the RPF or on one of the closed bases like Trementina?

I want to know about Julian, how come he got to run the show on those sticky LA cases going out of the chain of command and why did OSA chose him as their dirty work guy.

I want to know about Julia Delderfield, Bettina Henderson, Marion Pouw and Astra Croft - what happened, what got them locked in the hole, what was done to them.

I want to know more what was Old man Kevenaar's role with OSA and the coverups in specific.

 

[Karakorum]

"We are going to do an episode of the Fair Game Podcast
where we respond to listeners questions."

@Karakorum, here's your chance to offer up some questions

Addendum:

I've posted my questions to Mike's blog. I stopped at 13, I think its a good luck number and the post was becoming a very long-ass one. It is awaiting moderation, but if I posted that stuff tehre I might as well quote it here:



"Hi Mike, Hi Leah,

Thank you for making the podcast and also for allowing us to post questions. I think these are both great decisions, I was certainly waiting for something like this and I think I am not the only one.
My questions will be mostly related to OSA and SO management issues/operations/people, so I think it would be Mike who has the knowledge to answer them, but if you Leah have anything to add then please be my guest

1. Let me start with the “heavy” issues. Could you please talk about abortions in the SO (I think that topic alone deserves at least one full podcast dedicated to it) and the women forced or pressured to have them?
– Can you tell us how OSA involved with “handling” those women and their husbands who did not want to comply?
– Was there any women who left the SO and then had to be silenced by OSA actions or fair gaming in order to prevent them from speaking out? If so, can you please tell us what OSA or legal actions were taken against them? Did Mike have to deal with any of these personally?
– Can you tell us about internal opposition to abortions? I know that there were auditors and even MAAs who who used Hubbard’s statements from “Dianetics” to oppose abortions and attacks on pregnant women in general. Was there any OSA operation aimed at these internal critics? Can you tell us something about the disciplinary actions taken to crush this movement?
– Were the abortions favored by and ordered directly by Miscavige, or was this an initiative honestly backed by other people down the chain of command? Can you tell us more about the role of CMO and RTC in this? Was there any internal discussions or dissent on these issues in the CMO, int management or OSA itself?

2. Can you tell us about the instances of pedophilia that became known to OSA?
– Roughly how many cases like that were being assigned and investigated by OSA?
– Did the offenders have to go through the regular justice steps, or was this handled in some more covert “special” way? Was there some sort of special team or group of OSA members directed to handle these?
– Can you tell us more about the later fates of the offenders? Did the CoS send them to some remote location, or were they generally “left alone” and remained in places where they would have further contact with children?
– Can you tell us if any of the victims wanted to speak out or contact the police? Was there any concerted OSA operation to silence them?
– Did any victims after leaving the CoS threaten to report these instances to the police? If yes, then what was the church reaction? Was there any fair game or OSA operations against them? Were any paid off or forced into silence with legal threats?

3. A followup question to the above, but about instances of rape instead of Pedophilia. Did you Mike know about any and if yes, what OSA actions were taken to silence the victims? What was done to the offenders?

4. I was familiar with Julian Swartz and his role as an MAA, but only after seeing Aaron Smith-Levin’s videos did I learn that he allegedly played some key role dealing with these heavy out-PR cases like rape and pedophilia. Can you tell us more about this? Was Julian in some way the preferred go-to-man for OSA when it came to PAC? What made him different from other MAA and ethics people in WUS? Was caused him of all people to get involved in these matters? Was it a case of him simply being on post in the wrong place at the wrong time? Or did OSA/Co$ have some dirt or compromats against Julian and thus knew they can task him with these heavy out-PR cases knowing that he will not be able to speak out or resist? Was Julian being in some way forced, threatened or blackmailed?

5. Can you tell us more about the role of Fritz Kevenaar in OSA operations? Was he involved with the threats/fair game/coverup operations and if yes then what was his role?

6. A more specific archives related question. Do you know who was tasked with making transcripts of those old 70s/80s taped confessionals? Whenever I asked about it, I got the sort of: “You don’ want to know” type of replies. Were these transcripts made by the RPF or by some special team at Gold or other closed bases? Or was it really nothing special at all?

7. Speaking about Gold and the Hole prisoners… can you tell us more about Julia Delderfield, Bettina Henderson, Marion Pouw, Abby Miller and Astra Croft? What exactly happened that got them locked in there? Were hey just part of some wider purge, or was this in some way connected to CMO and ethics in specific? How come Julia, who was in theory supposed to run ethics there, got locked in the hole herself? How were the CMO people treated by other prisoners in the hole? Did they get more punishment than others?

8. Can you tell us more about the way Bill Kilpatrick and Susan Devlin were handled? What had triggered that reaction, was it something that reached Dave himself? What was OSA’s role in this? Was Greg Maher in his role as director of I&R involved and if yes, then how? Was Greg, like Julian, in some way a regular “go-to-person” for OSA?

9. I’d like to hear more about Co$ (and OSA in specific) interactions with LAPD. Did this come up in any local cases of pedophilia and other abuses? How was LAPD infiltrated by OSA and what was Mike’s role in that? What exactly was “operation Humber” about? Did OSA or OSA legal ever had to take steps against individual LAPD officers? Were any of them threatened/smeared/silenced/paid off? Were the families or friends of LAPD officers threatened/pressured/lied to/influenced?

10. OSA archives. Can you tell us more about that? Did OSA keep files on individuals that were separate from the general ethics folders? If yes, how was the OSA archive different? Or did OSA just keep simple copies with no difference in content? Was there a separate archive for OSA legal documentation? Where were the OSA archives stored? Did OSA have special people to handle them, or did they use the services of the regular scanning team etc?

11. Mike, was there any real possibility of a plot to depose Miscavige in an internal coup? Did anyone in OSA contemplate this? Did you contemplate it? Was OSA ever tasked to investigate anyone else because they were accused of planning a coup? Was CMO, Inv, FinPo, Gold security or other enforcement “agencies” ever suspected of planning such a coup?

12. Can you tell us more about the untimely death of Stacy Moxon-Meyer? Was there any sort of OSA investigation into it? Was the exact cause and manner of death established? Was there suspicions of murder or suicide and if yes was there any evidence behind that? Was OSA forced into some sort of coverup/silencing action as a result? How did Kendrick take these news? Did he cause any trouble or threaten to cause trouble for the church because of this?

13. As a followup to the question above – can you tell us more about the way OSA was involved with investigating workplace accidents, suicides and other “unusual deaths” inside the Co$? Or was it always just left up to ethics etc?

Thank you again for allowing us to post questions. I apologize for the amount and scope of these, but some of these issues stuck with me for a long time and I think Mike might be the only person outside of Co$ that can answer some of these in an extensive manner."




... honestly, if I had not yet pissed people off with my ex-scn internet activities so far, this will probably change it.

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Let me start with the “heavy” issues.

It was ALL "heavy," LOL.

Spoken like a real legal-eagle interrogator.
I had trouble reading it, it was so heavy.

I didn't know if you had the balls to do it. You did.
Let's just see if Mike respond to any of these Qs.
Way past my pay grade. I was just a public person.

 

[Karakorum]

It was ALL "heavy," LOL.

Spoken like a real legal-eagle interrogator.
I had trouble reading it, it was so heavy.

I didn't know if you had the balls to do it. You did.
Let's just see if Mike respond to any of these Qs.
Way past my pay grade. I was just a public person.

Well, a lot of other people posted questions of all sorts, so I think the overall reaction was a great success in terms of the podcast.

As for me, some of my questions are on the more esoteric side, but I reckon someone should ask them. Heck, with a few it might be that I'm the only person outside of Co$ that was able to ask them and Mike is the only person outside Co$ that can answer.

 

[ISNOINews]

Leah Remini and Mike Rinder have signed on to do more episodes of their podcast for iHeart podcasts.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1309185092984606720

 

[ILove2Lurk]

Can you tell us about the instances of pedophilia that became known to OSA?

Thanks for writing some questions for Mike and Leah. I read all the questions. I haven't see an
interrogation that heavy since I watched a documentary on the Nuremberg Trials. Jesus god!

So much about pedophilia. Why so much about pedophilia? Probably only one person in a million
would care to hear about something like that. Literally. I'd tune out. Most people would.

You're the first person that's ever been on this board who's so fixated on Julian and pedophilia
cover-ups, which you've mentioned many times on this MB and the other one. What gives? Really!

The point of the Fair Game podcast is not to ask Mike and Leah questions that will produce fodder
for the Mike and Leah COS bought-and-paid-for hate pages, which many of your questions would do,
but to try to end the financial fraud DM and the COS are committing on people. It is such a sad thing to
watch go on, especially for those of us who paid a lot of money in, wasted the best years of our
lives, and found out no one gets OT powers or immortality. But simply passes away like everyone
else, never to return -- "per confessional folder inspection," LOL. Hubbard included.

We are trying to save some folks some money so they don't end up 70-80 years old, broke, depressed
and regretful. That is a very tough spot to be in.

We are not here to burn Mike Rinder alive at the stake at this point, like they did during the Inquisitions.

He'll reveal what he can reveal without putting himself in legal jeopardy and getting locked up. Imperfect
as he is, we need him out there talking and taking the heat. I sure don't want to do it and I know neither do
you.

Wake up man. Join the cause.

I apologize for the amount and scope of these, but some of these issues stuck with me for a long time and
I think Mike might be the only person outside of Co$ that can answer some of these in an extensive manner.

Wow, all I can say is you must have been involved in some deep, dark sh*t . . . and I feel for you. Like you say here,
these experiences left their permanent marks. You'll just have to stop dwelling on these things. It's like having
been in the war. At a certain point, you have to just put it behind.

Our friend Alanzo is one person who could not put it behind him. He went mad -- or something. It's not very pretty.

Your family got you in early and that is tragic.

I made a post about the writings of "cowboy," who got in because of his family when he was 12. You should
check out his writing of working with Hubbard. That's why we're here . . . to expose the fraud of Hubbard and
then to expose how Miscavige has taken the fraud -- knowingly -- as his own, and multiplied it into $3 billion
financial empire.

Some people might come by here, read these posts, get enlightened, and save themselves a ton of money
and family grief. Recoup their lives before it's too late.

Learning about Julian and pedophilla ain't gonna do a thing for them. No one cares. No one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[ILove2Lurk]

New Fair Game Podcast #10 is available to stream or download!

Finished it
Very intriguing story. Attorney Ray Jeffrey ties it up rather well at the very end.

So does Mike for his part in the story.

As I pointed out in my previous post, sometimes life is pretty imperfect,
and . . . "At a certain point, you have to just put it behind." ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Karakorum]

Thanks for writing some questions for Mike and Leah. I read all the questions. I haven't see an
interrogation that heavy since I watched a documentary on the Nuremberg Trials. Jesus god!

So much about pedophilia. Why so much about pedophilia? Probably only one person in a million
would care to hear about something like that. Literally. I'd tune out. Most people would.

You're the first person that's ever been on this board who's so fixated on Julian and pedophilia
cover-ups, which you've mentioned many times on this MB and the other one. What gives? Really!

The root reason behind those LA pedophilia issues is the video above. I trust Aaron, I know him from back when he was inside. I have no reason to believe he is making things up. He also made me realize that my notions of "knowing all there was to know about ethics misconduct in WUS" were false there was more going on.

The point of the Fair Game podcast is not to ask Mike and Leah questions that will produce fodder
for the Mike and Leah COS bought-and-paid-for hate pages, which many of your questions would do <snip>

Please feel free to enumerate all the questions that you find questionable and tell me why this is so. I believe that when the "church" is involved in serious crimes like covering up pedophilia, rape, or infiltrating/intimidating LAPD, etc. this should be talked about. I myself want to know what was going on.

None of them are a "Haha I know the answer and want to see if Mike and Leah answer correctly" trick questions. It is either:
- something I learned of from others (like from Aaron's vid) and want to know more
- Or its something I bumped into back in the SO (like Operation Humber), but was never able to find out what was that all about.

but to try to end the financial fraud DM and the COS are committing on people. It is such a sad thing to
watch go on, especially for those of us who paid a lot of money in, wasted the best years of our
lives, and found out no one gets OT powers or immortality.

I believe illegal activity by the Co$ is one of their problems that is most likely to get them in real trouble and have their status revoked.

I do not think many outside the church will care if OT powers work or not or if members are paying money for weird metaphysical stuff. Other more legit religions do it too, the government will not care. "The catholic priest blessed my car, but I still had a motor accident" - that sort of stuff is not really big news for most people.

We are trying to save some folks some money so they don't end up 70-80 years old, broke, depressed and regretful. That is a very tough spot to be in. (...)
Learning about Julian and pedophilia ain't gonna do a thing for them. No one cares. No one. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I guess here is where we disagree most vividly.

I want the abuses to end, including the financial abuse. But to me, selling OT levels for a lot of money or shaking down whales for IAS donations are one of the least serious problems of the Co$.

Abortions, fair game, blackmail via ethics folder, sharing people's intimate confessions with dozens of other people, child abuse, undue influence, RPF, human trafficking in the SO, disconnection, bribery and infiltration of police, IRS and other institutions, covering up workplace accidents and suicides - for me those are the biggest issues. That's what I care about most.

I understand your views and priorities are different. I respect your opinions, but I do not share them.

Wake up man. Join the cause.

My 'cause' (for a lack of a better term) is to have the abuses in the CoS to end and have all the SO members be really free to stay or leave whenever they want.

Once the abuses end, I couldn't care less if scn disbands itself or continues on as some sort of "benign ufo cult".

We are not here to burn Mike Rinder alive at the stake at this point, like they did during the Inquisitions.

To be an inquisitor, one needs to be in a position of power over the other person. This is not the case here - Mike is in a position of power, not me. He gets to decide if he wants questions or not and which questions to choose. All I can do is present mine and that's the extent of my "inquisitorial" powers.

I asked those that mattered to me, as well as some things I was just curious about (archive related stuff). It is up to Mike and Leah which questions they want to answer. If they don't like my questions, they can just ignore them and go answer other people's questions.

Wow, all I can say is you must have been involved in some deep, dark sh*t . . . and I feel for you. Like you say here, these experiences left their permanent marks. You'll just have to stop dwelling on these things. It's like having been in the war. At a certain point, you have to just put it behind.

I've done just that for over a decade. Up till the spring of 2019, I wasn't looking for anything scn-related (in fact, I actively avoided it), was not posting online on any scn related forum, YT channel, mailing list or anything.
Any moment I can go back to that state. Log out of the forum, unsubscribe from Chris Shelton on YT and never come back.

That's one of the reasons I left the cult: I realized none of what I'm doing has any impact, nothing will ever change or improve, everything I do or suggest was pointless.

If I start to feel again like everything I do in the ex-scn community is pointless and none of my actions have any impact, I will stop and you guys will never hear from me again. I'm not in that headspace though. I feel I may have some tidbits of ethics info that people still find interesting or useful, if nothing else.

I made a post about the writings of "cowboy," who got in because of his family when he was 12. You should check out his writing of working with Hubbard. That's why we're here . . . to expose the fraud of Hubbard and then to expose how Miscavige has taken the fraud -- knowingly -- as his own, and multiplied it into $3 billion financial empire.

Agreed, though for me money is not the only or main area of concern.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

The root reason behind those LA pedophilia issues is the video above. I trust Aaron, I know him from back when he was inside. I have no reason to believe he is making things up. He also made me realize that my notions of "knowing all there was to know about ethics misconduct in WUS" were false there was more going on.


Please feel free to enumerate all the questions that you find questionable and tell me why this is so. I believe that when the "church" is involved in serious crimes like covering up pedophilia, rape, or infiltrating/intimidating LAPD, etc. this should be talked about. I myself want to know what was going on.

None of them are a "Haha I know the answer and want to see if Mike and Leah answer correctly" trick questions. It is either:
- something I learned of from others (like from Aaron's vid) and want to know more
- Or its something I bumped into back in the SO (like Operation Humber), but was never found out all what was that about.


I believe illegal activity by the Co$ is one of their problems that is most likely to get them in real trouble and have their status revoked.

I do not think many outside the church will care if OT powers work or not or if members are paying money for weird metaphysical stuff. Other more legit religions do it too, the government will not care. "The catholic priest blessed my car, but I still had a motor accident" - that sort of stuff is not really big news for most people.


I guess here is where we disagree most vividly.

I want the abuses to end, including the financial abuse. But to me, selling OT levels for a lot of money or shaking down whales for IAS donations are one of the least serious problems of the Co$.

Abortions, fair game, blackmail via ethics folder, sharing people's intimate confessions with dozens of other people, child abuse, undue influence, RPF, human trafficking in the SO, disconnection, bribery and infiltration of police, IRS and other institutions, covering up workplace accidents and suicides - for me those are the biggest issues. That's what I care about most.

I understand your views and priorities are different. I respect your opinions, but I do not share them.


My 'cause' (for a lack of a better term) is to have the abuses in the CoS to end and have all the SO members be really free to stay or leave whenever they want.

Once the abuses end, I couldn't care less if scn disbands itself or continues on as some sort of "benign ufo cult".


To be an inquisitor, one needs to be in a position of power over the other person. This is not the case here - Mike is in a position of power, not me. He gets to decide if he wants questions or not and which questions to choose. All I can do is present mine and that's the extent of my "inquisitorial" powers.

I asked those that mattered to me, as well as some things I was just curious about (archive related stuff). It is up to Mike and Leah which questions they want to answer. If they don't like my questions, they can just ignore them and go answer other people's questions.


I've done just that for over a decade. Up till the spring of 2019, I wasn't looking for anything scn-related (in fact, I actively avoided it), was not posting online on any scn related forum, YT channel, mailing list or anything.
Any moment I can go back to that state. Log out of the forum, unsubscribe from Chris Shelton on YT and never come back.

That's one of the reasons I left the cult: I realized none of what I'm doing has any impact, nothing will ever change or improve, everything I do or suggest was pointless.

If I start to feel again like everything I do in the ex-scn community is pointless and none of my actions have any impact, I will stop and you guys will never hear from me again. I'm not in that headspace though. I feel I may have some tidbits of ethics info that people still find interesting or useful, if nothing else.


Agreed, though for me money is not the only or main area of concern.

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If you really wanted to "help" as you claim, you would have offered your support and volunteered assistance to Mike and Leah and the Aftermath Fdn. But you took a dramatically different approach.

You took the altitude and position that you are an INVESTIGATOR. Same hideous post L. Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige gave you in the Sea Org. And you are an ETHICS investigator and you are still using Hubbard's "gradients of ethics" which includes a bunch of trash-talking dead-agenting crap.

Instead of offering Mike, Leah and their Foundation HELP, you chose to run innuendo campaigns against Mike with quite a vast number of INNUENDOES and "WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES?!" processes. You had no information, just nasty accusations. Unfounded ones.

You ran a critical campaign against Leah also. You claimed that her appearances as a whistleblower on hugely successful TV shows and Podcasts was actually harming Scientologists and Scientology staff members. Which team are you on exactly?

Your approach to both Mike and Leah was decidedly very unfriendly. I'd call it hostile.

Now you unload a Joburg sec check on them and expect what? That you are a trusted friend they want to share information with?

Sea Org "investigators" and "Ethics Officers" can get away with a boatload of nasty and repulsive behavior because they have a 3 billion dollar criminal cult behind them. But out here in the real world, you don't have any authority or "ethics presence" to be investigating anyone.

You can politely ask people anything you want, but if you come across as a world class unfriendly jerk, why would you expect them to suddenly like you enough to open up. You are possibly blind to the fact that you are doing THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what a person would do if they really wanted to learn new information and help out.

If you really want to do something to help the brilliant whistleblowers Mike Rinder and Leah Remini, I suggest you lose the "unreasonable investigator and ethics slammer" hat.

Why the hell do you think you have been "investigating" these things for a decade without anyone giving you the time of day?

Maybe you should stop accusing people of things you know nothing about. Maybe you should stop harshly criticizing two of the most beloved and successful whistleblowers in the cult's history. You act like they don't come up to "your standards" but you haven't done even 0.0000000000001% as much effective whistleblowing as either Mike or Leah. Yet you lecture and reprimand them on what they are doing wrong? LOL

So perhaps a bit of humility and appreciation would be a good idea.

But you won't read this because you don't allow others to disagree with your "investigations". That's why you had to block my posts. I couldn't care less that you don't see them, but that doesn't stop me from calling you out for going after whistleblowers, instead of helping them.

If you happen to read this, you can ask yourself why it is that the only person around who really likes your crusade vs. Mike and Leah is Alanzo. Ever wonder why that is?
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Episode 10: Attorney Ray Jeffrey Taking on Scientology in the Courtroom


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On the Fair Game Podcast website:

Scientology: Fair Game.

Scientology: Fair Game.

fairgamepodcast.com

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Mike Rinder's post with supporting documents:

Episode 10: Attorney Ray Jeffrey


Episode 10: Attorney Ray Jeffrey





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On Tony Ortega's website:

Leah Remini podcast: Attorney Ray Jeffrey on Marty Rathbun’s betrayal


Leah Remini podcast: Attorney Ray Jeffrey on Marty Rathbun’s betrayal | The Underground Bunker

 

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Episode 11: “The Vow’s” Mark Vicente


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On the Fair Game Podcast website:

Scientology: Fair Game.

Scientology: Fair Game.

fairgamepodcast.com

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Mike Rinder's post:

Episode 11: “The Vow’s” Mark Vicente


Episode 11: “The Vow’s” Mark Vicente






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On Tony Ortega's website:

Leah Remini podcast: Mark Vicente (Third item).


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